[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
Thanks Visakh for detailed Research . Now its clear. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Visakh wrote: > > Hi, > Let me clarify a few points: > > 1) Using ASP may not be against our IT policy- its just a scripting > language. But it is an indicator that the server is an IIS running on > a windoze server. Isn't that against our IT policy of favouring FOSS? > > 2) The site has 2 parts: > > i) The home part that is hosted in Canada with IP addr: > 216.55.97.83. Its HTTP header names its server as: "Apache/1.3.41 > (Unix) PHP/4.4.4 mod_ssl/2.8.31 OpenSSL/0.9.8g" > > ii) A part that deals with student info, registration etc (http:// > kucc.keralauniversity.edu). This is our controversial subject. It is > hosted in India (NIB) with IP addr: 210.212.239.17. Its HTTP header > names its server as: "Microsoft-IIS/6.0" > > Its not possible to entirely believe these information, since it is > possible to spoof server info. It can be concluded only on the basis > of other clues. But atleast in this case, the info seems reliable. > > Regards, > Gokul Das > > On May 15, 12:16 pm, Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS > wrote: > > Site header says, > > *Apache/1.3.41 (Unix) PHP/4.4.4 mod_ssl/2.8.31 OpenSSL/0.9.8g * > > > > -- My Site http://everlovingyouth.googlepages.com My Technical Write http://acutedeveloper.blogspot.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
Hi, Let me clarify a few points: 1) Using ASP may not be against our IT policy- its just a scripting language. But it is an indicator that the server is an IIS running on a windoze server. Isn't that against our IT policy of favouring FOSS? 2) The site has 2 parts: i) The home part that is hosted in Canada with IP addr: 216.55.97.83. Its HTTP header names its server as: "Apache/1.3.41 (Unix) PHP/4.4.4 mod_ssl/2.8.31 OpenSSL/0.9.8g" ii) A part that deals with student info, registration etc (http:// kucc.keralauniversity.edu). This is our controversial subject. It is hosted in India (NIB) with IP addr: 210.212.239.17. Its HTTP header names its server as: "Microsoft-IIS/6.0" Its not possible to entirely believe these information, since it is possible to spoof server info. It can be concluded only on the basis of other clues. But atleast in this case, the info seems reliable. Regards, Gokul Das On May 15, 12:16 pm, Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS wrote: > Site header says, > *Apache/1.3.41 (Unix) PHP/4.4.4 mod_ssl/2.8.31 OpenSSL/0.9.8g * --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
Site header says, *Apache/1.3.41 (Unix) PHP/4.4.4 mod_ssl/2.8.31 OpenSSL/0.9.8g * On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Aneesh A wrote: > Changed!!! > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Aneesh A wrote: > >> I said that I have mistaken >> >> >> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Aneesh A wrote: >> >>> I will edit soon. >>> >>> 2009/5/15 Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS >>> >>> But the blog still says it :D On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Aneesh A wrote: > *Sorry Mistaken* > > 2009/5/14 Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS > >> Oru doubt >> >> using asp is against our >> Against our IT policy ??? >> >> >> >> enkil cdit chyuna mikka situm adachu pootendivarum :) >> >> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Visakh wrote: >> >>> ഉണ്ടെങ്കില് ഒരു പത്തെണ്ണം പോരട്ടേ! തീര്ക്കുന്ന കാര്യം ഞാനേറ്റു! :D >>> >>> On May 14, 7:58 am, Prasad SR wrote: >>> > >> Right now, I am down with a fever >>> > >>> >sticker ഒട്ടിച്ച ആപ്പിള് കൊണ്ടുവരാണോ? :D >>> > >>> > . >>> > -- >>> > -- >>> > Regards, >>> > >>> > Prasad.S.R >>> > >>> > " You can either ask me to do something. >>> > Or tell me how you want it done. Not both. >>> > If you already know best how to do it, just do it yourself." >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> My Site >> http://everlovingyouth.googlepages.com >> My Technical Write >> http://acutedeveloper.blogspot.com >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Call me: > 9447926826 > > For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Linux & > Windows Installation etc. > > Visit my blig > > http://xtenders.blogspot.com/ > > Earn money > > > http://www.rupeemail.in/rupeemail/invite.do?in=MTY0NTQxJSMlaHlzaUt4V29EVkJVNFNxdTYwYWt0MzVDTw== > > http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref4064290 > > > -- My Site http://everlovingyouth.googlepages.com My Technical Write http://acutedeveloper.blogspot.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Call me: >>> 9447926826 >>> >>> For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Linux & >>> Windows Installation etc. >>> >>> Visit my blig >>> >>> http://xtenders.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> Earn money >>> >>> >>> http://www.rupeemail.in/rupeemail/invite.do?in=MTY0NTQxJSMlaHlzaUt4V29EVkJVNFNxdTYwYWt0MzVDTw== >>> >>> http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref4064290 >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Call me: >> 9447926826 >> >> For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Linux & >> Windows Installation etc. >> >> Visit my blig >> >> http://xtenders.blogspot.com/ >> >> Earn money >> >> >> http://www.rupeemail.in/rupeemail/invite.do?in=MTY0NTQxJSMlaHlzaUt4V29EVkJVNFNxdTYwYWt0MzVDTw== >> >> http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref4064290 >> > > > > -- > Call me: > 9447926826 > > For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Linux & > Windows Installation etc. > > Visit my blig > > http://xtenders.blogspot.com/ > > Earn money > > > http://www.rupeemail.in/rupeemail/invite.do?in=MTY0NTQxJSMlaHlzaUt4V29EVkJVNFNxdTYwYWt0MzVDTw== > > http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref4064290 > > > > -- My Site http://everlovingyouth.googlepages.com My Technical Write http://acutedeveloper.blogspot.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
Changed!!! On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Aneesh A wrote: > I said that I have mistaken > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Aneesh A wrote: > >> I will edit soon. >> >> 2009/5/15 Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS >> >> But the blog still says it :D >>> >>> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Aneesh A wrote: >>> *Sorry Mistaken* 2009/5/14 Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS > Oru doubt > > using asp is against our > Against our IT policy ??? > > > > enkil cdit chyuna mikka situm adachu pootendivarum :) > > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Visakh wrote: > >> ഉണ്ടെങ്കില് ഒരു പത്തെണ്ണം പോരട്ടേ! തീര്ക്കുന്ന കാര്യം ഞാനേറ്റു! :D >> >> On May 14, 7:58 am, Prasad SR wrote: >> > >> Right now, I am down with a fever >> > >> >sticker ഒട്ടിച്ച ആപ്പിള് കൊണ്ടുവരാണോ? :D >> > >> > . >> > -- >> > -- >> > Regards, >> > >> > Prasad.S.R >> > >> > " You can either ask me to do something. >> > Or tell me how you want it done. Not both. >> > If you already know best how to do it, just do it yourself." >> >> > > > -- > My Site > http://everlovingyouth.googlepages.com > My Technical Write > http://acutedeveloper.blogspot.com > > > > -- Call me: 9447926826 For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Linux & Windows Installation etc. Visit my blig http://xtenders.blogspot.com/ Earn money http://www.rupeemail.in/rupeemail/invite.do?in=MTY0NTQxJSMlaHlzaUt4V29EVkJVNFNxdTYwYWt0MzVDTw== http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref4064290 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> My Site >>> http://everlovingyouth.googlepages.com >>> My Technical Write >>> http://acutedeveloper.blogspot.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Call me: >> 9447926826 >> >> For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Linux & >> Windows Installation etc. >> >> Visit my blig >> >> http://xtenders.blogspot.com/ >> >> Earn money >> >> >> http://www.rupeemail.in/rupeemail/invite.do?in=MTY0NTQxJSMlaHlzaUt4V29EVkJVNFNxdTYwYWt0MzVDTw== >> >> http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref4064290 >> > > > > -- > Call me: > 9447926826 > > For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Linux & > Windows Installation etc. > > Visit my blig > > http://xtenders.blogspot.com/ > > Earn money > > > http://www.rupeemail.in/rupeemail/invite.do?in=MTY0NTQxJSMlaHlzaUt4V29EVkJVNFNxdTYwYWt0MzVDTw== > > http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref4064290 > -- Call me: 9447926826 For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Linux & Windows Installation etc. Visit my blig http://xtenders.blogspot.com/ Earn money http://www.rupeemail.in/rupeemail/invite.do?in=MTY0NTQxJSMlaHlzaUt4V29EVkJVNFNxdTYwYWt0MzVDTw== http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref4064290 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
I said that I have mistaken On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Aneesh A wrote: > I will edit soon. > > 2009/5/15 Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS > > But the blog still says it :D >> >> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Aneesh A wrote: >> >>> *Sorry Mistaken* >>> >>> 2009/5/14 Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS >>> Oru doubt using asp is against our Against our IT policy ??? enkil cdit chyuna mikka situm adachu pootendivarum :) On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Visakh wrote: > ഉണ്ടെങ്കില് ഒരു പത്തെണ്ണം പോരട്ടേ! തീര്ക്കുന്ന കാര്യം ഞാനേറ്റു! :D > > On May 14, 7:58 am, Prasad SR wrote: > > >> Right now, I am down with a fever > > > >sticker ഒട്ടിച്ച ആപ്പിള് കൊണ്ടുവരാണോ? :D > > > > . > > -- > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Prasad.S.R > > > > " You can either ask me to do something. > > Or tell me how you want it done. Not both. > > If you already know best how to do it, just do it yourself." > > -- My Site http://everlovingyouth.googlepages.com My Technical Write http://acutedeveloper.blogspot.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Call me: >>> 9447926826 >>> >>> For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Linux & >>> Windows Installation etc. >>> >>> Visit my blig >>> >>> http://xtenders.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> Earn money >>> >>> >>> http://www.rupeemail.in/rupeemail/invite.do?in=MTY0NTQxJSMlaHlzaUt4V29EVkJVNFNxdTYwYWt0MzVDTw== >>> >>> http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref4064290 >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> My Site >> http://everlovingyouth.googlepages.com >> My Technical Write >> http://acutedeveloper.blogspot.com >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Call me: > 9447926826 > > For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Linux & > Windows Installation etc. > > Visit my blig > > http://xtenders.blogspot.com/ > > Earn money > > > http://www.rupeemail.in/rupeemail/invite.do?in=MTY0NTQxJSMlaHlzaUt4V29EVkJVNFNxdTYwYWt0MzVDTw== > > http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref4064290 > -- Call me: 9447926826 For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Linux & Windows Installation etc. Visit my blig http://xtenders.blogspot.com/ Earn money http://www.rupeemail.in/rupeemail/invite.do?in=MTY0NTQxJSMlaHlzaUt4V29EVkJVNFNxdTYwYWt0MzVDTw== http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref4064290 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
I will edit soon. 2009/5/15 Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS > But the blog still says it :D > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Aneesh A wrote: > >> *Sorry Mistaken* >> >> 2009/5/14 Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS >> >>> Oru doubt >>> >>> using asp is against our >>> Against our IT policy ??? >>> >>> >>> >>> enkil cdit chyuna mikka situm adachu pootendivarum :) >>> >>> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Visakh wrote: >>> ഉണ്ടെങ്കില് ഒരു പത്തെണ്ണം പോരട്ടേ! തീര്ക്കുന്ന കാര്യം ഞാനേറ്റു! :D On May 14, 7:58 am, Prasad SR wrote: > >> Right now, I am down with a fever > >sticker ഒട്ടിച്ച ആപ്പിള് കൊണ്ടുവരാണോ? :D > > . > -- > -- > Regards, > > Prasad.S.R > > " You can either ask me to do something. > Or tell me how you want it done. Not both. > If you already know best how to do it, just do it yourself." >>> >>> >>> -- >>> My Site >>> http://everlovingyouth.googlepages.com >>> My Technical Write >>> http://acutedeveloper.blogspot.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Call me: >> 9447926826 >> >> For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Linux & >> Windows Installation etc. >> >> Visit my blig >> >> http://xtenders.blogspot.com/ >> >> Earn money >> >> >> http://www.rupeemail.in/rupeemail/invite.do?in=MTY0NTQxJSMlaHlzaUt4V29EVkJVNFNxdTYwYWt0MzVDTw== >> >> http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref4064290 >> >> >> > > > -- > My Site > http://everlovingyouth.googlepages.com > My Technical Write > http://acutedeveloper.blogspot.com > > > > -- Call me: 9447926826 For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Linux & Windows Installation etc. Visit my blig http://xtenders.blogspot.com/ Earn money http://www.rupeemail.in/rupeemail/invite.do?in=MTY0NTQxJSMlaHlzaUt4V29EVkJVNFNxdTYwYWt0MzVDTw== http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref4064290 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
But the blog still says it :D On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Aneesh A wrote: > *Sorry Mistaken* > > 2009/5/14 Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS > >> Oru doubt >> >> using asp is against our >> Against our IT policy ??? >> >> >> >> enkil cdit chyuna mikka situm adachu pootendivarum :) >> >> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Visakh wrote: >> >>> ഉണ്ടെങ്കില് ഒരു പത്തെണ്ണം പോരട്ടേ! തീര്ക്കുന്ന കാര്യം ഞാനേറ്റു! :D >>> >>> On May 14, 7:58 am, Prasad SR wrote: >>> > >> Right now, I am down with a fever >>> > >>> >sticker ഒട്ടിച്ച ആപ്പിള് കൊണ്ടുവരാണോ? :D >>> > >>> > . >>> > -- >>> > -- >>> > Regards, >>> > >>> > Prasad.S.R >>> > >>> > " You can either ask me to do something. >>> > Or tell me how you want it done. Not both. >>> > If you already know best how to do it, just do it yourself." >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> My Site >> http://everlovingyouth.googlepages.com >> My Technical Write >> http://acutedeveloper.blogspot.com >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Call me: > 9447926826 > > For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Linux & > Windows Installation etc. > > Visit my blig > > http://xtenders.blogspot.com/ > > Earn money > > > http://www.rupeemail.in/rupeemail/invite.do?in=MTY0NTQxJSMlaHlzaUt4V29EVkJVNFNxdTYwYWt0MzVDTw== > > http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref4064290 > > > > -- My Site http://everlovingyouth.googlepages.com My Technical Write http://acutedeveloper.blogspot.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
*Sorry Mistaken* 2009/5/14 Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS > Oru doubt > > using asp is against our > Against our IT policy ??? > > > > enkil cdit chyuna mikka situm adachu pootendivarum :) > > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Visakh wrote: > >> ഉണ്ടെങ്കില് ഒരു പത്തെണ്ണം പോരട്ടേ! തീര്ക്കുന്ന കാര്യം ഞാനേറ്റു! :D >> >> On May 14, 7:58 am, Prasad SR wrote: >> > >> Right now, I am down with a fever >> > >> >sticker ഒട്ടിച്ച ആപ്പിള് കൊണ്ടുവരാണോ? :D >> > >> > . >> > -- >> > -- >> > Regards, >> > >> > Prasad.S.R >> > >> > " You can either ask me to do something. >> > Or tell me how you want it done. Not both. >> > If you already know best how to do it, just do it yourself." >> >> > > > -- > My Site > http://everlovingyouth.googlepages.com > My Technical Write > http://acutedeveloper.blogspot.com > > > > > -- Call me: 9447926826 For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Linux & Windows Installation etc. Visit my blig http://xtenders.blogspot.com/ Earn money http://www.rupeemail.in/rupeemail/invite.do?in=MTY0NTQxJSMlaHlzaUt4V29EVkJVNFNxdTYwYWt0MzVDTw== http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref4064290 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
Oru doubt using asp is against our Against our IT policy ??? enkil cdit chyuna mikka situm adachu pootendivarum :) On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Visakh wrote: > ഉണ്ടെങ്കില് ഒരു പത്തെണ്ണം പോരട്ടേ! തീര്ക്കുന്ന കാര്യം ഞാനേറ്റു! :D > > On May 14, 7:58 am, Prasad SR wrote: > > >> Right now, I am down with a fever > > > >sticker ഒട്ടിച്ച ആപ്പിള് കൊണ്ടുവരാണോ? :D > > > > . > > -- > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Prasad.S.R > > > > " You can either ask me to do something. > > Or tell me how you want it done. Not both. > > If you already know best how to do it, just do it yourself." > > > -- My Site http://everlovingyouth.googlepages.com My Technical Write http://acutedeveloper.blogspot.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
ഉണ്ടെങ്കില് ഒരു പത്തെണ്ണം പോരട്ടേ! തീര്ക്കുന്ന കാര്യം ഞാനേറ്റു! :D On May 14, 7:58 am, Prasad SR wrote: > >> Right now, I am down with a fever > > sticker ഒട്ടിച്ച ആപ്പിള് കൊണ്ടുവരാണോ? :D > > . > -- > -- > Regards, > > Prasad.S.R > > " You can either ask me to do something. > Or tell me how you want it done. Not both. > If you already know best how to do it, just do it yourself." --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
>> Right now, I am down with a fever sticker ഒട്ടിച്ച ആപ്പിള് കൊണ്ടുവരാണോ? :D . -- -- Regards, Prasad.S.R " You can either ask me to do something. Or tell me how you want it done. Not both. If you already know best how to do it, just do it yourself." --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
Hi Aneesh, In that case I guess we can create on long letter together. First we will create a short official part addressed to whosoever it concerns- it should be short and contain only requests and short description of problems. To that, we will attach a technical part detailing whatever we know about the problems. Right now, I am down with a fever and there is the impending exams. I will prepare the first draft as soon as I sort out these issues. Regards, Gokul Das On May 13, 5:57 pm, Aneesh A wrote: > They c\also are not ready to give passwords. > > They simply delete that entry and told to reregister. > > Regarding draft of the letter, I have no idea about creating one. > > Can someone help me?? > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Visakh wrote: > > > Hi, > > > On May 12, 6:52 pm, Aneesh A wrote: > > > No proper software testing. That is the problem, As I think. > > > Yes. I agree. That would explain both the operability issues, security > > issues and compatibility issues. > > > > On student side, no problem in using firefox. > > > On administrator side, ie, teacher's verification, there appears no > > photos > > > Well, if we place a complaint we will have to be very specific- like a > > bug report. Exact nature and ways to recreate it will have to be > > specified. For example, if there is a firefox/W3C incompatibility, we > > will have to show atleast one instance, or define exact problem. The > > problem you mentioned could be an abnormal case. However, if it can be > > recreated multiple times in multiple platforms (like different > > systems, OSs or browser - even just 2 cases would suffice), it would > > qualify as an ideal example. > > > > Also my friend tried to register, He got all SQL queries and all.. > > > Exactly the kind of flaw that I am talking about. Whenever a server > > returns an error message, either it should be a standard message (like > > 404 file not found) or a Web app exception handled message. Anything > > else will contain sensitive information about internal system- like > > Web server configuration, Database information, SQL code etc. Did I > > mention that this server sent me back a portion of the web app's ASP > > code when tested? Just more information for a cracker to further his > > attempt. Anyway, that info about SQL is useful. > > > > To Vishak, You are pretty good hacker. (Didn't meant hacker). > > > I presume it was a compliment. Thanx! :D But I don't qualify as hacker > > by either Free software community definition or security community > > definition (cracker). My field is actually electronics & communication > > engg. I know more about protocols, encryption and security than web > > programming and designing. In other words, somebody else with > > expertise in these will have to explain to the university why their > > design is insane! > > > > I am not blaming ASP. I wished that it had been done using php that's > > all. > > > Technically, Java EE would satisfy these needs (security, scalability, > > responsiveness) better than either ASP or PHP. It has FOSS > > implementations too. But I know this is not point you make. This is > > not the first time public agencies are taking a contradictory stance > > on FOSS. Remember the e-VAT and PPT in +2 issues? We already have > > along list of these. Its about time they get reminded about this. > > > > Also there is no password recovery form... It is a real problem as I > > explained in blog. > > > No arguments there. They simply didn't do their homework. To get > > password back, we have to first face their apathy. Even then, they > > just can't avoid accidentally causing password mixups! > > > Regards, > > Gokul Das > > -- > Call me: > 9447926826 > > For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Linux & Windows > Installation etc. > > Visit my blig > > http://xtenders.blogspot.com/ > > Earn money > > http://www.rupeemail.in/rupeemail/invite.do?in=MTY0NTQxJSMlaHlzaUt4V2... > > http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref4064290 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
They c\also are not ready to give passwords. They simply delete that entry and told to reregister. Regarding draft of the letter, I have no idea about creating one. Can someone help me?? On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Visakh wrote: > > Hi, > > On May 12, 6:52 pm, Aneesh A wrote: > > No proper software testing. That is the problem, As I think. > > Yes. I agree. That would explain both the operability issues, security > issues and compatibility issues. > > > On student side, no problem in using firefox. > > On administrator side, ie, teacher's verification, there appears no > photos > > Well, if we place a complaint we will have to be very specific- like a > bug report. Exact nature and ways to recreate it will have to be > specified. For example, if there is a firefox/W3C incompatibility, we > will have to show atleast one instance, or define exact problem. The > problem you mentioned could be an abnormal case. However, if it can be > recreated multiple times in multiple platforms (like different > systems, OSs or browser - even just 2 cases would suffice), it would > qualify as an ideal example. > > > Also my friend tried to register, He got all SQL queries and all.. > > Exactly the kind of flaw that I am talking about. Whenever a server > returns an error message, either it should be a standard message (like > 404 file not found) or a Web app exception handled message. Anything > else will contain sensitive information about internal system- like > Web server configuration, Database information, SQL code etc. Did I > mention that this server sent me back a portion of the web app's ASP > code when tested? Just more information for a cracker to further his > attempt. Anyway, that info about SQL is useful. > > > To Vishak, You are pretty good hacker. (Didn't meant hacker). > > I presume it was a compliment. Thanx! :D But I don't qualify as hacker > by either Free software community definition or security community > definition (cracker). My field is actually electronics & communication > engg. I know more about protocols, encryption and security than web > programming and designing. In other words, somebody else with > expertise in these will have to explain to the university why their > design is insane! > > > I am not blaming ASP. I wished that it had been done using php that's > all. > > Technically, Java EE would satisfy these needs (security, scalability, > responsiveness) better than either ASP or PHP. It has FOSS > implementations too. But I know this is not point you make. This is > not the first time public agencies are taking a contradictory stance > on FOSS. Remember the e-VAT and PPT in +2 issues? We already have > along list of these. Its about time they get reminded about this. > > > Also there is no password recovery form... It is a real problem as I > explained in blog. > > No arguments there. They simply didn't do their homework. To get > password back, we have to first face their apathy. Even then, they > just can't avoid accidentally causing password mixups! > > Regards, > Gokul Das > > > -- Call me: 9447926826 For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Linux & Windows Installation etc. Visit my blig http://xtenders.blogspot.com/ Earn money http://www.rupeemail.in/rupeemail/invite.do?in=MTY0NTQxJSMlaHlzaUt4V29EVkJVNFNxdTYwYWt0MzVDTw== http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref4064290 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
Hi, On May 12, 6:52 pm, Aneesh A wrote: > No proper software testing. That is the problem, As I think. Yes. I agree. That would explain both the operability issues, security issues and compatibility issues. > On student side, no problem in using firefox. > On administrator side, ie, teacher's verification, there appears no photos Well, if we place a complaint we will have to be very specific- like a bug report. Exact nature and ways to recreate it will have to be specified. For example, if there is a firefox/W3C incompatibility, we will have to show atleast one instance, or define exact problem. The problem you mentioned could be an abnormal case. However, if it can be recreated multiple times in multiple platforms (like different systems, OSs or browser - even just 2 cases would suffice), it would qualify as an ideal example. > Also my friend tried to register, He got all SQL queries and all.. Exactly the kind of flaw that I am talking about. Whenever a server returns an error message, either it should be a standard message (like 404 file not found) or a Web app exception handled message. Anything else will contain sensitive information about internal system- like Web server configuration, Database information, SQL code etc. Did I mention that this server sent me back a portion of the web app's ASP code when tested? Just more information for a cracker to further his attempt. Anyway, that info about SQL is useful. > To Vishak, You are pretty good hacker. (Didn't meant hacker). I presume it was a compliment. Thanx! :D But I don't qualify as hacker by either Free software community definition or security community definition (cracker). My field is actually electronics & communication engg. I know more about protocols, encryption and security than web programming and designing. In other words, somebody else with expertise in these will have to explain to the university why their design is insane! > I am not blaming ASP. I wished that it had been done using php that's all. Technically, Java EE would satisfy these needs (security, scalability, responsiveness) better than either ASP or PHP. It has FOSS implementations too. But I know this is not point you make. This is not the first time public agencies are taking a contradictory stance on FOSS. Remember the e-VAT and PPT in +2 issues? We already have along list of these. Its about time they get reminded about this. > Also there is no password recovery form... It is a real problem as I > explained in blog. No arguments there. They simply didn't do their homework. To get password back, we have to first face their apathy. Even then, they just can't avoid accidentally causing password mixups! Regards, Gokul Das --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
Thank you for responses. No proper software testing. That is the problem, As I think. On student side, no problem in using firefox. On administrator side, ie, teacher's verification, there appears no photos Also my friend tried to register, He got all SQL queries and all.. To Vishak, You are pretty good hacker. (Didn't meant hacker). I am not blaming ASP. I wished that it had been done using php that's all. Also there is no password recovery form... It is a real problem as I explained in blog. I will try to create a letter and post the draft. On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:44 PM, V. Sasi Kumar wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 12:34 -0700, Visakh wrote: > > > I will certainly give it a try- but I am not very experienced or > > skilled in writing formal letters like that. Still I will create a > > draft that others can improve upon. > > That is good enough. You can just recount the experience and point out > that this happened because the site is not designed to conform to > standards. This prevents many people from making use of the facility, > and also violates the policy of the government regarding Free Software. > Once we have a draft, we can work on it. > > > Meanwhile, I require Aneesh's help > > in projecting a realistic picture. I need a clear account of how the > > site didn't work on Firefox and how it messed up registrations. > > Aneesh, can you do it? > > I also hope that Aneesh will submit a complaint to the University on the > problems he and his friends have faced. > > Best > -- > V. Sasi Kumar > Free Software Foundation of India > Please visit http://swatantryam.blogspot.com > > > > > -- Call me: 9447926826 For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Linux & Windows Installation etc. Visit my blig http://xtenders.blogspot.com/ Earn money http://www.rupeemail.in/rupeemail/invite.do?in=MTY0NTQxJSMlaHlzaUt4V29EVkJVNFNxdTYwYWt0MzVDTw== http://www.inboxdollars.com/?r=ref4064290 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 12:34 -0700, Visakh wrote: > I will certainly give it a try- but I am not very experienced or > skilled in writing formal letters like that. Still I will create a > draft that others can improve upon. That is good enough. You can just recount the experience and point out that this happened because the site is not designed to conform to standards. This prevents many people from making use of the facility, and also violates the policy of the government regarding Free Software. Once we have a draft, we can work on it. > Meanwhile, I require Aneesh's help > in projecting a realistic picture. I need a clear account of how the > site didn't work on Firefox and how it messed up registrations. > Aneesh, can you do it? I also hope that Aneesh will submit a complaint to the University on the problems he and his friends have faced. Best -- V. Sasi Kumar Free Software Foundation of India Please visit http://swatantryam.blogspot.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
On May 11, 11:02 pm, "V. Sasi Kumar" wrote: > So shall we draft a letter to the VC, with a copy to the Education > Minister? Do you think you can post a draft? I will certainly give it a try- but I am not very experienced or skilled in writing formal letters like that. Still I will create a draft that others can improve upon. Meanwhile, I require Aneesh's help in projecting a realistic picture. I need a clear account of how the site didn't work on Firefox and how it messed up registrations. Aneesh, can you do it? Regards, Gokul Das --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 10:48 -0700, Visakh wrote: > I think its worth a try. But I doubt we will be the first one to > complain. And given the university's preoccupation with unimportant > matters, I doubt we will get much of a reply. Still, the university > has to be held responsible for the misery they cause. This is not just > a question of interoperability, but also of quality of service they > provide for the exorbitant fee they charge from the students. Yes. I too have doubts whether the University will even respond, leave alone making corrections. But, as citizens, it is our duty to point out errors and it is their duty to correct them if they see that what we say is true. If they don't do it, then they fail in their duty. It is better that they fail, rather than we ;-) So shall we draft a letter to the VC, with a copy to the Education Minister? Do you think you can post a draft? Best -- V. Sasi Kumar Free Software Foundation of India Please visit http://swatantryam.blogspot.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
Sir, I think its worth a try. But I doubt we will be the first one to complain. And given the university's preoccupation with unimportant matters, I doubt we will get much of a reply. Still, the university has to be held responsible for the misery they cause. This is not just a question of interoperability, but also of quality of service they provide for the exorbitant fee they charge from the students. Regards, Gokul Das On May 11, 7:54 pm, "V. Sasi Kumar" wrote: > Thanks for that write-up. The point in complaining is to ensure that no > one will say that we did not inform the proper authorities. If they > still do not act, they are giving us one more weapon. Security is an > issue, as I understand, that many people who design websites or maintain > servers are not really aware of or (maybe) concerned about. They will > have to learn the hard way. Let us first take up the W3C compliance > issue. And, perhaps, the security issue too. Meanwhile, if Aneesh can > send a letter to the University (there used to be a complaint box there > some time back) authorities, we could wait and see whether they do > anything. If they don't we will see what we can do. > > Best > Sasi --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
I have posted a comment about a problem i faced with the software in your blog and how I managed to correct it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
Thanks for that write-up. The point in complaining is to ensure that no one will say that we did not inform the proper authorities. If they still do not act, they are giving us one more weapon. Security is an issue, as I understand, that many people who design websites or maintain servers are not really aware of or (maybe) concerned about. They will have to learn the hard way. Let us first take up the W3C compliance issue. And, perhaps, the security issue too. Meanwhile, if Aneesh can send a letter to the University (there used to be a complaint box there some time back) authorities, we could wait and see whether they do anything. If they don't we will see what we can do. Best Sasi On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 07:18 -0700, Visakh wrote: > Hi, > Aneesh! Thanks for the article. But ASP alone may not explain why > you are having problems with firefox. ASP is a server side scripting > technology - it has no effect at the browser. If designed properly, it > should be possible to write an ASP page that works flawlessly at any > browser (Orkut is on ASPX). The problem really is what Sasi sir points > out- non adherence to W3C (World wide web consortium) standards. W3C > is the organization that defines web standards like HTML, CSS etc. Its > like all other web browsers follow W3C while IE follows a totally > different standard. Good developers write W3C compliant pages and > tweak them to work on IE, while half trained ones write pages that > work only on IE. That may be what happened with University. > > If you believe that a complaint is going to solve it- it will be > less than half your worries (and theirs). The site is one of the > crappiest I have ever seen. There is a well known vulnerability that > allows others to view your marklist without requiring your password > (that which they tried to avoid). I once did a rudimentary > vulnerability check on the site. It was just short a cracking attempt > - but if somebody wanted to crack it, the site would collapse in less > than 5 minutes. The site does critical operations like input > sanitation right at the browser using javascript (baaad design!). I > was able to turn off javascript and pass a spurious input. The server > threw up an error with all the internal details - including about HTML > and SQL servers. Forcing this kind of error is the essential first > step in a site cracking. I didn't proceed any further- but just > imagine someone passing some spurious SQL query. They have tons of > student data on the server just waiting to be mauled on! > > So how do you expect a team that can't even ensure basic security to > ensure W3C compliance? Its not so much about arrogance as it is about > incompetence. Having said so much- I am not not trying to discourage > you. I can empathize with you. Its annoying when somebody blames your > choice instead of their own incompetence. Its even worse when it is > about something important as student registration. Finally, as an > epilogue- I can no longer access my student details (incl marklist). > This happens every time- albeit to different students! > > Regards, > Gokul Das > > -- V. Sasi Kumar Free Software Foundation of India Please visit http://swatantryam.blogspot.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
Hi, Aneesh! Thanks for the article. But ASP alone may not explain why you are having problems with firefox. ASP is a server side scripting technology - it has no effect at the browser. If designed properly, it should be possible to write an ASP page that works flawlessly at any browser (Orkut is on ASPX). The problem really is what Sasi sir points out- non adherence to W3C (World wide web consortium) standards. W3C is the organization that defines web standards like HTML, CSS etc. Its like all other web browsers follow W3C while IE follows a totally different standard. Good developers write W3C compliant pages and tweak them to work on IE, while half trained ones write pages that work only on IE. That may be what happened with University. If you believe that a complaint is going to solve it- it will be less than half your worries (and theirs). The site is one of the crappiest I have ever seen. There is a well known vulnerability that allows others to view your marklist without requiring your password (that which they tried to avoid). I once did a rudimentary vulnerability check on the site. It was just short a cracking attempt - but if somebody wanted to crack it, the site would collapse in less than 5 minutes. The site does critical operations like input sanitation right at the browser using javascript (baaad design!). I was able to turn off javascript and pass a spurious input. The server threw up an error with all the internal details - including about HTML and SQL servers. Forcing this kind of error is the essential first step in a site cracking. I didn't proceed any further- but just imagine someone passing some spurious SQL query. They have tons of student data on the server just waiting to be mauled on! So how do you expect a team that can't even ensure basic security to ensure W3C compliance? Its not so much about arrogance as it is about incompetence. Having said so much- I am not not trying to discourage you. I can empathize with you. Its annoying when somebody blames your choice instead of their own incompetence. Its even worse when it is about something important as student registration. Finally, as an epilogue- I can no longer access my student details (incl marklist). This happens every time- albeit to different students! Regards, Gokul Das --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[fsug-tvm] Re: Kerala University registration
On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 22:26 -0700, Aneesh A wrote: > Look My new blog post on Kerala University registration > > http://xtenders.blogspot.com/2009/05/problems-of-kerala-university.html > I saw your blog. Could you write a complaint about the problems to the University? It is possible that the people who developed the website are not aware of the problems. So it would be good if you can just point out the problems you have faced (and the problem your friend faced). Let us see how they respond. Meanwhile, what about FSUG writing a letter to the VC with a copy to the Minister on the website design being unsuitable for viewing in Firefox -- non-adherence to W3C standards? Best -- V. Sasi Kumar Free Software Foundation of India Please visit http://swatantryam.blogspot.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ilug-tvm" group. To post to this group, send email to ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ilug-tvm-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For details visit the website: www.ilug-tvm.org or the google group page: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
