Re: primary Paris hotel booking
On 20 Jan 2012, at 00:37, Stuart Cheshire wrote: Good suggestion Brian. I just called our corporate travel department and got the same rate as IETF, including free Internet and breakfast, and cancel by 6 PM on check-in day. Nice if you have such a department :) I booked a room by fax and the email confirmation took 11 days to arrive, so don't expect a quick turnaround. Tim___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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On 3 Jan 2012, at 13:35, Brian E Carpenter wrote: There's a third case, paid a lower rate than the conference rate (usually due to a smart corporate travel agent). I've never understood why conferences don't get a corporate-equivalent rate. Brian Good suggestion Brian. I just called our corporate travel department and got the same rate as IETF, including free Internet and breakfast, and cancel by 6 PM on check-in day. Stuart Cheshire ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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I agree. In addition to that the pre-pay situation can be a major PITA for expensing purposes. We should add normal booking procedures to the hotel requirements list as well. --Tom On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:52 AM, George, Wes wrote: Happy New Year, it's time for our triannual hotel complaint thread. I hate to do it, but I think that there are people who haven't looked at this yet, and I'm hoping that we can perhaps rectify it before the majority of folks try to book: Instructions for making reservations at Hotel Concorde: Please fill out the reservations form and fax it directly to the hotel at: +33 1 57 00 50 79 or email it to cmas...@concorde-hotels.com It's 2012, but the IETF and this hotel chain expects us to book reservations at the main conference hotel by (international) FAX or by *emailing* a form which includes a credit card number so that the hotel can hold the room and implement its relatively bizarre prepay/anti-cancellation policy. Would it be trolling to ask whether anyone verified that cmasson has support for PGP encrypted-email and a proper method of securely storing (and then destroying after use) the several hundred credit card numbers they are about to receive? What person or rate code should we ask for when booking our rooms over the phone? (hey if I'm going old school, I'm doing it all the way!) Though, given the above, I'm relatively worried that my credit card number will simply end up on an unprotected spreadsheet on a PC somewhere in their office even if I call to book. More practically, the hotel blocks at the primary hotel typically fill up quite fast once registration is opened, especially since the overflow hotel is actually more expensive than the primary. Does the hotel fax/call us back to tell us that they have no more rooms available for our requested dates, or is the block open-ended such that they will keep selling rooms in it until the cutoff regardless of the number? Evidently ability to book group rate rooms online is something that should be added to our list of hotel requirements. I'm stunned that it's not there already. Wes George This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this E-mail and any printout. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
RE: primary Paris hotel booking
What person or rate code should we ask for when booking our rooms over the phone? (hey if I'm going old school, I'm doing it all the way!) The pdf has a reference number on it. eric ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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--On Tuesday, January 03, 2012 13:57 -0500 Thomas Nadeau tnad...@lucidvision.com wrote: ... I agree. In addition to that the pre-pay situation can be a major PITA for expensing purposes. We should add normal booking procedures to the hotel requirements list as well. It is a little worse than merely a PITA. I've worked for companies who would absolutely forbid making a reservation with a non-refundable deposit more than two months in advance of a meeting unless I was personally willing to assume the risk... and who might treat such a one-day fee as non-reimbursable even if I did stay in the hotel. The good news about Paris is that there is a large supply of hotels in a wide range of qualities and prices and the subway system is comprehensible and works very well.I sort of hate to suggest this, but, if the conditions and/or rates for the IETF-designated hotels don't seem reasonable, go elsewhere (just remember that no one will listen if you don't like the hotel Internet service).One might even speculate that, if a sufficiently large number of people refused to accept the Hotel Concorde's terms and conditions (booking policies, cancellation policies, or something else) and voted by refusing to book there, the IAOC might get the message far more clearly than any number of requests or complaints about what they should negotiate. john ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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The pre-pay is pretty annoying. And the if you cancel too late, we'll take all your money *really* annoys me. So much so that I booked on-line, direct with the hotel at a higher rate for a nicer room, but still better than the rate for the alternate hotel. And no-prepay and cancel by 4pm the arrival day or pay one day's room. I hate doing it this way - the IETF doesn't get any credit for rooms sold. Mike At 01:57 PM 1/3/2012, Thomas Nadeau wrote: I agree. In addition to that the pre-pay situation can be a major PITA for expensing purposes. We should add normal booking procedures to the hotel requirements list as well. --Tom On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:52 AM, George, Wes wrote: Happy New Year, it's time for our triannual hotel complaint thread. I hate to do it, but I think that there are people who haven't looked at this yet, and I'm hoping that we can perhaps rectify it before the majority of folks try to book: Instructions for making reservations at Hotel Concorde: Please fill out the reservations form and fax it directly to the hotel at: +33 1 57 00 50 79 or email it to cmas...@concorde-hotels.com It's 2012, but the IETF and this hotel chain expects us to book reservations at the main conference hotel by (international) FAX or by *emailing* a form which includes a credit card number so that the hotel can hold the room and implement its relatively bizarre prepay/anti-cancellation policy. Would it be trolling to ask whether anyone verified that cmasson has support for PGP encrypted-email and a proper method of securely storing (and then destroying after use) the several hundred credit card numbers they are about to receive? What person or rate code should we ask for when booking our rooms over the phone? (hey if I'm going old school, I'm doing it all the way!) Though, given the above, I'm relatively worried that my credit card number will simply end up on an unprotected spreadsheet on a PC somewhere in their office even if I call to book. More practically, the hotel blocks at the primary hotel typically fill up quite fast once registration is opened, especially since the overflow hotel is actually more expensive than the primary. Does the hotel fax/call us back to tell us that they have no more rooms available for our requested dates, or is the block open-ended such that they will keep selling rooms in it until the cutoff regardless of the number? Evidently ability to book group rate rooms online is something that should be added to our list of hotel requirements. I'm stunned that it's not there already. Wes George This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this E-mail and any printout. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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One might even speculate that, if a sufficiently large number of people refused to accept the Hotel Concorde's terms and conditions (booking policies, cancellation policies, or something else) and voted by refusing to book there, the IAOC might get the message far more clearly than any number of requests or complaints about what they should negotiate. Much though it pains me to agree with John so early in the year and risk the precedent... +1 ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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Actually (s), the IETF *does* get credit for rooms sold. We reconcile the attendee list with hotel guests. Go for it. On Jan 3, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Michael StJohns wrote: The pre-pay is pretty annoying. And the if you cancel too late, we'll take all your money *really* annoys me. So much so that I booked on-line, direct with the hotel at a higher rate for a nicer room, but still better than the rate for the alternate hotel. And no-prepay and cancel by 4pm the arrival day or pay one day's room. I hate doing it this way - the IETF doesn't get any credit for rooms sold. Mike At 01:57 PM 1/3/2012, Thomas Nadeau wrote: I agree. In addition to that the pre-pay situation can be a major PITA for expensing purposes. We should add normal booking procedures to the hotel requirements list as well. --Tom On Jan 3, 2012, at 11:52 AM, George, Wes wrote: Happy New Year, it's time for our triannual hotel complaint thread. I hate to do it, but I think that there are people who haven't looked at this yet, and I'm hoping that we can perhaps rectify it before the majority of folks try to book: Instructions for making reservations at Hotel Concorde: Please fill out the reservations form and fax it directly to the hotel at: +33 1 57 00 50 79 or email it to cmas...@concorde-hotels.com It's 2012, but the IETF and this hotel chain expects us to book reservations at the main conference hotel by (international) FAX or by *emailing* a form which includes a credit card number so that the hotel can hold the room and implement its relatively bizarre prepay/anti-cancellation policy. Would it be trolling to ask whether anyone verified that cmasson has support for PGP encrypted-email and a proper method of securely storing (and then destroying after use) the several hundred credit card numbers they are about to receive? What person or rate code should we ask for when booking our rooms over the phone? (hey if I'm going old school, I'm doing it all the way!) Though, given the above, I'm relatively worried that my credit card number will simply end up on an unprotected spreadsheet on a PC somewhere in their office even if I call to book. More practically, the hotel blocks at the primary hotel typically fill up quite fast once registration is opened, especially since the overflow hotel is actually more expensive than the primary. Does the hotel fax/call us back to tell us that they have no more rooms available for our requested dates, or is the block open-ended such that they will keep selling rooms in it until the cutoff regardless of the number? Evidently ability to book group rate rooms online is something that should be added to our list of hotel requirements. I'm stunned that it's not there already. Wes George This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this E-mail and any printout. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Re: primary Paris hotel booking
On 01/03/2012 08:52 AM, George, Wes wrote: Happy New Year, it's time for our triannual hotel complaint thread. I hate to do it, but I think that there are people who haven't looked at this yet, and I'm hoping that we can perhaps rectify it before the majority of folks try to book: Instructions for making reservations at Hotel Concorde: Please fill out the reservations form and fax it directly to the hotel at: +33 1 57 00 50 79 or email it to cmas...@concorde-hotels.com I crossed my fingers and clicked 'send' of the PDF with my credit card number in it. I didn't pay enough attention to the no-refund policy. :-( I emailed my reservation on 12/22 and got a confirmation email on 12/26. So far, my credit card has not been charged anything. I think there should always be a full-refund cut-off date for the IETF hotel, even if it is 2 months in advance. I thought the cut-off was 15 days, but that is just for 2 more nights billed in advance, not the first night. Andy ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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--On Tuesday, January 03, 2012 15:54 -0500 Eric Burger ebur...@standardstrack.com wrote: Actually (s), the IETF *does* get credit for rooms sold. We reconcile the attendee list with hotel guests. Go for it. In a way, that is really too bad. If people find the cancellation or other) policies problematic enough to actually change their behavior (as distinct from whining), it would be good for the IAOC to get that message in a way that was clear and couldn't be avoided. If you don't incur a penalty for failure to fill a block and/or can't really tell paid a higher rate to get a better policy from reserved after the block was full or past the deadline, then there are few, if any, incentives for telling a hotel that these sort of policies won't do. john ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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On 2012-01-04 10:03, John C Klensin wrote: --On Tuesday, January 03, 2012 15:54 -0500 Eric Burger ebur...@standardstrack.com wrote: Actually (s), the IETF *does* get credit for rooms sold. We reconcile the attendee list with hotel guests. Go for it. In a way, that is really too bad. If people find the cancellation or other) policies problematic enough to actually change their behavior (as distinct from whining), it would be good for the IAOC to get that message in a way that was clear and couldn't be avoided. If you don't incur a penalty for failure to fill a block and/or can't really tell paid a higher rate to get a better policy from reserved after the block was full or past the deadline, then there are few, if any, incentives for telling a hotel that these sort of policies won't do. There's a third case, paid a lower rate than the conference rate (usually due to a smart corporate travel agent). I've never understood why conferences don't get a corporate-equivalent rate. Brian ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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I do not know why hotels will not put it into a contract; believe me we try. I call this the double-secret discount. It would be nice if the hotels gave us Most Favored Nation status, but since they do not, and no hotel has, this is the next best thing. On Jan 3, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 2012-01-04 10:03, John C Klensin wrote: --On Tuesday, January 03, 2012 15:54 -0500 Eric Burger ebur...@standardstrack.com wrote: Actually (s), the IETF *does* get credit for rooms sold. We reconcile the attendee list with hotel guests. Go for it. In a way, that is really too bad. If people find the cancellation or other) policies problematic enough to actually change their behavior (as distinct from whining), it would be good for the IAOC to get that message in a way that was clear and couldn't be avoided. If you don't incur a penalty for failure to fill a block and/or can't really tell paid a higher rate to get a better policy from reserved after the block was full or past the deadline, then there are few, if any, incentives for telling a hotel that these sort of policies won't do. There's a third case, paid a lower rate than the conference rate (usually due to a smart corporate travel agent). I've never understood why conferences don't get a corporate-equivalent rate. Brian ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Andy Bierman a...@netconfcentral.org wrote: On 01/03/2012 08:52 AM, George, Wes wrote: Happy New Year, it's time for our triannual hotel complaint thread. I hate to do it, but I think that there are people who haven't looked at this yet, and I'm hoping that we can perhaps rectify it before the majority of folks try to book: Instructions for making reservations at Hotel Concorde: Please fill out the reservations form and fax it directly to the hotel at: +33 1 57 00 50 79 or email it to cmas...@concorde-hotels.com I crossed my fingers and clicked 'send' of the PDF with my credit card number in it. I didn't pay enough attention to the no-refund policy. :-( I emailed my reservation on 12/22 and got a confirmation email on 12/26. So far, my credit card has not been charged anything. I think there should always be a full-refund cut-off date for the IETF hotel, even if it is 2 months in advance. I thought the cut-off was 15 days, but that is just for 2 more nights billed in advance, not the first night. Actually, that's unclear. I've read the form several times. It says you lose any non-refudable deposit. And it says the two-day charge is non-refundable. But it never says that the initial one-day charge is non-refundable... Thanks, Donald = Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e...@gmail.com Andy ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
