Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d?
hassath wrote: > On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 22:45, Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote: > And Pankaj, this thread repeatedly will raise "its ugly head" because > this issue has not been resolved. I am not sorry that it causes > discomfort in your complacent world. I am neither discomforted by the discussion nor am I complacent, merely un-interested in discussions without a result. > Yes, "males do dominate most computer related areas". And not just > computer related areas.It is a fact- but not one to be plainly accepted. > The question arises- why is it so? And to take it further, in any field, > why is it that the marginalised continue to stay marginalised? Is it > because they are genetically predisposed to being marginalised? Or > should one ask- What opportunities do they have- are they in any way > equal to the opportunities of the more privileged? At this moment, I am > talking only about gender, but my concerns extend to all marginalised > people, in all areas. It is convenient to say that this is how things > are- and be complacent about it. This was exactly my point, males *do* dominate various fields, similarly there are many fields that are dominated by women, teaching for example. All I wanted to say was that we have a bigger issue at hand. Its not just that it is *linux* and the language of linux that is intimidating to women thus they stay away. This group is a open community, anyone can raise her voice, if there are women on this list and meetings who feel that the *prevailing atmosphere* is unfriendly and discouraging then this issue must be raised by pointing out what exactly makes one un-welcome and it must be addressed. This subject does come up every now and then, people wonder why more women don't participate, they raise the issue and say, we should do something about it. The thread reaches 50 and everyone forgets about it because nobody knows what to do. You have made a start by raising the issue once again. Lets not dwell into the the nature of society at large but make this group, which you made yourself a part of by subscribing to the mailing-list a little more comfortable for women. P. -- Alas, even today there's little worth thinking and saying that does not grievously wound the state, the gods, and common decency. -Goethe ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d?
At 2005-08-19 13:32:33 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > the prevailing atmosphere??? Right. I can answer that question better now, mostly by having studied the responses in this thread. Let's have a look, shall we? 1. Denial. "What's wrong with the atmosphere, dammit?" 2. Proof-by-anecdote that everything is just fine. 3. Cheap digs disguised as humour. You know, the kind where, if anyone objects, one can look injured and say, "But it was a joke! Don't women have a sense of humour?" 4. "If only women bothered to show up more often, they'd see that everything is really all right." 5. "We've done all we can. It's up to someone else now." Oh, and when the subject of encouraging women to participate *does* come up, there's usually this undercurrent of "Yeah, we need more hot chicks in this group, man!" The consequent feeling: Ugh. Better not get involved. -- ams ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d?
On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 22:45, Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote: > At 2005-08-19 17:17:31 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > In all my experiences, I haven't encountered any sexism towards > > females in areas related to computing. Not even bad jokes. > > I wonder if that's because you (and other people) misjudge what might > actually make women uncomfortable. I'm sure nobody at the ilugd meets > would claim to be anti-women, but I've often felt that the prevailing > atmosphere is likely to discourage women from ever visiting more than > once. > > -- ams > Hi all, I was not accessing mail over the weekend- hence the delay. Since there are so many responses to respond to, I think I will just address each one briefly. I haven't seen anything on the list guidelines to say this is not appropriate, but if someone does feel so, they are welcome to make the point. Thanks Kishore, for the invitation to talk. I would have loved to take it up, if i felt there was something concrete for me to talk about- but like I said, I myself am exploring. But I do plan to be there at the event- so hope to put faces to all these names then :-) As for LL's nail-polish mail, I will not comment on-it's part of the problem and an illustration of some men's unwillingness to take the issue seriously... AMS and Raj- point taken. I also agree that the list is not being actively 'woman unfriendly'. Maybe women do need to show up at the ILUG-D meetings and articulate specifically what attitudes/actions they would like to see changes in. (Which means I myself will have to try and make it- as far as my tight schedule allows it! :-)) Thank you AMS for mentioning that the "prevailing atmosphere is likely to discourage women from ever visiting more than once." As far as I can see, if there are some people willing to acknowledge and address the problem, there is hope for discussion and introspection on it- hopefully leading to some attempts at resolution. And Pankaj, this thread repeatedly will raise "its ugly head" because this issue has not been resolved. I am not sorry that it causes discomfort in your complacent world. "that more women aren't using Linux because there is a gender issue relating with technology as a whole. In my experiences males dominate most computer related areas." Welcome to the world- it's not just technology that there is a gender issue to- it is indeed present in every aspect of our lives, and in every corner of the world. A techie will say it's true for technology, a businessman will say it's true for business...media, politics, engineering, medicine- the "gender issue" is ever present. Please look around and notice this. Yes, "males do dominate most computer related areas". And not just computer related areas.It is a fact- but not one to be plainly accepted. The question arises- why is it so? And to take it further, in any field, why is it that the marginalised continue to stay marginalised? Is it because they are genetically predisposed to being marginalised? Or should one ask- What opportunities do they have- are they in any way equal to the opportunities of the more privileged? At this moment, I am talking only about gender, but my concerns extend to all marginalised people, in all areas. It is convenient to say that this is how things are- and be complacent about it. Like you yourself have said- there are men who don't care about alternatives, and similarly, there are women like that. But it DOES NOT mean that its a fact of nature that women are predominantly like that. A baby girl is not born genetically un-inclined towards technology. A baby boy is not born wanting to open up his toy car to see how it works. Socialisation sees to it that women feel underconfident about technology- except when they have gone ahead to specialise in it, and in a few cases, when they have fought against such socialisation. Which is all the more reason for human beings (I am not distinguishing between men and women) who are more priviliged to try to empower those women. And it is possible- I have mentioned my case in brief. The people who have helped me learn what I know, and to do the tasks that I do- are all male. It's just that they were actually interested in my learning. And yet, in the process of my learning, and in my daily work, I continue to face male chauvinism. And this is not a male vs. female debate- I sincerely believe that a healthy balance is good for all human beings- men or women. Whether it's in the world, in the field of technology, or on a mailing list. Regards, Hassath ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Linux LAN and BSNL Dataone
> "Anand" == anandsha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Anand> I am trying to have 2 Linux machines connected via a Anand> switch, and share the BSNL Dataone ADSL Broadband Anand> connection. Anand> [snip] Anand> I am unable to browse Internet on PC-2. What's the Anand> problem?? 1. Ensure that PC1 has IP forwarding turned on: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward 2. If your BSNL equipment doesn't do it, setup NAT on PC1. Something like: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.2.0/24 -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.1.2 (line may wrap) If this works, you're automagically volunteered for Freedel as payment :) Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Linux LAN and BSNL Dataone
I am trying to have 2 Linux machines connected via a switch, and share the
BSNL Dataone ADSL Broadband connection.
|PC-1: 192.168.1.2 eth0|---|MT800 Modem+Router:192.168.1.1}--BSNL Network-->
| 192.168.2.2 eth1|
|---{SWITCH}--|PC-2: 192.168.2.3 eth0|
It should be possible to add more number of machines on the switch.
I am connected and browsing comfortably with PC-1.
>From PC-2, I am able to Ping PC-1 192.168.2.2 and 192.168.1.2, but NOT
192.168.1.1
The routing table on PC-1 is placed below:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# route -n
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth1
192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0
169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 00 eth1
0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth0
The routing table on PC-2 is placed below:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# route -n
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface
192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0
169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 00 eth0
0.0.0.0 192.168.2.2 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth0
I am unable to browse Internet on PC-2. What's the problem??
Many thanks in advance.
Anand Shankar
Anand Shankar
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Re: [ilugd] How to create a new linux user on the fly
On 8/21/05, Sharad Birmiwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i thought there was some email in this thread about thread hijacking? > > sharad birmiwal please do not hijack threads In case, you have no clue what hijacking the thread means, see http://mm.bbspals.org/general/message-recycling.html for a nice explanation (with nice figures). Always start a new thread instead of taking an already ongoing one, changing the subject line and posting it again. The subject line is only loosely related to the threading. Every mail message has a message-id. When you "reply" or "followup" to a message, you client is supposed to put a References header with the message-id of the message you are replying to. If you use an existing thread, the result is that your question is buried below unrelated questions when looking at the mailing list in a threaded way. This is known as `Hijacking threads'. It causes information to be lost and you'll be less likely to get an answer i think the above information should be of use to poor misguided souls. Sriram > On 21 Aug 2005 12:24:51 -, Satnam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi There, > > I am a new user and interested in development on linux environment. For > > this I have setup SuSE linux on my system. I have a problem with my > > Bluetooth mouse. Linux finds it but somehow not able to use it and even if > > whenever I plug it in it shows mouse name but after then nothing happens, > > IS there anybody who can help in that? > > regards > > > > satnam > > > > On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 Abhishek Jain wrote : > > >Hi Friends, > > >I wanted to create a linux user on the fly(ie. With mine PERL/CGI > > >script) . > > >Is there a method to do so. I am having a webserver with root access. > > >Pl. reply. > > >The distro I will be using is Redhat Enterprise Linux. > > >Thanks for your time and effort. > > >-- > > >Regards, > > >Abhishek jain > > > > > > > > > > > >___ > > >ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > > >Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > > >http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > > > > > ___ > > ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > > Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > > > ___ > ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] How to create a new linux user on the fly
i thought there was some email in this thread about thread hijacking? sharad birmiwal On 21 Aug 2005 12:24:51 -, Satnam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi There, > I am a new user and interested in development on linux environment. For this > I have setup SuSE linux on my system. I have a problem with my Bluetooth > mouse. Linux finds it but somehow not able to use it and even if whenever I > plug it in it shows mouse name but after then nothing happens, IS there > anybody who can help in that? > regards > > satnam > > On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 Abhishek Jain wrote : > >Hi Friends, > >I wanted to create a linux user on the fly(ie. With mine PERL/CGI > >script) . > >Is there a method to do so. I am having a webserver with root access. > >Pl. reply. > >The distro I will be using is Redhat Enterprise Linux. > >Thanks for your time and effort. > >-- > >Regards, > >Abhishek jain > > > > > > > >___ > >ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > >Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > >http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > > ___ > ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Ad Blockers for Linux
Saurabh Nanda wrote: > Hi, > > Any ad blocking software which runs out of the box for Linux? > Preferably available as a Debian package! > > I'm on a Reliance connection and man, it's SLOW!! > > Nandz. If you are not using Firefox as your browser then you can try installing Privoxy (http://www.privoxy.org/). It works very well even with the default config file. If you are using Firefox then have a look at Adblock extenstion and load a filterset from Filterset.G (http://www.pierceive.com/) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] How to create a new linux user on the fly
Hi There, I am a new user and interested in development on linux environment. For this I have setup SuSE linux on my system. I have a problem with my Bluetooth mouse. Linux finds it but somehow not able to use it and even if whenever I plug it in it shows mouse name but after then nothing happens, IS there anybody who can help in that? regards satnam On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 Abhishek Jain wrote : >Hi Friends, >I wanted to create a linux user on the fly(ie. With mine PERL/CGI >script) . >Is there a method to do so. I am having a webserver with root access. >Pl. reply. >The distro I will be using is Redhat Enterprise Linux. >Thanks for your time and effort. >-- >Regards, >Abhishek jain > > > >___ >ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org >http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd >Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi >http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] D00d3tt3z on ILUG-d?
[snip] > > > > But yes, I have been on this list for a few months, and have not > > heard anyone actually mention it as a loss- the fact that there > > are no 'active' women on the list. > > I don't know what you were expecting to see, but the subject does come > up every now and then: people wonder why more women don't participate, >[snip] i know the feeling. am on this very large and active mailing list, with over 6,900 members. we discuss trends and tips on nail-polish. i often lament why we don't have enough guys on the list. i often wonder how many guys from the ilug-d mailing list would be interested to actively participate and conduct talks and sessions at the monthly meetings. [nail-polish: 'tis like what a theme is to kde or gnome. some even have alpha transparancy. nail-polish remover: a little like running runlevel 3] :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Macromedia flash Player
On Sun, August 21, 2005 15:32, Ramnarayan.K said: > Hi > I installed macromedia flash player at > /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox > > so when I run a site that flash content it only appears on 1/4 th the > screen. > Any ideas why and what to do ? > the directory is /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins and the files that are required for flash are flashplayer.xpt & libflashplayer.so i've not encountered any such 1/4th screen problem till date. you may want to checkout some other sites which have flash and see if it works > Second problem : I want to run a .swf file in Ubuntu linux - what > plugins do I need - I prefer using Xine open firefox (or epiphany) and drag and drop the .swf file in it. the file will automatically sync to the height and width of the firefox window. if you resize that window then press reload to properly display the flash file o--o | vivek * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://exain.net | |Registered Linux User: #305493| o--o ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Macromedia flash Player
Hi I installed macromedia flash player at /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox so when I run a site that flash content it only appears on 1/4 th the screen. Any ideas why and what to do ? Second problem : I want to run a .swf file in Ubuntu linux - what plugins do I need - I prefer using Xine thanks ram ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Ad Blockers for Linux
Hi, Any ad blocking software which runs out of the box for Linux? Preferably available as a Debian package! I'm on a Reliance connection and man, it's SLOW!! Nandz. -- http://nandz.blogspot.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
