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I > think everyone agrees that wormers need to be rotated so that you > aren't allowing your horses to build an immunity to any of them. > I wish you'd go say that on the gaited list!! Everyone on there thinks you only need ivermectin, ever, always. I was truly amazed. Just flabbergasted. I argued til i was blue in the face. But i live in worm and fungus country i guess! But still. i was purely amazed anyone would think ivermectin is all you ever need for a horse. ever. period. still flabbergasted by that! But got tired of arguing it... Here, everybody says when you worm with a wormer the others not affected by it "explode" so you have to rotate to get them all, to keep them down to a manageable level. Wish some of you would go over to the gaited list and offer some good ol experienced knowlege, seems like so many newcomers there, just a constant flow. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
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2008/6/5 Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I use one of those in my rotation too - usually one of those two products > once a year. It's another reason to stay in communication with your vet. Because I use the services of the vet and students at the vet college in the city, I receive a quarterly newsletter that outlines all the studies the college is participating in. As Martha Stewart would say...'it's a good thing.' Wanda
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>>> I've also dewormed with Eqvalan Gold Zimectrin Gold I use one of those in my rotation too - usually one of those two products once a year. It's another reason to stay in communication with your vet. These two products are fairly new, maybe 3-5 years old, I think. If you get complacent and worm your horses the same way all the time, you're in danger of letting some sort of new resistance sneak up on your, and you may not realize when new products come out that fill a need. Before these two came out, I double-dosed with Strongid (generic usually) in the spring to get tape worms. I rarely use Panaceur or Safeguard, although I have done the 5-day-Panaceur dosing once or twice for specific reasons. Karen Thomas, NC
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2008/6/5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Zimectrin Gold > > Renee Thanks. I'll order that the next time. Wanda
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I need > to buy a microscope. That's the conclusion I've come to - it's on my Xmas list - does anyone know a good source for a good microscope? -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley "I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands." - Steve Edwards
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>>> I am in the South so we have to deworm all year but I don't know if that >>> is different in the North Laree, did you read that special in The Horse a year or two ago? There is actually some evidence to think those horses in the South (or other hot areas) are less likely to need worming in the summer than in the winter. That seems counterintuitive to me, but apparently worms/worm eggs have more trouble surviving heat than cold. I still worm year round though - I need to buy a microscope. Karen Thomas, NC
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On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:41:05 -0600, you wrote: > and the most I spent was 8.95 (for >the Quest). That's a substantial saving. Wow. Anybody across the pond feel like ordering me a boxfull of Quest (or even better, Quest Plus - the one that does tape worm as well) and posting them over? I will pay you with Paypal, or however you like I tried jeffers.com , but I get shunted straight onto the UK version which is awful. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
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On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/6/5 Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> OK--so that means since I did Panacur ( fenbendazole ) then the next >> two times I can use the Ivermectin and then the Strongid -- when would >> I use the Quest? > > Next year? How often are you planning to deworm this year? I think > you're more in the banana belt than I am. > Banana belt? Hmmm...since worming seems to correspond to region I think I better check with my vet. V
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2008/6/5 Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > OK--so that means since I did Panacur ( fenbendazole ) then the next > two times I can use the Ivermectin and then the Strongid -- when would > I use the Quest? Next year? How often are you planning to deworm this year? I think you're more in the banana belt than I am. Wanda
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On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/6/5 Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > We only need to deworm three times a year. > Then again at the end of July and then again after the first good frost.. > OK--so that means since I did Panacur ( fenbendazole ) then the next two times I can use the Ivermectin and then the Strongid -- when would I use the Quest? Confused, V
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2008/6/5 Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I am in the South so we have to deworm all year but I don't know if > that is different in the North We only need to deworm three times a year. I'm late doing it this spring though. I normally deworm by the early part of May. (we had frost just a few days ago) Then again at the end of July and then again after the first good frost.. I like your idea of using one dewormer a year... Maybe I'll try that next year. Wanda
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> So it doesn't really matter what you use? I'm just wondering if a > specific wormer is better at a certain time of year. > I am in the South so we have to deworm all year but I don't know if that is different in the North -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley "I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands." - Steve Edwards
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> So it doesn't really matter what you use? I'm just wondering if a > specific wormer is better at a certain time of year. There are two schools of thought that are actually pretty similiar. I think everyone agrees that wormers need to be rotated so that you aren't allowing your horses to build an immunity to any of them. Some people (like me) use a different wormer every year - so this year is my Quest year and I will give Quest every 3 months and give Ivermectin probably Jan 1 (to get the bots) Next year will be my Ivermectin year and I will give Ivermectin every 2 months then the next year will be my Strongid year. Other people like to rotate the wormers within the year. Ivermectin, then Strongid (or whatever the generic is) and Quest. Just be sure to give Ivermectin sometime after the first really good frost. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley "I ride ponies because heart is not measured in hands." - Steve Edwards
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2008/6/5 Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Oops! Forgot the treats. Then I came in and had a cup of tea and a piece of cake...so it was treats all around. > The Panacur is fenbendazole. ...good to know. > So it doesn't really matter what you use? I'm just wondering if a > specific wormer is better at a certain time of year. I'm not sure. I've always just assumed that if you deworm with a certain dewormer, then the next dewormer should be something different. I've also dewormed with Eqvalan Gold...which has ivermectin and praziquantel in it. But it seems to me it has a different name in the US. I'll have to look that up, because I might decide to use that as the last dewormer of the year. Wanda -- Thoughts become things...
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On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Then treats follow immediately... > Oops! Forgot the treats. > Well I dewormed with something called "Safeguard" last night. It's > fenbendazole. The Panacur is fenbendazole. > Next, I'll either deworm with "Quest" (moxidectin) or with a generic > type of Ivermectin. So it doesn't really matter what you use? I'm just wondering if a specific wormer is better at a certain time of year. >All of these I ordered through Jeffer's for about > the half the price I normally spend on deworming per year. >From the States? What about shipping and customs? > I can spend anywhere from 17.99 to > 25.00 for a tube of dewormer here I purchased the Panacur from the vet at $13 each. At the boarding barn they doubled the price each because they did it for me (and the rest of the boarders). V
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2008/6/5 Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I wormed (Panacur) Gat and Orri last night too. This was the first > time I ever wormed a horse--I looked up 'how-to' on the internet (ie > how to hold the head, where to put the syringe, etc) and because I > didn't know if the horses would fight me about it I was worried. As > it turned out they seemed to like it! Orri couldn't wait for his > turn. Probably the flavouring. Ours are pretty good about being dewormed, though I like to hold their chins up for a moment or two just to make sure they don't spit a gob of it out. Then treats follow immediately... > So--now that they're wormed I'm set for another 2 months and then > which wormer would I use? Well I dewormed with something called "Safeguard" last night. It's fenbendazole. I don't normally use that for some reason. I've always alternated between moxidectin or ivermetcin Next, I'll either deworm with "Quest" (moxidectin) or with a generic type of Ivermectin. All of these I ordered through Jeffer's for about the half the price I normally spend on deworming per year. Actually it probably cost less than half. I can spend anywhere from 17.99 to 25.00 for a tube of dewormer here, and the most I spent was 8.95 (for the Quest). That's a substantial saving. Wanda
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On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was finally able to deworm last night, so maybe that will kick start > the rest to start shedding properly. > I wormed (Panacur) Gat and Orri last night too. This was the first time I ever wormed a horse--I looked up 'how-to' on the internet (ie how to hold the head, where to put the syringe, etc) and because I didn't know if the horses would fight me about it I was worried. As it turned out they seemed to like it! Orri couldn't wait for his turn. Probably the flavouring. So--now that they're wormed I'm set for another 2 months and then which wormer would I use? V
