Re: [fsug-tvm] Contribute-alike agreement.

2010-05-22 Thread nishandh M
yeah. nice to hear that.
I too have a feeling that this wont work in FOSS, as you said,Especially in
software development sector.
In service sector, it is little different i think.(the first post didnt
thrust on the 'service' sector)
While software development is a thrilling effort, service could be like
repeating the same thing many many times..  It may not be that inspiring to
everybody . (though there are exceptions. There are un-perspiring people
inside) I think it would certainly be cool to get a commitment from the
benificiary. how ever small it is. Like I made a traffic board straight or
I gave my old text book to this school boy or i invited my friend to play
a game in my FOSS systemor anything like that.

  Fsug-Tvm has 14375  messages until today. hoping one fifth of it are
queries (2875) from the end-users[ non-code contributing/non bug reporting ]
and half of them made some commitments, we would see some 1437.5 positive
social activities. If all these would be put in a web site,it would be
really cool to see. It would certainly pull more contributors to the list.
It would be a refreshing activity to reply to querries then, even if it is
pakka repetition. What if the beneficiary attributes the activity to those
who responds to their quiries? it would certainly be great to 'feel with
fingers' the impact you made in the society.
And those people who just cant ask for help without presenting a
reciprocating gift, would be very happy to ask for help. There are a million
people who just wont take free lunch, even in the form of free service :)
.Will be good, if they have a space for showing how they give back..


Obligation would always make it harmfull, but a platform to express would be
nice know?

Certainly, would like to hear more, when you are free ..









On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Robin S. Parriath
robinparri...@gmail.comwrote:

  Hey Nishandh,

 See my comments inline.


 On 05/18/2010 10:09 PM, nishandh M wrote:

 Hi everybody, would you mind making a choice / comment ?
 I am not standing on any side in this thread, just would like some opinions
 please. hope there wont be flaming, I understand the content is little
 irritating.

 Ideas aren't irritating.  Only the tone in which they are put forward.  I,
 for one, don't find this irritating/annoying/worth flaming.  ;-)



  0) Is there any need, to prevent social parasites feeding on the
 contributors effort?  (NO/YES)

 No.  Social parasites as you call them are the typical end users.  They
 want to use stuff without having to bother about how it is made or the
 philosophy behind it.
 Preventing them from using applications would be detrimental to the
 Free/Open Source, as they would simply switch to pirated products.  This
 would unwittingly reduce demand for FLOSS products and thus the demand for
 the contributors.  (If required, I'll explain my point further with examples
 after my exams  :-D .)




  2) If there is an need, how do we accomplish it?
 Share the specific distro only among those who sign a *contribute-alike*
  licence?
 Contribute alike is an agreement which is formed between Distro developer
 community ( structured FOSS service provider community ). Its states the
 users should contribute.

 I don't see a need.  The user base for most successful opensource product
 roughly looks like this:

 90%- Users (no contribution)
 09%- Bug reporters and contributors in other ways
 01%- Developers

 (I'm writing these proportions out of memory.  The actual is probably
 slightly different.  However, it is a good approximation.)

 This isn't necessarily  a bad thing.  The more the number of people, the
 more the demand for the product, and it is this demand that fuels growth for
 the product and it's contributors.

 Note:  The success of a product is not how many contributors it has, but
 how many users it has.  Any effort to curb this number will reflect badly on
 the product.




  3) *What all could be the terms of a contribute-alike license?*

   a) Support the developers with resonable donations in cash.

  If the developers want to ask for cash, they can sell the product/services
 or ask for donations.  All open source licenses allow this.
 And people do contribute to keep their favourite projects alive.  eg:
 wikipedia




  b) Make an obligate (relaxed) agreement on the user would contribut to
 FOSS

  If end users are bothered with obligations, they will choose not to be
 obligated at all.




  c) Time-bank (spend some hours in any way good for the socety. any
 progressive way, not only IT service)

 kudu...@yahoogroups.com   discusses time banking concepts around kerala.(I
 am not the lead, i am just an ardent reader of time banking)
 http://www.timebanks.org/,
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-based_currency are interesting reads.

  Like you pointed out in an earlier thread, there are a class of people
 who cannot be bothered with these. (doctors, etc.)




   d) Making a commitment would make 

Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Nautilus SVN-Taking Time to load

2010-05-22 Thread Jemshid KK
I am using ubuntu 9.04

Here is the output of my attempt to install nautilussvn.

sudo apt-get install nautilussvn
[sudo] password for kake:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Package nautilussvn is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
However the following packages replace it:
  rabbitvcs-core
E: Package nautilussvn has no installation candidate

I have rabbitvcs installed. But it is buggy / hanging in my system.


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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Nautilus SVN-Taking Time to load

2010-05-22 Thread Jemshid KK
Error: Breaks exisiting package 'rabbitvcs-core' conflict: nautilussvn ( )

erro message when attempted to install from the file you have sent.
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Nautilus SVN-Taking Time to load

2010-05-22 Thread Vishnu Jyothi
First Uninstall the The previous one, ie rabbitvcs.It may be cause of
conflict issue


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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Nautilus SVN-Taking Time to load

2010-05-22 Thread Jemshid KK
Managed to isntall. Thank you.
Jemshid KK


On 22 May 2010 14:50:28 UTC+5:30, Vishnu Jyothi vjm...@gmail.com wrote:

 First Uninstall the The previous one, ie rabbitvcs.It may be cause of
 conflict issue


 On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Jemshid KK jemshi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Error: Breaks exisiting package 'rabbitvcs-core' conflict: nautilussvn ( )

 erro message when attempted to install from the file you have sent.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] VP8 to be open sourced Lightworks video editor goes opensource..

2010-05-22 Thread Mohamed Naufal
On 21 May 2010 20:09, Visakh gokulda...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 On May 20, 10:15 pm, Mohamed Naufal naufa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Something for the technically minded:
 The first in-depth technical analysis of VP8
 (http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=377)

 Cheers
 Naufal


  Thanks a lot for the link. Unfortunately, this article is not very
 confidence inspiring. It seems to suggest that VP8 is inferior to H.
 264 and that it is a patent bomb. Anyway, the truth will be known
 soon. Meanwhile, Google's silence about VP8 - even during its release-
 is very unnerving.


Take a look at this:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/21/mpegla_mulls_patent_license_for_webm/

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Gnome sidebar themes.

2010-05-22 Thread BINNY THOMAS
  Hi,

 @Manuel

  It looks good. I will try that out. Thanks for the tip.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] dolphin drag and drop

2010-05-22 Thread Syam
 The default is copying if it is performed between two physically different
 partitions AFAIK. However, you can press Ctrl key while dragging to force
 copying.

That's how Windows Explorer does it. If I remember right, Dolphin
gives you menu up-on drag to choose between copy, move and link.
Anyway, Ctrl key forces a copy and Shift key forces a move.


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[fsug-tvm] How to kill a process (when it is not responding)

2010-05-22 Thread Srihari k
Recently my wvdial has been causing problems
whenever my mobile gprs disconnects -wvdial should normally redial.
But now it hangs showing /dev/rfcomm1 Input/output error
It hangs-- it doesn't quit on Ctrl+C.
So the only way i found was to kill wvdial...

i do a sudo pkill wvdial

i check using ps -A but wvdial is still there

i also tried using kill -9 pid

By not killing wvdial the /dev/rfcomm1 is shown in use...i cant dial
using any other wvdial..


How to kill wvdial?

If i cant kill wvdial ,how to free /dev/rfcomm1 ?

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Re: [fsug-tvm] How to kill a process (when it is not responding)

2010-05-22 Thread Rajiv Nair
 - To kill wvidial completely do a sudo killall -9 wvdial
 - To release rfcomm run sudo rfcomm release /dev/rfcomm1

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[fsug-tvm] repository package for ubuntu 9.10 offline instalation

2010-05-22 Thread ganesh
similar to the repository package here given for lucid can i get a
package suitable for karmic containing all codecs and all that stuff
that lucids package had for an offline installation.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] dolphin drag and drop

2010-05-22 Thread Kartik Singhal
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Syam sya...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's how Windows Explorer does it. If I remember right, Dolphin
 gives you menu up-on drag to choose between copy, move and link.
 Anyway, Ctrl key forces a copy and Shift key forces a move.


Sorry, I forgot to take notice of KDE there. I was telling about Nautilus on
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Re: [fsug-tvm] How to kill a process (when it is not responding)

2010-05-22 Thread Srihari k
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Rajiv Nair rajivnair...@gmail.com wrote:
  - To kill wvidial completely do a sudo killall -9 wvdial
  - To release rfcomm run sudo rfcomm release /dev/rfcomm1


That doesnt help too..
Here is more about my problem:
This is how things happen:
wvdial was connected and fine.The mobile gprs connection breaks ,this
leads wvdial to redial.If the phone is not responding properly (GPRS
still not available)wvdial stays at a stand still.I end it using a
Ctrl+C.Now i manually start wvdial again.This time again wvdial stands
still.(Nothing beinf sent out to modem.I try o Ctrl+C but doesn't
work.I try to kill wvdial from other terminals with sudo.I again try
to dial up using wvdial and this happens:


[srih...@trinity ~]$ sudo wvdial aircelgprs
-- WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.61
-- Cannot open /dev/rfcomm1: Device or resource busy
-- Cannot open /dev/rfcomm1: Device or resource busy
-- Cannot open /dev/rfcomm1: Device or resource busy


[srih...@trinity ~]$ sudo rfcomm show all
rfcomm1: 00:24:7D:61:6C:91 channel 1 disconnecting [tty-attached]
rfcomm2: 00:24:7D:61:6C:91 channel 3 clean

[srih...@trinity ~]$ sudo rfcomm release /dev/rfcomm1

[srih...@trinity ~]$ sudo rfcomm show all
rfcomm2: 00:24:7D:61:6C:91 channel 3 clean

[srih...@trinity ~]$ sudo wvdial aircelgprs
-- WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.61
-- Cannot open /dev/rfcomm1: Device or resource busy
-- Cannot open /dev/rfcomm1: Device or resource busy
-- Cannot open /dev/rfcomm1: Device or resource busy
[srih...@trinity ~]$ ps -A|grep wvdial
 3281 pts/100:00:00 wvdial
[srih...@trinity ~]$ sudo kill -9 3281
[srih...@trinity ~]$ ps -A|grep wvdial
 3281 pts/100:00:00 wvdial
[srih...@trinity ~]$

I hope it is clear.I have pasted the full log here:-
http://pastebin.com/R8LfhiYkL
PEASE check it and let me know what is wrong.


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Re: [fsug-tvm] How to kill a process (when it is not responding)

2010-05-22 Thread Joji Antony
@Srihari

If the program starts as a service, it will be automatically restarted
every time you kill it. On a Debian system you can stop,restart etc
the service by

sudo service wvdial stop|restart|start

etc

If the service command is not available on your box, you need to
find the initialization script in /etc/init.d folder, I think. Look for
files
that are named similar like wvdial.

I dont know if that is your problem, but HTH

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[fsug-tvm] Ubuntu Offline Install Package

2010-05-22 Thread alan alan
I got this link http://ubuntuone.com/p/2yv/ from a previous mail in this
list. But, I can't download the file. When i click, it isn't loading. Is
there any other source? It's urgent.

Authors, please help!

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Re: [fsug-tvm] repository package for ubuntu 9.10 offline instalation

2010-05-22 Thread Adhin D
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 11:27 PM, ganesh ganeshredco...@gmail.com wrote:

 similar to the repository package here given for lucid can i get a
 package suitable for karmic containing all codecs and all that stuff
 that lucids package had for an offline installation.


I have an AptonCD image for Karmic. I'll give it if that is enough for
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[fsug-tvm] installation of mint9

2010-05-22 Thread Midhun Aashan
hi guyz i have downloaded the linux mint9 iso dvd image from the mint
website.Then i burned it in to the dvd.
but when iam trying to boot it 
the boot option comes up like(auto boot in 5secs.)
after 5 secs it starts another screen which includes
loading isolinux
loading initlinux or something like that...
then
ready
after that the screen goes nd black screen appears nd the black screen
remains forever nd nothing comes after that...

so i have searched in the google about this nd they asked me to check
the md5sum of the original iso image from the website nd compare it
with the dowloaded one
then i compared it .
but both are the same
and it indicates that no corruption occured on downloading..

so what is actually the problem?
now u will say that the way i burned the image to dvd is wrong
but i have already burned 3 dvd's of the same iso image
using(k3b,brasero) and in all cases the burning was 100% succes with
no error messages

so what can i do with all those dvd's??
the error case is same for all three dvd's (when trying to boot)

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[fsug-tvm] hi friends anybody downloaded total repositories of ubuntu 10.04

2010-05-22 Thread raghu ram
friends,
i am posing this question again and again till now no reply for me
can i get all repositories of ubuntu 10.04 dvds..
are they available at zyxware???

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Re: [fsug-tvm] hi friends anybody downloaded total repositories of ubuntu 10.04

2010-05-22 Thread Prasad SR
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 9:41 AM, raghu ram raghuramsusa...@gmail.comwrote:

 friends,
 i am posing this question again and again till now no reply for me
 can i get all repositories of ubuntu 10.04 dvds..
 are they available at zyxware???

download not complete. I have 4 DVDs (5,6,7and 8) with me other 4 scheduled
(If any one of you have other DVDs please let me know). The service provider
is choking me. :( Hope will complete by next week.
Zyxware is mirroring the Repo. 50GB downloaded till now (both x86 and x64)
10GB to go. So that too will be completed by this week.


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Re: [fsug-tvm] Internet Connection Slows down on Debian

2010-05-22 Thread perfect indian
we cant understand actually what is ur problem. whatever why u do uninstall
gnome? is it possible for  a lay man

On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Joji Antony simula67.fsug...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello Everyone.

 I am using Debian Squeeze and I have a wierd issue. I am using Asianet
 HomeNet 475
 and my connection speed drops completely on my Debian alone after 2pm. It
 is very
 limiting to have fast and free internet access on Windows alone, you know?
 I
 completely uninstalled my gnome and have no network manager. Could this be
 the
 issue? Since this is a localized issue I cant find an answer from Google. I
 hope some
 Linux Guru would help shed some light as to why this happens. It completely
 baffles
 me.

 Thanks in advance.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] How to kill a process (when it is not responding)

2010-05-22 Thread Srihari k
On 23/05/2010, Joji Antony simula67.fsug...@gmail.com wrote:
 @Srihari

 If the program starts as a service, it will be automatically restarted
 every time you kill it. On a Debian system you can stop,restart etc
 the service by

 sudo service wvdial stop|restart|start

 etc

 If the service command is not available on your box, you need to
 find the initialization script in /etc/init.d folder, I think. Look for
 files
 that are named similar like wvdial.

@Joji Antony
No wvdial is not a service.

Can anyone please check this log and tell me where is the problem?In
wvdial or bluetooth (bluez) or kernel ?

http://pastebin.com/R8LfhiYk

 I dont know if that is your problem, but HTH

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