Re: [Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: as a start you could think of presenting a hands on demo at the coming LUG meet. Good Idea. I will confirm my participation by next weekend please Note: The presenter will be an amateur ;-) With regards, Natarajan. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop
On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 16:59 +0530, Natarajan V wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: as a start you could think of presenting a hands on demo at the coming LUG meet. Good Idea. I will confirm my participation by next weekend please Note: The presenter will be an amateur ;-) amateur is best - we know what we do not know ;-) -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop
--- On Mon, 31/1/11, Natarajan V raja...@gmail.com wrote: Good Idea. I will confirm my participation by next weekend please Note: The presenter will be an amateur ;-) I assure you one novice listner - me. Raman.P blog:http://ramanchennai.wordpress.com/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Natarajan V raja...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Arun Venkataswamy arun...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Swapnil swapnil.bhart...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/30/2011 03:37 AM, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: Even by a long mile I don't think gimp will match Photoshop. What made you think so? What's in PS that's not in GIMP? We use GIMP for all of our graphics. Please state the reasons. IMHO the difference between GIMP and Photoshop is just the difference between Linux and Windows. Geeks will use GIMP and an non geek graphics I am a Linux User from the days of RedHat 6.0, having nothing but Linux on my PC and Laptop. I am also an amateur photographer, heading my company's Photography Club. Though not a pro, I do some amount of photo editing for in-house online publications and corporate blogs. With this premise: The following are my observations: The Gimp is great. I have been able to script it and customize it for my use. I have been using it for about 7 years now. Its good enough for most of the work that people use PS for. But, a little searching on the net would tell you what Gimp lacks from a PRO point of view. 1. 32 bit processing is just about in it's infancy in Gimp. The GEGL library is still not complete. 2. because of (1) above, the processing done by Gimp are not loss-less. 3. Support for CMYK has just now been introduced. - I remember a conversation in iLUGc, regarding printing something from Gimp. The professional printers wanted something in CMYK, which wasn't available in Gimp then. 4. Adjustment layers - is still not found in The Gimp as yet. - I missed this feature a lot, when I had to isolate a child's photo from the background, particularly around his hair. I repeat, if you are not a PRO, you wouldn't need any of the above. If you are using it for some, less serious stuff or initial learnings, its enough. There are times, (just search in the internet, you will find), where people suggest that you should use Krita (from erstwhile K-Office), instead of Gimp for CMYK and lossless processing. I still love the Gimp, but it has a long way to go before it becomes a serious competitor to PS. Its way ahead. I am eagerly waiting for Gimp 3.0, which promises to have most of Pretty sensible reply.. I dont know why such aversion to photoshop? Are we becoming intolerant? We should learn photoshop and excel in it. Only then we will understand the extensive features in it and then try to bring GIMP on par with it. Secondly, how many in india actually contribute to GIMP? We can count.. We are mostly consumers of open source product, and we dont have any control over its feature set. So when people in the industry wants quick turn around, they always seek for the product that meets their requirement. The pragmatic way of dealing with such situation is that we would learn photoshop, and if we are committed towards GIMP, we sould strive to bring those Photoshop features in to GIMP.. Opposing people to learn Photoshop, is like preventing our wife/girl friend from talking to other boys.. LOL... :) Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop
We should learn photoshop and excel in it. Only then we will understand the extensive features in it and then try to bring GIMP on par with it. If you want to fight crime, we should first become criminals and then fight against it? Secondly, how many in india actually contribute to GIMP? We can count.. We are mostly consumers of open source product, and we dont have any control over its feature set. So when people in the industry wants quick turn around, they always seek for the product that meets their requirement. If you start using GIMP, stop using Photoshop there will be a slew of designers expert in GIMP, since they ONLY use GIMP, they will demand features and will be added. Opposing people to learn Photoshop, is like preventing our wife/girl friend from talking to other boys.. LOL... :) Don't compare what doesn't make sense. Swapnil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop
On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 17:45 +0530, senthilraja P wrote: We should learn photoshop and excel in it. the point of this thread is to help people learn GIMP. If you are in Chennai and know GIMP please come forward and do something practical - if not, please start a new thread about how photoshop and excel are better than xyz. ps. we are not 'becoming' intolerant of proprietary software - we are *already* intolerant of it. That is what this group is for. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Kumaran R kuma...@techie.com wrote: Hi, My sister wants to learn Photoshop, but I do not have Photoshop and Windows :-D. Also, I'm not able to find a training center that deals with GIMP. I've approached some institutes, and they tell Linux training is only available as RHCE, NCLP, etc,. But then my sister doesn't want to learn all that. She just has to get her work photo editing done using GIMP. Sure, there are Video tutorials, but then I think we should have at-least 1 computer training institute, where GIMP is taught. If you know of any such place, please let me know. You probably won't find any. Btw, Gimp can very well be self taught. I've pretty much used gimp manuals and done it .. and I use Gimp and Inkscape both for my webcomic and other drawings/pinups/business-cards/..almost everything that I draw digitally. After manual much help is available on personal blogs like: This guy's put some real good time (unlike me :| ) in putting together nice tutorials that should get you to an intermediate level gimper. You'd also find some tutorials on using script-fu in gimp with a little search on the Internet. Happy Drawing :) -- krish IT Consultant, Comic Artist, Hacker www.toonheart.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop
we are not 'becoming' intolerant of proprietary software - we are *already* intolerant of it. That is what this group is for. Super Like.. Swapnil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop
This guy's put some real good time (unlike me :| ) in putting together nice tutorials that should get you to an intermediate level gimper. Whoops, big mess up.. forgot the link. Here it is - http://howto.nicubunu.ro/ -- krish IT Consultant, Comic Artist, Hacker www.toonheart.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Swapnil swapnil.bhart...@gmail.com wrote: If you start using GIMP, stop using Photoshop there will be a slew of designers expert in GIMP, since they ONLY use GIMP, they will demand features and will be added. I beg to differ. Its good to hear. But nothing here. :(. There are forces acting against you. 1. Software patents used in PS. A *lot* of features of PS, which the pros like are patented. - That is a separate fight altogether. (Use a separate thread if someone wants to discuss this, please). 2. The Gimp code framework, in its original form couldn't support many features (32 bits, lossless processing, CMYK to name a few). Hence, they are currently trying to revamp the code and bring in a new GEGL framework that will form the base for a refreshingly new code base, that is faster, cleaner and expandable. Gimp 3.0 where are you? 3. Third party plugins. This is where you and I should contribute. There are hundreds and thousands of plugins available for PS, which make the life of a studio guy/ doctor/ anyone else easy. PS has a separate version for Radiologists(!). It has a well integrated image management solution as well. There are a lot more, that I don't know. AFAIK, we have a pretty long way to go before we can say we are serious competitors. as of now, we are competing in a place where PS is way to good, and Gimp is (still) just a new kid in the block. If you are really serious about what you said in your email, be the example. Study DSP and Fourier transforms, and start writing code, and not just heated words. with regards, Natarajan ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:54 PM, krish srikrishna.innovati...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Kumaran R kuma...@techie.com wrote: then I think we should have at-least 1 computer training institute, where GIMP is taught. If you know of any such place, please let me know. You probably won't find any. +1 Btw, Gimp can very well be self taught. I've pretty much used gimp manuals and done it .. and I use Gimp and Inkscape both for my webcomic and other drawings/pinups/business-cards/..almost everything that I draw digitally. +1 off-topic Generally, I get *irritated* if someone tells me, I don't know this because, someone did not teach me. Not everything in life can be taught. /off-topic The best way to learn anything is to get your hands dirty. If someone has a starting trouble, they can seek help from someone who can offer a one hour session. beyond that, there are tonnes of tutorials available in many places, including YouTube. Infact, many of the tutorials targeted at PS, also works for The Gimp, if you know where to find the same filter in the menus a little bit of experimentation would help. The fundamentals of Photoshop, Corel Draw, Gimp, Paint .NET (Opensource!), etc.. are all the same. If you learn to use one tool, you learn the concept. You can now apply the concept in any other tool. The driving school usually teaches you driving on a Tata Indica or a Maruthi 800 or a Hyundai Santro - all of them with 4 gears. When you buy a car with 5 gears, you don't necessarily go to the driving school again to learn to use the 5th gear. How about auto-gears then? Its like that. Learn to use any of the aforementioned tools, and you will find your way through any other tool. If you find classes only for PS, so be it. Learn it there and apply it in The Gimp :-) with regards, Natarajan. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop
On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 19:04 +0530, Natarajan V wrote: If you are really serious about what you said in your email, be the example. Study DSP and Fourier transforms, and start writing code, and not just heated words. you are talking to a guy who uses gimp in a professional publishing environment - so where does that leave your argument? -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop
On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 21:32 +0530, Natarajan V wrote: off-topic Generally, I get *irritated* if someone tells me, I don't know this because, someone did not teach me. Not everything in life can be taught. /off-topic this is a very bad attitude. It is proven by any number of studies that different people learn in different ways. It is the way their brains are made up and usually cannot be changed. Some people can learn from their computer screen - others cannot learn anything unless they have a printed book, still others can only learn in a classroom environment and still others only by sitting at the feet of a Guru. In my opinion no one way is superior to any other way. Getting irritated that every one is not like you is the worst kind of elitism. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.comwrote: On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 19:04 +0530, Natarajan V wrote: If you are really serious about what you said in your email, be the example. Study DSP and Fourier transforms, and start writing code, and not just heated words. you are talking to a guy who uses gimp in a professional publishing environment - so where does that leave your argument? So, as a professional publishing person, if he can't learn DSP, Fourier transforms and do coding, how would he contribute to the GIMP project? By writing documentation, tutorials, translation to his mother tongue, etc. It's too simple to just evangelize. Also it would help not to demand features, requesting them will be better. The brilliant coders behind project will not want to be treated that way :). To over all help other publishers help understand using GIMP better, he can also release original XCF (gimp native format) documents they make in their company as open source?? BTW, I wonder what's the use of open source (read as software source code) to a person who does not understand programming? This question is without prejudice and would like to know from this list... Of course somebody can hire a programmer to re write portions of GIMP the way they like it, but it should be released back as GPL right? Arun ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop
On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 11:52 +0530, Arun Venkataswamy wrote: you are talking to a guy who uses gimp in a professional publishing environment - so where does that leave your argument? So, as a professional publishing person, if he can't learn DSP, Fourier transforms and do coding, how would he contribute to the GIMP project? you have misunderstood me. My point is that he uses GIMP in a professional publishing environment and is satisfied with it - means that your argument that GIMP is not up to scratch is refuted in practice. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop
Hi, Even by a long mile I don't think gimp will match Photoshop. What made you think so? What's in PS that's not in GIMP? We use GIMP for all of our graphics. Please state the reasons. While I don't know if I agree with the original claim, I'd just add that adding an effect may be simple point and click in PS while it is a little cumbersome in GIMP. That does not make GIMP inferior, but artists are not geeks (not tech geeks, to be correct.). Wrong. There are no training institutes about how to use Firefox does But what is it that firefox would do that is not already done with other browsers? And when was the last time we did anything out of the ordinary with firefox (or IE or chrome)? But image manipulation, to some degree, is not doing the ordinary alone. Again even the new ones are probably a mix and match of the existing ones. But if they are not straight forward, then they are as good as not there. Problem is yet again the user base. If you asked the community, they'd tell you how to do with python script for GIMP. But how many times are python coders doing image manipulation? Just curious. I could be entirely wrong. Abishek ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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While I don't know if I agree with the original claim, I'd just add that adding an effect may be simple point and click in PS while it is a little cumbersome in GIMP. That does not make GIMP inferior, but artists are not geeks (not tech geeks, to be correct.). It's not. Its point and click in GIMP. In fact we find GIMP much more easier and faster than Photoshop. There is a huge set of options available under filter. We even use GIMP to create generic animations. Not to mention the cost, then we don't use non-free platforms so no question of Photoshop either way. But what is it that firefox would do that is not already done with other browsers? And when was the last time we did anything out of the ordinary with firefox (or IE or chrome)? Same with GIMP. What is there than photoshop can do but GIMP can't. If you are a poweruser and know PS, then only you will be able to use full power of GIMP. I repeat we use GIMP for everything. And non of of designers are coder or programmers. Also, its more about FREEDOM than anything else, we are willing to go extra mile to stay free from clutches of coprorates like Adobe. Use GIMP, learn and be free. That's what matters in the end. Enough said, now here are the guides to learn GIMP: http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/ http://www.gimp.org/books/ http://www.graphics-muse.org/artistsguide/ Swapnil Muktware.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 08:07 +0530, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: If you know of any such place, please let me know. Even by a long mile I don't think gimp will match Photoshop. I disagree Even worldwide you may not find gimp trainings. there are many So you may just have to let your sister learn Photoshop. come on luggies - if I was in Chennai I would take this as a challenge. Surely you guys are not going to take a statement like this lying down??? -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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It's not. Its point and click in GIMP. In fact we find GIMP much more easier and faster than Photoshop. There is a huge set of options available under filter. We even use GIMP to create generic animations. hmm, actually I've never used PS and mostly worked with GIMP for my little requirements here and there. Half the time i'd read up PS tutorials and work a little out of the way to figure it out for GIMP. That shapes my opinion. Same with GIMP. What is there than photoshop can do but GIMP can't. If you are a poweruser and know PS, then only you will be able to use full power of GIMP. I repeat we use GIMP for everything. And non of of designers are coder or programmers. I never said GIMP lacked features. I said it is not as obvious as others. Again, how will one become a poweruser if he cannot get past the initial curve? Let us be honest, for most beginners GIMP is a little intimidating. That is not to say PS is more user friendly or intuitive. A simple search ends up returning more PS methods than GIMP. Why don't power users like you add more tutorials onto the web? Enough said, now here are the guides to learn GIMP: http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/ http://www.gimp.org/books/ http://www.graphics-muse.org/artistsguide/ :) I am sure every gimp user knows these links. Anyway, it helps to have it the same thread :) Abishek ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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but it looks like no one in Chennai knows anything about GIMP (other than to say it is better than photoshop) The issue is not which is better - the issue is that a person wants to learn GIMP and all we can do is sit around and pontificate. +1 Kenneth. I just repeat that I am not PS guy either. Never used one (for the record, my h/w config is below the minimal requirements :D). I use GIMP myself. But I know how difficult I find it getting things done. Any reasonably advanced tutorials should be good. Abishek ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 15:24 +0530, Abishek Goda wrote: but it looks like no one in Chennai knows anything about GIMP (other than to say it is better than photoshop) The issue is not which is better - the issue is that a person wants to learn GIMP and all we can do is sit around and pontificate. +1 Kenneth. I just repeat that I am not PS guy either. Never used one (for the record, my h/w config is below the minimal requirements :D). I use GIMP myself. But I know how difficult I find it getting things done. Any reasonably advanced tutorials should be good. there are a lot of people who cannot learn from tutorials. It is nothing to be ashamed of - different people are made differently and learn in different ways. I struggled with GIMP for at least 10 years - I was only able to understand it when Akkana Peck ran a GIMP class on the linuxchix mailing list some years back - *then* I learnt. That class and the responses to it are available on the linuxchix mailing list archives. (Akkana is one of the leading GIMP users in the world). But surely there is at least one person in Chennai who can offer to take a few classes? -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Swapnil swapnil.bhart...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/30/2011 03:37 AM, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: Even by a long mile I don't think gimp will match Photoshop. What made you think so? What's in PS that's not in GIMP? We use GIMP for all of our graphics. Please state the reasons. IMHO the difference between GIMP and Photoshop is just the difference between Linux and Windows. Geeks will use GIMP and an non geek graphics artists who either can afford to buy or don't care about copyrights will use Photoshop. Regarding features though, most people like an app to come with all the features along with it, which Photoshop does. You cannot expect an average graphics user to search the internet to download and install plug in's for GIMP the geeky way. You can also compare it to MS Office / OpenOffice.org, CorelDRAW / InkScape. People in the graphics industry will only want a .psd file like the corporate world will only want a .doc file... People in the printing industry will demand a Coredraw file only. I personally use GIMP in both Linux and Windows for both simple and complicated graphics work and it's just fine. But I must add that I have seen my uncle who is a pro graphics artist use Photshop. Unlike Linux and Windows, GIMP has to play catch up to Photoshop any day. Arun ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 15:45 +0530, Arun Venkataswamy wrote: I personally use GIMP in both Linux and Windows for both simple and complicated graphics work and it's just fine. and I suppose like most GIMP enthusiasts you also are not in Chennai? -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.comwrote: On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 15:45 +0530, Arun Venkataswamy wrote: I personally use GIMP in both Linux and Windows for both simple and complicated graphics work and it's just fine. and I suppose like most GIMP enthusiasts you also are not in Chennai? I am very much in Chennai. I am not a graphics artist but. I have used GIMP to create all graphics resources for our apps. Also for product brochures etc. I may not be the right person to teach GIMP for a graphics person, but I am willing to assist anybody who is wants to learn GIMP. Arun ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Swapnil swapnil.bhart...@gmail.com wrote: anything else, we are willing to go extra mile to stay free from clutches of coprorates like Adobe. Use GIMP, learn and be free. That's what matters in the end. And also from Intel, AMD, etc.? or do you you use any other hardware to run GIMP on to be free? Or do Intel and AMD give away their chip designs under GPL or BSD License or what ever? I use GIMP because I like it. It gives me a different kind of freedom, which is surely not to escape the evil corporate. Last but not the least GIMP is free as in free beer and it does not make sense for me to buy Photoshop. I will be honest. Arun ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Swapnil swapnil.bhart...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/30/2011 03:37 AM, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: Even by a long mile I don't think gimp will match Photoshop. What made you think so? What's in PS that's not in GIMP? We use GIMP for all of our graphics. Please state the reasons. One feature which I think is better in GIMP is the integration capacity to Ffmpeg. We have used GIMP to create studio quality animation videos for a game show software. Arun ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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And also from Intel, AMD, etc.? or do you you use any other hardware to run GIMP on to be free? Or do Intel and AMD give away their chip designs under GPL or BSD License or what ever? Now, its making things complicated unnecessarily. If there are free software alternatives available use them. Next question will be with MoBo? RAM, Power Supply or Cabinet and then ISP? I use GIMP because I like it. It gives me a different kind of freedom, which is surely not to escape the evil corporate. Last but not the least GIMP is free as in free beer and it does not make sense for me to buy Photoshop. I will be honest. It doesn't matter for me to buy a $200 software. I care about freedom as in speech more than free as beer. It's OK to use FLOSS for completely different reasons. Cost does matter, but that is not the only reason for 'me' to use FLOSS. SB ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Arun Venkataswamy arun...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Swapnil swapnil.bhart...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/30/2011 03:37 AM, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: Even by a long mile I don't think gimp will match Photoshop. What made you think so? What's in PS that's not in GIMP? We use GIMP for all of our graphics. Please state the reasons. IMHO the difference between GIMP and Photoshop is just the difference between Linux and Windows. Geeks will use GIMP and an non geek graphics I am a Linux User from the days of RedHat 6.0, having nothing but Linux on my PC and Laptop. I am also an amateur photographer, heading my company's Photography Club. Though not a pro, I do some amount of photo editing for in-house online publications and corporate blogs. With this premise: The following are my observations: The Gimp is great. I have been able to script it and customize it for my use. I have been using it for about 7 years now. Its good enough for most of the work that people use PS for. But, a little searching on the net would tell you what Gimp lacks from a PRO point of view. 1. 32 bit processing is just about in it's infancy in Gimp. The GEGL library is still not complete. 2. because of (1) above, the processing done by Gimp are not loss-less. 3. Support for CMYK has just now been introduced. - I remember a conversation in iLUGc, regarding printing something from Gimp. The professional printers wanted something in CMYK, which wasn't available in Gimp then. 4. Adjustment layers - is still not found in The Gimp as yet. - I missed this feature a lot, when I had to isolate a child's photo from the background, particularly around his hair. I repeat, if you are not a PRO, you wouldn't need any of the above. If you are using it for some, less serious stuff or initial learnings, its enough. There are times, (just search in the internet, you will find), where people suggest that you should use Krita (from erstwhile K-Office), instead of Gimp for CMYK and lossless processing. I still love the Gimp, but it has a long way to go before it becomes a serious competitor to PS. Its way ahead. I am eagerly waiting for Gimp 3.0, which promises to have most of these loopholes plugged, including complete lossless processing and support for CMYK. Note: I do not have PS and have never worked on PS and don't have plans of doing so either. with regards, Natarajan ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Swapnil swapnil.bhart...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't matter for me to buy a $200 software. I care about freedom as in speech more than free as beer. It's OK to use FLOSS for completely different reasons. Cost does matter, but that is not the only reason for 'me' to use FLOSS. OK, it's getting off topic now. I will just stop here. Anyways, I never meant to question 'your' intentions, it was a general observation... I was commenting only on the 'clutches of corporates' you had mentioned. As a techie I also love to use Linux and GIMP because of the freedom it gives. The free beer is a bonus. Arun ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Natarajan V raja...@gmail.com wrote: But, a little searching on the net would tell you what Gimp lacks from a PRO point of view. 3. Support for CMYK has just now been introduced. - I remember a conversation in iLUGc, regarding printing something from Gimp. The professional printers wanted something in CMYK, which wasn't available in Gimp then. Discussion in iLUGc in 2000 on Gimp: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.ilugc/2408/focus=2420 Further discussions in 2003: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.ilugc/11358 with regards, Natarajan ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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My sister wants to learn Photoshop, but I do not have Photoshop and Windows :-D. Also, I'm not able to find a training center that deals with GIMP. I've approached some institutes, and they tell Linux training is only available as RHCE, NCLP, etc,. But then my sister doesn't want to learn all that. She just has to get her work photo editing done using GIMP. Sure, there are Video tutorials, but then I think we should have at-least 1 computer training institute, where GIMP is taught. If you know of any such place, please let me know. You can use corel draw, instead of photoshop. Its good for graphics designer. regards, Subhojit Ojha ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 15:58 +0530, Arun Venkataswamy wrote: and I suppose like most GIMP enthusiasts you also are not in Chennai? I am very much in Chennai. I am not a graphics artist but. I have used GIMP to create all graphics resources for our apps. Also for product brochures etc. I may not be the right person to teach GIMP for a graphics person, but I am willing to assist anybody who is wants to learn GIMP. there is no such thing as a right person - how about a one-day workshop on GIMP - venue and crowd is not a problem -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 16:46 +0530, Natarajan V wrote: 3. Support for CMYK has just now been introduced. - I remember a conversation in iLUGc, regarding printing something from Gimp. The professional printers wanted something in CMYK, which wasn't available in Gimp then. but as far as image printing is concerned, printers are happy to accept png or jpeg or pdf and do the colour separation themselves. So that is not such a big issue as before. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 16:46 +0530, Natarajan V wrote: With this premise: The following are my observations: The Gimp is great. I have been able to script it and customize it for my use. I have been using it for about 7 years now. Its good enough for most of the work that people use PS for. if you are in Chennai you have just volunteered yourself for the forthcoming workshop ;-) -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 19:38 +0530, subhojit ojha wrote: If you know of any such place, please let me know. You can use corel draw, instead of photoshop. Its good for graphics designer. where can I get the free version of corel draw that runs on linux? -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:44 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: if you are in Chennai you have just volunteered yourself for the forthcoming workshop ;-) Well.. I will be happy to.. provided my office dosen't pull me into to office on weekends I will be able to do the Photo editing stuff but not drawing stuff... Hence, can't do it alone. The most useful stuff that I have ever used Gimp is available in this blog :-) http://natarajv.blogspot.com/ with regards, Natarajan ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Dear all, It is so nice to know that many like minded people are there.I have an humble suggestion in this regard.I feel like good principles of life Linux,GIMP,FOSS are difficult to adopt and follow,but they are the right ones and do good to one and all in the long run.Hey! it is time up and this exactly a wake up call for those who use only open source.Why not formulate some tutorials on almost all the applications in open source? Who else other than this community can take initiative and do (not something about it) everything for it. Come up and take the challenge.To ILUGC the work starts... Note My special thanks to Mr.V.Natarajan. With Regards, ~~ Kavitha G On 31 January 2011 09:38, Natarajan V raja...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:44 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: if you are in Chennai you have just volunteered yourself for the forthcoming workshop ;-) Well.. I will be happy to.. provided my office dosen't pull me into to office on weekends I will be able to do the Photo editing stuff but not drawing stuff... Hence, can't do it alone. The most useful stuff that I have ever used Gimp is available in this blog :-) http://natarajv.blogspot.com/ with regards, Natarajan ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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Hi, On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Dr.Kavitha Gopal kavi...@medall.in wrote: Dear all, It is so nice to know that many like minded people are there.I have an humble suggestion in this regard.I feel like good principles of life Linux,GIMP,FOSS are difficult to adopt and follow,but they are the right ones and do good to one and all in the long run.Hey! it is time up and this It is a good and right principle to try following the mailing list guidelines by using interleaved posting and totally avoid top posting. :) http://wiki.ilugc.in/index.php?title=FAQ#What_is_top_posting.3F http://wiki.ilugc.in/index.php?title=FAQ#What_is_the_preferred_posting_style_in_ILUGC.3F Thanks Regards, Guruprasad ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 09:38 +0530, Natarajan V wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 5:44 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: if you are in Chennai you have just volunteered yourself for the forthcoming workshop ;-) Well.. I will be happy to.. provided my office dosen't pull me into to office on weekends I will be able to do the Photo editing stuff but not drawing stuff... Hence, can't do it alone. actually I think the photo editing part is more important - inkscape is the drawing tool - as a start you could think of presenting a hands on demo at the coming LUG meet. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com Coimbatore LUG rox http://ilugcbe.techstud.org/ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop
Hi, My sister wants to learn Photoshop, but I do not have Photoshop and Windows :-D. Also, I'm not able to find a training center that deals with GIMP. I've approached some institutes, and they tell Linux training is only available as RHCE, NCLP, etc,. But then my sister doesn't want to learn all that. She just has to get her work photo editing done using GIMP. Sure, there are Video tutorials, but then I think we should have at-least 1 computer training institute, where GIMP is taught. If you know of any such place, please let me know. With Regards, --Kumaran R ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Kumaran R kuma...@techie.com wrote: Hi, My sister wants to learn Photoshop, but I do not have Photoshop and Windows :-D. Also, I'm not able to find a training center that deals with GIMP. I've approached some institutes, and they tell Linux training is only available as RHCE, NCLP, etc,. But then my sister doesn't want to learn all that. She just has to get her work photo editing done using GIMP. Sure, there are Video tutorials, but then I think we should have at-least 1 computer training institute, where GIMP is taught. If you know of any such place, please let me know. Even by a long mile I don't think gimp will match Photoshop. Even worldwide you may not find gimp trainings. So you may just have to let your sister learn Photoshop. -Girish -- Gayatri Hitech http://gayatri-hitech.com gir...@gayatri-hitech.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
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On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Girish Venkatachalam girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com wrote: Even by a long mile I don't think gimp will match Photoshop. What makes you think so? I know quite a few people who have made the switch and are happy. -- *அகிலன்* (Akilan R) (http://www.coding-aviator.blogspot.com) *I should have no use for a paradise in which I should be deprived of the right to prefer hell.* --Jean Rostand ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
