Re: [IceHorses] Training a young horse
On 5/22/08, Sandra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > HI > I'm training a colt by myself, he is 2 years old. I have been watching > this amazing dvd and I'm using a lot of the informtion. Just wanted to > know if anyone else is doing horse training and what methods are you > using? > sandy > The First Ride > Brannaman, B. I have trained some young ones of mine myself, and it was a wonderful experience, I made some bad mistakes but overall I am glad I did it that way. I like Brannaman, he is good, but mainly I spent years ground training leading up to that saddling and mounting moment. At least two years slow and steady until when its time to mount they are standing eprfectly syill for it, had my weight leaned over them, wave my arms around etc, take them for long walks like a dog, pony them on trails while they wear a saddle etc. Then it seems like actually getting on them is no big deal! But my shortcoming is "formal" training, how to get them to yield to leg and seat cues, etc I am clueless about that! I bought every book and tape by every trainer there is I think, and I just picked what I needed and left the rest. I like Linda Parelli , pat parelli, Lynn Palm, Stacy Westfall, etc and I guess a lot depends on what type thing you enjoy. I like to do some trick training and I like to make sure my horses will do any everyday stuff without fear, and trail obstacle work is always a great help I dont care what you are into. For gait info I like Liz Graves and Lee Zeigler. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] training babies
> I'll bet you could beat Janice in any virtual show discipline requiring > snow. > > However, she's a sure thing for the scenic trail class - wildflowers > required. yes we will take you all down in the class where horses are supposed to stare at logs. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
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How in the world am I going to practise for the virtual show in order to beat Janice, if I keep having bad weather on the weekends? I'll bet you could beat Janice in any virtual show discipline requiring snow. However, she's a sure thing for the scenic trail class - wildflowers required. Nancy
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On 16/04/2008, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well done, Wanda. I would write thst I can't believe how you are bundled > up, but we have more snow in our forecast. Well...I'm wearing my jacket simply because I have treats in my pockets and Cara...well...she's always cold. We have snow in our forecast too. Looks like a bad storm rolling in on Sunday. How in the world am I going to practise for the virtual show in order to beat Janice, if I keep having bad weather on the weekends? Wanda
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I still think I could build a chariot out of plywood and bicycle tires... a man I know has QHs and entertains his kids by harnessing a horse to a "platform" sled kinda thing with a bar across the front and has the kids lay on it while the horse drags them over hill and dale, and sometimes the horse slings them all off going fast around a corner and they just scream laughing and act like they are at an amusement park. Its their favorite past time and the horses seem ok with it, calm and happy. I wanted to do that but at my house I dont have rolling green pastures like he has, I have sand and it would be hard work for the horse i think... and besides I couldnt lay on my belly and hold the reins like his kids do... country kids, gotta love it when they make up their own amusements... Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
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Well done, Wanda. I would write thst I can't believe how you are bundled up, but we have more snow in our forecast. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] training versus retraining - Stoic versus opinionated
On 27/03/2008, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > in all seriousness, oh yeah, he's calmatose most of the time. My > Donny is dyslexic Lots of people are dyslexic, Tom Cruise for one...and there always have been people afflicted with it...it was just never diagnosed when I was in school. I know a few of the boys in my class had trouble reading, but I always thought they were just the brightest kids...the most fun to hang out with :). Nowadays kids get diagnosed when they have difficulties and get the proper help. Thank heaven for progress in our school systems... Wanda thinking of my old school chums...and wondering where they are now.. and can barely read and gets all his words wrong but > you couldnt ever mistake him for being "not bright" even tho most of > the time he appears calmatose. he is one of those people who cant > pass a test but you would sure like to have in the event of a nuclear > holocaust and you had to survive off the land. I found that out the > night we were camping and a storm blew thru and it went from 80 > degrees to 18 in a matter of hours and I had no coat. He made me a > wool cape by taking a blanket and throwing it around me, and making it > fasten by bunching the fabric over a rock and tying a piece of hay > string around it so it was like a button. I woulda never thought of > that... > Janice-- > even good horses have bad days sometimes. > > > > IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses > > "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, > contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and > unrealistic." > > "All truth passes through three stages. > First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. > Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer > > > [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com > [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com > [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo > [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- Save the earth, it's the only place to get chocolate.
Re: [IceHorses] training versus retraining - Stoic versus opinionated
you should see him now, he is what donny calls "calmatose", only donny isnt making a joke, he thinks thats how it is spelled and pronounced. People will say wow, Tivar is sure a quiet horse and Donny will reply in all seriousness, oh yeah, he's calmatose most of the time. My Donny is dyslexic and can barely read and gets all his words wrong but you couldnt ever mistake him for being "not bright" even tho most of the time he appears calmatose. he is one of those people who cant pass a test but you would sure like to have in the event of a nuclear holocaust and you had to survive off the land. I found that out the night we were camping and a storm blew thru and it went from 80 degrees to 18 in a matter of hours and I had no coat. He made me a wool cape by taking a blanket and throwing it around me, and making it fasten by bunching the fabric over a rock and tying a piece of hay string around it so it was like a button. I woulda never thought of that... Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
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>>> The only horse I own that I can brag on training 100% is my tivar, >>> trained by Shirley and Karen at her house in NC. That Shirley with her >>> quiet kindness and know how to teach a horse what it needs firmly and >>> quietly combined with Karen's will and enthusiasm about getting inside a >>> horse's head and discerning its needs after it has gone sour from other trainers... he was just a lucky guy cause let me tell you something about my Teev, he is like no by god, aint gonna take, I will go down fighting, Thanks Janice, but to be fair, I think Tivar had SOME good basic training and some good rides before we ever met him, but unfortunately, he must have had some bad experiences too. He was not a happy horse at all when we met him. Another good friend, not Shirley this time, kept saying things, like, My god, can you imagine what Tivar would be like if ALL of his training had been so positive?I've said it time and again - training is SO much easier than retraining. I'm lucky to have someone like Shirley who's taught me so much and who can take over the parts that still frustrate me. I do some parts of the rehab work fairly well I think - Tivar and I developed a nice bond on the ground and he was SO willing to learn... but I couldn't have ignored his initial threats of bucking in the quiet and patient way that Shirley did. (My memory of waiting for someone to find me when I broke my back are too vivid.) That would have unnerved me too much and frustrated me, which probably would have kept him on edge. Shirley rarely gets dumped...not because she's a great rider, even though she is. It's because she knows when to mount a horse, and when not to - that's SO important. We agreed early on that Tivar needed something done besides being ridden - no point in anyone. horse or human, being hurt. Once I took the time and did plenty of relaxed groundwork, got him all physically checked out, and figured out to try the ulcer treatment, she was ready to get on him, and could tell that his initial reactions were more from "fear of pain" than from actual pain. As soon as he saw the real pain was gone, it was smooth sailing...slow, but smooth. To Janice's credit, Tivar was in the best state of mind I could imagine when I saw him last fall, almost a year after he left. She needs a huge atta girl for that, that she didn't allow him to backslide during his transition. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] training with treats is so fun
On 3/13/08, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (Tivar and Sina are two noteworthy exceptions, bless their honest and direct > souls.) > > > Karen Thomas, NC > oh man, Tivar is beginning to scare me with his "look in the eye" communications! I aint kiddin at all. He will give me the hardest mean look when he is aggravated. A forthright stare when he is trying to tell me something, a sheepish look when he has been petulant, and often, a look of pure desperation when he is trying to say "pay ATTENTION this is IMPORTANT" like he gets very frustrated that he cant speak. He has started doing this whole bizarre violent nasty behavior when I bring in the herd from turnout. He barrels in trying to get to the gate first, knowing the set up is such that it is just gonna cause problems. Then when the others get there he whirls and thunders around chasing everybody, acting like a nut. It took forever but I finally figured it out one day when I got everyone in, the gates closed, and was about to walk away when he licked and chewed and looked me directly in the eye like "its been really hard but I got them all in and sorted out for you so you could hurry and feed us". Theres nothing anyone can say would make me believe he wasnt saying that. it was as if he said it aloud. Then i started paying attention, and see he has this whole elaborate herding method of getting everyone in, altho on the surface it looks like he is picking fights. Ironically the only ones who wont do what he says are nasi and the donkey. and oh, he gets so mad at them! janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] training with treats is so fun
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 01:43:41PM -0400, Karen Thomas wrote: > >>> *grin* i used to lease a good arab. she was plenty smart, but not, umm, > >>> very *sensible*, if you see the difference... > > My experience is that many/most Arabs reflect the personalities of their > riders/handlers, probably more than any other breed as a whole. the arab's first owner was definitely afraid of her -- i'm told she was rarely ridden before i came along and (in-barn) leased her. she was also used as a lesson horse at the time, though i don't think that was a particularly good move for her. but the exercise definitely helped. i had a three-day-a-week lease, and when she was sold (and i continued my lease for several months) her new owner was a horse-crazy ten-year-old who rode every day. i don't think the horse became any more sensible -- any coke bottle or corner of the ring could suddenly turn on her, and if you sneezed while mounted she'd bolt -- but with more exercise and more love she definitely became a lot *happier*, and that was great. i really loved that mare, but i knew she wasn't going to be "the one" for me, which is why i didn't buy her when owner #1 put her up for sale. i sneeze once in awhile and i hate it to be a big deal to the horse. and she HATED trail riding, which i rather wanted to learn to do. (i admit i took this word on reputation, but the trails were a few blocks down the road, and i wouldn't consider her traffic-safe.) last i heard (xmas) she and her new owner were still very happy together, and the young girl had learned to negotiate princess's gazelle-like springy canter :) so it's all good. but i still think stjarni's more my type. > Icelandic's however, tend to be less honest with us, often swallowing their > feelings and keeping a stiff upper lip in spite of what happens to them. *grin* stjarni is extremely expressive, although extremely accomodating. our last ride out involved a lot of water crossings, and the tossing of the head and the bouncing of the rock-star mane! but i think he'd take all of maybe one step sideways or backwards, and if i just sat quietly and said "come on, love, walk on," he'd drop his head after a minute and and walk carefully through. --vicka
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>>> *grin* i used to lease a good arab. she was plenty smart, but not, umm, >>> very *sensible*, if you see the difference... My experience is that many/most Arabs reflect the personalities of their riders/handlers, probably more than any other breed as a whole. My daughter would be the first to tell you that Thunder was always the barometer of her moods. He taught her a lot about being relaxed, confident and happy. Icelandic's however, tend to be less honest with us, often swallowing their feelings and keeping a stiff upper lip in spite of what happens to them. (Tivar and Sina are two noteworthy exceptions, bless their honest and direct souls.) Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] training with treats is so fun
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 07:08:01AM -0800, Nancy Sturm wrote: > You've obviously never owned a good Arab. :) > > Too funny. I ride in the land of the good Arab. They're not only smart, > they're another breed of people pleasers. When I flew off Tali and broke my > back, our grandson Gabe bought him. His mom refers to them as "the boy > and his pony". They have the most wonderful relationship. I can always > tell when Gabe's high school schedule has kept him from getting to the barn > because Tali is obviously looking for him. *grin* i used to lease a good arab. she was plenty smart, but not, umm, very *sensible*, if you see the difference... --vicka
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You've obviously never owned a good Arab. :) Too funny. I ride in the land of the good Arab. They're not only smart, they're another breed of people pleasers. When I flew off Tali and broke my back, our grandson Gabe bought him. His mom refers to them as "the boy and his pony". They have the most wonderful relationship. I can always tell when Gabe's high school schedule has kept him from getting to the barn because Tali is obviously looking for him. Nancy
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On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 07:37:09AM -0500, Janice McDonald wrote:
> I feel like gaited breed horses are smarter than non-gaited. but I
> also know my smartest horse is my most dangerous and my dumbest horse
> the sweetest.
stjarni likes people, and i think is the most trustworthy horse at our
barn in addition to being the smartest. he doesn't have a mean bone in
his chunky little body. we have two horses (one mine, one my barn
owner's) that we teach beginners on, and stjarni goes right from being a
demanding little bugger with me ("oh, you shifted your butt, you must
mean SIDEPASS!!") to a steady, easy, voice-controlled stop-and-start
horse. the other beginner-safe horse becomes, well, a steady, easy
horse to stop ;)
our dumbest (a former student's who has since left with her mom and mare
for a more "show" barn) i think was the most dangerous, since the mare
could feel the mom's insecurity and it made her even sillier -- she did
things like get startled when tied once and broke THROUGH A METAL GRATE
to break a glass windowpane (and cut up her face, naturally).
our current "most dangerous" imho is "tweedledumb" who will do things
like decide to roll in the seawater at the beach without warning (he's
the devious one; he's good on cows). and our current "dumbest" imho is
almost never ridden, and isn't particularly dangerous on the ground,
just has to be frequently re-shown the things that the other horses
seem to understand (like, "at feeding time we go from turnout up into
our stalls") and remember.
my dog is a rehoming and she is secretly smarter and far more devious
than she lets on, and has become the more so as she's come out of her
shell of being "bottom dog" to being just "the dog". she tricks me and
sneaks things behind my back, but i admit i secretly rejoice to see her
personality coming through, even as i clean up the wreckage ;)
--vicka
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I feel like gaited breed horses are smarter than non-gaited. You've obviously never owned a good Arab. :) Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM
Re: [IceHorses] training with treats is so fun
On 3/12/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 09:08:00PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I have come to the conclusion that the Icelandic Horse is smarter > > than other horses I have owned and they were all types of breeds. > > Anyone out there think so too? > > i have to admit that i think so too. but i also think that stjarni > thinks so, and refers to his (qh and paint) paddockmates as tweedledumb > and tweedledumber :) > > --vicka > I feel like gaited breed horses are smarter than non-gaited. but I also know my smartest horse is my most dangerous and my dumbest horse the sweetest. Of my icelandics Teev is smartest but has a mean streak, can be actually humorously devious, and nasi is smarter than some of my others but he holds his cards very close. So many factors to consider about what is "smart". My smartest dog is also my main troublemaker. She came to ask me to let her out last nite and when she looked into my eyes it was eery, so human in intelligence, like one of those morphed photos you see on the internet where they put a humans eyes in a dogs face. She is my husbands dog and he talks to her all the time like she is human, and all the time I hear him saying "no treat for you you bad girl you tricked me!" haha Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
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Now I have had a number of horses over the years and I just don't seem to remember they were easy to teach. I have come to the conclusion that the Icelandic Horse is smarter than other horses I have owned and they were all types of breeds. Anyone out there think so too? I think there are smart horses in other breeds. I think some Icelandics aren't as quick to learn as others. But, the quickest horses to learn that I've ever met have all been Icelandic's. I think it doesn't get much better than a quick-study Icelandic! Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] training with treats is so fun
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 09:08:00PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have come to the conclusion that the Icelandic Horse is smarter > than other horses I have owned and they were all types of breeds. > Anyone out there think so too? i have to admit that i think so too. but i also think that stjarni thinks so, and refers to his (qh and paint) paddockmates as tweedledumb and tweedledumber :) --vicka
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I have come to the conclusion that the Icelandic Horse is smarter than other horses I > have owned and they were all types of breeds. Anyone out there think so > too? Hi Sylvia, I'm not sure if they're smarter, but the two we have seem very tuned to me and want to please almost in the way a nice dog does. Hunter, the TWH, has learned to pee on command, pick his feet without my touching him when I say "foot" and knows to come to the gait at 4:00 when he sees my big white van come up the drive, but he never has that eager expression the Icelandics have. If Yrsa were a human child, she would be hopping up and down on her tiptoes, waving her hand and saying "take me take me," Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Training naughty, stubborn puppies....wasGood parrot pet was Clicker Training Question
On 2/9/08, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you using training pads? I'm > still using pads for Sophie and quite frankly, I love it. > > But for now, I don't like going out in the cold, and neither does she... > We use the pads in the bath attached to the mudroom where the dogs stay when we're not home and Arnie still uses them. Sometimes he's been able to hold it, but most long days he hasn't. He will also use it when we're home, if we've missed his way too subtle requests to go out. He'll also use it in the middle of the night which I much prefer to having to let them out and following them around in the dark. Arnie always stresses me out by running off into the dark after some noise. My husband gets aggravated that our 9 mos old is still not perfectly house broken, but I think it's hard to him to distiguish when he can and can't use them. I yell at Michael if he yells at Arnie for going on the pads. I don't praise him for using the pads and I am still praising and clicking and treating when I see him going outside. They can be a challenge, but oh so much fun. -- Anna Southern Ohio
Re: [IceHorses] training
>>This mare seems to be willing but she does not have a clue as to what you want her to do. You need to step back a little.<<< Thanks, I'll try it. Dwight
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saddle. she was fine. and after a few attempts of mounting, she > was fine with me on her back, I can even hop on her bare back.. but > here's the problem, I cant get any forward movement. I've only tried > this once, and I'm out of town right now, but could use any advice on > how to proceed in her training. Dwight: This mare seems to be willing but she does not have a clue as to what you want her to do. You need to step back a little. I am a total amateur but this is how I have started many horses: Start out by leading her, using your chosen verbal commands for stop and go. Once she understands your verbal commands, ground-drive her, using either a surcingle or a saddle, threading the long lines through the leathers. If you have someone who can help you it's really easy. You simply ask your helper to lead the horse while you get behind her and use the proper commands. Never forget to praise lavishly when the horse does what you ask. There is often initial confusion because you praise her when she goes and praise her when she stops. There will be a moment initially when the horse will ask: now what on earth do you want me to do stop or go??? She will soon understand that you want her to follow your verbal commands. Most horses will easily follow verbal commands when you get on them after a few ground-driving sessions. I used to ground-drive to the farm gate and then get on and ride back to the barn when I was doing it by myself. Once the horse makes that initial connection you are basically home free. Just never fail to give feedback to the horse. She needs to know when she is doing the right thing. Anneliese
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You've got it Janice. What I was feeling in Tosca was that if I used anything other than passive "waiting her out", there just might be a temper tanrtum. And it would not have been mine. We had led her a million miles with five different small riders on her. My grandson (who actually weighs about what I do), a slim adult daughter, a 11 year old grandaughter had all ridden her off lead in the riding arena, Friends Nate and Christrina. Nikki, the 11 year old, rode her, with me walking beside, from the arena to the barn. Tosca has a deep trust and need for me, which I absolutely love about her, but it seemed that when I was up on her and not down on the ground beside her and she couldn't see me she became confused. Anyway - I have some physical stuff that makes falling problematic, so I decided to let Beverly get her feet moving. She's no teenager either, but she's a pretty intuitive rider and is less likely to come off. Nancy
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Thanks, Ill try that, Dwight
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goo S-L-O-W. Things are great so far, don't press your luck and overwhelm and then you will have some negative stuff to undo. Best to go slow and make a good friend and partner along the way. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] training
On 11/7/07, IceDog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would have a helper on the ground to lead her while you simultaneously > give her the move out cue from the saddle until she understands it. Then let > the ground person fade away. > > Cheryl > I just know that sticky "place" is where things often start to go south if you know whatta mean. I think the sticky moment is when the horse reaches a level of frustration and confusion and doesnt know what to do and if pressed, can explode out of fear. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
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I would have a helper on the ground to lead her while you simultaneously give her the move out cue from the saddle until she understands it. Then let the ground person fade away. Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandics Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs website: www.toltallyice.com
Re: [IceHorses] Training Young Horses
> Long story short, we bought two Icelandics, 3.5 years old, a gelding > and a mare. Just doing ground work and longlining with them Send pictures for us, Monica! We love to see pictures, not only of the horses standing around, but in the process of their training (groundwork, driving, etc.). Here's some other stuff to do with the young horses: http://iceryder.net/7games.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Training suggestions?
Usually, you can get them started off again by turning them and then riding away straight. She just kept doing turns on the haunches, which was kind of cute, but was coming a little early in her training. She turned nicely in either direction. She also felt like she would like to move backwards, which I think can become a nice evasion if taught before they're moving nicely forward. Nancy
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Hey Nancy, we go to the papermill and get free sections of rubber conveyor belt material and put under the feed buckets and at my "washrack" and other areas. Guess if I had stalls could use it for that. But I bet if you got even tarp material and somehow anchored it, put a layer of mulch or straw over it, something, you could make a stable flooring in your roundpen that would allow stephanie to take her scooter around. my friend ruth has grass in her roundpen area. her scooter has fat tires. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
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i think when they stick if you can get them to even LEANNN a little and you release pressure and praise it helps them figure it out. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
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Oh boy - I may not be up for that, but you and your friend are absolutely right about the power chair. Tosca leads beautifully beside it. We've also ground driven her from the chair. The other thing we've noticed is that all the dogs learn to heel quickly beside the wheel of a wheelchair. I wonder if it is less human and more mechanical, therefore concrete. The power chair does not do well in the sand of the round pen and arena. We tried having Stephanie work her pony in the round pen - it was a no go. Tosca looked at her and said, "You want me to WHAT?" I had another thought about Tosca's stopped feet. She seeme to learn abnormally fast and then get stuck on what she has decided I am going to ask of her. For instance, it seems as if she was worked (in her other life) first in one direction in the round pen, then in the other direction, then stopped and put away. SO that's her choice. First we go in one direction, then we go in the other. I ask her to whoa, she does and she's all through. She has learned (with a furrowed brow) that now we will be mixing it up a little, but she's still acting like I am the one that's confused. With young horses, I normally have a goal for a day's session. When it's met, we quit, even if it was a 10 minute lesson, ESPECIALLY if it was a 10 minute session. Tosca has been doing really well, so she's had some very short rides. I think her clock timed out yesterday. You know the drill, "I've done my ten minutes, let's go back to the barn." Nancy
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On 9/18/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nancy, I thought of something. Isn't your daughter in a scooter wheel chair? My friend Ruth has MS and rides in a scooter. I went on a ride with her one day and she saw that Fox was not good with me on the lead and I told her I had been working with him and he was a lot better. At first he would freak and not let me lead him at all and drag me like a water skier. but we had improved a lot but he would still rush me or drag behind. She said oh boy, do I have a method to help you... and turns out, horses very naturally for whatever reason will lead wonderfully beside one of these scooter things! I was amazed. Ruth and I speculated over it and we sorta mutually decided that when a human leads a horse, a horse can be very subtle in "encroaching", if you watch them at liberty sometimes the encroachment is invisible to us but the lead horse will lunge at them and not tolerate it. We surmised that a scooter will not "give" almost imperceibly like a human does when walking along. Anyway, for whatever reason, in about five minutes she was leading my fox everywhere on that scooter and he was a perfect gentleman and when she handed him off to me he stayed that way. Can your daughter lead Tosca for you in the RP?? Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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On 9/18/07, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay - let's go somewhere positive here. I rode Tosca in the arena this > morning for the first time and it went mostly how I expected it would. She > stood quietly to be mounted. She moved off readily when asked and made > several trips around the arena at the walk. Something scared her and she > jumped sideways and did a 180. I stayed with her well and just quietly > moved her back on the rail and kept riding her forward. > > Then she did what I sort of thought she might. She stopped dead in the > water and really didn't want to move ever again. > > She might have scared herself with her spook. The saddle doesn't fit well - > too long - so moving may not feel all that good. > > I didn't want to get after her and didn't have a whip anyway, so I just sat > there in the pretty morning sunshine until she moved forward on her own > and then I praised her lavishly. I think you did the absolutely perfect thing!! You stayed with her, you showed her that you would be patient with her, and you kept your cool and showed her that you are a leader that she can rely on. I bet the next time things will be 100% better. I don't think you need a leader at all. Robyn S
Re: [IceHorses] Training suggestions?
chris cox talks about starting a young horse and them getting "sticky". Its when they are afraid, unsettled about carrying a human on their back and how it feels. when they start forward you move and they feel like they have to run ahead, sorta like a person going down a steep hill will start running so they wont fall. A buck can even be a balance adjustment. it is good to have a person on the ground. a good way is to do things in the round pen on the ground, then mount, and have a person on the ground put them thru the same moves with you up there and they kinda "get it". When I first started mine we would go for long walks on the trail. then long walks waering a saddle and bridle. Then after mounting and ridden in the roundpen, long walks with me in the saddle and my husband on the ground, only thing different was me in the saddle. Then I had a paddock at the time just full of sapling trees. I rode hours in those trees, and when i would rein, i would do my leg and neck rein at the same time and they caught on really quickly to that. Wow, i just realize I kinda miss those days with my stonewall. he was my baby. now he is a teenage goofball :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Training suggestions?
> I didn't want to get after her and didn't have a whip anyway, so I just > sat > there in the pretty morning sunshine until she moved forward on her own > and then I praised her lavishly. > > If there'd been anyone around, I'd have had them lead her, but I was > alone. I think what you did was probably the right thing, whether or not someone else was available. The horse can't learn until he is calm and receptive, so waiting for that moment, is a good thing. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Training suggestions?
>>> I didn't want to get after her and didn't have a whip anyway, so I just sat there in the pretty morning sunshine until she moved forward on her own and then I praised her lavishly. Sounds like that was a good plan to me...:) If there'd been anyone around, I'd have had them lead her, but I was alone. And yes, before someone reminds me, 65 year old great grandmas probably should not be starting horses alone. Suggestions? Honestly, I'd say consider getting her a better fitting saddle as soon as you can. With another one coming up to start, and with both of them young, they will both be changing back shapes a good bit over the next 3-4 years. Have you considered a treeless saddle? I was breaking the bank buying new saddles until I found my Sensations. I don't like the Barefoots as well, but they will do the job, and I've seen more of them for sale used. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: 9/17/2007 1:29 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Training suggestions?
On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 12:54:58PM -0700, Nancy Sturm wrote: > Then she did what I sort of thought she might. She stopped dead in the > water and really didn't want to move ever again. > [...] > I didn't want to get after her and didn't have a whip anyway, so I just sat > there in the pretty morning sunshine until she moved forward on her own > and then I praised her lavishly. > > If there'd been anyone around, I'd have had them lead her, but I was alone. > And yes, before someone reminds me, 65 year old great grandmas probably > should not be starting horses alone. > > Suggestions? i know virtually nothing about starting young horses, but it sounds to me like you did exactly the right thing, and it's the same thing i'd suggest someone do on an older horse who'd scared themselves too. give them a minute to get their act together; praise them when they do. i don't think adding a whip would have been at all good for the situation -- might even have scared her more. a person on the ground might have helped her collect her wits quicker, but you won't always have such a person, as you've already discovered. so for what my free advice is worth, i think you're already fine :) --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Training suggestions?
you are very very brave and I am proud of you. also, to sit a 180 is pretty good riding... let her soak. think about what may have scared her. next time spend a longer tie before mounting until she seems just dead calm/bored. I imagine something about the riding/saddle scared her. so on the ground make sure you flap things around, wobble the saddle around, lay over the saddle and wave arms, all that desensitization stuff. all i can think of! maybe some treats. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Training Advice
On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 06:27:07PM -0700, Nancy Sturm wrote: > Here is my all time favorite bit of training advice from a 1965 book by > Alois Podhajski former director of the Spanish Riding School. > > "If this work begins under the rider he should not forget the youthfulness > and inexperience of his horse and show leniency to his faults, overlooking > playful bucking which is an expression of youthful gaiety to which the horse > is entitled. On no account should the horse be punished, but the rider must > make every effort not to be thrown off." > > Don't you just love that? that is awesome :) stjarni (a grand old thirteen) has never bucked under saddle that i've seen, but his "youthful gaiety" is highly in evidence when we're just running around and playing. long may his chunky behind wave :) --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] training
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 15:07:19 -0400, you wrote: >I understand that they don't encourage translation. What are they afraid of? Not making money from selling enough books, I think - I don't believe there's any hidden agenda. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] training
On 9/5/07 6:12 AM, "Mic Rushen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's a link to a translation (unofficial) from Walter Feldmann & > Katarina Rostock's "Islandperde-Reitlehre", also known as the "Blue > Bible". It was written about 25 years ago (that's a guess) and is > quite interesting. > > http://lamar.colostate.edu/~ahlgrimm/English/Islandpferdereitlehre_files/Chapt > erVGaits.pdf > > The whole thing has not been translated, unfortunately. > > Mic I understand that they don't encourage translation. What are they afraid of? Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] training
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:02:37 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > >I was wondering if this book is available? I would love to get, I don't read >German but I can pretty much figure it out by a few that I know and the >pictures. Try googling it. It's probably available on www.amzon.de Mc Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] training
http://lamar.colostate.edu/~ahlgrimm/English/Islandpferdereitlehre_files/ChapterVGaits.pdf Thanks! Feldmann acknowledges three-gaited Icelandics in the article. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] training
Hi Mic, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here's a link to a translation (unofficial) from Walter Feldmann & Katarina Rostock's "Islandperde-Reitlehre", also known as the "Blue Bible". It was written about 25 years ago (that's a guess) and is quite interesting. http://lamar.colostate.edu/~ahlgrimm/English/Islandpferdereitlehre_files/ChapterVGaits.pdf The whole thing has not been translated, unfortunately. I was wondering if this book is available? I would love to get, I don't read German but I can pretty much figure it out by a few that I know and the pictures. Thanks, Anne - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.
Re: [icehorses] Training Plan?
On 8/25/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Re-sending this with the correct subject: > > > Do you have a 'plan' that you follow in training? > > V > > Do I ever have a plan? I'm not sure. It's just basically working on > gait transitions mostly...I'm a long way from having anything set in > stone. > > Wanda > GREAT answer Wanda, I was just watching one of the very few and rare Tom Dorrance videos in existence. at the end the guy says "so is this what you suggest I work on when I get the horse home?" and Dorrance says "I always tell people when they ask this--- I can't say cause I have no idea what you intend to do to this horse when you get it home." haha. a good one. my training "plan" differs from horse to horse and varies from day to day. janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [icehorses] Training Plan?
Re-sending this with the correct subject: > Do you have a 'plan' that you follow in training? > V Do I ever have a plan? I'm not sure. It's just basically working on gait transitions mostly...I'm a long way from having anything set in stone. Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] Training At Liberty
Tradition is laid out for you. It is spelled out succinctly in more books than I can count. You CAN be imaginative within traditional methods, but it happens for fewer people than for those that use a clicker extensively. It's not a matter of intelligence...just creativity. I'm not sure I believe that. I've seen good trainers who are by most standards "traditional" and bad trainers who are "creative" or even "New Age."The best trainers are the ones who keep an open mind about the horse in front of them at the moment, and use whatever means they can to quickly made a bond to the horse. (I'm assuming in this context the writer means "traditional" to mean some blend of commonly used training methods used in the USA, nothing Icelandic specific...) Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/921 - Release Date: 7/26/2007 11:16 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block
> We mount all horses from the mounting block and with our starting young > horse clinic in a couple of weeks we will try and get some photos. That would be great! Thanks! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block
Hi Judy Wanda? Nancy? Karen? Susan? Kim? Who else is at the point of training to stand at the mounting block? We mount all horses from the mounting block and with our starting young horse clinic in a couple of weeks we will try and get some photos. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 09:46:14PM -0600, Robyn Schulze wrote: > Try this then--this is how I learned click training w/ a great local > dog trainer. Instead of carrying around a manual clicker, just click > w/ your tongue. i've always used a rather silly and exaggerated pronounciation of the word "bingo!" i suck at coordinating a real clicker too, but my beasts do seem to get the idea. my dog trainer did like clickers, but she recommended having or moving to a verbal signal as well, since you may not always have a clicker handy anyway. good luck! --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 08:37:37PM -0700, Nancy Sturm wrote: > OT - I just got home from a dog obedience class where the instructor uses > treat rewards. What a difference that made in working with my dog, a 14 > month old, 92 lb labrador retriever. good heavens yes, i love treat-based training (in general really). it was wonderful for my dog when i got her, a hyper-submissive, forty-pound five-year-old windhound. raised her confidence and trust and general joie de vivre very fast :) --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block
> Will it be a problem that I'm not a clicker trainer? I love the concept of > clicker training ... I'm just not particularly talented with the > clicking/treating coordination. Try this then--this is how I learned click training w/ a great local dog trainer. Instead of carrying around a manual clicker, just click w/ your tongue. Not that loud "cluck cluck" that some people use to ask a horse to move up, but a softer click sound. This way you don't have to fool around w/ coordinating a clicker box in your hand. You've got both hands free to handle the animal and dispense treats. And you don't have to be speedy w/ the treats either--the concept is that you use the click to tell the animal "Yes! You did the right thing and now you're getting a reward" whether it be food, release from work, a scratch in a favorite place, etc. That click is what you need to coordinate quickly w/ the behavior that you want. And sometimes the clicker box will fail, you won't hit the click properly, you drop it, etc. But I've never messed up clicking w/ my tongue. Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 05:05:30PM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote:
> > but I need some pictures of
> > > an Icelandic Horse being trained to the mounting
> > block. Can anyone do that
> > > for me?
> >
> > does it have to be clicker training? stjarni and i
> > are working on this
> > again
>
> It doesn't have to be clicker training. We promote
> any method of good horsemanship. Would be great to
> have pictures of you and Stjarni in a training
> article.
>
> Thanks!
alas, i should probably rescind this offer. i went up tonight to ride
and got there with no time to spare, so i dragged out the mounting block
(s is a bit tall for me to get on bareback from the ground) and lay
myself over his back. he backed up when i first approached with the
block, but as i put it next to him, climbed up, and threw my balance
to his mercy, he stood like a rock.
so i don't think he's forgotten enough of what we did with this last
time for us to get really good shots of him being "trained" again. i'm
sorry i didn't take pictures the first time through, it was pretty
funny. ("clearly she wants to get on, but there's this THING in the
way, i will helpfully swing out my hindquarters to make room...")
i may bring a camera to my next lesson with one of my students' horses
and see how he does with a mounting block -- he's an old western horse
and not used to one either. would that help? he's not an icey though,
my best guess is quarab.
thanks,
--vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block
I'll try to get Bruce to man the camera one night - maybe Thursday. I am currently working on teaching both Yrsa and Tosca to step up to the mounting block and stand quietly while I lie over their backs. It's actually going very well. Will it be a problem that I'm not a clicker trainer? I love the concept of clicker training ... I'm just not particularly talented with the clicking/treating coordination. OT - I just got home from a dog obedience class where the instructor uses treat rewards. What a difference that made in working with my dog, a 14 month old, 92 lb labrador retriever. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe you can, additionally, ask Mom to take some > stills?<< I'll ask my friend, Denise, on Friday to take some since she is coming over and I plan on getting on Andi again. Mom and I aren't speaking at the moment - mother/daughter thing, you know - too much history. >> How's Fireman?<< He is fine - taking mom on rides alone, but he is safe enough! Susan in NV Happy High Desert Trails Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
RE: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block
Wanda? Nancy? Karen? Susan? Kim? Who else is at the point of training to stand at the mounting block? I hope to be starting one or two under saddle in a month or two when I finish the project I'm working on. I'll look through some old pictures to see if I have any of any of the other horses. I may have some of Bjola. Karen Thomas, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block
> Did you see my you-tube link earlier in the week > getting Andi to the mounting block? Kinda up close > since I took it, so I don't know if you can use it. Yes, I saw it. It's still good to use. Maybe you can, additionally, ask Mom to take some stills? And / or a short video a little further away? :-) How's Fireman? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wanda? Nancy? Karen? Susan? Kim? Who else is at > the > point of training to stand at the mounting block?<< Did you see my you-tube link earlier in the week getting Andi to the mounting block? Kinda up close since I took it, so I don't know if you can use it. Susan in NV Happy High Desert Trails Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block
> It doesn't have to be clicker training. We promote > any method of good horsemanship. Would be great to > have pictures of you and Stjarni in a training > article. And anyone else! Wanda? Nancy? Karen? Susan? Kim? Who else is at the point of training to stand at the mounting block? The more, the better! This is a chance to be famous (or infamous :-)) Judy http://iceryder.net
Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block
> but I need some pictures of > > an Icelandic Horse being trained to the mounting > block. Can anyone do that > > for me? > > does it have to be clicker training? stjarni and i > are working on this > again It doesn't have to be clicker training. We promote any method of good horsemanship. Would be great to have pictures of you and Stjarni in a training article. Thanks! Judy http://iceryder.net
Re: [IceHorses] Training to the Mounting Block
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 04:31:55PM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote: > I have a page on training to the mounting block, but I need some pictures of > an Icelandic Horse being trained to the mounting block. Can anyone do that > for me? does it have to be clicker training? stjarni and i are working on this againand i know how to upload pix from my camera now :) i do it a bit differently though, in a way that involves hand-feeding treats and two people (one to hold and reassure and treat the pony, one to practice getting on and off or thereabouts), again something from my apprenticeship. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Training Horses for Evaluations
On 6/18/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let's see if we can get the people who show horses at evaluations to show > the horses more naturally, with their natural gaits. > > Let's see if we can get them to drop the shoes, nosebands, bits, tight > saddles, sitting on the loins, boots, whips, and heavy contact, so we can > really see what the horse does! i wish i had a video of my nasi in the pasture yesterday. My gosh that youngun can gait! I dont know what it was but it was pretty! I want to make sure I never EVER get in the way of that glorious natural gait! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Training Tosca
> Here is my boy Atli with a boy that has cerebral palsy. Nice boy, Atli! Thanks for the pictures! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Training Tosca
> I'm testing here to see if I've finally figured out how to reduce file > size. > The attached photo was taken this morning during a training session with > Tosca, who will become a therapy horse for our thirteen year old daughter Good job, Nancy! and thanks so much for the picture! Now you can send more! :-) Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Training Tosca
>>> I'm testing here to see if I've finally figured out how to reduce file size. The attached photo was taken this morning during a training session with Tosca, who will become a therapy horse for our thirteen year old daughter who has cerebral palsy. Looks like you did it right - nice picture! Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Training Tosca
>From: "ToltallyICE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >As a thank you the boy's grandmother sent me a drawing of Atli! Even though >it's very rough, done in charcoal I believe, you can see it is Atli. It is >very special to me! Great photos--beautiful horse! Send a pic of the drawing! V _ Check Out Our List Of Trendy Restaurants. You'll Eat It Up! http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!378
Re: [IceHorses] Training babies
>>>have been laying > across his back with no problems. Next step is to put > my leg over! Might do that in a couple of weeks. He > will be 4 in April! Oh, gosh, I'm a year behind you with Charm! I'm really looking forward to starting her. Thanks to everyone for posting their baby training pictures. I think it's really helpful to have them as reference. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Training babies
> I just couldn't stay away, especially now that I have 2 Iceys. You > were right, they are addictive. Hi Kat! What's your second one? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Training babies - Kat
>> I just couldn't stay away, especially now that I have 2 Iceys. You were right, they are addictive. Hey Kat, welcome back! Tell us about the new horse. You kept Dancer, and your neighbor took Saga? If there's another, you know we need pictures. Dancer is certainly looking all grown up! Karen Thomas, NC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: 2/20/2007 1:44 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Training babies
--- Kathleen Douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello old friends! > > I just couldn't stay away, especially now that I > have 2 Iceys. << Welcome back Kat! Are you going to the Liz Graves clinic in Washoe Valley in April that the fottrotter club is putting on? I am taking Whisper. I gelded Andi before Christmas and have been laying across his back with no problems. Next step is to put my leg over! Might do that in a couple of weeks. He will be 4 in April! See ya! Susan in NV Happy High Desert Trails Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html
Re: [IceHorses] Training babies
Hello old friends! I just couldn't stay away, especially now that I have 2 Iceys. You were right, they are addictive. Wanda, I had the same problem with Dancer. The snap -- even a light weight one -- swinging under his chin really bother him. I ended up using a rope halter and a lead with an eyelet at the end, they hook together to form a "continuos" length of rope with no hinge or swing point. Kat Dancer -- 7 months <>
Re: [IceHorses] Training babies
> In Lee's book, she talks about leading and how you have to give the > horse room for his head to nod.and a light went on. We've been > using a heavier lead line with a heavy brass clip and I think it's > been annoying Dagur. It's flopping too much. So it's back to the > drawing board for a lead line. Good observation, Wanda! I think that the horses may tend to do some type of gait on a tight or heavy lead line, that they may not do on a loose lead line. I used to teach infant swimming about twenty years ago, and it was hard for some of the moms to let the babies go when they were under water, but it was more advantageous to do so. If the moms hung on, the baby had to deal with her affect on his body as well as trying to maintain himself. If he was free to do what was natural, the baby would do really well. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Training babies
On 2/18/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We've been > using a heavier lead line with a heavy brass clip and I think it's > been annoying Dagur. It's flopping too much. I have a few with a loop and am in the process of becoming a dealer for a company who makes loop end lead. Check out Silver Tip Halters, they have some *nice* leads with loops. ;) I pretty much don't use anything with a snap anymore, it's so distracting. Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] Training and Sweat
Judy Ryder wrote: > "In training one always wants to go too fast. To arrive quickly, do not > hurry, but be firmly assured of each step. The lesson should be for the > horse, as for the horseman, a rewarding exercise, an instructive game which > never brings fatigue. When sweat begins to show, it is because the man has > gone too far." --Faverot de Kerbrech, 1891 I love this, Judy. You find some great quotes. I think my favorite Parelli saying is "Take the time it takes so it takes less time". I have to remind myself of this constantly. Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Training continues with Dagur
On 1/23/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > He was a good boy through it all. When Cara took the saddle off, she > let him study it. He certainly checked it out. Wow... Cara and I dress just alike. However, it's only in the mid 40's here. ;) I don't handle cold well... You bet I get some funny looks when I run errands in my ski bibs, ski vest, big riding coat, and huge boots before I go do chores. I want to come play with y'all... Everyone looks so happy. Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] Training the Boys
>> for a minute I thought he was going to grab it himself..."oh for >> heaven's sake...I'll do it."...but I finally managed to untwist it. >> > Cute pics! I managed to twist the halter up pretty good myself the > other day as my horse kept trying to put his head into it. He gave a > big sigh when I had to take it off and start all over... The farrier watched as I went to get Charm... she joked: "Oh, yeah, she's hard to catch, and doesn't want to be haltered she can't wait to put the halter on herself!" Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Training the Boys
Wanda Lauscher wrote: > I was clumsy getting his halter on, and > for a minute I thought he was going to grab it himself..."oh for > heaven's sake...I'll do it."...but I finally managed to untwist it. > Cute pics! I managed to twist the halter up pretty good myself the other day as my horse kept trying to put his head into it. He gave a big sigh when I had to take it off and start all over... Trish
