Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
On Friday 25 Dec 2009 11:19:32 pm Saravanan S wrote: The more you say, the more likely you are to say something foolish. please do not top post -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: you find a man beaten and dying on the road - so you give him one more shot and finish him off - anyway he is dying, so what is the big deal there? You don’t kick a dead dog Thought that might console you KG Regards, Common Man ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
The more you say, the more likely you are to say something foolish. Oysters open completely when the moon is full; and when the crab sees one it throws a piece of stone or seaweed into it and the oyster cannot close again so that it serves the crab for meat. Such is the fate of him who opens his mouth too much and thereby puts himself at the mercy of the listener. Leonardo da Vinci, 1452-1519 Saravanan Sundaramoorthy Red Hat Certified Engineer +91 99404 32545 On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Common Man kilpauk.kandasw...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: you find a man beaten and dying on the road - so you give him one more shot and finish him off - anyway he is dying, so what is the big deal there? You don’t kick a dead dog Thought that might console you KG Regards, Common Man ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
Hai friends... I am lifna from Mumbai... Recently i joined the group...Thanks for accepting my request I take this opportunity to Wish all the members.\ Merry Christmas Prosperous New Year May GOD bestow all blessings upon you your families... Lifna _ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 1:52 PM, LIFNA JOS lifna...@hotmail.com wrote: Hai friends... I am lifna from Mumbai... Recently i joined the group...Thanks for accepting my request I take this opportunity to Wish all the members.\ Merry Christmas Prosperous New Year May GOD bestow all blessings upon you your families... Lifna _ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc Why you are advertising Windows 7 here ?? -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya ( नरेन्द्र सिसोदिया ) │Society for Knowledge Commons │Web : http://narendra.techfandu.org └─┘ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
Why you are advertising Windows 7 here ?? Was there a choice? I think the mail is coming from a hotmail id! Abishek ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
2009/12/24 Abishek Goda goda.abis...@gmail.com Why you are advertising Windows 7 here ?? Was there a choice? I think the mail is coming from a hotmail id! Yeah, another one of MS marketing ploys. -- Thanks Regards Varrun Ramani Amrita University '10 Web: varrunr.wordpress.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 1:52 PM, LIFNA JOS lifna...@hotmail.com wrote: Hai friends... I am lifna from Mumbai... Recently i joined the group...Thanks for accepting my request I take this opportunity to Wish all the members.\ Merry Christmas Prosperous New Year May GOD bestow all blessings upon you your families... Lifna Hai Lifna, Welcome to the group. We usually send our holiday greetings to Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com so that he can send us a consolidated list at the end of the festival time. Please do so from now on, instead of mailing the group. Please read the mailing list guidelines, and hang around for a while to see how things are done around here. Enjoy your stay. Regards, Roshan Mathews ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: On Thursday 24 Dec 2009 2:51:50 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: We usually send our holiday greetings to Kenneth Gonsalves law...@xxx it is considered one of the most serious breaches of internet etiquette to expose a person's email address or phone number in a publicly accessible place without his consent. In many forums the offender is instantly ejected. Before advising newcomers on etiquette I suggest you bone up on it ... And yet, http://www.google.co.in/#q=lawgon%40thenilgiris.com shows that it hasn't really been something you have normally obfuscated. I just figured, given the mail this morning where you took upon yourself to educate the list on netiquette, you might want to hear from our latest member. Season's greetings! :) -- Roshan Mathews http://teamtalk.im ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: On Thursday 24 Dec 2009 4:29:32 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: And yet, http://www.google.co.in/#q=lawgon%40thenilgiris.com shows that it hasn't really been something you have normally obfuscated. *I* am entitled to put my email address anywhere in the world or even paint it on the roads - *you* are not. Without *my* permission you have absolutely no right over my personal data. And do not try to avoid the point. You have behaved irresponsibly - own up to it. Unless you are actually justifying the exposure of my personal data? I'm only pointing out that your great moral outrage though voluble is barely justifiable. Surely you overreact? Btw, not sure about that painting on the roads bit. But then, unlike you, IANAL. :) -- Roshan Mathews http://teamtalk.im ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
On Thursday 24 Dec 2009 4:43:33 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: I am entitled to put my email address anywhere in the world or even paint it on the roads - you are not. Without my permission you have absolutely no right over my personal data. And do not try to avoid the point. You have behaved irresponsibly - own up to it. Unless you are actually justifying the exposure of my personal data? I'm only pointing out that your great moral outrage though voluble is barely justifiable. Surely you overreact? as already suggested - learn something about etiquette. I do not suppose you have noticed that email addresses are obfuscated in the archives of this list? or in most lists? (I wonder why we Indians are so reluctant to acknowledge that we have made a mistake?) Just admit it - get it off your chest and enjoy Christmas. -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
On Thursday 24 Dec 2009 5:17:27 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: as already suggested - learn something about etiquette. I do not suppose you have noticed that email addresses are obfuscated in the archives of this list? or in most lists? (I wonder why we Indians are so reluctant to acknowledge that we have made a mistake?) Just admit it - get it off your chest and enjoy Christmas. Au contraire, I checked the archives when you complained, Mailman had already obfuscated it. As already suggested, maybe you're overreacting. (I wonder why you lawyers jump to conclusions and make mountains out of molehills.) You have a merry Christmas too. so you are still contending that what you did was according to etiquette? btw, did mailman obscure it or did the list admin do it? anyway to test I will put an email id here and see what happens. The id is 'id...@hotmail.com' and do not worry - that id is registered to me, so no one will be harmed by the experiment. As for your attempted defence, I have seen that the most common defence in rape cases is - 'she is a woman of loose character, so no big deal'. Sounds familiar no? -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
Now the OP will be wondering why the heck s/he ever joined this list :-) regds, mano ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
On Thursday 24 Dec 2009 5:43:29 pm Mano wrote: Now the OP will be wondering why the heck s/he ever joined this list :-) or s/he may have learnt that security is a process - holes appear, they are plugged. More holes appear and they too are plugged. And the list gets more and more secure. (see my post on another thread). Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom and security. Unless you are contending that exposing email addresses in publicly accessible archives is a good thing? -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: so you are still contending that what you did was according to etiquette? btw, did mailman obscure it or did the list admin do it? I'm contending that though loud and whiney, your complaint was all gas. Mailman did it, as you might know by now. As for your attempted defence, I have seen that the most common defence in rape cases is - 'she is a woman of loose character, so no big deal'. Sounds familiar no? Dunno, that seems more in your line. -- Roshan Mathews http://teamtalk.im ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
2009/12/24 Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com We usually send our holiday greetings to Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com so that he can send us a consolidated list at the end of the festival time. Please do so from now on, instead of mailing the group. Was this system actually in place before this? I mean sending the greetings to Kenneth or is it just sarcasm? -- Thanks Regards Varrun Ramani Amrita University '10 Web: varrunr.wordpress.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
On Thursday 24 Dec 2009 6:04:34 pm Roshan Mathews wrote: On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: so you are still contending that what you did was according to etiquette? btw, did mailman obscure it or did the list admin do it? I'm contending that though loud and whiney, your complaint was all gas. kindly refrain from abusive language Mailman did it, as you might know by now. actually mailman did not - the address is not obfuscated. And thanks to your carelessness, a hole has been discovered in the archives. Can we take this as your Christmas present to the list? As for your attempted defence, I have seen that the most common defence in rape cases is - 'she is a woman of loose character, so no big deal'. Sounds familiar no? Dunno, that seems more in your line. so you are *still* contending that exposing email addresses in public archives is a good thing to do? -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
On Thursday 24 Dec 2009 6:04:52 pm Varrun Ramani wrote: We usually send our holiday greetings to Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com so that he can send us a consolidated list at the end of the festival time. Please do so from now on, instead of mailing the group. Was this system actually in place before this? I mean sending the greetings to Kenneth or is it just sarcasm? sarcasm - apparently he got annoyed that I had sent a mail to the list asking people to refrain from flooding the list with season's greetings. -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
Hi, No offense. But can we please keep this discussion offline? People involved can come to a conclusion offline and then post the suggestion, if and only if it is *necessary* to post it in a Linux users' mailing list! -- Thanks and Regards, Hrishikesh Murali ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.comwrote: On Thursday 24 Dec 2009 5:43:29 pm Mano wrote: Now the OP will be wondering why the heck s/he ever joined this list :-) or s/he may have learnt that security is a process - holes appear, they are plugged. More holes appear and they too are plugged. And the list gets more and more secure. (see my post on another thread). Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom and security. Unless you are contending that exposing email addresses in publicly accessible archives is a good thing? -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com Apologize to the other members, but could not resist pointing this out: When I click on lawgon.livejournal.com, I can see half your life history (and your email id) listed there!! So, what's the big deal here? That said, I agree that mailman should do a better job of scrubbing email ids - at least for the sake of other members really would like to keep it private! regds, mano ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Mano manoka...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.comwrote: On Thursday 24 Dec 2009 5:43:29 pm Mano wrote: Now the OP will be wondering why the heck s/he ever joined this list :-) or s/he may have learnt that security is a process - holes appear, they are plugged. More holes appear and they too are plugged. And the list gets more and more secure. (see my post on another thread). Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom and security. Unless you are contending that exposing email addresses in publicly accessible archives is a good thing? -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com Apologize to the other members, but could not resist pointing this out: When I click on lawgon.livejournal.com, I can see half your life history (and your email id) listed there!! So, what's the big deal here? There is a big deal. KG has already gave example. his contact email id belongs to him. he has full right to share with anybody at anyplace. we do not have this right (unless he release his contact details under some CC license). That said, I agree that mailman should do a better job of scrubbing email ids - at least for the sake of other members really would like to keep it private! regds, mano ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc Please try to stop his thread -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya ( नरेन्द्र सिसोदिया ) │Society for Knowledge Commons │Web : http://narendra.techfandu.org └─┘ ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
On Thursday 24 Dec 2009 6:58:25 pm Mano wrote: Apologize to the other members, but could not resist pointing this out: When I click on lawgon.livejournal.com, I can see half your life history (and your email id) listed there!! So, what's the big deal here? you find a man beaten and dying on the road - so you give him one more shot and finish him off - anyway he is dying, so what is the big deal there? some one's privacy is invaded - pictures of him naked are plastered all over the internet - so you join in the party and paste a few more in flickr - anyway he is exposed so what is the big deal in exposing him some more? unfortunately it is a sad part of our society in general and our justice system in particular that it is usually the victim of the crime who is on trial when an offence is prosecuted. I know a police station near Chromepet which refused to accept a burglary complaint saying: 'why did you keep your jewels in your house - you are at fault!' and before some one chirps up and says that this is OT to this group, I would like to point out that freedom and the right to privacy are an integral part of the free software movement - and the respect to privacy is an integral part of the war against spammers which we in this list, and every one in all internet forums is fighting. I am a little surprised that you agree that the obfuscation done on our list is insufficient. After all some spammer must have already written a script and harvested the addresses - so what is the big deal about this? And I suppose you will say the same about Stallman's campaign against sacrificing privacy to cloud computing firms, or Behlendorf's campaign against sacrificing privacy to gmail. Everyone is doing it - so what is the big deal? -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hai from Lifna...........new member
I know a police station near Chromepet which refused to accept a burglary complaint saying: 'why did you keep your jewels in your house - you are at fault!' Oops, there is a lesson or two there for us chromepet residents :-). Abishek ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
