[Ilugc] IBM to invest $1b in Linux, open-source

[km]

Hi all,

http://phys.org/news/2013-09-ibm-invest-1b-linux-open-source.html#nwlt
dont forget to read the readers comments below.

Regards,
Krishna
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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன்]

Hi,

> Baskar, not the linuxpert baskar)
> Railway Baskar and Linux expert company  did a workshop at Eswari Engg
> College.
>

>>Sorry for your misunderstanding.  But that was not a workshop, but a
complete three months commercial training program conducted for the
students of MCA requested by the college management.  And Mr. Baskar agreed
for doing the training on commercial basis, ILUG-C or community activity
did not involve here.

I was further told by Railway Baskar that you insisted  for one such
commercial exercise you
asked Mr.Railway Baskar to put the event report as "On behalf of ilugc"
which he flatly refused.
Need Mr.Railway  Baskar to  confirm this message.

This may sound very trivial and non sense to many as a issue.

The silver lining between (a) ilugc event or in association event  and (b)
your companies activity is not known/visible.

We request you to mention "on behalf of ilugc" to those event which is
promoting foss inspirit of equal opportunity instead of you be operate on
our behalf  and you decide who is member to the party and who is not.


regards,

Thyagarajan Shanmugham
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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Baskar Selvaraj]

The following information was told to me by Railway Baskar (The railway

> Baskar, not the linuxpert baskar)
> Railway Baskar and Linux expert company  did a workshop at Eswari Engg
> College.
>

Sorry for your misunderstanding.  But that was not a workshop, but a
complete three months commercial training program conducted for the
students of MCA requested by the college management.  And Mr. Baskar agreed
for doing the training on commercial basis, ILUG-C or community activity
did not involve here.


> At later point of time, Railway Baskar was approached by the college to
> conduct a workshop and railway baskar took Raman to the college,
> this was objected by Linexpert Baskar because of his business Interest.
>

I have always given due credit for our ILUG-C members for their
contribution in all the workshops organized in colleges.  Kindly read
through the last part of the interview.

http://www.linuxforu.com/2011/09/baskar-selvaraj-interview-foss-power-in-170-tamil-college-labs/

Myself and Railway Baskar have jointly done many programs for the colleges
in the years between 2008 and 2010.  I have introduced many of our ILUG-C
members to colleges during the workshop organized by LinuXpert Systems and
they all have represented themselves as ILUG-C members and not as
representatives of LinuXpert Systems.

By the way, I also requested members to intimate me, if they get any
enquiries from the same institutions, so that I would know about the event,
but they did not.  On some occasions when I was not reachable by colleges,
the colleges have contacted the resource persons directly who were
introduced by me and they approached the colleges independently and started
doing programs. Nothing wrong here and I didn't make objections here
because of business interest.

My only question to them was, when they have been contacted directly by the
colleges, atleast they would have left a message to me, when the same
college again have requested for a workshop, so that I would have joined
with them.  But their thought was totally different, why to intimate me
when they have been called directly.

Would like to hear from Mr.Thiagarajan on this.

S. Baskar
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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Sundaram KR]

> Do we need a clearance to conduct an event, I think the co-ordinator should 
> take a call, My opinion is , it is better to have one. 


 


My opinion is; "On Behalf Of" is a meaningless term. There is no need for any 
clearance since this meaningless term "On Behalf Of" can be removed. Without 
that meaningless term; anybody can post anything related to FOSS on this list. 
ILUGC members do not have any authority to clear or reject any FOSS related 
event by any member. 

...KRS 
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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன்]

Hi

>>I think we have lost complete sight of the spirit and the symbiotic
relationship ILUGC can have with companies like Baskar's in furthering
the cause of FOSS.

The following information was told to me by Railway Baskar (The railway
Baskar, not the linuxpert baskar)
Railway Baskar and Linux expert company  did a workshop at Eswari Engg
College.
At later point of time, Railway Baskar was approached by the college to
conduct a workshop and railway baskar took Raman to the college,
this was objected by Linexpert Baskar because of his business Interest.
(Raman and Railway Baskar please vouch for the authenticity of this
information).The problem here i see is which hat does linux expert baskar
wears, a volunteer of ilugc or a CEO.

>>No wonder Baskar feels he is better off without involving ILUGC.
We  welcome it. He is entitled to have his own opinion.


Do we need a clearance to conduct an event, I think the co-ordinator should
take a call,
My opinion is , it is better to have one.



regards,

Thyagarajan Shanmugham
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[Ilugc] To MOOC or Not To MOOC

[A. Mani]

This article is about what is involved in making a MOOC and related aspects:

http://mtosmt.org/issues/mto.13.19.3/mto.13.19.3.covach.php


I had checked most of the MOOCs out there, but strangely could not see
many courses in free software related subjects.  I am working on a
MOOC in my fields.



Best

A. Mani



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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Noorul Islam K M]

Mohan Sundaram  writes:

> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:55 PM, A. Mani  wrote:
>
>>
>> Further the member(s) in question should inform the list well in advance
>> and obtain an implicit no objection certificate on the mailing list.
>
> Such thoughts in the context of what Baskar is doing boil down to
> being regimental and bordering on the ludicrous.
>
>>> b.If we talk about ILUGC in the event or had banner/any other material
>>> promoting ILUGC.
>>>
>>> In all other events it better to post to the list without 'on behalf ILUGC'.
>>>
>>
>> But ILUGC may be involved in Free software events subject to clearance
>> from the mailing list.
>
> I think we have lost complete sight of the spirit and the symbiotic
> relationship ILUGC can have with companies like Baskar's in furthering
> the cause of FOSS. No wonder Baskar feels he is better off without
> involving ILUGC.
>
> This does not bode well for us as a group. We are not a formal group
> (formal groups will have a structure, representatation vide elected
> office bearers etc) to give clearances nor do we have any one vested
> with that authority in this group.
>

I completely agree with you here.

Thanks and Regards
Noorul
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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Mohan Sundaram]

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:55 PM, A. Mani  wrote:
>
> Further the member(s) in question should inform the list well in advance
> and obtain an implicit no objection certificate on the mailing list.

Such thoughts in the context of what Baskar is doing boil down to
being regimental and bordering on the ludicrous.

>> b.If we talk about ILUGC in the event or had banner/any other material
>> promoting ILUGC.
>>
>> In all other events it better to post to the list without 'on behalf ILUGC'.
>>
>
> But ILUGC may be involved in Free software events subject to clearance
> from the mailing list.

I think we have lost complete sight of the spirit and the symbiotic
relationship ILUGC can have with companies like Baskar's in furthering
the cause of FOSS. No wonder Baskar feels he is better off without
involving ILUGC.

This does not bode well for us as a group. We are not a formal group
(formal groups will have a structure, representatation vide elected
office bearers etc) to give clearances nor do we have any one vested
with that authority in this group.

-- Mohan Sundaram
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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[satyaakam goswami]

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:55 PM, A. Mani  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Raman Pandarinathan 
> wrote:
> > 1.Let us use 'on behalf of ILUGC' only if any ONE of the following is
> satisfied
> >
> > a.If the offer for the event came to ILUGC either on the list or to
> > the co-ordinator/members and someone attends the event.
> >
>
> Further the member(s) in question should inform the list well in advance
> and obtain an implicit no objection certificate on the mailing list.
>

what else sign green sheets and get a police clearance , i do not know
what world we are living in or where is it going . this whole thread i see
now is leading nowhere .

the biggest strength we have is we are disorganized and are living in
virtual space . we can say and do what we want . we can move fast and meet
physically in the analog world when required . This whole fifedom will kill
this and lead to destruction of this community/space .



> > b.If we talk about ILUGC in the event or had banner/any other material
> > promoting ILUGC.
> >
> > In all other events it better to post to the list without 'on behalf
> ILUGC'.
> >
>
> But ILUGC may be involved in Free software events subject to clearance
> from the mailing list.
>

i do not care much about this anymore i do what i have to do  with or
without people supporting the cause or not , if the cause  is important
people will join or i will do what i have to do anyway . what are we trying
to create a new BCCI :-) 

i am out of this thread too 




-Satya
Satyaakam.net  | fossevents.in | fossacademy.org
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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Balachandran Sivakumar]

Hi

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:55 PM, A. Mani  wrote:
>
> Further the member(s) in question should inform the list well in advance
> and obtain an implicit no objection certificate on the mailing list.
>

  Why do you think this is needed ? What does an "implicit" no
objection certificate mean ? What if people object to someone doing it
individually ? (may be out of jealousy, nothing valid). What if the
poerson is requested to present something short notice ? Do you think
we should not  talk about/on behalf of ilugc even to genuinely
interested people. That's unfair.

> But ILUGC may be involved in Free software events subject to clearance
> from the mailing list.
>

 From all 3000 members ? Just 1 member ? What if 5 guys agree and
5 guys disagree ?

Instead of doing our best to promote free software, and appreciating
people who earnestly do that, we are talking about totally unnecessary
rules here. At least Raman's points look quite reasonable, but I
personally do not agree with these as a necessity.  Thanks


-- 
Thank you
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Re: [Ilugc] xflock4 does not work on Arch+XFCE

[Ganesh Ranganathan]

yup, but xflock4 still didnt work. :(

After that I asked on the IRC channel of #xfce and they suggested to
install xlockmore. That worked!!

Thanks,
GR


On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Noorul Islam K M  wrote:

> Ganesh Ranganathan  writes:
>
> > The xflock4 command for locking the screen doesnt work for me on Arch
> Linux
> > + XFCE.
> >
> > There is no error, the command just exits without
> > locking the screen. I tried multiple solutions after googling but none of
> > them worked.
> >
> > Is there any other command for locking the screen on XFCE
> >
> Is xscreensaver running?
>
> Thanks and Regards
> Noorul
>
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[Ilugc] [OT] The goals and objectives behind FOSS FDP / Workshop conducted in Colleges

[Baskar Selvaraj]

Dear all,

I mark this mail as [OT], as I do not wish to see another long thread on
this
topic.

Continue reading

I personally felt that, most of the list members were not able to understand
about these FOSS FDP / Workshops conducted by us in colleges. This mail
would shed some lights to them what actually these programs are and why
they are conducted for.

Anna University introduced 'Open Source Lab' in the regular curriculum in
the
2008 regulation and nearly 250+ engineering colleges started adapting them
since 2011 (these colleges were affiliated with Anna University of
Technology,
Chennai / Thirunelveli by that time).  Next academic year all 550+
engineering
colleges affiliated to Anna University will be handling this subject.

In 2011, few colleges approached us for conducting Workshops / FDP for this
subject, so that they could handle the subject easily.

Usually FDPs are conducted by colleges by getting any sponsor/grant from
University or from any Technical Societies like CSI/IEEE/IET/ISTE etc and
conduct the program in their banner.

As the colleges could not get any sponsor/grant from University (the reason
given by a college Principal is, the sponsor/grant is applicable for any
subject, if and only, there is both Theory/Lab component for the subject is
available).  So colleges could not get any sponsor for conducting FDP for
'open source lab'.

Hence I decided to do FDP for these colleges FREE of COST under certain T&C.

The college who is willing to host the FDP should be calling all the nearby
colleges, so that many colleges could benefit from the FDP.  If the hosting
college wishes, they can charge a minimum expenses from the participants,
but
that should not include the training cost (if the amount charged is high,
then
we could not get enough participants).  Colleges agreed for this T&C and we
took
all responsibilities of contacting colleges and getting more participants
for
the FDP.  Our initiative started reaching other institutions and some of the
reputed institutions came forward for hosting the FDP under the T&C set by
us.

How do LinuXpert Systems benefit from these FREE FDP programs ?
--

As our FDP programs are usually focused on training only the Faculty
members, few colleges show interest in doing these similar programs to
their students. The workshop conducted for students are usually paid by the
college management.  The more the FDP we do FREE of COST, more the
workshops we get and we keep reaching out hundreds of colleges year by year.

Though the monetary benefits we get from these programs are very small, we
feel much satisfied with the service we offer to our college customers.

In my recent observation, I have noticed that most colleges (or departments)
have some sort of policy on implementing Linux/FOSS in their
colleges/departments.

I had to maintain a close relationship with the academic community to bring
a
change that I wish to see.  That's why I spend much of my time with colleges
doing workshop / FDPs and also trying to build a strong vibrant community
that
we all wish to see.

Myself and the academic community are working together towards achieving a
common goal for bringing out a change in our education system,

** FREE Software is the way, the Education has to go **

S. Baskar

Twitter  : http://twitter.com/linuxbaskar
LinkedIN : http://www.linkedin.com/pub/baskar-selvaraj/21/881/b29
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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Noorul Islam K M]

Raman Pandarinathan  writes:

> Dear all
>
> Probably I would have posted maximum 'on behalf of  ILUGC' in the list
> for the last 10 years. My humble opinion
>
> 1.Let us use 'on behalf of ILUGC' only if any ONE of the following is 
> satisfied
>
> a.If the offer for the event came to ILUGC either on the list or to
> the co-ordinator/members and someone attends the event.
>
> b.If we talk about ILUGC in the event or had banner/any other material
> promoting ILUGC.
>
> In all other events it better to post to the list without 'on behalf ILUGC'.
>
> I have been following above guidelines and refrain from postings
> events where I could not talk about ILUGC.
>

This seems to be right solution. But there are always e-mail filters.
May be the OPs should help others to filter such mails easily.

Thanks and Regards
Noorul
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Re: [Ilugc] xflock4 does not work on Arch+XFCE

[Noorul Islam K M]

Ganesh Ranganathan  writes:

> The xflock4 command for locking the screen doesnt work for me on Arch Linux
> + XFCE.
>
> There is no error, the command just exits without 
> locking the screen. I tried multiple solutions after googling but none of
> them worked.
>
> Is there any other command for locking the screen on XFCE
>
Is xscreensaver running?

Thanks and Regards
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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Ganesh Ranganathan]

I am new to the list but personally I feel that there using the "On behalf
of ILUGC" name for conducting free events and workshops should be allowed
or rather encouraged. Imparting knowledge for free resonates with the core
principles of the FOSS community.

The contentious part seems to be when the group's name is used for
promoting commercial events whose aim is to make money. A simple compromise
would be to allow sharing of information about commercial workshops but
making it clear that these events are conducted in purely individual
capacity and are not representative of the group. Just my 2 cents.

Thanks,
GR




On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Balachandran Sivakumar <
benignb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:55 PM, A. Mani  wrote:
> >
> > Further the member(s) in question should inform the list well in advance
> > and obtain an implicit no objection certificate on the mailing list.
> >
>
>   Why do you think this is needed ? What does an "implicit" no
> objection certificate mean ? What if people object to someone doing it
> individually ? (may be out of jealousy, nothing valid). What if the
> poerson is requested to present something short notice ? Do you think
> we should not  talk about/on behalf of ilugc even to genuinely
> interested people. That's unfair.
>
> > But ILUGC may be involved in Free software events subject to clearance
> > from the mailing list.
> >
>
>  From all 3000 members ? Just 1 member ? What if 5 guys agree and
> 5 guys disagree ?
>
> Instead of doing our best to promote free software, and appreciating
> people who earnestly do that, we are talking about totally unnecessary
> rules here. At least Raman's points look quite reasonable, but I
> personally do not agree with these as a necessity.  Thanks
>
>
> --
> Thank you
> Balachandran Sivakumar
>
> Arise Awake and stop not till the goal is reached.
>  - Swami
> Vivekananda
>
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> Blog: http://benignbala.wordpress.com/
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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[A. Mani]

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Raman Pandarinathan  wrote:
> 1.Let us use 'on behalf of ILUGC' only if any ONE of the following is 
> satisfied
>
> a.If the offer for the event came to ILUGC either on the list or to
> the co-ordinator/members and someone attends the event.
>

Further the member(s) in question should inform the list well in advance
and obtain an implicit no objection certificate on the mailing list.

> b.If we talk about ILUGC in the event or had banner/any other material
> promoting ILUGC.
>
> In all other events it better to post to the list without 'on behalf ILUGC'.
>

But ILUGC may be involved in Free software events subject to clearance
from the mailing list.



Best

A. Mani



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[Ilugc] Fwd: [chennaipy 1540] September Monthly Meet

[Shrinivasan T]

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= September Monthly Meet

== Date & Time

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== Venue

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== Agenda

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Getting started with a language like Python is bullet-fast, but
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The Python interpreter converts Python programs into byte codes and
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-- 
http://code.activestate.com/**recipes/576944-the-goto-**decorator/

If you would like to give a lightning talk, just come prepared, we
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If you are new to Python, the tutorial at
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] The goals and objectives behind FOSS FDP / Workshop conducted in Colleges

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Baskar Selvaraj
 wrote:
| Myself and the academic community are working together towards achieving a
| common goal for bringing out a change in our education system,
\--

Please do continue the good work you have been doing.

You could also share your experiences on the workshop, with every
post, so it benefits the readers.

SK

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[Ilugc] xflock4 does not work on Arch+XFCE

[Ganesh Ranganathan]

The xflock4 command for locking the screen doesnt work for me on Arch Linux
+ XFCE.

There is no error, the command just exits without 
locking the screen. I tried multiple solutions after googling but none of
them worked.

Is there any other command for locking the screen on XFCE

Thanks and Regards,
Ganesh
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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Raman Pandarinathan]

Dear all

Probably I would have posted maximum 'on behalf of  ILUGC' in the list
for the last 10 years. My humble opinion

1.Let us use 'on behalf of ILUGC' only if any ONE of the following is satisfied

a.If the offer for the event came to ILUGC either on the list or to
the co-ordinator/members and someone attends the event.

b.If we talk about ILUGC in the event or had banner/any other material
promoting ILUGC.

In all other events it better to post to the list without 'on behalf ILUGC'.

I have been following above guidelines and refrain from postings
events where I could not talk about ILUGC.


Raman.P
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[Ilugc] Fwd: [FSFTN] Fwd: Software Freedom Day celebrations

[Shrinivasan T]

-- Forwarded message --
From: sibi kanagaraj 
Date: Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 5:26 PM
Subject: [FSFTN] Fwd: Software Freedom Day celebrations
To: mailingl...@fsftn.org


Dear All,

Free Software Foundation Tamil Nadu, along with College of Engineering
Guindy GNU/LINUX Users Group[ and Indian Linux Users Group Chennai is
celebrating Software Freedom Day on September 22. at Vivekananda
Auditorium, CEG, Anna University.

The public event will see talks by experts on topics such as open hardware
and patents  and technical sessions on the scope of free software. A stall
competition  will also be
held. The winner of the best stall will get a cash prize of Rs. 1000.

The event will see students, experts and academics gather and exchange
experiences. Attached herewith is the poster for the event and the stall
competition.

FSFTN requests all of you to participate in the celebration and spread the
news of the event.

Regards
Executive Committee
Free Software Foundation Tamil Nadu
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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Sundaram KR
 wrote:
| I have not seen anybody hijacking this list for personal interests
| which are not based around Free Software.
\--

True. I am only trying to make people aware of what has happened in
other communities.

---
| If anybody tries to do that on this list, we can simply ban them.
\--

There is no "we" after a "hijacking".

---
| But banning any post on a FOSS activity such as workshop;
| just because it is commercial does not make sense to me.
\--

I have explained that in my previous reply.

I'll stop here. Period.

SK

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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Sundaram KR]

> There have been cases where groups, and conferences (in India) have been 
> "hijacked" for personal or commercial interests. 

I have not seen anybody hijacking this list for personal interests which are 
not based around Free Software. If anybody tries to do that on this list, we 
can simply ban them. But banning any post on a FOSS activity such as workshop; 
just because it is commercial does not make sense to me. 

> But, this list is quite considerate to allow people to post with a 
> 'Commercial' tag. Otherwise, it wouldn't have survived this long So, how 
> one balances the number of voluntary and commercial posts is crucial, just as 
> maintaining the signal-to-noise ratio. 

Very true. Which is why I suggested a "FOSS-AD" tag, and limiting such tagged 
posts to 5 per month. 





Totally banning such FOSS-related posts entirely is not a good idea, IMHO. 


...KRS 
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[Ilugc] Fwd: Planning to conduct a two day FDP

[Baskar Selvaraj]

Dear all,

If anyone interested in joining me, kindly reply offlist.  The requested
person(s) have already participated in the FDP conducted by me in VIT
University (Chennai Campus) a week before.

Regards

S. Baskar

Twitter  : http://twitter.com/linuxbaskar
LinkedIN : http://www.linkedin.com/pub/baskar-selvaraj/21/881/b29


-- Forwarded message --
From: PAPANNA . N 
Date: Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 5:30 AM
Subject: Planning to conduct a two day FDP
To: Baskar Selvaraj 


Dear Sir,
We are planning to conduct a two day FDP in our college(Sree Vidyanikethan
Engg college(Autonomous)),Tirupati.So, kindly give me possible dates of
your convenience  in coming month.

Regards,

-- 
N.Papanna ,M.E.,(PhD)
Assistant Professor
Dept. of CSE
Sree Vidyanikethan Engg. College
Tirupati.

K.S.Ranjith
Assistant Professor
Dept. of CSE
Sree Vidyanikethan Engg. College
Tirupati.
emailid:ksranjith2...@gmail.com
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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Sundaram KR
 wrote:
| Likewise on this list, many members are working on
| FOSS products and services; sometimes gratis, sometimes charging money.
\--

This is a volunteer-driven list, and people try to help each other out
of their own interest.

The problem is when commercial entities try to take advantage of the
group for their own selfish needs, without appreciating the principles
and values of the group. Just because it works elsewhere doesn't mean
it should work everywhere. There have been cases where groups, and
conferences (in India) have been "hijacked" for personal or commercial
interests.

But, this list is quite considerate to allow people to post with a
'Commercial' tag. Otherwise, it wouldn't have survived this long.

---
| Nobody needs to feel guilty for charging money
| for offering products and services based on FOSS.
\--

Agreed. But, in a community, people are respected for their voluntary
work, and nothing else. So, how one balances the number of voluntary
and commercial posts is crucial, just as maintaining the
signal-to-noise ratio.

SK

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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Sundaram KR]

Iff the company has given permission to the employee to use his/her 
official e-mail address, can he/she use the same. Otherwise, a 
different account needs to be used. Whether the individual is authorized to 
speak for the organization or 
not doesn't matter. Any e-mail sent through the official e-mail 


address can be used against the employee. 

--- 


The employees of IBM and RedHat are not secretly working on the Linux kernel; 
they are working in official capacity only. Likewise on this list, many members 
are working on FOSS products and services; sometimes gratis, sometimes charging 
money. Nobody needs to feel guilty for charging money for offering products and 
services based on FOSS. 

...KRS 
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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Srinivasan Sundararajan]

Wh
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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Sundaram KR]

> The objectives are different for a user group mailing list and a 
project list. They are not the same. 


--- 


Is it the objective of ilugc mailing list to prevent members from talking about 
Commercial activities on the list? Nobody is answering this simple question; 
Free Software means Freedom not Free of Cost. 

Talking about commercial activities related to Free Software is not a crime on 
this list. Why is this so hard to understand? 




Is there a single among the 3000 members in this list not interested in earning 
money to support their livelihood? Even Richard Stallman receives money from 
the McArthur Foundation to support his other activities. 




So many many many people think it is a crime to talk about activities around 
Free Software that involve monetary gains - this is silly. 




...KRS 


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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Sundaram KR
 wrote:
| 2. The Linux kernel is jointly developed by entities such as RedHat,
IBM etc. all of which are
| commercial public companies, that exist to provide gains to
shareholders. The employees from
| the companies routinely post on the Linux Kernel mailing list.
\--

Iff the company has given permission to the employee to use his/her
official e-mail address, can he/she use the same. Otherwise, a
different account needs to be used.

Whether the individual is authorized to speak for the organization or
not doesn't matter. Any e-mail sent through the official e-mail
address can be used against the employee.

---
| They do not add [Commercial] tag to | each and every post. I don't
see why our Linux User
| Group mailing list should be any different.
\--

The objectives are different for a user group mailing list and a
project list. They are not the same.

Regards,

SK

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