RE: [ilugd] help

2003-08-17 Thread Mohammad Zafar
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RE: [ilugd] help

2003-08-17 Thread Robins Tharakan
read the damn text at the bottom yaar!!!

it(the link!) is there in all mails just because fantastic people like
you don't send in junk like this!!!

please try using the automatic route, rather than disturb a thousand
people on the list for it!!!

rbs
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[ilugd] Query Linux Users Meeting

2003-08-17 Thread Ankur Tyagi
Hello Frieds,
  Please tell me who all can participate in this meeting.

Thank You

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Re: [ilugd] Re: Office Depot Aids Monopoly{This is not a troll}

2003-08-17 Thread Spoonman
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On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 04:29:00AM +0530, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
Sandip:) and also about sometimes not having choice. I know (and I am occasionally
Sandipone of these) many people who have to use Windoze bozes because of
Sandiprequirements at job. If that is the time that they have to keep up with the
Sandiplist, they will use what they have to communicate. As long as the community
Sandipbenefits from the participation of that individual, I dont think it should
Sandipmake a huge difference what software the person is using... 
Sandip
SandipYes, using OSS software is a good demonstration of what we are preaching, but
Sandipwhen we can't use it, we respect the compulsions(if any) of the person to not
Sandipuse it at that point of time ...

A lot of GNU alternatives are available on the windows platform too. 
if only someone would try to make an effort. I think mozilla plus its
mail client runs just as well on windows. there is sylpheed.

http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/hi/index.html GNuwin2 is there.

But, I am not judging anyone here. And my original reply was not
intended to make Tarun look bad, guilty or anything it was to Shuvam 
but it invariably did that.

Rajuoh, I don't know.  You could be a lawyer who fights cases for the free
Rajusoftware community pro bono, but still not use, want to use or know
Rajuhow to use Linux or *BSD.  Does that make you less of a contributor to
Rajuthe free software community?  IMO it's not a good idea to judge
Rajupeople's ideals by what technology they use, in general.

No, no one should be judged and no one should explain why he uses
windows. but, is it really so hard to shift to an open source email
client that debating about it on the mailing list seems like an easier
option? 

I volunteer to download, install and personaly train Tarun if he can/
he wishes to shift to mozilla. and if mozilla dsnt comes up to his
expectations as an email client he shouldnt be promoting or looking 
for ways to make any case stronger for opensource.

I dont think henry ford ever bought a volksvagan. 

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RE: [ilugd] Fw: Routing Problem

2003-08-17 Thread Jasmeet S. Virdi
Could you feed in more details. If I understood correctly, you want to
use Linux box as a router, where exactly are you stuck ?

-js

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$ Hi 
$ 
$I have one problem.
$ How do i tell my linux box to route different network's data 
$ through different routers. problem is both network takes 
$ their default GW as 0.0.0.0 And in routing table for 0.0.0.0 
$ network it does have only one GW.
$ 
$ How i can tell a Real IP range i.e xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/252 with 
$ via its own gateway ie. xxx.xxx.xxx.gw other than 0.0.0.0.
$ 
$ INFACT: i have to assign one Real IP  one private IP to same 
$ network( through virtual interfacing)card and anyone can ping 
$ to my real IP. If i assign only Real IP to my network 
$ interface any one can ping this. But when assign Private IP 
$ no one can ping to it
$ 
$ Please HELP!
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Re: [ilugd] Query Linux Users Meeting

2003-08-17 Thread Raj Mathur
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 Robins == Robins Tharakan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Robins [snip]

Robins and bring the latest edition of tcpdump compiled for an
Robins S390 for Mary.  he generally tries to fiddle around with
Robins it somehow around the vicinity of CGO !!! ;)

Please do NOT use any sniffing/snooping/hacking tools when connected
to the network of a host organisation.  I cannot reiterate this point
strongly enough.  We have been given a venue by the Ministry of IT out
of the goodness of their hearts, and in my opinion using tools such as
tcpdump, nmap, ettercap  co comes under the heading of severely
abusing our host's services.

How would you like it if you invited someone to come and stay at your
house and that person started testing the security of your doors,
windows and locks and checking whether your burglar alarms were
working or not?

Since Kishore and I have been personally interacting with Dr
Ramakrishnan for organising the venue, we will definitely kick out
anyone we see using a sniffing or snooping tool when connected to the
MIT network, and also ban that person from posting and receiving mails
from the list.

Regards,

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RE: [ilugd] Re: Office Depot Aids Monopoly{This is not a troll}

2003-08-17 Thread Tarun Upadhyay
I will bite (and change my email client) if somebody can show me an email
client that can talk to MS-Exchange (and yes, I do need those shared folders
and shared calendars !!) and please do not get me started on why I need
shared calendars integrated with my email client. If you have never used,
you will never understand it.

Alternatively, show me a good open source alternative to  MS-Exchange that
does that on server side - reliably. I know of an obscure product from
Samsung but other than that in my ten years of managing systems (linux and
windows included), I have not seen any. Last year, I got desperate even
asked the question on slashdot But did not get any good replies, so I have
little hopes from linux-delhi.

Spoonman, I agree there are pleny of good open source email clients around
(and no, mozilla is not what I would recommend) however, if you want to have
a real productivity application (which at the minimum allows you to share
your calendar and contacts in a user-friendly manner) there is absolutely
nothing around.

Hell, I will raise the bar and even offer $69 (my outlook license fee) for
anybody who can convince me that there exist an alternative (open source) to
outlook-exchange that is at least as reliable and allows me to share my
calendar and contact database with my colleagues (with security that I can
configure from my client and not from server).

and I am not even asking for customizable database that outlook has any in
the backend and its programmability. Spoonman, this is a linux list so I
wont talk about all kind of customizability and extensibility that outlook
offers but if you are interested I can show it to you sometime. (believe me,
mutt-boy, you will be surprised. There is a reason why it is so easy to
write viruses for outlook. And the reason is because, it is easy to write
*anything* for outlook and that is not always a bad thing).

I do not want to sound as if I like Microsoft or Outlook a lot. I feel
equally sad that there are no good open source alternatives and do hope that
one comes up. However, pretending that there exist one when there isnt any
will not get us anywhere (nor will ridiculing people who use Outlook). There
might be people for whom open source is a principle in life and they are
willing to live with anything but would use only open source software. For
me, using open source tools is preferable and valuable but not at the cost
of quality and productivity. 

With Warm Regards
Tarun Upadhyay

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 On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 04:29:00AM +0530, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
 Sandip:) and also about sometimes not having choice. I know 
 (and I am 
 Sandipoccasionally one of these) many people who have to use Windoze 
 Sandipbozes because of requirements at job. If that is the time that 
 Sandipthey have to keep up with the list, they will use what 
 they have 
 Sandipto communicate. As long as the community benefits from the 
 Sandipparticipation of that individual, I dont think it 
 should make a huge difference what software the person is using...
 Sandip
 SandipYes, using OSS software is a good demonstration of what we are 
 Sandippreaching, but when we can't use it, we respect the 
 Sandipcompulsions(if any) of the person to not use it at 
 that point of time ...
 
 A lot of GNU alternatives are available on the windows platform too. 
 if only someone would try to make an effort. I think mozilla 
 plus its mail client runs just as well on windows. there is sylpheed.
 
 http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/hi/index.html GNuwin2 is there.
 
 But, I am not judging anyone here. And my original reply was 
 not intended to make Tarun look bad, guilty or anything it 
 was to Shuvam but it invariably did that.
 
 Rajuoh, I don't know.  You could be a lawyer who fights 
 cases for the 
 Rajufree software community pro bono, but still not use, 
 want to use or 
 Rajuknow how to use Linux or *BSD.  Does that make you less of a 
 Rajucontributor to the free software community?  IMO it's not a good 
 Rajuidea to judge people's ideals by what technology they 
 use, in general.
 
 No, no one should be judged and no one should explain why he 
 uses windows. but, is it really so hard to shift to an open 
 source email client that debating about it on the mailing 
 list seems like an easier option? 
 
 I volunteer to download, install and personaly train Tarun if 
 he can/ he wishes to shift to mozilla. and if mozilla dsnt 
 comes up to his expectations as an email client he 

Re: [ilugd] pop on public network

2003-08-17 Thread Raj Mathur
 Robins == Robins Tharakan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Robins hi, i just did a tcpdump on the local cable wallah
Robins network, and realised that anyone with a tcpdump -i eth1
Robins -w file.dump can easily see my pop username/pwd 

Robins is there any way out? or is this the reason why tcpdump is
Robins so dear a tool???

Solutions off the top of my head:

1.  Use secure POP (SSL-enabled POP)

2.  Use an SSL tunnel between your client and the server if the server
permits you to do so.

3.  Use IMAP+SSL.

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RE: [ilugd] Debian CDs ?

2003-08-17 Thread Raj Mathur
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 Jasmeet == Jasmeet S Virdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Jasmeet Ok, please send them over, let me take a look at them too
Jasmeet ..  -js

http://kandalaya.org/debian-ls.zip

The first part is the long listing of the ISO images.

The rest of it (d{1,2,3,4,5,6,7}) is the long listing of each image
mounted with loop.

~270Kb.

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RE: [ilugd] Re: Office Depot Aids Monopoly{This is not a troll}

2003-08-17 Thread Tarun Dua
On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 09:59, Tarun Upadhyay wrote:
 I will bite (and change my email client) if somebody can show me an email
 client that can talk to MS-Exchange (and yes, I do need those shared folders
 and shared calendars !!) and please do not get me started on why I need
 shared calendars integrated with my email client. If you have never used,
 you will never understand it.
Ximian Evolution Suite ( available for Linux ) provides both server side as
well as client side. The whole suite is not open source, however. This
offers complete compatibility with MS-Exchange both on server side as
well as client side.( Please verify this - thats what I last heard about
it )
As far as shared calendering/shared folders is concerned I know quite a
few Webmail type solutions apart from evolution (which is quite like
MS-Exchange) on Linux provide that type of groupware.
Have you searched Sourceforge for available solutions on shared
calender/folders/groupware etc.
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[ilugd] Meeting on August 24

2003-08-17 Thread Raj Mathur
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Hi,

The next ILUG-Delhi meeting is tentatively scheduled for Sunday,
August 24 at Electronics Niketan, SCOPE Complex, Lodi Road from 14:00
to 18:00.  Tentatively since we're still awaiting approval from
Ministry of IT.

For those who are presenting, please send in your presentations to
Kishore and I not later than Wednesday the 20th.  A mail to the list
on what you'd be discussing would also be useful.  Thanks!

If you have ideas on what to do at the Meet (and are willing to
implement them!) please post them to the list.

If you're attending, please send in your name IN PERSONAL e-mail to
Kishore.  We need this for security at the gate.

There will be a GPG keysigning party at the meet.  You can (create and)
upload your GPG public keys to the Biglumber server, from where I'll
print it out before the Meet.  Remember, you will have to bring your
key ID and a government-issue identification with you if you want your
key signed!

The URL for uploading your keys is:
http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?keyring=7830

I'd written about GPG keysigning for an earlier party, the older mail
is available at:
http://frodo.hserus.net/pipermail/ilugd/2003-May/000196.html

If you have any questions about GPG and/or key signing, please read
that page and the links.  If you still have questions, please send a
mail to the list.

Regards,

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