RE: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid treeless saddle
That is funny. I am in love with the trail model Judy let me try. Carla has a cool one that is Western. The western ones are the only ones I haven't tried, but I suspect they would sit a lot like the Hybrids. (Heck, compared to most saddles, I think all of my Sensations feel a good bit alike.) I think I know the saddle you tried - I think it was probably the first Sensation English Trail model I bought. I sold it to Judy when I bought one of the Hybrids. We still have one English Trail model - it's my husband's favorite. I usually ride in the dressage model or in one of the Hybrids, but there's not a LOT of difference in comfort to me. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1181 - Release Date: 12/11/2007 5:05 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid treeless saddle
I'm new to the group, and looking for a saddle to fit my Icelandic gelding. Any feedback from the group on Sensation treeless saddles? Thanks, Hi Dorothy, and welcome to the list. Was it you who asked about the durability of the Sensations on the treeless list? I got my first one about four years ago I think it was, and they've become our favorites. All of my horses do well in them - doesn't mean that EVERY Icelandic will do well with them, but a lot do. I sold my first couple to upgrade to newer models, but they seem to hold up well. And, they have a neat modular design - you can replace the felt inner panels or the seats independently, should you ever have any wear and you sure can't do that with many saddles. We currently have five - two Hybrids, one dressage and one English trail. I've never met a Sensation that I didn't like. :) Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid treeless saddle
I've never met a Sensation that I didn't like. :) That is funny. I am in love with the trail model Judy let me try. Carla has a cool one that is Western. Lorraine Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid treeless saddle
Any feedback from the group on Sensation treeless saddles? Hi Dorothy...welcome to the list!! Please tell us more about your IcePony and send photos. We're in WI..where are you located? I have a Sensation saddle as my backup saddle for Huginn. My primary saddle is a Reactor Panel Endurance Saddle. I think you will find many owners on this list that do use the Sensation Saddle as their primary saddle. Enjoy the listlots of fun folks here. ;8] Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid treeless saddle
gelding. Any feedback from the group on Sensation treeless saddles? There are several pictures here: http://iceryder.net/sensation.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
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gelding. Any feedback from the group on Sensation treeless saddles? I would love one like the one you brought for me to ride.Carla has a western Sensation that is nice. Lorraine Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
RE: [IceHorses] sensation hybrid ? for Karen
Hello Karen, Why do you think the hybrid does not work as well on Melnir? Is he built a lot different from your other horses, shorter back?? Renee He's built differently. First, he's smaller, but what I suspect is the bigger issue is that he has pretty laid-back shoulders - not upright, but angled back. He also has a rather long humerus bone, one that is more parallel to the ground as opposed to some of the more show-type Icelandic's. For instance, I'd count Runa as my most show-type Icelandic. She has a rather upright shoulder with more sloped angle to her humerus. In other words, Runa has the conformation for nice gait in her rear end, but her front end conformation makes it easy for her to do a true rack, with some lift and fold to her front legs. Melnir is more of a long, flat mover - he's built to foxtrot and/or runwalk, although he can saddle rack. All that said, I CAN use a Hybrid on Melnir. It was really the 17 Torsion that didn't work well on him - it walked back on him. My particular Hybrids are the extended seat models, so I suspect the shorter, standard seat versions would be fine. My Hybrids will work, with a breastcollar. But, since he's a smaller horse anyway, I just use my standard-seat Sensation dressage model on him - it's more attractive with his smaller proportions and it works like a charm. To put this in perspective, four years ago I would have been VERY happy to have any of these problems with Sina. None of these are serious issues, especially compared to what I went through with her, but since I do have options now, I use them. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1148 - Release Date: 11/23/2007 7:39 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid
Robyn Schulze wrote: I bought mine from Kaaren, and was very happy w/ the service--she is very concerned about her customers' satisfaction. There is another midwest dealer that I worked with re: my Bob Marshall. This person also sells Sensations and I would NOT recommend her at all! Customer service was nonexistent, she was very difficult to get hold of, misordered the saddle and then wouldn't take responsibility for it. Email me directly if you want a name--I don't want to broadcast it--or just go w/ Kaaren, b/c you won't go wrong w/ her. Kaaren is great to work with and very knowledgeable. She has also developed a Skito pad that works very well with Icelandics and possibly other low-withered horses (Kaaren would know best).She is responds rights away and can help you with all your saddle fit questions. Trish
RE: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid
Hi Pamela, I want to purchase a Sensation Hybrid. Where and from who is the best place for price and service. Also, what else do I need to know about these saddles. I rode in a friends English/dressage model and felt very safe and it was super comfy. I wouldn't use it all the time tho. Depending on where you live there are some distributors in the US and Canada. Kaaren Jordan is in California and I think several people have bought saddles through her - she is very thorough. I live in Canada, and there are other distributors in Ohio, Washington ??? - I think you could also look on Dana's website www.nickerssaddlery.com I have been using Sensations for 4 years, on a variety of breeds, and they work well for lots of horses and people. There should not be a price difference from anywhere you would buy the saddle in North America. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid
Depending on where you live there are some distributors in the US and Canada. Kaaren Jordan is in California and I think several people have bought saddles through her - she is very thorough. I bought mine from Kaaren, and was very happy w/ the service--she is very concerned about her customers' satisfaction. There is another midwest dealer that I worked with re: my Bob Marshall. This person also sells Sensations and I would NOT recommend her at all! Customer service was nonexistent, she was very difficult to get hold of, misordered the saddle and then wouldn't take responsibility for it. Email me directly if you want a name--I don't want to broadcast it--or just go w/ Kaaren, b/c you won't go wrong w/ her. Robyn
RE: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid
I bought mine from Kaaren, and was very happy w/ the service--she is very concerned about her customers' satisfaction. There is another midwest dealer that I worked with re: my Bob Marshall. This person also sells Sensations and I would NOT recommend her at all! Customer service was nonexistent, she was very difficult to get hold of, misordered the saddle and then wouldn't take responsibility for it. I think I bought my BMSS from that person - I recognize the description! Karen Thomas, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid and Trail dimensions
On 4/23/07, susan cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan in NV(who's NOT telling hubby I'm considering another saddle!!!) Oh my, I think I like the Western!! V
RE: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid chameleon package
Then we went out on the trail. She rode her mellower Friesian and I rode a Fjord. I took my hybrid Sensation and tried it on the Fjord. It fit him great and Kim tried it and loved it. Sounds like fun - are these people pretty close to you? I've had three people in the past week take their first ride on an Icelandic horse here. I had my Sensation Hybrid on the horse for them. Everyone of them loved the horse I put them on, and loved the saddle. The first lady actually said, I can't tell if I just love this horse, or if I love the saddle, or if I love them both. She likes color too and when I told her she could get the saddle in different colors or just have the seat in different colors, she was sold. I thought it would be cool with my chocolate and black saddle to have a purple seat and a turquoise seat to interchange! I think it's a great idea too - I think it was Kaaren Jordan who actually came up with this idea of making the seat, stirrup leather tubes, and grab strap tubes, so that you don't have to have any color on the basic saddle, but still have a good dash of color. So, if you get sick of a particular color, or if you want to use the saddle on a horse on a horse of a different color, you aren't stuck. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 1:44 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid chameleon package
So, if you get sick of a particular color, or if you want to use the saddle on a horse on a horse of a different color, you aren't stuck. What a great idea - I think it will really catch on. -- Laree
RE: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid chameleon package
What a great idea - I think it will really catch on. Laree I think so...but for the record, I should probably clarify for anyone new on the list. It was only four years ago that I'd get so depressed, afraid that I had my ideal horse in Sina, but that I might not find ANY saddle to work for her. At that time, I probably would have been thrilled to have found ANY saddle that fit, even it had only been available in fuchsia/orange/chartreuse plaid! Now, thanks to treeless saddles, Sensations especially, not only do I have options in which saddles I can put on my horses, but - whoda thunkit - I can actually be picky about something as superficial as COLORS! Ah, how far we've come! This is a luxury I certainly didn't foresee just a few years ago. Many thanks for Judy, Robyn, my good friend and local saddle fitter, and all the folks who were investigating treeless saddles before I got desperate, and many thanks to Dana for her innovation with the Sensation design, and to Kaaren Jordan, for her creativity and good service... :) Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 1:44 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid chameleon package
If I was gonna get one mine would be bright harlot crimson. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid chameleon package
Sounds like a cool idea! I went riding yesterday with a lady I met on the Fjord group. First we rode her Friesians in the coverall arena. I've never ridden a Friesian-man do they have a huge trot! I had to refresh my posting skills. It felt so weird compared to riding my little ponies. I didn't think they were that comfortable a ride, but boy are they beautiful. Then we went out on the trail. She rode her mellower Friesian and I rode a Fjord. I took my hybrid Sensation and tried it on the Fjord. It fit him great and Kim tried it and loved it. She likes color too and when I told her she could get the saddle in different colors or just have the seat in different colors, she was sold. I thought it would be cool with my chocolate and black saddle to have a purple seat and a turquoise seat to interchange! Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid
with a removable bolster that fits under the seat so the seat can be adjusted for different butts! You can also remove the bolster in the front if you don't like the swell. Sweet! That makes the saddle pretty versatile! Looking forward to pictures! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid
You should use the grey high pressure outdoor PVC pipe, the other stuff isn't strong enough and could shatter or break. I don't think I see your point here...? The plastic piping is well under $1 per foot (maybe under $.50 - can't remember) and it only took an inch per stirrup. (Two inches if you use the wider, western-neck stirrups - but I don't think the Sensations can use western stirrups.) It's simply a cover over the bolt - it's not even needed. If it breaks I'll splurge another $.04 and replace it. The bolt was, and still is, what carries the burden structurally. I've been using one for over a year, and it's still fine. And, btw, I don't think you can find any PVC pipe that is small enough on the OD, yet big enough on the ID to go over the bolt. And if you did, it wouldn't have any springiness of the softer tubing. That's the only reason I tried the tubing - the bolt alone should have been fine. Canadian Trail House sells replacement tops for the EZ Rides. She sold them so you could have one set of EZ Rides and use them for different sized leathers. And none of the tops work with Webbers, unless you take the rubber cover off and just use the bolt - which was the reason I posted this, so people can use Webbers if they prefer. Regular stirrups work just fine though, without any modifications. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.33/678 - Release Date: 2/9/2007 4:06 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid
Regular stirrups work just fine though, without any modifications. Sheesh, I did it again. That should read, Regular stirrup LEATHERS work fine without any modifications. Sorry. Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.33/678 - Release Date: 2/9/2007 4:06 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid
The newer EZ-rides have a fat slightly springy cover over the bolt that is supposed to add still more shock absorption. The loop of the Webber won't fit over that. I've also just cut the loop off the end of the webbers, threaded that through the stirrup ring on the saddle and put a hole in the webbers on each side of the stirrup ring and attached the webbers to a large conway buckle. That way you don't run out of holes if you need to make the stirrups really short. Cherie
RE: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid
I've also just cut the loop off the end of the webbers, threaded that through the stirrup ring on the saddle and put a hole in the webbers on each side of the stirrup ring and attached the webbers to a large conway buckle. That way you don't run out of holes if you need to make the stirrups really short. Oh no, we're not back to Conway buckles! That was the whole reason I changed to Webbers to start with. Dana's original stirrups all depended on Conway buckles (so did the Freeform saddle stirrup leathers) and for those of us who share saddles with other people, that is a real PITA! I probably never would have tried the Webbers to begin with had it not been for Conway buckles. :) Karen Thomas, NC, hoping Mr. Conway has been severely punished for his horrible little invention! [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid
Oh no, we're not back to Conway buckles! That was the whole reason I changed to Webbers to start with. The conways are just holding the webber to the stirrup ring. Once they're on you don't have to mess with them. The webbers adjust the normal way. Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid
Raven wrote: Your pony is so darn cute!!! ;] Thanks! And the bald spots aren't just on his withers. They are mainly on his shoulder and neck and just the one spot on his withers. Trish
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Karen Thomas wrote: Sheesh, I did it again. That should read, Regular stirrup LEATHERS work fine without any modifications. Sorry. I know! When I read your first post, I was gonna have to ask you again to clarify :-) ...but you caught it! Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid
On 2/9/07, pippa258 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally got to try this saddle today...I love it! Great photo!!! V
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid
On 2/10/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think I see your point here...? I should know better than to take the laptop to bed and post when I can't sleep. ;) Way back when I was a dealer for an endurance tack company what I was told is that you needed the plastic pipe (the ones I have left are 1/2 inside diameter) to protect the stirrup leathers. The plastic pipe I have is identical to what came on the 'old' EZ Rides, that way I could change the sizes for people if they wanted me to. Something about the leathers being stressed too much if they rest on just the bolt, that it has to be covered. I doubt if you or I would have a problem with it since we're both small, but it's always been my opinion that EZ Rides were designed for a giant. Steph -- Brutality begins where skill ends. Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels. Von Niendorff
RE: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid
Finally got to try this saddle today...I love it! So comfy... I love mine too. I don't like the hard use stirrup set-up though. I probably have this set up wrong as there is such a gap. The model I had before came with Conway buckles so you could change to the free-swing mode but you cannot with this model. I need to changeout the leathers. I'm using either Webbers or regular stirrups with mine. Yours looks very nice Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid
Karen Thomas wrote: I don't like the hard use stirrup set-up though. I probably have this set up wrong as there is such a gap. The model I had before came with Conway buckles so you could change to the free-swing mode but you cannot with this model. I need to changeout the leathers. I'm using either Webbers or regular stirrups with mine. Yours looks very nice Thanks! Did you mean in your last statement that you use Webbers or regular leathers? Or did you mean regular stirrups as in iron stirrups? When the Sensation leathers are replaced with Webbers or normal leathers, do I just loop them around the top of the EZ Rides? I remember you saying something about having to unscrew the bolts on the EZ Rides to put regular leathers on? Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid
Your pony is so darn cute!!! ;] Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chick, the Mini Barn Goddess Western WI, USA, Planet Earth Please be a responsible pet owner! http://tinyurl.com/yw3ak6
RE: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid
Did you mean in your last statement that you use Webbers or regular leathers? Or did you mean regular stirrups as in iron stirrups? Sorry I wasn't clear. I use EZ-ride type stirrups on all my saddles now, with either Webbers or regular stirrups leathers. When the Sensation leathers are replaced with Webbers or normal leathers, do I just loop them around the top of the EZ Rides? I remember you saying something about having to unscrew the bolts on the EZ Rides to put regular leathers on? Webbers are made to slide onto a safety stirrup bar on a treed saddle. The Sensations (and about all the treeless saddles) have a closed ring, instead of a bar, so you can't slide the Webbers on. So, what you can do instead is turn the Webbers upside down if you use the EZ rides. Unbolt the top of the EZ rides, and slide he Webber loop that normally slides onto the stirrup bar through the bolt and replace the bolt. Then, slide the top part of the webber that has the t-buckle through the stirrup loop on the saddle. I've been riding in Sensations with my Webbers upside-down for over a year. The newer EZ-rides have a fat slightly springy cover over the bolt that is supposed to add still more shock absorption. The loop of the Webber won't fit over that. What I tried this last time is sliding the bolt through a piece of 1/2 (I think that's the size) plastic tubing (like they sell for fish tank pumps - they carry it at Lowe's). The plastic tubing will fit through the loop in the Webbers. This isn't necessary if you use normal stirrup leathers. If you want a cheap but effective thing to hold the extra piece of the regular stirrup leathers (not Webbers) so that they don't flop in the breeze, you can use a short piece of the Velcro One-Wrap. I love that stuff - I get that at Lowe's too. (I'm sure Home Depot carries it too.) Gee...I've been making saddle pad covers. Now I'm giving helpful hints on stirrup riggings. I really don't care for Martha Stewart, but darned if this e-mail didn't sound Marth-ish. And that's not a good thing... Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Sensation Hybrid
On 2/9/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The newer EZ-rides have a fat slightly springy cover over the bolt that is supposed to add still more shock absorption. The loop of the Webber won't fit over that. What I tried this last time is sliding the bolt through a piece of 1/2 (I think that's the size) plastic tubing (like they sell for fish tank pumps - they carry it at Lowe's). The plastic tubing will fit through the loop in the Webbers. This isn't necessary if you use normal stirrup leathers. You should use the grey high pressure outdoor PVC pipe, the other stuff isn't strong enough and could shatter or break. I believe I still have 6 or 8 sets of replacement tops that I could bring when we ever get together. I don't think the pipe breaking is going to cause a fall or anything like that since the bolt will hold, but it could potentially injure the horse. Canadian Trail House sells replacement tops for the EZ Rides. She sold them so you could have one set of EZ Rides and use them for different sized leathers. Steph -- Brutality begins where skill ends. Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels. Von Niendorff
