Re: [IceHorses] Young Patient Trainer
On Nov 25, 2007 1:05 AM, Raven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Young patient trainer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNMIz-RjJyw Yikes--I just got to reading this post and see that I've duplicated the message about it. Sorry... V
Re: [IceHorses] Young Patient Trainer
On Nov 25, 2007 12:05 AM, Raven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Young patient trainer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNMIz-RjJyw I may be wrong, but from what I was reading of the videographer's comments, I believe she was trying to show that these horses needed to be listened to as to why they were reacting so violently. She was very diplomatic and non-judgemental in her comments, probably knew the people in the video and didn't want to offend them. It appears that the commenters weren't getting the message. They were praising the 'rodeo' type riding instead. If that is what she meant and I was her I would be frustrated beyond belief. I am on dial up and watching a 5 min video literally takes 30 mins to download, so I've only watched about 2 mins. of the video -- Anna Southern Ohio
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may be wrong, but from what I was reading of the videographer's comments, I believe she was trying to show that these horses needed to be listened to as to why they were reacting so violently yes. that was her message. ;] She was very diplomatic and non-judgemental in her comments, probably knew the people in the video and didn't want to offend them actaully...i think she is the rider on ALL the horses. she is showing the before and after videos. i wonder who she is and where she is located? Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Young Patient Trainer
She was very diplomatic and non-judgemental in her comments, probably knew the people in the video and didn't want to offend them -- I think there is a lot to this video that is positive - she calmly rode through the bad behavior but I also think in some instances she was settting up the bad behavior with her reins and nosebands too tight - she gave the horses no where to go. This is typical dressage training and I think sometime dressgae trainers need to learn to western ride and just let the horse learn to go forward without a frame - dressage trainers usually want to immediately put their horse in a frame. Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. - William Farley
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BTW...she also has other horse training videos on YouTube. it's great to see this young girl work the horses she is training. I think she's a very talented rider/trainer. here are some of her comments made on the horses in the video. Yes I am the rider in all the clips. I still have a lot to learn myself. Just have to take the time to figure it out, its not always easy! None of them in particular had a problem from pain. I did adjust a couple small things with a couple of their saddles, but really none of them had pain issues. The first one in the video longing however was coldbacked. I am very big about checking for pain when I start working with a horse, especially ones with difficulties. Absolutely the first thing to look for. I am in SE Texas. I work for my trainer at the barn I keep one of my own horses, and I also go to a couple other barns and work there. Although they are not playing and having fun, they all have precific problems that had to be individually searched and adressed. Each horse has a 'woohoo' day here and there, these were more than just simple 'woohoo' days ;D. Every horse I ride teaches me something, whether it be the more obviously difficult ones or the more quietly troubled ones. (or not troubled at all!) The loud ones just give a clear message for the video. Oh yes, I have done ground work with most of them. What is often labeled 'join-up' basics I do with a lot of them. I don't like to over-do ground work either. I want to understand them, get that connection that kind of thing. Beyond that not much more - unless they have bad ground manners that need correcting or they are a horse I longe. I think amounts of ground work are wonderful and I do it, but I don't go beyond what is necessary for the horse. Yes, my passion is in dressage. The basics of the discipline help just about every horse - learning rhythm, balance, relaxation and so on. I have ridden horses who are not dressage horses and never will be, but the work helped them in what they were doing. I ride in many different saddles. My own horse has one made for him. The grey is in a Wintec (endurance not dressage), the others went in their owners imported saddles. (not exactly sure how to spell it and do not want to be incorrect in the name) Whatever fits the horse, I have learned to adapt to many types of saddle. Sitting the different movements takes balance, experience, even an understanding of it. You have to know you can do it too ;D. Yes losing your temper is a very normal human reaction and a big problem when working with horses. There are a lot of thing we do for them though, and learning to keep ourselves calm should be on the list ^_^. I tend to get the reaction of cracking a smile when something happens - horses minds and power amuse me. Yes, it is important to keep calm - you can't expect the horse to be calm if your are not so yourself. Lots of riding and riding a lot of different horses (with training from my instructor) helps to improve a rider. I am 19. A lot of riding on a lot of different horses. Part of not being scared is just natural to me. Another part is understanding. It helps a lot (to some at least) to understand why a horse did something that might scare a rider. The more the rider understands it it can be less scary and the more you can learn how to work through it and know that you can the less scary it becomes. It is not for everyone to deal with the most difficult situations, but most riders can lessen a lot of their fears. In reference to the horses in the video. ll of these actually came from a very similar base: training. (except the one on the longe - he was also cold-backed) They all had trainers and riders in their past where that issues came. Most of them for similar reasons: Too harsh a hand and leg. They all had different reactions and required different ways to help them through. They grey had many a more problems with riding and training, he was mentally fried. He was by far the most mentally difficult, but so rewarding to see him happy. I have much to learn myself, but the simple message of taking the time and looking at the situation is just one so many people ignore. You have obviously missed the message of this video. I am not promoting my 'cool-factor'. I have fallen before, as many riders and you will most likely one day. The horses are not 'wild' they have difficulties, I can work through them, that is nothing to be ashamed of, nor gloat about. This video has a message much deeper than me as a rider, if you missed it, I am sorry. I am not sure if I am brave, just know my limits as anyone else. I of course will do my best to stay safe, keep the brain cap on. ::pats helmet:: Oh yes they are all lovely now, which is of course the point of the second part of the video. The bay who reared went to a lovely show home, the buckskin pony just had a foal (she was moved and no one was small enough to ride her), the gray has other updated videos, and the bucking bay
Re: [IceHorses] Young Patient Trainer
On 25/11/2007, Raven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW...she also has other horse training videos on YouTube. it's great to see this young girl work the horses she is training. I think she's a very talented rider/trainer. here are some of her comments made on the horses in the video. Well...she seems to be saying all the right things, but those horses are still bucking when she's on them. This is just my totally uneducated guess, but if a horse is still bucking when you first ride them, then you haven't done enough ground work. A bucking horse is not prepared. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Young Patient Trainer
then you haven't done enough ground work. That is what I thought the first ride. More groundwork is needed.
RE: [IceHorses] Young Patient Trainer
I think sometime dressage trainers need to learn to western ride and just let the horse learn to go forward without a frame - dressage trainers usually want to immediately put their horse in a frame. Laree in NC I agree Laree. I think it's important for a newly started horse to learn to balance itself with a rider, moving freely in all it's gaits before we try to teach them to stay in a frame. Young horses held in by their faces and boxed in with seat and legs often feel trapped and will rear, crow hop or buck. A lot of inexperienced people starting horses will ask them to move forward, but if they do so briskly, will often get nervous and yank on them to slow down. Very confusing for the horse! Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord)
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Well...she seems to be saying all the right things, but those horses are still bucking when she's on them. yes...they are bucking...cuz when she FIRST got them into her training...they were problem horses. the first part of the video...shows the way they were when she got them. the last part of the video...shows the horses AFTER she worked with them. Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
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shows the way they were when she got them I still think somehting is missing with the ground work.
