Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Best first language
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Sundaram KR sundaram.ramachand...@kggroup.com wrote: For my son who is in ICSE school, they taught him Scratch and Alice when he was 7. Both these 'free' software packages are very good first languages for kids - they are fun, easy to learn and very powerful programming concepts can be taught. Links for the Lazy - http://scratch.mit.edu/ and http://www.alice.org/ I've heard good things about Scratch. Why not try some of the suggestions and tell us how it went. Roshan -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Best first language
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Manokaran K manoka...@gmail.com wrote: Khan Academy has started a CS stream. I have not looked into it entirely so am not sure how appropriate it will be for a 6 year old. But I think it should be good because John Resig (of jQuery) is implementing Bret Victor's ideas of an interactive programming environment to make programming fun. Bret Victor's thoughts on all this - http://worrydream.com/LearnableProgramming/ -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) released
On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Arun Khan (অরুণ খান্/अरुण खान) knu...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, please announce when 12.10.1 is available. Announcements are made at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [chennaipy 1434] September Monthly Meet
I'd like to highlight the following from the forwarded mail below: After the meet, at 5:00pm, we will be having a meet-up of the people participating in the Brown University course Introduction to Programming Languages. If you're taking CS173 [1], please try to come, else just mail Vijay and let him know you're taking it... in case we decide to have other meetups later. Roshan [1] http://www.cs.brown.edu/courses/cs173/2012/ On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Vijay Kumar vijayku...@bravegnu.org Date: Sep 19, 2012 2:14 PM Subject: [chennaipy 1434] September Monthly Meet To: chenna...@googlegroups.com = September Monthly Meet == Date Time 22 September 3:00pm to 5:00pm == Venue Zilogic Systems, Fourth Main Road, Kamaraj Nagar, Thiruvanmiyur, Chennai Location map: http://www.zilogic.com/**contact.htmlhttp://www.zilogic.com/contact.html == Agenda * Flask - Lightweight Python web framework - 15min by Rengaraj * File I/O - II - 15min by Bala * Solving Algebraic Equations using SymPy - 15min by Vijay Kumar * If you would like to give a talk, just come prepared, we will be able to accommodate you. After the meet, at 5:00pm, we will be having a meet-up of the people participating in the Brown University course Introduction to Programming Languages. If you are new to Python, the tutorial Learn Python in 10 Minutes http://www.korokithakis.net/**tutorials/python/http://www.korokithakis.net/tutorials/python/will give you a quick overview of what Python is all about. If you are coming to the meet, please sign-up for the event at http://www.groupomatic.com/**ko9noioo http://www.groupomatic.com/ko9noioo Regards, Vijay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Chennaipy group. Wiki at http://nrcfosshelpline.in/**chennaipy/http://nrcfosshelpline.in/chennaipy/ To post to this group, send email to chenna...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to chennaipy-unsubscribe@** googlegroups.com chennaipy-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/chennaipy?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/chennaipy?hl=en ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What Killed the Linux Desktop, by Miguel de Icaza
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:02 PM, l...@chandrashekar.info wrote: But Miguel's quote about OSX as being more refined or rather appealing to developer community seems a bit exaggerated to me. Most OSes provide one way to do things and are somewhat locked-down in my opinion, and that includes OSX too. Linux on the other hand - only serves as a base platform for us (as in developers) to innovate and do things the way we like it. The way I see it - Linux has created an ecosystem for power-users to build, share and promote our ideas and products. The so-called desktop paradigm is dying fast and is going to vanish in the coming times (like MS-DOS, AmigaOS did in the mid 90s) leading to appliance devices and apps hosted on the cloud and accessible using web browsers. Linux already has a good market share in these area and is future-ready. Here is a pre-iPhone (March 2005) article talking about developers moving to the Mac - http://paulgraham.com/mac.html -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] What Killed the Linux Desktop, by Miguel de Icaza
http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] [OT?] Fwd: [racket] on-line programming languages course
In case you haven't seen the forwarded message below already. I think there are some 15 people in Chennai (don't know them), and some 45 in Bangalore who have already registered. Registrations close this Monday, so if you're interested sign up. Maybe someone can organize a study group in Chennai too. Roshan -- Forwarded message -- From: Shriram Krishnamurthi s...@cs.brown.edu Date: Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:16 PM Subject: [racket] on-line programming languages course To: Racket us...@lists.racket-lang.org We are making freely available our upper-level programming languages course. People anywhere are welcome to participate in this on-line version. All the details are here: http://www.cs.brown.edu/courses/cs173/2012/OnLine/ Please feel free to disseminate this information. If you have questions, please post them here: https://plus.google.com/117185293319274359863/posts/9rfginQ3w82 I look forward to seeing you in class! Shriram Krishnamurthi, Instructor Joe Gibbs Politz, Associate Instructor Racket Users list: http://lists.racket-lang.org/users -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Need Steve Wozniak
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Karthikeyan A.K mindas...@gmail.com wrote: So to turn things in a right way I have a plan. But I need crazy people who are crazy about electronics like Steve Wozniak,if you are one please FWIW, there is a recent course available, with online textbook, video lectures, assignments, and a circuit sandbox: https://6002x.mitx.mit.edu/ -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting
+1 On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:02 PM, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 21:47 +0530, Shrinivasan T wrote: If a person wishes to answer a question, he chooses the easiest way or his own way to reply. When we ask him to change the way he replies, he gets the same thoughts on mind as I get little free time, I wish to make it useful for the community. I check email and reply, if I know the answers for any queries. If there are restrictions a.k.a guidelines on how I have to reply to a email, I will skip replying, instead of formatting the email for better readability. to be frank, we do not need such people on this list. This attitude is typical of the casual, sloppy, unprofessional attitude towards work that many people have. If you do something, take pride in doing it to the best of your ability in an orderly and correct manner, respecting the rules and conventions followed in the field in which you are operating. If you cannot, do everyone a favour by going and doing something else. Formulating a reply on a mailing list - or contributing code to a project, or filing a bug report or anything else worth doing is worth doing well. An example: one fine day I had the bright idea of contributing a small feature to the django project. I studied all the guidelines I could find, looked at the code in similar modules, wrote up the patch, tried it out and then posted a ticket and sat back waiting for acceptance and praise to flow in. Some one accepted the ticket and said 'where are your tests?'. I said 'doctests are there'. He said 'we need unit tests'. I went back, wrote unit tests, ran them and resubmitted. Then he said - 'tests are failing for python 2.5'. Went back, set up a virtualenv, installed 2.5 and found the problem was upstream. The guy was good enough to check the upstream problem, and let me know when it was fixed. Tests passed - I resubmitted. Then he asks - 'you have not added docs for the new feature'. Went back and added docs. Resubmitted. Then he wants all the changes in one patch. Figured out how to do that and finally, after 6 months, my 10 lines of code was accepted. At last inpycon, I was relating my experience to a friend who is a top class programmer and an expert in django. He said he had the same experience and was like 'who do these guys think they are? They should be grateful for any contribution - not nitpick on the formatting'. He refuses to contribute. That to me sounds like the attitude of top posters in this list. I am not getting this regulations, in office office mail is totally different - most offices have the policy of compulsory top posting and full quoting of the mail in order to keep context. and in most of the other lists. which lists are these? If there are regular inspection on how I am replying, I will be just a reader than contributor so be it - as far as I am concerned the only greater pleasure than reading well crafted, precisely formatted replies to queries on mailing lists is managing to write such replies. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:36 PM, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: [...] If one looks at the sites of redhat, fedora, suse, debian, mandriva, one finds plentiful mention of the word linux. But the word is missing in the sites of two 'popular' distros - android and ubuntu. FWIW, number of times the word linux is visible on page (not in the source of the page): |--+-+---| | Distro | URL | Count | |--+-+---| | Debian | http://www.debian.org/ | 0 | | Fedora | http://fedoraproject.org/ |2* | | Mandriva | http://www.mandriva.com/en/ |12 | | Redhat | http://www.redhat.com/ | 0 | | Suse | http://www.suse.com/|13 | | Ubuntu | http://www.ubuntu.com/ | 0 | |--+-+---| *2 for Fedora, not counting a customer quote which mentions it three times. -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:56 PM, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 14:55 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote: law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: [...] If one looks at the sites of redhat, fedora, suse, debian, mandriva, one finds plentiful mention of the word linux. But the word is missing in the sites of two 'popular' distros - android and ubuntu. FWIW, number of times the word linux is visible on page (not in the source of the page): I said 'site' not 'page'. Number of Google search results for linux on site: |--+---| | Search phrase| Count | |--+---| | linux site:debian.org| 2,430,000 | | linux site:fedoraproject.org | 193,000 | | linux site:mandriva.com | 186,000 | | linux site:redhat.com| 1,440,000 | | linux site:suse.com | 159,000 | | linux site:ubuntu.com| 1,460,000 | |--+---| Also relevant, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:57 PM, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: congratulations - I am sure you went through each of these links to find out where they were on the site, in what context they were there, whether they were put there by the authors of the site and how visible they are to the viewers of the site. Those were just some random stats I found after reading your original FUD. But then, I'm sure that when you were saying site and not page, you went through all the sites to do your due diligence? And here's one more which you can add to your collection of useless statistics: site:microsoft.com linux322,000 Why is that useless? According to the Linux Foundation [1], Microsoft was one of the largest corporate contributors of Linux in 2011. [1] http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/04/linux-kernel-in-2011-15-million-total-lines-of-code-and-microsoft-is-a-top-contributor/ -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] talk on 18th
Learning Perl the Hard Way http://greenteapress.com/perl/ Looks interesting. On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 13:08, Girish Venkatachalam girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com wrote: Another reminder. We have a perl talk on 18th Sunday. -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] talk on 18th
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 08:23, Girish Venkatachalam girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com wrote: Just a gentle reminder: http://ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2011-November/068653.html Please make it if you find it useful to attend. Do we just show up with the money in hand? Or else you can set up something at http://doattend.com ... any other confirmation of participation required? It will also be useful to know what you plan to cover - is it Perl for programmers, or Perl as an introduction to programming. This sounds good. -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Indian GNU/R Group Invite
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 03:39, A. Mani a.mani@gmail.com wrote: Please join if interested in R: https://groups.google.com/group/r-group-india There is also the somewhat active Bangalore R Users at https://groups.google.com/group/brumail Weirdly enough, R is also called GNU S. -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Need Advice, Linux/FOSS Gurus from India
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 14:07, Swapnil Bhartiya swapnil.bhart...@gmail.com wrote: Linus' interview made me think if there really is lack of Linux gurus? So, I am thinking of a sub-section in Muktware where we profile/feature one Linux/FOSS expert from India every week. What's your opinion? Here is one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Peter_Ellis/Suparna_Bhattacharya -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu Community Appreciation Day
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 07:05, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: I suggest you study the history of Ubuntu propaganda - there is a long thread on this in this list (search for 'african spaceman'). It is unfortunate but true that Ubuntu does not follow the norms for healthy competition between distros that are followed by *all* the other distros. The only african spaceman I could find was you asking people to search for it in March of this year. -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [TIP] perl script for downloading using HTTP
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 13:33, Balachandran Sivakumar benignb...@gmail.com wrote: Just learning Perl. This really helps. The language seems to be using too many symbols :) Thanks They're called sigils - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigil_(computer_programming) -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [ILUG-BOM] Interview of Linus Torvalds; He Also Speaks Of Sad Situation Of India
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:26, Vigneshwaran vigneshwaran2...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Ravi Kumar Tenneti rktenn...@gmail.comwrote: In continuation to Senthil's mail, I would like all the members of ILUGC to go through the Macaulay's speech in British Parliament in 1835. Sorry for attaching an image but I think this will be apt here. Regards Ravi Kumar [image: cid:10.771186929@web7701.mail.in.yahoo.com] Cannot view the image. A fake quote that lots of people like to pull out from time to time - http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/articles/hinduism/macaulay.html -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Petition] 'Restricted' Boot Window8
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 20:58, r. siddharth rsiddharth.m...@gmail.com wrote: You may sign the petition by going here : [redacted] For more information on this, you may go here : [redacted] Your mail got flagged as spam. Even if it had not been, I wouldn't have clicked on a shortened link sent by someone I don't know, the same will be true of many people on this forum. Fwiw, fyi. Roshan -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Fwd: Announcement: db-class.org enrollment starts today
Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but there is also: ai-class.com and www.ml-class.com and then on reddit.com you can find /r/aiclass, /r/mlclass and /r/dbclass Anyone taking these courses? Roshan On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 16:17, ijeyant...@gmail.com ijeyant...@gmail.comwrote: Hello People, If someone is interested in Databases, and forgot to enroll :) Hope it helps. -- Forwarded message -- From: nore...@db-class.org Date: Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:57 PM Subject: Announcement: db-class.org enrollment starts today Dear Jeyanthan, Thank you for signing up for the online Introduction to Databases class. We are now open for enrollment at http://www.db-class.org/. Once you register, you will also have access to some initial content -- you can even get a head start on the lectures and assignments. Feel free to forward this email to your friends who might be interested in databases. If you have friends also taking the class, we strongly encourage you to form a study group to discuss the material and help each other with the technical content, and perhaps even to get together at a regular time to watch the videos together. Having a study group can make learning this material easier and more fun! Please go to http://www.db-class.org/ to enroll. We look forward to helping you become an expert in databases! Prof. Jennifer Widom Computer Science Department Stanford University -- Regards - Jeyanthan http://ijeyanthan.com/ http://madurai.gtugs.org/ http://www.symposiumz.net/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Arduino Boards
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 17:41, Bharathi Subramanian bharathi.l...@gmail.com wrote: I am planning to buy few Arduino Boards. I gone thru some Indian sites, the cost of the boards are 10% to 20% higher then the Singapore price. Any suggestions on low cost and reliable boards? I have been meaning to go visit SimpleLabs, but haven't done so yet - http://build.simplelabs.co.in/content/arduino-uno Dunno if they have what you want, though. Roshan -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [slightly OT] free dns service
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 08:47, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: model. I do not mind paying for my commercial usage, but would like to ask members for options for free dns for my free sites. https://pointhq.com/ -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] How to make ILUGC list user friendly?
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 05:26, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: The people who took offence were some do-gooders who where trying to educate people how to answer questions - but the interesting thing is that *they* did not make the slightest effort to answer the question. Wow, this is such a good point! Although, like with most other issues, both sides have valid arguments. Meta-discussions such as these don't go anywhere, so maybe the solution is that if anyone feels that a question could have been answered better, or in a more sensitive way, go ahead and provide that better, more sensitive answer. -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] complete reference for linux
On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 10:22, balaji sivanath starbala2...@gmail.com wrote: Suggest me such kind of book or pdf. http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Commercial] Linux Open Source Jobs Site Announced
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:27, Raman.P raam...@yahoo.co.in wrote: Coimbatore LUG rox s/rox/rocks You can't assume that. KG is quite old. Maybe that was the name of his pet dinosaur. Or is that rex? -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] dvorak and emacs
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:38, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 11:27 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote: (global-set-key (kbd C-u) ctl-x-map) but this also does not work. Any clues will be appreciated. clarification: I simply put the above lines in .emacs. I have a feeling that this is not enough - it needs more code to get it to work - can someone give me a clue here please. (global-set-key (kbd C-u) (lookup-key global-map (kbd C-x))) doesn't work for me Weird. Emacs version? And just to be clear you want to use C-u instead of C-x, right? So you'd save a file with C-u C-s instead of C-x C-s. (I'm guessing dvorak makes the original keychord a contortionist's feat.) -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] dvorak and emacs
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:08, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: (global-set-key (kbd C-u) ctl-x-map) but this also does not work. Any clues will be appreciated. clarification: I simply put the above lines in .emacs. I have a feeling that this is not enough - it needs more code to get it to work - can someone give me a clue here please. (global-set-key (kbd C-u) (lookup-key global-map (kbd C-x))) Seemed to have worked. I looked this up here: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/PrefixKey Just in this case this helps you, (or someone else), the thing was knowing that C-x is a prefix key. Trying out commands in the *scratch* buffer. You hit C-j and it will execute it immediately, so you don't have to update .emacs and restart. (It will still need to go into .emacs if you want the change to persist.) ((Also, M-: allows you to run expressions in Emacs)), and just in case you haven't already run into these: C-h f to lookup help on functions, C-h k to lookup what a keybinding does. Emacs is the extensible, customizable, **self-documenting** real-time display editor. -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] How much GNU is there in GNU/Linux?
Found this via Hacker News: http://pedrocr.net/text/how-much-gnu-in-gnu-linux Discussion: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2605470 -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [kanchilug] Re: [Tip] Change to the previous working directory
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 16:22, Tha.Suresh jemenisur...@gmail.com wrote: Can you post on pushd and popd which i feel is better than cd. pushd/popd are cool but a bit obscure ... cd - is straightforward ! `cd -' is what I use while typing in the shell, mostly because it is easier for me to remember where I came from, instead of a stack of directories. There is also a `dirs' command that shows the current directory stack, which is automatically called when you do a `pushd' or `popd'. `pushd/popd' are fantastic when you are writing shell scripts, which is rare enough for me that I might be doing it wrong. -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Two days training programme in MIT
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 08:54, Baskar Selvaraj bas...@linuxpert.in wrote: A two days Free training program on FOSS lab setup and administration was organised by Anna University, MIT Campus for system admins / lab technical assistants of engineering colleges. It was held on 6th and 7th May 2011. The 2 days session was handled by me. Fantastic work, Baskar. Are these events invite-only, or only for the students of specific colleges, or can anyone attend them? If they are open, could you announce them before the actual event? Roshan -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Store buffered videos in ubuntu
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 17:01, Navaneethan navaneetha...@gmail.com wrote: How you are getting videos in your system ? From http://www.youtube.com/static?gl=UStemplate=terms Content is provided to you AS IS. You may access Content for your information and personal use solely as intended through the provided functionality of the Service and as permitted under these Terms of Service. You shall not download any Content unless you see a “download” or similar link displayed by YouTube on the Service for that Content. You shall not copy, reproduce, distribute, transmit, broadcast, display, sell, license, or otherwise exploit any Content for any other purposes without the prior written consent of YouTube or the respective licensors of the Content. YouTube and its licensors reserve all rights not expressly granted in and to the Service and the Content. :) -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 14:59, Manokaran K manoka...@gmail.com wrote: I might be wrong but of late I get a feeling that the number of users policing the list is more than the number actually discussing anything! Is the theory that the former is stifling the latter true or just a post hoc fallacy? Better not at all, than to speeching incorrectly. PS - list admin, can we update the mailing list guidelines to ban complaining about the mailing list guidelines, so that we can prevent people from posting mails like this? -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] too much policing?
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 15:52, Akilan R akila...@gmail.com wrote: +1. While suggestions for new rules and discussions on list rules are welcome; asking people not to enforce existing rules are not. If we all pull together as a team, the information purification directives will help us create a garden of pure ideology — where each member may bloom, secure from the pests purveying contradictory truths. We are one people, with one will, one resolve, one cause. We shall prevail! -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 13:14, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: Aladdin, who were the sole copyright holders of Ghostscript invented the dual licensing model. You claimed that Aladdin had a deal with FSF. I don't see any evidence of that. You didn't see any evidence to the contrary either. Quoting from http://devlinux.org/deutsch-interview.html#sec6 [...] I promised Stallman in writing that all future versions of Ghostscript would be released with the GPL. -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 13:57, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/22/2011 01:19 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 13:14, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Aladdin, who were the sole copyright holders of Ghostscript invented the dual licensing model. You claimed that Aladdin had a deal with FSF. I don't see any evidence of that. You didn't see any evidence to the contrary either. If you provide the claim, I am not going to look for evidence to the contrary. That wouldn't make sense. You didn't ask for citations or evidence, you asserted that the opposite was true. Your ambiguous language and tone made it look like you knew what you were talking about. Quoting from http://devlinux.org/deutsch-interview.html#sec6 [...] I promised Stallman in writing that all future versions of Ghostscript would be released with the GPL. Is this what you are referring to as a deal with FSF? This is merely a informal arrangement with RMS at best. If you are a copyright holder, how you license your software is your sole discretion. So, a promise made to someone in writing is not a deal, but an informal arrangement? Is that your objection to what I originally wrote? Should I have said Peter Deutsch, the creator of Ghostscript had an informal arrangement (in writing) with RMS to release it under the GPL (and transfer copyrights to the FSF), but used to release the latest version under a different license? -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 15:13, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/22/2011 02:27 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: You didn't ask for citations or evidence, you asserted that the opposite was true. Your ambiguous language and tone made it look like you knew what you were talking about. Yes, I was aware that there wasn't any deal (asking for citation for this isn't useful because noone can prove a negative). You can't be aware of a negative, unless you can prove it. In that case you were only unaware of the deal, which you post facto decided to call an informal agreement, despite it being characterized as a written promise. My objection to your understanding is that I don't believe that there was any copyright transfer to FSF. Aladdin held the copyright and licensed it under GPL and various other licenses but never transferred copyright which is the entire basis of their business model. It is possible to practise dual licensing without copyright transfer but only if the contributed portions are permissively licensed which was not the case for Ghostscript. Again, do you have any evidence to back up your belief? Or should we just take it at face value? Looking at the releases in http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/ghost/gnu/ ... version 2.3 was Copyright (C) 1988 Richard M. Stallman, version 4.03 was Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc. In 2004, Ghostscript left the GNU project and changed it's name from GNU Ghostscript to GPL Ghostscript. The rest of your of your statements are non-sequiturs to what I said. True, but irrelevant to the points you were replying to. Now, unless you have something to add based on facts you are aware of, you are just trolling. Please don't do that, it just wastes everybody's time. Roshan Mathews -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 15:55, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/22/2011 03:28 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: In that case you were only unaware of the deal, which you post facto decided to call an informal agreement, despite it being characterized as a written promise. I don't see it characterized as a written promise. If you are aware of a written promise, then do point me to it. Otherwise, I have no reason to believe that. I've already linked to, and quoted the relevant source. This is what you initially tried to refute: * Ghostscript had a deal with FSF to make the latest-but-one version GPL, but they sold the latest version with a commercial license. I could keep chasing you around as you continue making new assertions, but this has gone on long enough. -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 15:38, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 15:28 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote: Now, unless you have something to add based on facts you are aware of, you are just trolling. Please don't do that, it just wastes everybody's time. this is uncalled for. He does not troll. I disagree. -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 19:02, Vanitha Kumar vanithak.2...@gmail.com wrote: In other words, Can we make use of *readily available* *FREE software* to *make money* Producing open source software: * Qt had it's code dual licensed, they sold commercial licenses. Then TrollTech was bought by Nokia, so the shareholders made money there too. * Ghostscript had a deal with FSF to make the latest-but-one version GPL, but they sold the latest version with a commercial license. Using open source software: * A graphics artist using GIMP will make money the same ways as someone using Photoshop. * A journalist using OpenOffice is selling his articles. Selling/supporting open source software produced by others, you get paid for your expertise: * Setting up an office. * Handling installation, system administration. If we have some real life examples in the form of entrepreneurs here, that would be great. I'm not a real-life example, but the company I work for has some open source software, not sure we directly make any money from it though. Roshan -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 01:50, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/21/2011 08:33 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: * Ghostscript had a deal with FSF to make the latest-but-one version GPL, but they sold the latest version with a commercial license. There was no deal with FSF. They were the sole copyright holders and don't require permission or deals with anyone in such a situation. Who do you refer to as they above? Aladdin released Ghostscript under the AFPL, and only old releases were made available under the GPL. The versions released under the GPL were called GNU Ghostscript. In either case, that's an example of someone making a living by producing free software. -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] factorial
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:17, Vijay Kumar B. vijayku...@bravegnu.org wrote: Use lookup tables. If you are using 32 bit ints to store numbers, you need a lookup table till 12. That's a pretty fantastic answer! -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] problem installing RT
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 09:58, satyaakam goswami satyaa...@gmail.com wrote: I press enter, and after a few minutes the question appears again for the next module. This has been going on for some days now as I do not have the time to keep watching and pressing enter. Is there an easier way? http://bit.ly/fbe0Ov Hey Satya, please don't shorten URLs you post to the list. It's a nuisance to open an anonymous browser window and paste just to see if it is safe. But, it's totally your call. :-) -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] New Year Resolution
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 16:38, Kumaran R kuma...@techie.com wrote: Hi, TLDR. Let's all resolve not to spam mailing lists! -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] How to solve the 500 internal error in a rails app
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 22:22, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.com wrote: I have a rails application hosted in debian with apache. https://groups.google.com/group/chennairb https://groups.google.com/group/bangalorerug -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Regd: dbconfig-common creating schema
Maybe you're sending HTML mail which is getting eaten up. See if you can send a plain text email. Roshan On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 16:15, vellingiri velling...@bksystems.co.in wrote: ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Bid ByeBye to Google Search, say DuckDuckGo!
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 19:28, Yogesh Girikumar yogeshg1...@gmail.com wrote: Are you sure? I used to be as paranoid. What if I strongly encrypt my data using a secure public key crypto algorithm? (openssl? GPG?). Will it not 'secure' my data? http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-techm=129236621626462 You can 'trust' that your data is safe. In which case you must read Reflections on Trusting Trust: http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hi
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 07:57, Krish hari279...@gmail.com wrote: I'm very new to ubuntu. I just installed ubuntu10.4 in my laptop Dell Inspiron 1545. I don kno anythin about it. But i love to learn it. Pl suggest me any sites so that i can read and learn Pl help http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] please help me
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 17:21, ramesh kumar grkram_...@hotmail.com wrote: ubuntu 10.04 LTS repository configuration ? ubuntu 10.04 LTS version in 8 repository DVD in local configuration method please help?? You want to set up your system to install packages from the DVD that you have? Does this help? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#CD-ROM/DVD -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] installing apache linux
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 11:57, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 18:50 +0530, balaji sivanath wrote: Google is there to reply for you in seconds do you get commission for recommending google? Very unlikely, Google wouldn't be paying individuals, although they do pay Mozilla to keep Google as the default search engine: http://techcrunch.com/2008/08/28/mozilla-extends-lucrative-deal-with-google-for-3-years/ OTOH, Ubuntu is paid by Yahoo, to switch the search engine in Firefox. Yahoo had also signed a deal with Bing (from Microsoft) so that move didn't make too many fanboys happy. HTH. -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] OSM - Neat and Useful Viz
On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 19:41, Venkatraman S venka...@gmail.com wrote: Some neat viz that i spotted recently : http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/hacking-india-is-beautiful/ That's fantastic! -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tip] Lock the hardware eject button of the cdrom !!!
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 18:26, chandan gupta gupta.chand...@gmail.com wrote: any command to disable keyboard? Ctrl-S to stop. Ctrl-Q to start. -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tip] Lock the hardware eject button of the cdrom !!!
2010/11/20 விக்னேஷ் நந்த குமார் viky.nan...@gmail.com: On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: Ctrl-S to stop. Ctrl-Q to start. It doesn't work for me (Ubuntu 10.10). Anyways, I've noticed in some systems (earlier versions of GNU/Linux) that pressing Ctrl+S in terminal stops getting input from keyboard. Is this a bug? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_flow_control also try, stty ixon and stty -ixon -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] PHP to GUI Applications
On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 00:15, Vinodh Rajan vin...@virtualvinodh.com wrote: Apart from PHP-GTK is there any other framework to create GUI applications using PHP ? Why do you want to do that? Is it because you're already a PHP programmer? Anyways, google-d and found this: http://www.ohloh.net/p/php-qt -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tip] Print a row of 25 hyphens
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 01:33, Mehul Ved mehul.n@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Tha.Suresh jemenisur...@gmail.com wrote: Print a row of 25 hyphens $ alt+25- In bash, by pressing ALT+n and then a character x, x will be printed n times Isn't there a way to type say 10, 1's? If I press alt+1+0+1 it will take it as alt+101 For Emacs: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/cgi-bin/info2www?(emacs)Arguments You can use a numeric argument to insert multiple copies of a character. This is straightforward unless the character is a digit. To prevent the digit from becoming part of the argument, type another `C-u'. That terminates the argument. If you then type another digit, then the digit acts as a self-inserting character and uses the argument as a repeat count. For Bash, there doesn't seem to be a way to do this. http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/Numeric-Arguments.html#Numeric-Arguments -- http://about.me/rosh ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] how people are gaining money using opensource softwares
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 07:18, Yogesh Girikumar yogeshg1...@gmail.com wrote: , for eg. canonical ltd. provides ubuntu os for free of cost even they are shipping cd for free,there is a team to work who is paying them. how they run the organization without getting penny amount from people. I hear that Mark Shuttleworth (who founded and probably is funding canonical) is a very rich entrepreneur. He's the second self-funded space tourist !! He is a venture capitalist and has his own private jet. That apart. Canonical also sells support. Shuttleworth made his money from proprietary software when he sold Thawt to Verizon. Canonical might have some revenues, but they are not profitable yet. RedHat makes money (and profits) by selling Open Source software, and support. There must be other companies which make money from Free and/or Open Source software, but it would be hard to imagine that (m)any of them have greater revenues than those generated by the largest grossing closed source software. Roshan -- http://roshan.mathews.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] how people are gaining money using opensource softwares
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:36, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: typical example: a friend was asked to quote for some complicated network setup. The windows people had quoted something like 8 lakhs for software and 1.5 lakhs for installation and configuration. My friend quoted 0 lakhs for software and 7.5 lakhs for installation, configuration and one year support. So who earned more? Typically since the software is free and installation and configuration are one time affairs, we can charge much more than the proprietary guys. (and our time is worth much more) Did your friend get the contract? A company might be swayed by a 26% saving in software cost. But what fraction was this of the total costs of setting up the network? -- http://roshan.mathews.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] how people are gaining money using opensource softwares
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:56, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 11:39 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote: RedHat makes money (and profits) by selling Open Source software, and support. redhat does not sell software http://www.redhat.com/rhel/ -- http://roshan.mathews.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] how people are gaining money using opensource softwares
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:39, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: There must be other companies which make money from Free and/or Open Source software, but it would be hard to imagine that (m)any of them have greater revenues than those generated by the largest grossing closed source software. It seems that the largest contributors to F/OSS don't make their money by selling support and/or software, but rather services built on them - Google, Facebook. I don't know what Oracle, IBM make from F/OSS. This is not to say that people don't make money from F/OSS, KG's friend seems to be doing quite well. But then there are others making money by selling services to closed source software. -- http://roshan.mathews.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] how people are gaining money using opensource softwares
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:22, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 12:17 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote: On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:56, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: redhat does not sell software http://www.redhat.com/rhel/ can you be more specific - the link to show where they sell open source software That's the one. RHEL is Red Hat Enterprise Linux. More on that page, and on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux -- http://roshan.mathews.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TechMeets #1 - This Saturday 10 AM
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 18:55, Vatsala Dorairajan vatsala.li...@gmail.com wrote: 1. Please let us know whether you will be coming 2. Please spread the word (hashtag #techmeets) 3. Please add your questions on either (or both) topics at: http://bit.ly/tmc-cctalk http://bit.ly/tmc-nstalk Aye. +1 -- http://roshan.mathews.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] [OT] PyCon 2011 - IIT / Anna University?
Hi, PyCon India, http://in.pycon.org/2010/ was held in Bangalore this year. The 2011 edition will be in Chennai. Discussions about this are being held in the ChennaiPy http://groups.google.com/group/chennaipy/ and InPycon http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon mailing lists. If you are interested please join there. Are there any students/staff here from IIT-M, and/or Anna Univ who can help us get a feel of using your university as the location for the event? If you can help, please join ChennaiPy and say hi. Regards, Roshan Mathews -- http://roshan.mathews.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Mailing List Guidelines: Monthly reminder
On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 23:36, ashwin kesavan ashwin@gmail.com wrote: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc.tam http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc.tamil http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc.tamil/ -- http://roshan.mathews.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Linux magazine US
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 22:27, nara...@atpdocs.com wrote: Why don't you all subscribe to Linux magazine. ..69$ US ...a small contribution to wonderful Linux.I am a su bscriber. There is also Linux Weekly News: http://lwn.net You can subscribe at $42, $84, or $168 a year. I don't subscribe, but if you are willing to shell out money, you might want to consider lwn. -- http://roshan.mathews.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] usb flash drive
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 06:36, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: I went into a shop to buy a USB flash drive. The guy had various kinds sony, mosser bauer etc. Asked him to recommend. He said Sony - I looked at it - system requirements: windows/MAC. Then looked at Mosser Bauer - system requirements: windows/MAC/Linux, and under linux: kernel 2.4.2 or later! Guess which one I bought? You bought Mossar Boor!! -- http://roshan.mathews.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Tip] Small command line Tips
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 11:17, Gowthaman Basuvaraj gowthaman.basuva...@gmail.com wrote: I find ALT + . (dot) last parameter of previous command the Most useful Wow, this is absolutely fantastic. How did you come across this? -- http://roshan.mathews.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Getting started in ruby
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:57, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: it all depends on what is meant by a 'scripting language'. I had always thought that a scripting language is one where there is no need to compile the code in order to run it. Some people use this definition: scripting languages are designed for gluing: they assume the existence of a set of powerful components and are intended primarily for connecting components together -- http://home.pacbell.net/ouster/scripting.html That paper generated a lot of controversy [1], but is worth reading. [1] http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/browse_thread/thread/c4b36dd81537e120/ -- http://roshan.mathews.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Choice of Python Framework
Hi, You might want to ask this on http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers too. On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:12, Rajesh kumar rkrajeshkuma...@gmail.com wrote: I am on process of developing a webapplication in python. The application has a huge amount of logics to be performed, lot of artificial intelligence to be processed. i am really confused to select the exact framework to be choose, this application is not a simple CRUD it handles with more complex logic so please suggest me one. People have pointed you to web frameworks, is that what you were looking for? Or were you looking for frameworks for the huge amount of logics to be performed, lot of artificial intelligence? -- http://roshan.mathews.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [உபுண்டு_தமிழ்] கட்டற்ற தமிழ்க் கணிமை கூடுதல்
2010/7/13 Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com: Can we please have a ilug-c-tamil mailing list and direct announcements in Tamil to that list instead of mixing languages like this in a single mailing list? It is rude to Ilugc members who might have speak Tamil and violates common netiquette to stick to a single language in a mailing list. Agreed. It would reduce a whole bunch of filters I have set up to route senders out of my mailbox. -- http://roshan.mathews.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Topic List for Monthly Meetings
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 14:37, Deepa Armugam dee...@infinite.com wrote: Please remove my ID from this linux community as am not a part of this linux community,, I actually logged into post a job Its filling my inbox unnecessarily.. LOL, this has to be the funniest post to the LUG, a spammer gets spammed! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! And so that this isn't totally OT, quoting from the headers: List-Unsubscribe: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc, mailto:ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in?subject=unsubscribe -- http://roshan.mathews.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] hi
+1 On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 13:35, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: On Saturday 12 June 2010 18:48:52 Girish Venkatachalam wrote: If you want LUG to get responses from busy people responsible for businesses and so on(the people that know what they are talking) then you have to put up with some inconveniences like this. we do not want responses from such people -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- http://roshan.mathews.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Breaking blocked access in my office
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:52, Pothuraju, Naga Deepak naga-deepak.pothur...@capgemini.com wrote: Well..you guys came really hard on me, but never mind cuz I was kind of expecting this as it happens frequently on this list. First of all let me make my intentions clear - It was to learn not exactly to break/hack something that the company owns. You people should have answered the question then disclaimed not to hold you responsible for, even if not in the public mailing list. Well, if you know what you're doing, then Vamsee's idea is the best .. just talk to your sys admins, tell them you're interested in how your network is secured, and ask them if they're okay with you trying to break it. You'll learn, they'll learn, everyone will live happily every after. -- http://roshan.mathews.in/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Chennai DevCamp
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 17:21, Balaji Damodaran damodaran.bal...@gmail.com wrote: We are planning to host a BarCamp style unconference specifically targeting the developer community called the DevCamp This is great news! It's about time that we had something like this in Chennai. Roshan Mathews ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Day Against DRM - May 4th
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:09, Selvakumar Rajeswaran selva_...@yahoo.com wrote: pls post an expansion for DRM. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=DRM Roshan Mathews ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] LINUX BOOKS
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 16:54, shyam santhosh lshya...@gmail.com wrote: I need Linux books and materials for linux administration if you have please send me through the links. If you're just starting out, then http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz is a fantastic read. If you don't have a net connection, you can find a PDF version online for offline reading. Roshan Mathews ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] help me...
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 09:45, sivakumar bharadhwaj calms...@gmail.com wrote: I could easily accept and welcome those - who sincerely try to write to this group with the best use of the english which they knew. I am sorry, but could not control myself to put my anger in this. It is because that I really respect this group. Vamsee asked her, rather politely, to use regular English instead of sms-speak so that people might actually read her message and maybe help her out. He also asked for clarifications which might help answer her questions. Why should that make you angry? Is it wrong to ask people to be careful about language while mailing the group? He was trying to help, unlike you. Chill out, there's no need to get angry about two people trying to have a technical conversation. :) If this is not permitted, i request the moderator to cut this mail from me. How? This is an unmoderated group, your mail has already gone out to all subscribers. Now, with my mail, we've hijacked this thread, which is rather unfortunate. Anitha, you should reply to Vamsee's mail, since filtering is too vague to understand what you're saying. Roshan Mathews ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] tmux
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:26, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: just installed tmux - voww!!! Context: http://niallohiggins.com/2009/06/04/tmux-a-bsd-alternative-to-gnu-screen/ I haven't used it, the link above was from a web search. Why do you prefer it to GNU Screen? Roshan ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Bangalore Facebook Developers
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 21:06, Karthikeyan S karthik...@gmail.com wrote: Facebook developers meet using Google Groups :) WOW. 'Tis good. There are people who are interested but are too paranoid to use facebook. Just saying. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] RE: [kanchilug] OT: GSoC 2010 is on!
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:41 PM, steve st...@lonetwin.net wrote: On 01/28/2010 03:22 PM, Suresh Kumar Subramanian wrote: What is google summer code? Don't worry about it. If you had to ask in this manner, it's not for you. Tut tut. Suresh, the link [1] in the email you replied to, has the info you need. -- rm [1] click on it. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What data structure in python should I use
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Eknath Venkataramani eknath.i...@gmail.com wrote: I have a txt file in the following format: [snip] and I need to extract confident , ashahvasahta from the first record, consumers, upabhaokahtaa from the second record... i.e. word in english and the first word in the probable-translations 1. http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers 2. Looks like a list of dicts, with = instead of : and [code] instead of [ ... etc. 3. OT, but I'm just curious, what are you trying to do? Roshan ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What data structure in python should I use
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Eknath Venkataramani eknath.i...@gmail.com wrote: I am unable to use the dictionary because of the format and the variable number of meanings for each english word You've made a jump there. What variable number of meanings? You just had a bunch of strings mapping to numbers. Why don't you post your code, and point the problem out? -- rm ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What data structure in python should I use
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Eknath Venkataramani eknath.i...@gmail.com wrote: By variable I mean: the word confident' has 8 probable meanings while consumers has only three. So I can't split the file on the basis of number of lines for each record. Simplest things will be to just generate that file in a way you can parse. JSON is a good format. Else you'll need to parse it. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] TERMINAL DIRCTORY NEEDED
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Saravanan S dearsarava...@gmail.com wrote: You have added one extra '' manually, that is clearly visible. LOL, your friend Google did those auto formatting work. LOL http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2010-January/054665.html Also, do calm down. You're making a lot of noise. -- rm ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Bash auto-completion magic
Girish Venkatachalam mentioned this in the passing [1] about three months ago, but I just discovered the magic of bash autocompleting my mercurial command today. Check out: /etc/bash_completion /etc/bash_completion.d/mercurial - rm [1] http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2009-October/051816.html ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Bash auto-completion magic
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Girish Venkatachalam girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: Check out: /etc/bash_completion /etc/bash_completion.d/mercurial I seem to be missing something. What is the connection? I was talking about the set command in [1] and you are talking about auto completion. Yes, but one of your examples for set used the file bash_completion. I did talk about how to add editline in one of the language classes. That adds auto completion feature to your program shell. That adds the history feature, right? So that you can use your arrow keys and C-r to search for previous commands. By the way I find that nowadays the application specific files alone show up in auto completion. This is a very nice improvement. Exactly. That's what I was talking about. Maybe I should have been clearer about how I wrote it. Application specific file completion is done by those two files I mentioned (if you have sourced them into your .bashrc) - rm ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [TAMTRANS] simulator
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Asokan Pichai paso...@gmail.com wrote: Again apologies for using roman script: There is always: http://quillpad.in/tamil/ and http://www.google.com/transliterate/ Choose one which suits you. (kuRi)muRai -- is more appropriate for a method. iyakkakkuRi for opcode appears better than iyakkak kuRimuRai ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Gnu/Linux Calender 2010
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:20 PM, praveen kumar pravin1...@gmail.com wrote: we created the Gnu/Linux calander 2010 and we planed to print it. Image Link: http://picasaweb.google.com/kanchilug/GnuLinuxCalender2010# Nice work. Looks very good. -- Roshan Mathews http://teamtalk.im ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [X-POST]: Reading an image file
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Roshan kubuntu...@gmail.com wrote: Though I also do see 'b' mode in the manual page of 'man fread', but I'm doubtful about the results. If anyone has tried to read an image file or has good sample code that I can lookup, would like to have links to it. Alternately, if someone can put in a few details regarding this in a little more 'easy-to-understand' way, that would be helpful. There is no binary mode in Unix, or rather the default is binary mode. It would be easier to know what you're talking about if you post your code. -- Roshan Mathews http://teamtalk.im ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] shell script - changing directory
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Varrun Ramani darthsit...@gmail.com wrote: When i run it, the directory of my terminal does *not* change i guess because a child process cannot pass arguments to a parent process. Is there any other way i can do this? Instead of running it as $ ./script or $ sh ./script try $ source ./script or $ . ./script This might be a hack, so look around for better solutions. Also, why does it show an error when i change DIRECTORY=~/Desktop/TODO/Final_yr_project Maybe ~ isn't expanded in scripts? -- Roshan Mathews http://teamtalk.im ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 1:52 PM, LIFNA JOS lifna...@hotmail.com wrote: Hai friends... I am lifna from Mumbai... Recently i joined the group...Thanks for accepting my request I take this opportunity to Wish all the members.\ Merry Christmas Prosperous New Year May GOD bestow all blessings upon you your families... Lifna Hai Lifna, Welcome to the group. We usually send our holiday greetings to Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com so that he can send us a consolidated list at the end of the festival time. Please do so from now on, instead of mailing the group. Please read the mailing list guidelines, and hang around for a while to see how things are done around here. Enjoy your stay. Regards, Roshan Mathews ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: On Thursday 24 Dec 2009 2:51:50 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: We usually send our holiday greetings to Kenneth Gonsalves law...@xxx it is considered one of the most serious breaches of internet etiquette to expose a person's email address or phone number in a publicly accessible place without his consent. In many forums the offender is instantly ejected. Before advising newcomers on etiquette I suggest you bone up on it ... And yet, http://www.google.co.in/#q=lawgon%40thenilgiris.com shows that it hasn't really been something you have normally obfuscated. I just figured, given the mail this morning where you took upon yourself to educate the list on netiquette, you might want to hear from our latest member. Season's greetings! :) -- Roshan Mathews http://teamtalk.im ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: On Thursday 24 Dec 2009 4:29:32 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: And yet, http://www.google.co.in/#q=lawgon%40thenilgiris.com shows that it hasn't really been something you have normally obfuscated. *I* am entitled to put my email address anywhere in the world or even paint it on the roads - *you* are not. Without *my* permission you have absolutely no right over my personal data. And do not try to avoid the point. You have behaved irresponsibly - own up to it. Unless you are actually justifying the exposure of my personal data? I'm only pointing out that your great moral outrage though voluble is barely justifiable. Surely you overreact? Btw, not sure about that painting on the roads bit. But then, unlike you, IANAL. :) -- Roshan Mathews http://teamtalk.im ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: so you are still contending that what you did was according to etiquette? btw, did mailman obscure it or did the list admin do it? I'm contending that though loud and whiney, your complaint was all gas. Mailman did it, as you might know by now. As for your attempted defence, I have seen that the most common defence in rape cases is - 'she is a woman of loose character, so no big deal'. Sounds familiar no? Dunno, that seems more in your line. -- Roshan Mathews http://teamtalk.im ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Student LUG's
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Varrun Ramani darthsit...@gmail.com wrote: Also, the ilugc website seems to be partially down. I cannot access sub-links and the CSS is skewed. http://ilugc.in/ is up. Can't see any CSS problems here. http://ilugc.org.in/ seems to be showing some map of India with Kashmir cut off. http://ilugc.org/ isn't the lug site. -- Roshan Mathews http://teamtalk.im ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Founder asks for help saving MySQL from Oracle
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Venkatraman S venka...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO (and lets face it with an open mind): Oracle's DB technology is lightyears ahead of the other solutions in the market and i am not sure how many lightyears it will take for others to reach that stature/customer base. It's weird timing this, since I spent an idle hour looking at comparisons of MySQL and Oracle yesterday. From what I read, it seems that while MySQL will suffice for most database needs, it's not even in the same league as commercial offerings in terms of features, stability etc. The spread of RDBMS offerings seems to be something like this: SQLite | MySql | PostgreSQL | ... | MS SQLServer (and others, I think Firebug?) | ... | Oracle The ellipses signifying that they're miles ahead of the competition. The articles I read were not from FOSS proponents, but rather from DBAs evaluating whether to use MySQL or Oracle, and the consensus (in the small sampling I checked out) was that MySql was ideal (because of pricing) for most needs, but Oracle was worth every penny (shocking considering howmany gazillion pennies it costs) if you need the features it provides. I don't have links now, but someone had claimed that the free alternatives are where Oracle was 20 years ago. Anyways, I'm way out of my depth, it's still fresh in my mind since I happened to read up on this while checking out some new music yesterday. -- Roshan Mathews http://teamtalk.im ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with quot;unsubscribe lt;passwordgt; lt;addressgt;quot; in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] a safe way to rm -rf *
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: cd /var/lib/mod_tile/default rm -rf * How about `rm -rf /var/lib/mod_tile/default/*' ? - rm ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with quot;unsubscribe lt;passwordgt; lt;addressgt;quot; in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] IBM and the indian debacle
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Kapil Hari Paranjape ka...@imsc.res.in wrote: I understand your annoyance at the fact that some students will get sucked into creating proprietary code. Moreover, some other students who are more into open source will be left out in the cold. To them I would say, reserve your energy for programmes like GSoC which do seem to mostly do the right thing. On that point, LtU linked to a paper [1] describing Scratch recently. It's quite a good read, also mentions how kids learn the value of open source and collaboration using Scratch. To the OP, welcome to the real world, get used to it, or subvert it. :) [1] http://web.media.mit.edu/~mres/scratch/scratch-cacm.pdf -- Roshan Mathews http://teamtalk.im ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] ILUGC Monthly Meet - Nov 14th 3PM
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:34 PM, steve st...@lonetwin.net wrote: I just noticed that it wasn't you who sent out the mail without the correct subject line, you were just asking Kenneth to tone it down. Ah well, that's his choice ...and also your's to respond in a similar manner -- but please take your issues with each other off-line. cheers, - steve PS: Why are you getting so worked up about something not directed at you ? Ah, the irony. :) -- Roshan Mathews http://teamtalk.im ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] [OT][x-POST] New programming language: Go
Just picked this off the news: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/11/hey-ho-lets-go.html There's a youtube techtalk vid too. Opinions? -- Roshan Mathews http://teamtalk.im ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Any ruby guys around
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Vagmi Mudumbai vagmi.mudum...@gmail.com wrote: I just joined the mailing list today morning. There do not seem to be many rubyists in the crowd. I do not intend to start any language wars. I myself am a polyglot though my python is a bit rusted now. I just wanted to find out if there are any ruby (not necessarily rails) folks in chennai. http://googlegroups.com/group/chennairb/ http://googlegroups.com/group/bangalorerug/ -- Roshan Mathews http://teamtalk.im ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
