Re: [Ilugc] nice to see some changes

2014-10-13 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 13 October 2014 10:17, Sundaram KR sundaram.ramachand...@kggroup.com
wrote:

 Even I feel top posting is more useful and convenient as well.
 
  Perhaps Kenneth is a old man who doesn't like changes. Even bill gates
 doesn't like change.


ALRIGHT. THAT DOES IT. I am officially signing off from ilugc.

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Re: [Ilugc] [Commercial] Book: i want 2 do project. tell me wat 2 do

2014-06-11 Thread Asokan Pichai
Great news Shakthi

All the best

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Re: [Ilugc] Tamil Translators

2014-02-09 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 30 January 2014 16:26, Ashwin ashwi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hello - can anyone recommend translators (paid service) who can provide
 tamil translation from English? We have an XML with English labels which we
 want converted to Tamil.

 Thanks for your time and suggestions.

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Re: [Ilugc] 1D1C - chgrp

2013-10-29 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 29 October 2013 11:59, Naresh Tharun nareshs...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 10/28/13, Dhana Sekar tkdhanase...@gmail.com wrote:
  command: chgrp
  usage: change group ownership
 
  syntax: # chgrp [options] newgroup filename/directoryname
 
  example:
 
  1. To change a file sample.txt from root group to a new group
  named 'group2'
 
  # chgrp group2 sample.txt
 
  2. To change the files and its subdirectories of a directory named
  'test' from root group to new
  group 'newgroup'
 
  # chgrp -R newgroup test
 
  3. To change the group for the specific file test.txt
 
  # chgrp -c newgroup test.txt
 
  4. To use the group value of another file instead of specifying
 explicitly
 
  # chgrp --reference=/home/dhana/sample.txt sample.txt
 
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 thanks for ur 1D1C sir,

 i also need some more command on chmod with sticky bit permissions sir
 kindly give some commands on that .

 regards
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I typed:
 chmod sticky
into google and the second link is:
http://computernetworkingnotes.com/managing-file-system-security/sticky-bit.html
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Re: [Ilugc] Need a Help on redirection from Shell script

2013-10-23 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 23 October 2013 16:10, Raja Mahalingam raja82i...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I need to know how to redirect the o/p of the script both to stdout and to
 file.

 I need to run the script from job scheduler,so I cant use pipes or tee
 command from the command line.so the redirection need to be coded in the
 script itself.

You can use the tee command in the script and make the script execute under
cron.
THis seems so simplistic that it will be better if you describe a little
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Re: [Ilugc] Need a Help on redirection from Shell script

2013-10-23 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 23 October 2013 17:18, Raja Mahalingam raja82i...@gmail.com wrote:

 I need to schedule the script on CTRL_M job scheduler .not  cron..
 I am grabbing certain o/p from remote server through ssh from script ...so
 I can't use tee command or echo  in  the ssh commands.

 I have used exec filename.txt inside a script, it redirects all the o/p to
 the file.

would exec | tee filename.txt work?


 My requirement is to get the o/p captured in both file and stdout


 On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Asokan Pichai paso...@gmail.com wrote:

  On 23 October 2013 16:10, Raja Mahalingam raja82i...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hi all,
  
   I need to know how to redirect the o/p of the script both to stdout and
  to
   file.
  
   I need to run the script from job scheduler,so I cant use pipes or tee
   command from the command line.so the redirection need to be coded in
 the
   script itself.
  
  You can use the tee command in the script and make the script execute
 under
  cron.
  THis seems so simplistic that it will be better if you describe a little
  more
 
 
  
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 Thanks  Regards ,
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Re: [Ilugc] Doubt with passing values in sed command

2013-10-22 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 22 October 2013 12:50, hari prasadh hariprasad...@gmail.com wrote:

 How to pass value to sed command as below:

 search_string_error=Oct\ 13

 sed -i  '/$search_string_error/d'  error_log


Use double quotes -- that expands shell variables
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Re: [Ilugc] Apologies for posting FDP/Workshop event mails in ILUG-C

2013-09-15 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 16 September 2013 09:41, satyaakam goswami satyaa...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Baskar Selvaraj bas...@linuxpert.in
 wrote:

  Dear all,
 
  My sincere apologies for posting the FDP/Workshop Event Report mails in
  ILUG-C in the recent times.


Dear Baskar

I am sad to see this. But then, your contribution is independent of any
acknowledgement
it receives from ilugc.

Whether on behalf of or in spite of, please continue the good work.

Probably it is a good idea for ilugc to decide what it stands for and
articulate the do's and dont's.

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Re: [Ilugc] libkural

2013-07-10 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 10 July 2013 12:50, Shakthi Kannan shakthim...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 --- On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Shrinivasan T
 tshriniva...@gmail.com wrote:
 | But it is missing the Tamil meaning.
 |
 | Many authors like Mu.Va, parimelagar have authored tamil meaning for
 Kural.
 |
 | Which version of Tamil Meaning for Kural is available for public usage
 | in public domain or creative commons license?
 \--

 AFAIK, the ownership of the above versions are with the publishers.
 You could try talking to them.

parimElazagar urai must be beyond reach of copyright. It is many hundred
years old after all. But do not recall a pdf/html version.

I do have permission on Mu. Va.'s
 version for non-commercial use:

   http://www.shakthimaan.com/ta/thirukkural.html

 SK

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Re: [Ilugc] jQuery UI effects explanation

2013-07-05 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 5 July 2013 16:51, Ambarish Santhanam Gmail ambaris...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi

 Girish's mails blocked!

 Iam a Newbie and I have learnt a lot from his posts.  I got a very rough
 response for my first post but support came my way too.  I would kindly
 request to unblock him once again.  If he gets demotivated then myself and
 many other newbie's stand to loose.  Another member of this group
 recommended me to join this group, participate in the discussions and get
 to
 know more and also contribute later.
 Whoever has blocked him, I will be grateful to you if you agree to my
 request.

Dear Sir
Sriram has blocked himself from receiving emails from Girish. AFAIK, no one
has blocked any one posting to ILUGC.


 Regards
 Ambarish Santhanam

 -Original Message-
 From: ilugc-boun...@ae.iitm.ac.in [mailto:ilugc-boun...@ae.iitm.ac.in] On
 Behalf Of Sriram Karra
 Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 3:34 PM
 To: ILUG-C
 Subject: Re: [Ilugc] jQuery UI effects explanation

 On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Sundaram KR 
 sundaram.ramachand...@kggroup.com wrote:

  Meaning of anterior:
 
  You could've just said 'earlier' and saved us another of your inane
  posts; filled with your opinions.
 

 I have blocked Girish's emails. But there's no escaping them via anguished
 responses of other members of the list :)

 Why is there a reluctance in the community to give a warning to an
 unresponsive member to stay on topic or get banned? This list cannot be
 perpetually at the receiving end of an unlimited volume of a single
 person's
 brain vomit.


Dear Sriram
It is possible that some people learn from him. And when others take the
trouble to
correct him people may learn too. So it is very tough to ban someone for
copious
posting *intended* to help. Even when there is a disagreement about how
useful
they actually are. (In this case disagreement between Girish and a large
number
of others). I tend to feel that there is too much of personalisation and
not enough
content; but I am not comfortable about banning for such reasons.

I hope you remember enough of me to feel that I agree with your judgement
but
understand your anguish



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Re: [Ilugc] Vim to edit binary file

2013-05-12 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 12 May 2013 15:21, steve st...@lonetwin.net wrote:

 On Sunday 12 May 2013 02:21 PM, Balasubramaniam Natarajan wrote:
  Hi
 
  I found on the net that this is the command I need to be in to edit a
  binary file after converting to hex.
 
  :%!xxd
 
 
  I am confused as to why we use the *%* sign.  I know that if we need to
 run
  shell command we can press ESC + colon + exclamation + shell command.
 

 % implies the contents of the file you are editing, for example:

Better to think of it as the contents of the edit buffer rather than file
[SNIPPED]



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[Ilugc] Fwd: Re: International Space Station making laptop migration from Windows XP to Debian 6

2013-05-12 Thread Asokan Pichai
-- Forwarded message --
From: R.yuvaraj cst yuva...@gmail.com
Date: May 13, 2013 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Ilugc] International Space Station making laptop migration
from Windows XP to Debian 6
To: ILUG-C ilugc@ae.iitm.ac.in
Cc:

 Really great.



 On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Natarajan V raja...@gmail.com wrote:

  Quote
  The International Space Station has decided to switch dozens of laptops
  running Windows XP over to Debian. What Linux fans have been saying for
  years—that Linux delivers greater stability and reliability for public
and
  private computing environments—resonated with Keith Chuvala, the United
  Space Alliance contractor manager involved in the switch. The change at
the
  International Space Station is all about the replacement of dozens of
  laptops with XP being switched over to Debian 6.

That means Debian 6 is the best compared to windows, right? Now if they
could be persuaded to use Maria DB ..
 
  Read more at:
 
 
http://phys.org/news/2013-05-international-space-station-laptop-migration.html#jCp
 
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Future of Maria DB ?

2013-05-11 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 11 May 2013 15:48, R.yuvaraj cst yuva...@gmail.com wrote:

 i need exact answerMariaDB best or not?compare to mysql...???


Exact answers cost Rs. 2 per question.

20% discount for ilugc members

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Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: Monthly Meet - Topic for Talks - Suggestion

2013-05-05 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 3 May 2013 21:36, Anand.R.Kris anandrk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Will be happy to hear your views and love to see the suggestion
 getting implemented.


So would everyone else. I would encourage you to implement it.

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Re: [Ilugc] Compare two doc files in unix

2013-04-24 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 24 April 2013 14:05, hari prasadh hariprasad...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 i need to compare content only.

 Thanks,
 HariPrasadh


 On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Arun Venkataswamy arun...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:41 PM, hari prasadh hariprasad...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Hi,
  
   Is there anyway to compare two doc files in linux(centos).i tried with
  diff
   command and it is not working.

By some chance if it told you something while deciding not to work, do feel
free to share that with us.

  
 
  What level of comparison you are looking at?
  Content only or even formatting and fonts?
 
  Regards,
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Re: [Ilugc] Doubt in python for loop

2013-04-16 Thread Asokan Pichai
On Apr 17, 2013 9:58 AM, hari prasadh hariprasad...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All,
 Small doubt in behaviour of for loop in python:

  a=[(1,2)]
  for i in a:
 ... print i
 ...
 (1, 2)
In this case the list a consists of a single tuple and so the way the loop
is organized it prints each element of the list-- in this case one tuple

  for i,j in a:
 ... print i,j
 ...
 1 2
 Explain how for loop behaves here?
Here instead of using a tuple you are unpacking a tuple. This code assumes
that the elements of the list are all 2 tuples and assigns the first
element to i and the second to j.


  for i,j in a:
 ... for k,l in a:
 ... print i,j,k,l
 ...
 1 2 1 2

Same explanation as above.

 Explain how for loop behaves here?
  a=[(1,2),(3,4)]
  for i in a:
 ... print i
 ...
 (1, 2)
 (3, 4)
Refer to the explanation to the first loop
The rest can be understood the same way

  for i,j in a:
 ... print i,j
 ...
 1 2
 3 4
 Explain how for loop behaves here?
  for i,j in a:
 ... for k,l in a:
 ... print i,j,k,l
 ...
 1 2 1 2
 1 2 3 4
 3 4 1 2
 3 4 3 4

 Explain how for loop behaves here?
 Please clarify.

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[Ilugc] [JOBS] Senior poistion

2013-04-08 Thread Asokan Pichai
An elearning organization is building a product using FOSS.

They are looking for an `architect'. Please contact me off-list if you
think you would like to discuss your profile.

Some of the skills needed:

Experience in FOSS development
Knowledge of sufficient range oof technologies and toolchains -- Everying
you need can be done using {Django|RoR|Lisp} is not likely to resonate
with them.
Ability to relate client requirements at a design and architecture level
Cloud experience
Good communication and presentation skills
Preferably product experience

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Php, MySQL people help me

2013-04-07 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 7 April 2013 15:03, ThiaguWinId thiaguwi...@gmail.com wrote:

 My school web site is in Drupal
 I wanted to give the students details through the site [ attendance, marks
 ,
 remarks alone ]
 I am unable to find any suitable solutions for me.  [ all possible web
 search done, for the past 2 years ]
 What I need ?
 # for 4200 students
 # I could export the data in  spread sheet or CSV form



 # the parents can login and view the details [ marks , attendance, remarks
 ]

If the above means:
every parent has a login to the drupal site (or can be given one)
Then:

1. Generate a web page per student and upload them
using say a python/ruby program.
2. In the drupal site add a page that uses the login info
to direct them to the right html page--setting up an association
between the page name and the login id.

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Re: [Ilugc] e-security laboratory

2013-03-13 Thread Asokan Pichai
On Mar 13, 2013 12:40 PM, Shakthi Kannan shakthim...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 --- On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Karthikeyan A K
 mindas...@gmail.com wrote:
 | No one has a official authority to define hacking.
 \--

 Truth is always bitter?

 You can continue to reply for the sake of replying, without reading
 the documentation, or giving any reference. But, I am afraid, it
 doesn't add anything to your credibility.

 Another experience of the actual hacker culture was given by Guy L.
 Steele, Jr., in a Foreword he had written [1]:

 I also enjoyed, in that summer of 1972, reading a brand-new MIT
 research memo called HAKMEM, a bizarre and eclectic potpourri of
 technical trivia.

 Why “HAKMEM”? Short for “hacks memo”; one 36-bit PDP-10 word could
 hold six 6-bit characters, so a lot of the names PDP-10 hackers worked
 with were limited to six characters. We were used to glancing at a
 six-character abbreviated name and instantly decoding the
 contractions. So naming the memo “HAKMEM” made sense at the time—at
 least to the hackers.

 You can either read history and learn from it, or you can accept facts
 and reality. The choice is yours. We have nothing to lose.

 With due respect to the patience of the list members, I'll stop here.
Period.
Thanks for the considered response Shakthi.
Mr. Karthikeyan: please do consider reading up the references. A historical
understanding is very useful for the seriousFOSS student.


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 [1] Foreword. http://www.hackersdelight.org/foreword.pdf

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Re: [Ilugc] Inputs solicited for a story

2013-03-08 Thread Asokan Pichai
Bulk hirers have to be `scaleable'## -- so they use such 'metrics'.  They
need to merely ensure that
those who hire are not below their set bar.

People who hire smaller numbers tend to focus on skills and look for those
who are above their bar
and try to figure out means to identify key skills reliably.

## -- sometimes that means It does not matter what if we do is wrong; as
long as it is repeatable and wrong in the same way towards all it is ok;
sometimes it means I will be questioned if I deviate, so I would rather
not do this even though I *may* get a great result

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Re: [Ilugc] hi

2013-03-01 Thread Asokan Pichai
On Mar 1, 2013 1:53 PM, Arun Khan knu...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Baskar Selvaraj bas...@linuxpert.in
wrote:
  On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Narendiran a.narendi...@gmail.com
wrote:
 
  On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:45 AM, karthikeyan blueboykar...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   i have  spreadsheetconverter to html/javascript 5.2.1please
 sent me
   serial key for this software
 
  Try,
  1AMA-CH3P-STKE
 
 
  The reply is much worse than the original posting.
Yes -- it should be
1AMA--L33T--CH3P--SKTE

 +1.   This mailing list is all about Open Source.
Apparently that means athletically jumping to conclusions about everybody
else's integrity.

  It is also
 archived publicly @ GMane etc.   This is *not* the place for
 publicizing warez information related to proprietary products.
It also apparently about renouncing humour.

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Re: [Ilugc] [Job] Wanted - Rails experts

2013-02-25 Thread Asokan Pichai
On Feb 26, 2013 10:59 AM, Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன் citizenof...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi,

  It is going way too-off-topic and totally irrelavant to ILUGC.

 This is what FOSS aspirants face in real world. I think it is very
 much relevant to this list.
 correct me if i am wrong ;0)

He already did.

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Re: [Ilugc] [Job] Wanted - Rails experts

2013-02-25 Thread Asokan Pichai
On Feb 26, 2013 11:23 AM, Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன் citizenof...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi

 He already did.

 this is a troll.

 explain how this argument is irrelevant to this list !!

 I am not trying to justify some situation which happened in the past!
Then why refer to it, in *two* posts?

 I also request the posters to indicate the figurative salary along
 with technical strength of the company.
If this sentence had been  the response to the original post  it would have
met your stated goals. The manner in which you chose to discuss a specific
instance of a specific company dealing with *your* student is what makes
the resulting 'discussion' irrelevant.

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Re: [Ilugc] problem with umbrello window

2013-01-11 Thread Asokan Pichai
[Detailed description of problem snipped]


 Is there any other way with which i can correct the problem.

Yes


 I am using windows Xp.

Don't

Seriously, while ChennaiLUG is one of the most inclusive, I think
expecting a LUG to help in using WinXP is quite  hopeful?

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Re: [Ilugc] wanted - php and Python trainers

2012-09-28 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 26 September 2012 08:01, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.com wrote:

 i had a discussion with Mr.santhanam, hod of DG vaishnav college.

 he is interested in conducting certificate courses in Python and php
 programming.

 3 or 6 or more hours per week.
 60 or more hours totally.

 if any one interested in these training update here or mail me offline.


I am interested in Python training

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Re: [Ilugc] Sad demise of our dear KG (Keneth Gonsalvas)

2012-08-03 Thread Asokan Pichai
You will be missed KG.

Condolences to the family.



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Re: [Ilugc] 3 days FDP program at AMS college

2012-07-02 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 2 July 2012 16:20, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:

 On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 16:03 +0530, Sundaram KR wrote:
   I have been doing FDPs countrwide for the past 6-7 years, and the
  total
   number of staff members who have actively or passively joined LUG
  lists
   is precisely 0.
  --
 
  Did u threaten them or something? ;-)

 it is the nature of staff members in our colleges to be terrified of
 appearing foolish in front of students, so they avoid any forums where
 there is a possibility of this happening.


Hmmm. Possible. But I believe it is lot more mundane than that. Life goes on
whether they know something or not. So there is no real need to learn, much
less learn *after* a training program.

As has been mentioned more than once, the only driver for many people
-- teachers, students all-- if not a vast majority, is the certificate.

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[Ilugc] [JOB-Short Term-Trainer] LAMP(HP) Trainer needed

2012-05-19 Thread Asokan Pichai
Hi folks

I need a PHP trainer, for 2--3 weeks.

Please contact me offlist or by phone: +91 98406 94837

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Re: [Ilugc] Tech talk in Chennai?

2011-11-16 Thread Asokan Pichai
You are welcome to my office.

We are a training organization and we have a classroom with
20 computers -- ubuntu 10.10 IIRC --. Can seat 30+

Address is:
66 Gaudia Mutt Road
Royappettah

Right next to Gaudia Mutt
A little ahead of Ponnuswamy Hotel

5 minutes walk from Music Academy

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Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [chennai.rb] [OT] DevCamp on November 19

2011-11-14 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 14 November 2011 14:22, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.com wrote:

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: openbala damodaran.bal...@gmail.com
 Date: 14 Nov 2011 14:20
 Subject: [chennai.rb] [OT] DevCamp on November 19
 To: chenna...@googlegroups.com

 5 days left.

 Where:
 ThoughtWorks India (Pvt) Ltd
 Ascendas International Tech Park
 Zenith - 9th Floor
 Tharamani Road
 Tharamani
 Chennai - 600 113, India

 When:
 09:00 AM to 06:00 PM November 19th, 2011 - Saturday

 What:
 DevCamp is a barcamp style event centered around developer and
 developer related activities.

 FAQs:
 What is Barcamp:
 They are unconferences - open, participatory workshop-events, the
 content of which is provided by participants. There is no confirmed
 sessions or 'pre-defined' sponsor slots. If you have a topic to talk
 about, come to the event, propose your topic, if there is enough
 audience interested in listening to your topic, you've got slot!

 Home Page:
 http://barcamp/dcc2

That link goes into la-la land

I tried
http://barcampchennai.org/

and got a
MediaWiki internal error.

In fact DDG's search with barcamp chennai lands in a similar error page

I was thinking of doing the next version of my FP talk .
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Re: [Ilugc] India is not list of GNU mirrors

2011-11-01 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 30 October 2011 12:00, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:

 On Sun, 2011-10-30 at 03:19 +0530, narendra babu wrote:
  we indians are known for the largest IT pool talent in the world

 who said so?


For some values of 'talent' :-)


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Re: [Ilugc] [ILug-C] Elcot marries Microsoft - A love story !!

2011-10-13 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 13 October 2011 11:53, Nataraj S Narayan natara...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Ken

 Nope, haven't read any of those. For now i am bit too busy. Surely i
 might have a look into those if at all i get a chance for a prolonged
 retired life in Ooty like yours. ;-)


Oh boy!?


 [Snipped]



  Surely we can't go after 'captian Vijaykant' or Vaiko for that matter
 who might as well ask what this thingy called 'FOSS' is.

Mr K Pandiarajan, the former MD of Ma Foi is the MLA for Virudhunagar
in Captain's party. He may be able to understand.


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Re: [Ilugc] Call for speakers - October meet

2011-10-04 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 29 September 2011 21:01, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.com wrote:

 Friends.

 We have our October month meet on October 8.

 Reply here if you wish to give any talk.

 Give the following details .



 Topic

Exploring Functional Programming


 Description

The goal is to get a glimpse of the 'functional way' of doing things. As a
teaser,
in the FP way of doing things you cannot change the value of a `variable'
This is a personal perspective of what is interesting and fascinating in FP.

Duration

30 minutes or less


 About speaker

I am a trainer fascinated with programming languages and training. Haskell
is
what I am currently (again) trying to get to grips with.

Links

 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~shmat/courses/cs345/whyfp.pdf


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Re: [Ilugc] please help me for block gamil and facebook

2011-09-27 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 27 September 2011 16:47, sivakumar bharadhwaj calms...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Sir,

 as usual, you are again to pointing things, instead of just answering
 him. I know that you are can do it - with your experience.

 looking at his writing - it seems he is not the type who does english
 / typing well.  You could have answered it - instead of asking
 questions.

 are you asking him to learn english / typing before asking you.


Yeah! What nerve, eh? What next?  KG will start expecting that the OP
will actually understand his reply.

(I do not know the answers for the questions he had asked - I am only
 a good user of Ubuntu - not a coder, or a knowledgable person to guide
 him - otherwise I would have answered)


In which language?

[SNIPPED]

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Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [FTC] Thamizha Develoepr Workshop Hack-a-thon - 9th October 2011

2011-09-26 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 24 September 2011 21:15, arunthe...@gmail.com arunthe...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello Ashokan,

 On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Asokan Pichai paso...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  I  can offer the venue.
 
  We have a 20-30 classroom setups -- ubuntu -- with reasonable broadband
 and
  leased lines.
 
 
 Great news. I think it would be more than sufficient  for the hackathon.
 Can
 I mail you off the list to discuss other things like the location, travel
 routes etc...,

Yes Please



 Thank You for the offer.



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Re: [Ilugc] ankit fadia

2011-09-22 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 22 September 2011 16:41, swamynathan mesw...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:16 AM, kenneth gonsalves
 law...@thenilgiris.comwrote:

  hi,
 
  the latest edition of India Today has a feature on 30 young Indians who
  are changing the country - one of them is that loser Ankit Fadia. I
  request LUG members to mail the editor in protest.
 


 We also keep seeing articles on how POLITICIANS are helping India Grow
 and
 how Indian efficient and effective Indian Govt. operations are,  but all we
 do is read and throw it away.


That is the critical difference. Everyone knows that politicians are
corrupt. But they may take
the assessment of Ankit Fadia at face value


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Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [FTC] Thamizha Develoepr Workshop Hack-a-thon - 9th October 2011

2011-09-22 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 21 September 2011 11:23, arunthe...@gmail.com arunthe...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello Chennailites,
 I think we could run a parallel session here in chennai. A place to
 come together and a reliable connection for live streaming could
 connect us.

 Any volunteers? I can help organizing it. Any offers for the venue? A
 single broadband for the streaming would be the bare minimum
 requirement.

 Kindly try volunteering.


I  can offer the venue.

We have a 20-30 classroom setups -- ubuntu -- with reasonable broadband and
leased lines.

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Re: [Ilugc] Linux Tablet suggestion

2011-09-13 Thread Asokan Pichai

 From: Raman.P raam...@yahoo.co.in
 To: ILUG-C ilugc@ae.iitm.ac.in
 Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 6:23 AM
 Subject: [Ilugc] Linux Tablet suggestion

 Dear luggies

 I am doing some serious studies in Archeology,history and temple
 architecture. I have to read books/articles which runs to about 1 lakh pages
 - in standard format like pdf, html and text. I seek your opinion on
 appropriate tablet/e-book reader. My needs are

 1.Mainly reading pdf, html and text pages
 2.Must be linux based.
 3.Price Rs.8000
 4.Feature like 3g, camera are not necessary.
 5.If it runs a regular distro like ubuntu/debian/fedora or can be booted
 from usb with puppy linux etc,  I am willing to pay 1-2k extra.

 Please suggest me a tablet. Also will it be comfortable to read with 7.x
 inches display?

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Recently Prabhu Ramachandran showed (off?) his Kindle. His experience is
that he started reading more and that included mathematical stuff too.

But the price point is likely to be closer to 15k IMO
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[Ilugc] Wikipedia not accessible

2011-08-29 Thread Asokan Pichai
For (at least) two days I am not able to connect to wikipedia. ANy one else
facing a similar problem?

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Re: [Ilugc] Wikipedia not accessible

2011-08-29 Thread Asokan Pichai
Thanks everyone. Appears to be a dns problem with my AIrtel 3G dongle
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Lord Venkateshwaraa Engineering College, Kanchipuram Dt.

2011-07-22 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 22 July 2011 12:29, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:

 On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 11:35 +0530, Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன் wrote:
 them to be separate announcements.
  
 
 
  IMO, foss lab server at engineering college level is not  a right
  tool,
  I believe teaching students on the installation process gives greater
  understanding on various aspects of the trade.

 looking forward to seeing your forthcoming announcements of all the
 installations you have done using the
 'correct' way - till then I am not leaving Basker rasigar manram.


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Re: [Ilugc] How to make ILUGC list user friendly?

2011-07-13 Thread Asokan Pichai
Ok; my 2 paise

1. There is an opinion that the list needs to be 'friendly' for
some values of that term

2. It appears that many newcomers `will' not know some
things that all seasoned users take for granted:
eg: top posting, asking poorly framed questions,
all caps 

3. Many people believe that such newcomers should be
educated and that they are actually being scared
away by the type of answers that are given

4. Many people (often those who do answer such queries)
believe that the simple, direct, rude, blunt, offensive
(Choose your pick) answer is the best way.

5. Many people (often those that do not answer queries)
are going on record questioning the style of such answers

6. The defenders of newcomers are almost taking the view that
we can educate the newcomers ONLY after answering the
questions.

7.  I almost 'hear' an undertone of If you try to educate them
 any other way they will be lost to the community

8. The seasoned users opine that in order to be a member
of any group one has to first understand the rules of
that group. Else the group will first ask you to do that
before responding to your needs.

My stance:

If you want to be part of the group that nurtures the newcomers
please do so.

The people who answer questions will not (cannot, should not)
stop you.

You can explain to and educate the new comers about the
expected behaviour on the list and deprecate the attitude of the answers
as part of such mails.

But do not start send mails whose only purpose is criticizing and educating
those who answer.

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Re: [Ilugc] Internet cafe software to run on Ubuntu client and Windows server

2011-07-11 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 11 July 2011 14:47, Prabhu Gnana Sundar prabh...@ymail.com wrote:

 Can any of you suggest an Internet cafe software to run on Ubuntu
 client and
 Windows server?

 no

 Hi Kenneth,
     The way you have responded above to Anu Nivas's post is just *ridiculous* 
 and *without* any point or explanation which is not going to help anyone 
 here. It would be good if you give proper answers rather than *just* replies. 
 Only responses with points and good suggestions would help us learn from the 
 list. These do *not* help us in anyway.

 This is not the first time you are pointed out with *pointless* replies like 
 this, but you still keep doing it. Not sure if you understand the purpose of 
 the list.

 I can see others responding in a much better way, which helps us to learn 
 from them.


I see a lot of criticism of KG's response;  I am not happy about
someone expecting to get an answer from the LUG about
proprietary software. And I am not sure that the list should encourage
people to answer such questions.

And KG's succinct (ok, cryptic) answer was to the point. I might have
told the OP politely not to expect such
questions answered here; or I might have done it rudely.

I am concerned that a large number of list members are looking up to
the LUG list as a general trouble-shooting
help desk. I for one would be very unhappy if that is the direction it turns to.

The LUG and the list are meant to foster a sense of community learning
and working together for FOSS
software.

I am considerably more offended by the question asked (and the
defenses for the same) than the
manner of KG's answer.
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Re: [Ilugc] Is it legal to host a webserver in domestic broadband plan

2011-07-11 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 11 July 2011 14:49, ijeyant...@gmail.com ijeyant...@gmail.com wrote:
 FOSS is a child of the web, which makes collaboration possible. Without
 collaboration the whole of FOSS would not exist. And please explain how
 to collaborate without version control?

 You could have explained the same in your first response to this
 thread. If you feel it's pain to explain things clearly, please
 refrain from responding.

If you cannot understand from a pointer to the answer, and need a
more complete hand-holding please DO NOT refrain from asking.
And DO refrain from commenting on the answer.

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Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [ilugcbe] Press Release for TN Free Laptop in English

2011-06-25 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 25 June 2011 12:01, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:
 On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 08:47 +0530, arunthe...@gmail.com wrote:
  The issue has been discussed entirely on the mailing list and have
 been
 working with inputs Mr. T. Shrinivasan, from the same. So I thought it
 is
 going to be community effort of the LUG.

 But there has been no consensus. I do not believe in press statements
 and petitions, but if I did draft one, it would be like this:

 We welcome the far-sighted initiative of the government in including
 Linux in the specifications for the free laptop scheme and we assure the
 government that we will do our best to extend technical support for
 students using linux. We however request the government to ensure that
 the linux installed is a fully fledged installation which works well
 with all the peripherals - and not some token installation. We are
 willing to provide expert help in choosing and installing this.

Sounds good.

But I think we should rephrase the token installation part.
May be ...

We however request the government to ensure that
the linux installed is a fully fledged installation which works well
with all the peripherals as otherwise the student community
may not derive the benefit of the scheme.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Mailam Engineering College, Villupuram Dt.

2011-05-31 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 31 May 2011 10:16, Baskar Selvaraj bas...@linuxpert.in wrote:

 
 
  I am getting these kind of mail reqularly,
 
 
 If members feel annoying regarding the FOSS lab setup mails, then I could
 post them in the FOSS Lab mailing list and will give link here.


Dear Mr Bhaskar
Please do continue to post here.
Your mails continue to be a source
of encouragement for me definitely.


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Re: [Ilugc] FDP PROGRAM

2011-03-21 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 21 March 2011 11:34, asharaf sharaf asharafbe...@yahoo.co.in wrote:

 sir,
 sorry sir , this is asharaf from dhanalakshmi srinivasan college of engg
 technology. we are interested to conduct the fdp program for our faculty
 members

 1. Thanks for the info.

2. And thanks to Google for locating your college in Mahabalipuram area.

3. Please consider answering the other questions also. They are numbered
for the convenience of ensuring that you do not miss.

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Re: [Ilugc] FDP PROGRAM

2011-03-21 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 21 March 2011 15:43, Rajagopal Swaminathan raju.rajs...@gmail.comwrote:

 Greetings,

 On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Baskar Selvaraj bas...@linuxpert.in
 wrote:
 
  Already we have discussed about the FOSS lab setup / FDP for faculty
 members
  in your college and if they are interested in conducting FDP, ask them to
  contact me offlist.

 Nothing to offer,, really.

 [Other good points SNipped]



 OTOH, even if the request is a blatant offer to ego-massage. So be it.

 What says the members?

Very often the FDP run by FOSS--Python/SciLab for Scientific and
Engineering Computations--is an exercise to add a line to be read
in the annual report of College/Department.

But we do it nevertheless because at least some students get
into FOSS/Python as a result.

With a few gratifying exceptions, faculty are usually not
really interested much in these as teaching tools. Some
faculty members doing research do get interested.

I am all for doing these sessions, whatever be their
reason for hosting it

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Re: [Ilugc] FDP PROGRAM

2011-03-20 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 21 March 2011 10:55, asharaf sharaf asharafbe...@yahoo.co.in wrote:


 THIS IS ASHARAF FROM DSCET , INTERESTED TO PLAN A FOSS LAB SESSION(FACULTY
 DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM) FOR OUR FACULTY MEMBERS  IN OUR COLLEGE CAMPUS.

 CONTACT NO:9003248909
 NAME:P.ASHARAF/LECTURER/DSCET


1. Which college would that be?

2. Which parts of FOSS?
2.1 What is the current level of
  knowledge and exposure?

3. It is commonly considered rude to type
in all caps--similar to shouting.

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Re: [Ilugc] ssd and linux

2011-03-17 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 17 March 2011 18:42, Vamsee Kanakala vkanak...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thursday 17 March 2011 05:38 PM, steve wrote:
  On 03/15/2011 02:35 PM, Asokan Pichai wrote:
 
  A curiosity question: like make, is there a facility to run only those
 tests
  that correspond to
  changed code. Even as I type this the question seems ill-defined etc.,
 but
  still 
 
  Umm, that kinda defeats the purpose of TDD. When you run the test suite
  basically, the intention is to know that you haven't inadvertently broken
  something that you thought was unrelated by your latest changes.


One of the reasons I added the `ill-defined' in my post.
This seems an interesting problem though.
--One does want to ensure that a change has not broken anything, but
can that be done by ONLY testing where a breakage is possible? Sounds
really hard problem to solve.


 The purpose of TDD is not to check if anything has broken in the app.
 That's the purpose of unit/developer testing in general. Running the
 whole test suite every time you add/modify a test is going to be
 seriously time-consuming (which refers to my 20-sec lag). TDD's purpose
 on the other hand is to allow the discovery of the most
 simplified/testable interface to your app. In other words, TDD is more
 about application design than reliability. Of course, it ends up helping
 the latter anyway.


Yeah; TDD is not just regression testing. But using such labels which
were defined in a context where coders wrote code and testers tested that
code is one of the areas of some confusion in the understanding of TDD
at least to me, for a time.

I tend to think of TDD as exploratory development and best suited for those
situations when part of the solution is NECESSARY for defining the
problem itself and/or the exact approach to solution is yet unclear.

Thoughts?
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Re: [Ilugc] [Commercial][Job] Linux Systems Admin / Operations Engineer

2011-03-15 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 15 March 2011 11:53, Debayan Banerjee debaya...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 15 March 2011 11:50, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:
  On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 11:45 +0530, Gourav Shah wrote:
  - BE/BS in computer related field a must
 
  any specific reason for this?

 Do you care if your doctor has an MBBS degree? (This is not a
 rhetorical question)


I care but thats because due to that 

I know my doctor studied in a college with a hospital attached and
was taught by  practising doctors and that my doctor had hands on
experience as part of his/her college course -- one full year IIRC

None of these apply for Engineers. So 


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Re: [Ilugc] ssd and linux

2011-03-15 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 15 March 2011 13:51, Vamsee Kanakala vkanak...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tuesday 15 March 2011 10:44 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:


[SNIPPED]

A curiosity question: like make, is there a facility to run only those tests
that correspond to
changed code. Even as I type this the question seems ill-defined etc., but
still 

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Re: [Ilugc] need LAN connectivity without internet for few systems.

2011-03-08 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 8 March 2011 13:41, Arun Khan knu...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
 law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:
  On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 12:36 +0530, రహ్మానుద్దీన్ షేక్ wrote:
  I have this requirement to setup a small lab, where we have ~30 PCs,
  system should be the apt-cacher server.
 Having been involved in training, I used to feel the same way until I
 realized that some of the students are more interested in surfing than
 learning; not doing the exercises etc. and then later claiming they do
 not follow the class.   Blocking Internet access was the the solution.

 With the apt-cacher requirement, the OP is trying to balance the two needs.


I am not inexperienced in training either. I refuse to train where I do not
have the authority to enforce the level of discipline I specify in my
classes.
It is better to make the rules clear and enforce them without
exception rather than reduce the learning potential. YMMV

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Re: [Ilugc] need LAN connectivity without internet for few systems.

2011-03-08 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 8 March 2011 14:50, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:

 On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 13:41 +0530, Arun Khan wrote:
   (btw, not giving the lab internet is a very very bad way of setting
  up
   an instructional lab)
 
  Having been involved in training, I used to feel the same way until I
  realized that some of the students are more interested in surfing than
  learning; not doing the exercises etc. and then later claiming they do
  not follow the class.   Blocking Internet access was the the
  solution.

 you have a bad pain in your finger - go to a doctor - he injects
 painkillers and cuts off your finger. Problem solved. No more pain in
 the finger.


Ahhh KG! I wish I had thought of that metaphor.



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Re: [Ilugc] need LAN connectivity without internet for few systems.

2011-03-07 Thread Asokan Pichai

 [SNIPPED]
 (btw, not giving the lab internet is a very very bad way of setting up
 an instructional lab)

+1

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Re: [Ilugc] how to send EOF

2011-02-24 Thread Asokan Pichai
CTRL-Z in windows
CTRL-D in Linux

On 25 February 2011 11:09, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:

 hi,

 I have a C program that counts newlines. Running it from the console,
 the newline counter increments each time enter is pressed. Now I need to
 send EOF to make the program print the total number of lines. How do I
 do that?

 ref: KR 1.5.3
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Re: [Ilugc] Python list.reverse() [was: Re: [Fwd: [ilugcbe] Fifth Meeting Pics Sri Shakthi Institute of Engineering and Technology updated in Open Street Map]]

2011-02-18 Thread Asokan Pichai
The style of programming changes fundamentally once you accept that a
data structure is immutable.

Given that python is a multi-paradigm language with a pronounced
pragmatism towards the various paradigms (others see it as
Python's OO is not well-designed etc) the issue of mutability
has been approached in the same way.

IOW, immutability would commit to complete functional approach
a la Haskell. or make it more functional than the BDFL wanted.

But it is very interesting to write code in the pure functional style;
I have returned to my periodic wrestling with Haskell and this time
around I find it easier and I have come to appreciate the
elegance and 'simplicity' that results.

YMMV is more than usually applicable of course.

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[Ilugc] [JOB] Python/Zope developers

2011-02-16 Thread Asokan Pichai
Hi

[Sorry for cross-posting]

We are looking to hire three developers with 2+ years of experience and
competent in python.

Zope knowledge and experience will be a great plus. Knowledge of
other web frameworks is okay too, but the work is on Zope

The positions are at Hyderabad; but we would like to talk to you if you
think you can offer us other options regarding location and mode of
engagement.

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Re: [Ilugc] [JOB] Python/Zope developers

2011-02-16 Thread Asokan Pichai
Me Bad. Forgot to provide the contact data.

Contact me offlist at pasokan AT gmail DOT com or

call me up:  +91 98409 11857

On 17 February 2011 10:49, Asokan Pichai paso...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hi

 [Sorry for cross-posting]

 We are looking to hire three developers with 2+ years of experience and
 competent in python.

 Zope knowledge and experience will be a great plus. Knowledge of
 other web frameworks is okay too, but the work is on Zope

 The positions are at Hyderabad; but we would like to talk to you if you
 think you can offer us other options regarding location and mode of
 engagement.

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Re: [Ilugc] learning a new language

2011-02-15 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 15 February 2011 18:06, Chandrashekar Babu l...@chandrashekar.infowrote:

 On 15/02/11 5:55 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

  I got a fresh copy - it rocks. (although I have only reached page 17, I
  am confident that on this attempt I will succeed in learning C)

 Good! Remember not to rush through the book. The book
 feels slim, but concepts covered are indeed thick!

+1


 You might spend more time than usual trying to
 understand the concepts, and also more time in
 finishing the exercises (as you progress forward
 through the chapters). But its definitely worth the
 effort :-)

 Enjoy hacking with C!

 Cheers,
 Chandrashekar.


IMO KR generally teach good programming style and
idioms. Lot more valuable than the language.

BTW, Tondo  Gimpel's C Answer Book is a great
addition.

http://www.flipkart.com/answer-book-2nd-ed-tondo-book-8120305795

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Re: [Ilugc] Understanding Free and Open source code licenses

2011-02-09 Thread Asokan Pichai
[SNIPPED]

I  do not want to discuss anything offlist - I am quite sure that lots of
 list members are eagerly following the discussion

+N

(and most of them
 cheering for you)

That I am not very sure.

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Re: [Ilugc] wanted screen recording software in Linux

2011-01-27 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 27 January 2011 14:18, Swapnil swapnil.bhart...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 01/27/2011 07:40 AM, murali wrote:
  we need to track their
  activity (every site they go or every mouse movement happens) this would
  help us whether they are really working productively else wasting their
  time.
 Big brother is watching. Lack of mutual trust? It wont work in the long
 run.


IMHO, not even in the short run.


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Re: [Ilugc] Resource persons on Python

2011-01-12 Thread Asokan Pichai
Pencil me in. Will confirm in a week


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Re: [Ilugc] import xls data into mysql

2010-12-13 Thread Asokan Pichai
xlrd is a good choice for python based reading of Excel sheets

On 13 December 2010 17:19, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:

 On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 17:11 +0530, Raman.P wrote:
   for xls to csv
   conversion script ...
 
  you can try mysqlimport for loading data. First convert to csv using
   Openoffice. If too many files are to be converted try OO with headless
  options or better using perl.

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[Ilugc] [JOB] Sys-admin and Trainers

2010-11-29 Thread Asokan Pichai
Hi folks

I am working with TalentSprint--take a look at http://www.talentsprint.com

We are looking for a sysadmin. We expect to have a couple of Linux
servers; running moodle among other things.

We are also looking for people who love teaching/training and
competent in one or more of Java/C++/C#; of course
Python and Ruby would be great too.

Please reply to me off-list

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Re: [Ilugc] [Commercial] ELPA is here ! My Company and My Vision #nsisodiya

2010-11-19 Thread Asokan Pichai
Best of Luck.

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Re: [Ilugc] Wireless USB Broadband provider in and around Chennai

2010-11-08 Thread Asokan Pichai
I have used Tata Photon and Reliance and both at the same point of
time so I can compare. Both worked reasonably well. But the Tata
device consistently gave better speed and robust connection. Reliance
dropped fairly often; while the Tata almost never.

I used it on a Mac and on a Linux Machine (Ubuntu, wvdial)

CAVEAT This is based on my usage in Chennai only. /CAVEAT

But in one respect Reliance is in my blacklist. Their service at the
service centers is abyssmal.
I needed copies of old bills and they simply said We cannot give
you. (This is not the only one reason).

Finally I surrendered my Reliance data card in mid-Sep. That required
a bit of song and dance finally I
did it. For one week after that I was called up by higher and higher
(in their own words) level folks
from Reliance asking why. I had to repeatedly tell them to refer to my
detailed letter.

After that stopped, the calls for over-due bills -- for October
started--I am routinely called two-three times a week
and everyone is so unsurprised at the fact I have surrendered the card
and still getting bugged and billed.

I am hoping to fix it when I visit Chennai, but based on past meetings
at the Besant Nagar Reliance Center it wont be
easy. SIGH


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Re: [Ilugc] Need your suggestion

2010-08-24 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 24 August 2010 21:20, Shakthi Kannan shakthim...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 --- On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:32 PM, subhojit ojha
 subhojit.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 | I have suggested him to concentrate in JAVA and
 | Python, since I feel that JAVA is widely used Opensource language and Python
 | is also growing fast and has same type of features like JAVA.
 |
 | I am not a programmer
 \--

 Contradiction?

 Widely used doesn't necessarily mean that it helps in solving
 problems. Always use a programming language that helps you to solve a
 particular programming problem, rather than choosing a programming
 language, and then deciding to solve all problems with it.

+10

If the only tool in your hand is a hammer,
every problem looks like a nail
--- Edsger Dijkstra

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Re: [Ilugc] OAOD (OpenShot)

2010-08-17 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 17 August 2010 11:54, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:
 On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 04:48 +0530, Dhastha Gheer wrote:

 To install:

 sudo apt-get install openshot

 here we go again! For your information, this does not work on redhat,
 fedora, centOS, lenny, mandriva, opensuse, gentoo, slackware,
 sabayon ... (I think some one needs to start One Distro a Day (ODAD).

Dear Dastha Gheer

Please consider adding some text on equivalent commands for
a few other distros and make it a footer to your mails.

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Re: [Ilugc] OAOD (QuteCom)

2010-08-16 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 17 August 2010 01:04, Anthoni Shogan anthoni.li...@gmail.com wrote:
[Snipped]
 @OP: You are doing a great job, kindly make a note of this!
+1. Thanks for the great job.

We need people who post good stuff. And I equally important
are ideas and suggestions to increase the value, reach  and utility
of such posts.

 One needs positive karma to suggest rules to list members. In m
 opinion, Mr Victor Johnson, you do not have that.

 Ahem, couldn't find the karma points on ilugc sites.

Here Shogan: I bequeath all my karma to you!
Use it wisely!!


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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] From Mark Shuttleworth

2010-07-30 Thread Asokan Pichai
Well. Mr Shuttleworth is not very well known for practising what he preaches.

You may look at
http://blog.printf.net/articles/2009/09/25/on-keynotes-and-apologies
http://geekfeminism.org/2009/09/28/a-followup-on-the-shuttleworth-incident/

On 31 July 2010 10:04, Akilan R akila...@gmail.com wrote:
 A very neat and timely essay from Mark Shuttleworth about tribalism in Free
 Software world:

Well. Mr Shuttleworth is not very well known for practising what he preaches.

You may look at
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http://geekfeminism.org/2009/09/28/a-followup-on-the-shuttleworth-incident/




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Re: [Ilugc] Request for tamil lovers

2010-07-15 Thread Asokan Pichai
I think it is time for the moderator to consider collecting opinions
and taking a decision.

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Re: [Ilugc] why GNU should not be added to linux

2010-06-04 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 4 June 2010 18:13, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:
 as per request of the admin, subject changed (please drop the 'was' part in
 reply)

[Detailed, well written response snipped]
The key difference is that the GNU toolchain was used to build almost
all the remaining xx% and even today I am sure the toolchain which RMS
was instrumental in building is used to generate majority of the
content in a distro.

And that list of things built using the GNU toolchain includes the kernel.

Whether that justifies calling it GNU/Linux is a personal choice IMO.

KG's well written note tends to suggest that RMS wants credit and
thats the only reason--I see that insistence more as a continued
reminder of the principles he has espoused, in contrast to the
pragmatic(?) stance of Linus.

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Re: [Ilugc] [RTI] Founders of ILUGC

2010-05-22 Thread Asokan Pichai
Prabhu Ramachandran
K Arun

Neither of them is active in the ChennaiLUG--Prabhu is in Bombay, Arun is in US.

Prabhu is _VERY_ active in python development and dissemination

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Re: [Ilugc] Kind Request to the Workshop Organisers

2010-04-20 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 20 April 2010 21:17, sri kumaran cyberdyne_ind...@yahoo.com wrote:
 It sounded more of like snubbing anyways hard feeling apart
...The main reasons why i started this topic was to request the organizers to 
record the proceedings.

Did it involve more of talking Mr . Ravi ..I dont think so..
[snipped]
YES. It is just talking. Organize if you can to record; or organize
for some x students to be present and ask ILUGC people to come and
conduct. We will do it.

IOW, say specific things like
I will ensure X students are present at Y place for topics Z on so
and so dates. Please bring volunteers to train.

Dont tell people who are already volunteering how/what to do

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Re: [Ilugc] Kind Request to the Workshop Organisers

2010-04-20 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 20 April 2010 22:41, sri kumaran cyberdyne_ind...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Dont tell people who are already volunteering how/what to do
 So you dont need suggestions and feedbacks
Suggestions and feedbacks are  useless by themselves. Because from the
1996 LDD we have been receiving those by the tonne. But without any
work whatsoever these are bound to remain just that. Take the idea of
videos. Where is the camera? Who will take the effort to record and
upload?
You seem to be coming across as You guys are anyway doing the other
thing; please do this also

..Thanks, made yourself very clear.
I sincerely hope so

I would have organized workshops if I had the expertise .
Organising requires effort not  expertise.

I would definitely try to find group interested in foss call ILUG ppl to give 
a workshop ..
That would be very welcome.

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Re: [Ilugc] commandlinefu

2010-04-02 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 2 April 2010 14:55, Rajagopal Swaminathan raju.rajs...@gmail.com wrote:
 Greetings,

 There a site http://www.commandlinefu.com

 Hope some members find it interesting
I find it very useful to teach people


 Regards,

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I saw an article about setting your shell command history to a large
number say 100,000. The article also had some other interesting tips
centred around this. Anyone remembers the links? My googling hasnt
turned up anything useful

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Re: [Ilugc] commandlinefu

2010-04-02 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 2 April 2010 15:03, Asokan Pichai paso...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 2 April 2010 14:55, Rajagopal Swaminathan raju.rajs...@gmail.com wrote:
 Greetings,

 There a site http://www.commandlinefu.com

 Hope some members find it interesting
 I find it very useful to teach people


 Regards,

 Rajagopal

 I saw an article about setting your shell command history to a large
 number say 100,000. The article also had some other interesting tips
 centred around this. Anyone remembers the links? My googling hasnt
 turned up anything useful

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Writing to ilugc seems to improve my googling skills:-)

This is the one I was looking for:
http://dancingpenguinsoflight.com/2008/11/bash-history-tips-and-tricks/

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Re: [Ilugc] Job Opening at Techgaruda

2010-03-14 Thread Asokan Pichai
On 15 March 2010 11:14, Raman.P raam...@yahoo.co.in wrote:

 --- On Mon, 15/3/10, Arun Khan knu...@gmail.com wrote:

 rant
 Oh well,  I have come across such candidates and their
 emails go to /dev/null :D
 The colleges/universities must have a mandatory course How
 to apply
 for jobs 101; candidates who fail this course loose 1
 year.
 /rant

 rant continued
 There should be syllabus for How to apply for jobs 101
 There should be textbooks
 There should be a question bank
 There should be blueprint of Q.Paper with choice details so that some 
 portions can be skipped
 There should be weekly,cycle,monthly tests
 All employers are expected to get apllication as given in the syllabus. Any 
 employer expecting differently is not a good/standard company
 /rant continued

 Raman.P
 blog:http://ramanchennai.wordpress.com/

You forgot the Guides/Notes and Coaching Classes!

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Re: [Ilugc] Re: Inauguration of FOSS Club

2010-02-28 Thread Asokan Pichai
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:

 in addition, make sure that you recruit at least one staff member so that
 he/she can continue when you leave. Also that will ensure that you have 
 official
 support for your activities.
+1
This is very critical. Also as I wrote to you earlier, please ensure
that FOSS is seen as being important to all not just CS/IT folks.

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Re: Subject: Re: [Ilugc] [Commercial] ilug.in and ilug.org.in

2010-02-27 Thread Asokan Pichai
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:
 On Saturday 27 Feb 2010 12:13:22 pm Nishant Prakash Kashyap wrote:
 I know about your capacity, you dont have to tell it publicly that you
 cannot afford and you are a beggar.


 I was expressing my opinion of domain squatters. Anyway, since you want to
 profit from your enterprise, I will raise my bid to 5 paise.

Touche KG!

At this rate he just needs to insult all ilugc members a few million
times (@4 paise per insult) to make some decent money

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Re: [ilugc] DSCET-FOSS Club

2010-02-16 Thread Asokan Pichai
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Ranjith Kumar ranjitht...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
  I`m very glad to tell that our college (Dhanalakshmi Srinivasan College Of
 Engineering  Technology, Chennai) has inaugurated Linux User Group
Congratulations


 and we named as GLUG.
I seem to have seen a similar acronym for another LUG;

I must really thank Mr.Shanu Sukoor and Mr.Alagunambi Welkin
 who initiated and give FOSS Intro and its needs which created FOSS awareness
 among our Students. I also thank my HOD Mrs. G. Kalaiarasai, Miss R.Sarasu
 (Our GLUG Staff Coordinator) and all CSE department Students.
[snip]

Please do try to make it inclusive. FOSS is not  only for CS students.

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Re: [Ilugc] help me...

2010-02-08 Thread Asokan Pichai
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Vamsee Kanakala vkanak...@gmail.com wrote:
 Anitha ani wrote:

 hello , i,m anitha ,my  final year project is tagging:social
 filtering for personalized bookmarks i'm doin tat in java/j2ee , and
 i'm accesin datas from delicious server which is a bookmarkin site.. i
 need to do filterin in tat.. is there any open source  fitering tool
 available..can anybody help me 


 Sorry if this is going to come off as rude, but you really need to get rid
 of that sms-speak when mailing a technical forum.

+1

 Some of us are crusty old
 fellows here, so we might not be clued into your teen lingo.

+10

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Re: [Ilugc] ilugc.in stats

2010-02-07 Thread Asokan Pichai
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Yogesh yogeshg1...@gmail.com wrote:
 2010/2/5 Bharathi Subramanian sbhara...@midascomm.com

 Don't learn every thing from Wikipedia. KG wrote the actual meaning
 and link refers a business term, which is inferred from the actual
 meaning.


 Wikipedia did help! I needed someplace to start .. I know what it means in
 terms of agriculture. But had no idea what it had to do in the growth(?)
 of a site..
 The discussion helped though! ;-)

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There is something I wanted to throw in, so decided to get into this
ego contest/discussion. [It also helps that as a long time chennai
luggie my asbestos suit is quite battle hardened]

Organic growth for organizations, specially for businesses, means that
the organization grows by selling more products, reaching to more
customers, creating new products etc., Inorganic growth refers to
growth achieved by acquisition of other companies.

Now exactly where the original 'wish' for ILUGC to grow organically
came in is not clear, but 
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Re: [Ilugc] ilugc.in stats

2010-02-05 Thread Asokan Pichai
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:24 PM, steve st...@lonetwin.net wrote:
 On 02/05/2010 06:33 PM, Salvadesswaran P.S. wrote:

 [..snip..]
 When will sanity return to this list? Peace!


 ahem, return ? *cough*

 ;-)
 cheers,
 - steve

+1 :-)
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Re: [Ilugc] free seminare on FOSS using startups

2010-01-06 Thread Asokan Pichai
And the Time machine pick-up point is...?

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
law...@thenilgiris.com wrote:
 hi,

 http://www.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in/full/77/AN/

 a free seminar on startups and FOSS. Talks by people who are actually doing
 this would benefit anyone interested in this sphere
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Re: [Ilugc] [TAMTRANS] simulator

2010-01-06 Thread Asokan Pichai
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:56 AM, malathi selvaraj
malathira...@gmail.com wrote:
 operand - வினை ஏற்பி
 opcode  - யக்கக் குறிமுறை

Again apologies for using roman script:

(kuRi)muRai -- is more appropriate for a method.
 iyakkakkuRi for opcode appears better than iyakkak kuRimuRai



 On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:44 AM, malathi selvaraj 
 malathira...@gmail.comwrote:

 hexadecimal - பதினாறிலக்கம்

 On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com
  wrote:

 hi

 simulator - பாவனி
 simulation - பாவனை
 assembler - கோர்ப்பி
 assembly language - கோர்ப்பு மொழி
 hexadecimal ?
 operand ?
 opcode ?
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Re: [Ilugc] [TAMTRANS] step in?

2010-01-05 Thread Asokan Pichai
sariyaana may be enough. Sorry my SCIM is not working

2010/1/6 Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com:
 On Wednesday 06 Jan 2010 9:54:37 am Raman.P wrote:
  எல்லைக்குள்ளான - within range

 வரையறைக்குள்ளாக/வரையறைக்குட்பட்ட

 ok

 
  செல்லத்தக்க - valid

 மதிப்புள்ள

 no - this means 'of value' or 'valuable' it does not mean 'valid'. செல்லாத 
 நோட்டு -
 'invalid note'


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Re: [Ilugc] How to setup a cloud (Cloud Computing)

2009-12-30 Thread Asokan Pichai
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Kamal Ramasubramanian
kamal@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Saravanan S dearsarava...@gmail.com wrote:
 Let me stop with this last question for him,

 Have you ever seen Cent OS  or you know what Linux is???

 LOL

 We shall see if he could reply politely.
 FOSS is about meritocracy and if you dont know who Karanbir, googling helps.

What!? And spoil the S-N ratio in this list?? No way!

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Re: [Ilugc] LaTeX

2009-12-21 Thread Asokan Pichai
You can write to CDEEP and ask them for the DVD. I am trying to
circulate a local copy.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 2:28 PM, sankarshan
sankarshan.mukhopadh...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Asokan Pichai paso...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have a DVD distributed by CDEEP, IITB, that has a large collection
 of TeX/LaTeX installables and tutorials. Please mail me off-list if
 you are interested in getting a copy

 Does CDEEP, IITB also host the DVD ISO somewhere ?


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Re: [Ilugc] LaTeX

2009-12-21 Thread Asokan Pichai
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 3:17 PM, sankarshan
sankarshan.mukhopadh...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Asokan Pichai paso...@gmail.com wrote:
 You can write to CDEEP and ask them for the DVD. I am trying to
 circulate a local copy.

 Would it be possible for you to share off-list perhaps, a contact to
 whom I should write ? An email address, preferably, would be most
 helpful.


cd...@iitb.ac.in

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[Ilugc] LaTeX

2009-12-20 Thread Asokan Pichai
I have a DVD distributed by CDEEP, IITB, that has a large collection
of TeX/LaTeX installables and tutorials. Please mail me off-list if
you are interested in getting a copy

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Re: [Ilugc] has anyone used Blender ?

2009-12-19 Thread Asokan Pichai
Take a look at: http://oscar.iitb.ac.in/aboutOscar.do




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Re: [Ilugc] how to download ,install,and use the latex

2009-12-13 Thread Asokan Pichai
There is a DVD with a lot of tutorials available from FOSSEE/CDEEP

If you are from Chennai, I can give you one by 19th--I am at scipy, Trivandrum

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 On 12/13/09, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Ravi Jaya ravi.goglob...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Ramya S vara...@gmail.com wrote:

 yum install latex for fedora,


 That must be 'yum install texlive-latex'

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Re: [Ilugc] a safe way to rm -rf *

2009-12-10 Thread Asokan Pichai
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
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 cd /var/lib/mod_tile/default
 rm -rf *

 How about `rm -rf /var/lib/mod_tile/default/*' ?


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Re: [Ilugc] [TAMTRANS] reviewer wanted

2009-11-16 Thread Asokan Pichai
Please send a copy. I am currently on a ubuntu 9.10 system. Tell me if
there is anything I need to install to view/edit


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Re: [Ilugc] .a-tip-a-day. (cksum utility in OpenBSD)

2009-11-15 Thread Asokan Pichai
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Girish Venkatachalam
girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Kapil Hari Paranjape ka...@imsc.res.in 
 wrote:

[snipped]

 Hey, I was talking math and you are talking something else.

[snipped]

Might be illuminating for Girish (and others) to check what Kapil does.
HINT: look after the @sign in his email address.

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Re: [Ilugc] [TAMTRANS] some new words

2009-11-10 Thread Asokan Pichai
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:06 PM, amachu ramada...@amachu.net wrote:
 On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 19:59 +0530, Vinod Parthasarathy wrote:
 I was primarily looking at the electronic encoding. But, even though
 the
 meanings vary slightly depending on the context(specifically, only the
 source and target format varies), the base meaning(conversion of
 information
 from one format to another) remains the same, and that is what the
 translation captures.

 there is another context that we deal with,

 font encoding

 where I normally translate it as எழுத்துருவாக்கம்


what about font generation?

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Re: [Ilugc] Required experienced person for matlab alternatives workshop

2009-11-06 Thread Asokan Pichai
Take a look at fossee.in

The FOSSEE project's mandate from MHRD is to train faculty (and
students) in open source alternatives to MATLAB etc.,

We will be very happy to conduct a two-day hands-on workshop on
Python for Engineering and Scientific Computing. We have so far
conducted it at BP, Pune, BITS Goa and this weekend we will be
conducting in Calicut University.


Please do contact paso...@fossee.in

I explained this when I came to AVIT for the FOSS club inauguration
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Re: [Ilugc] [TAMTRANS] common words

2009-10-26 Thread Asokan Pichai
விருப்பம் is closer to preference

ஆவல் is closer to wish

2009/10/27 amachu ramada...@amachu.net:
 On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 08:32 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

 3. preferences - விருப்பங்கள்? தேர்வுகள்?

 ஆவல் - ஆவல்கள் is another good alternative..

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