Re: [ilugd] WiFi between two laptops

[Mayank Jain]

On 9/26/05, Abhijit Menon-Sen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 2005-09-26 10:53:29 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Continuing with the same thread, what all hardware do i need to
> > connect my Wifi laptop to my desktop linux pc (void of any wifi
> > device)?
>
> An ethernet cable. ;-)
>
> You can get PCI 802.11b adapters, but I don't know how much they cost.
> I'd recommend just buying a cheap access point instead.

Whats the difference between an 802.11b adapter & an access point?

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Re: [ilugd] [LIH]WiFi between two laptops

[vikram ranade]

Sudevji,
I assume that you are using ubuntu.I have ubuntu on my notebook and the
wireless card is configured as eth0

here is the contents of /etc/network/interfaces for reference

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/network/interfaces
# This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
# and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

# This is a list of hotpluggable network interfaces.
# They will be activated automatically by the hotplug subsystem.
mapping hotplug
 script grep
 map eth0

# The primary network interface
iface eth0 inet static
 # wireless-* options are implemented by the wireless-tools package
 wireless-mode managed
 wireless-essid xx
 address 192.168.2.xxx
 netmask 255.255.255.0 

auto eth0
---
I hve configured my network from the gui
(System-->Administration-->Networking)
You will have to only specify a static IP address on each machine abd change
the
wireless-mode managed setting to wireless-mode adhoc

as long as the machines have an IP in the same range/subnet...they should be
able to "talk" to each other.Think of Ad-hoc as a wireless "cross-cable".
Ad-hoc is not ideal way to connect systems...as far as i know the speeds are
not the excellent and the number of systems that can connect is limited to 3
(in terms of concurrent connections.some sort of protocol
limitation).This may have changed in the 802.11g standard...I remember
messing with this in the older 802.11b cards and seeing this limitation.

Hope this helps.
Best regards,
Vikram Ranade
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Re: [ilugd] Question about the ILUGD society

[Saurabh Nanda]

> We got registered as ``Linux Users Group''.  I don't know how the
> erstwhile BLUG managed to get Bangalore into their name -- expecting
> consistency from Government of India is like expecting a hungry tiger
> to pass over an available deer out of compassion :)

Is the registration country-wide? It's strange that, before us, there
wasn't a society called "Linux User's Group" all througout India.

Also, if we've got registered as "Linux User's Group" - BLUG would
need the "Bangalore" in their name to differentiate themselves, iff
the registration is country-wide.

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Re: [ilugd] WiFi between two laptops

[Abhijit Menon-Sen]

At 2005-09-26 10:53:29 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Continuing with the same thread, what all hardware do i need to
> connect my Wifi laptop to my desktop linux pc (void of any wifi
> device)?

An ethernet cable. ;-)

You can get PCI 802.11b adapters, but I don't know how much they cost.
I'd recommend just buying a cheap access point instead.

> I hope the wlan0 interface can then be used as a normal interface
> for routing purposes?

Of course.

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Re: [ilugd] More photos from Freedel

[Pankaj kaushal]

Raj Mathur wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Toufeeq and Pankaj's pics at Freedel are up at:
>   http://shanta.linuxops.net/~raju/cgi-bin/photo/index.cgi

Dont be shy guys, they are not Pankaj's pics. They are pictures from
Pankaj's camera :P.

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[ilugd] Basic Ques. : IPTABLES (FC2)

[santosh dubey]

Dear Sys Admins,

1. I have seen a chain "RH-FIREWALL-1-INPUT" in some
documentation for filter table. Actually it is a
target for INPUT and OUTPUT chain.
Is there any benefit to use it or simply write my
rules in convetional way using iptables. 

2. Second question is very basic. In /etc/services
each service has two protocols tcp and udp. But it is
very clear that some services are based on 'tcp' then
why 'udp' is listed there in front of name of this
service.

Thanks

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Re: [ilugd] WiFi between two laptops

[Mayank Jain]

On 9/26/05, Sudev Barar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry for this lazy poster but need aqucik answer.
> Can WiFi network be setup between two centrino laptops without any
> other WiFi instrastructure?
> Pointers towards making this possible would be gratefully thanked.

Continuing with the same thread, what all hardware do i need to
connect my Wifi laptop to my desktop linux pc (void of any wifi
device)? What is the cost estimate? I hope the wlan0 interface can
then be used as a normal interface for routing purposes? For eg,
routing internet traffic generated from my laptop through my desktop
via wifi connection?

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[Raj Shekhar]

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Re: [ilugd] Question about the ILUGD society

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On Monday 26 Sep 2005 8:28 am, Raj Mathur wrote:
> consistency from Government of India is like expecting a hungry tiger
> to pass over an available deer out of compassion :)

societies registration is a state subject - in tamilnadu for example, 
you can get town/city name in a society

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Re: [ilugd] [LIH]Re: [LIG] Where is the community?

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 04:35:27PM +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>Maybe the issue is not entirely about free or proprietory software. 
>People are switiching to open source for a variety of reasons - 
>philosophy, technical, economics whatever. There is that freedom to 
>choose an element to believe in. But , well the but is simply its the 
>core philosophy of open source  - read transparency, read community 
>involvement, read right to know that is the foundation of this 
>movement.If People want to call it that and I think it is.
>

I'm not going into the license / advocacy / giving back to the community
etc part of it.

As for what (say) Cray gives back to linux, googling for cray.com + linux
or cray.com + linux-kernel gives you a lot of ideas.

Back to the program committee part - in a purely technical conference (as
opposed to public policy / social / philosophical conferences) you are not
going to find substantial differences of opinion of the sort you mention.
Competing technologies, fine. But a presentation is either technical or it
is not.

You need a program committee with enough tech savvy + enough experience
speaking / presenting at such conferences to know what is operational
content and what the audience wants. And who have a reputation for being
even handed. And who are easily contactable in case any issues arise.

srs

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[ilugd] More photos from Freedel

[Raj Mathur]

Hi,

Toufeeq and Pankaj's pics at Freedel are up at:

  http://shanta.linuxops.net/~raju/cgi-bin/photo/index.cgi

Regards,

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[ilugd] Questions about GPL v3

[Raj Mathur]

Interesting thread about the potential dangers of GPL v3 going on at
the oekonux mailing list.  This is the message that started it (newer
messages haven't made it to the archive yet):

http://www.oekonux.org/list-en/archive/msg02814.html

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Re: [ilugd] Question about the ILUGD society

[Raj Mathur]

> "Saurabh" == Saurabh Nanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> Ask BLUG guys. We were refused teh name citing that "Delhi" can
>> be used for special cases only requirin clearance from higher
>> authorities.

Saurabh> So what is the ILUG-D society officially called?

Saurabh> It could be that Delhi, being the country's capital, is
Saurabh> not given out to any and everybody!

We got registered as ``Linux Users Group''.  I don't know how the
erstwhile BLUG managed to get Bangalore into their name -- expecting
consistency from Government of India is like expecting a hungry tiger
to pass over an available deer out of compassion :)

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[ilugd] [OT] Time and gmail

[Sudev Barar]

What gives?
I have synced my time with ntp.metas.ch and the clock showed 06:56 am
but when I have posted the message on gmail to self it appeared with
time stamp of 07:14 am? Is it that gmail / google are running offtime?
Or is their time based on some other clock where their server might be
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Re: [ilugd] [LIH]WiFi between two laptops

[Sudev Barar]

On 9/26/05, Vinu Moses <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Monday 26 September 2005 06:44, Sudev Barar wrote:
> > Can WiFi network be setup between two centrino laptops without any
> > other WiFi instrastructure?
>
> In AdHoc mode, you can communicate directly between two or more wi-fi
> enabled laptops without using an access point.

Now that is what i call support. OP at 6:44 am 6:56 I have two
replies. *$ can not beat that...by this time I would still be holding
the phone for nextrep to be free

Vinu a few steps in hand holding? TIA
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Re: [ilugd] WiFi between two laptops

[Abhijit Menon-Sen]

At 2005-09-26 06:44:23 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Can WiFi network be setup between two centrino laptops without any
> other WiFi instrastructure?

Of course. iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc

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[ilugd] WiFi between two laptops

[Sudev Barar]

Sorry for this lazy poster but need aqucik answer.
Can WiFi network be setup between two centrino laptops without any
other WiFi instrastructure?
Pointers towards making this possible would be gratefully thanked.
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Re: [ilugd] DNS settings

[Naresh Narang]

--- Abhinav Jain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am student of ITBHU , i had the following
> suituation :
> 
> We have 100 subnets in our network and we have one
> DNS server for all of
> them . Now we want to configure different DNS
> settings for 10 subnets and
> different for the rest 90 .
> 
> How should we go about it ?
> 

It seems like you want to ask "How do I configure
DHCP server to set different DNS server for different
subnets." 

May be this helps you find an answer?

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Re: [ilugd] Question about the ILUGD society

[Nikhil Prabhakar]

Hi,

On 9/25/05, Saurabh Nanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> So what is the ILUG-D society officially called?


Just "Linux Users Group" as far as I know.

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Re: [ilugd] Question about the ILUGD society

[Saurabh Nanda]

>  Ask BLUG guys. We were refused teh name citing that
> "Delhi" can be used for special cases only requirin
> clearance from higher authorities.

So what is the ILUG-D society officially called?

It could be that Delhi, being the country's capital, is not given out
to any and everybody!

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Re: [ilugd] Question about the ILUGD society

[vivek khurana]

--- Sandip Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> While reading Kingsly's article recently on BLUG, it
> struck me that BLUG was 
> registered as a society, but it had the word
> bangalore in its name. How could 
> they get away with this name with their registrar of
> scoiety, while we 
> couldn't?
> 
 Ask BLUG guys. We were refused teh name citing that
"Delhi" can be used for special cases only requirin
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[ilugd] Question about the ILUGD society

[Sandip Bhattacharya]

While reading Kingsly's article recently on BLUG, it struck me that BLUG was 
registered as a society, but it had the word bangalore in its name. How could 
they get away with this name with their registrar of scoiety, while we 
couldn't?

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Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads

[Sirtaj Singh Kang]

On Sunday 25 September 2005 18:25, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
[snip]
> So is Compaq evil because even though they shipped a Fully Functioning
> Linux Distribution they had no drivers included for the Modem, Multimedia
> Keys, WiFi Card et cetera ?

Are they evil? Probably not. Should prospective buyers be warned that
they are getting a crap deal and not really what is advertised? Yes,
repeatedly and with great gusto. This is why consumer fora were invented.

I've heard people within Compaq complaining about this, so it's not
like you're the first person to bring it up. DEC and later Compaq (and
now HP, or whatever is left of their respective carcasses) have had a
vague, high-level commitment to Linux for many years, probably since the
mid-nineties.  Unfortunately their bureaucracies being what they are, they
rarely translated into concrete retail products, mostly fancy web pages
filled with rhetoric and some support info for Linux on their servers.
But you know FWIW, guys like Jim Gettys still work there!

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Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads

[Ritesh Raj Sarraf]

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Sandip Bhattacharya on Sunday 25 Sep 2005 14:28 wrote:

> On Sunday, 25 Sep 2005 07:21, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
> 
>> They're doing the right thing.
>> Since it's difficult to cover every users who use GNU/Linux on laptops
>> because most would have their own distinguished choice, it's better to
>> ship a bare bone OS to lower the price and leave it up to the user to
>> choose whatever s/he wants.
> 
> 
> When they are shipping a default stuff anyway, what stops them from
> installing a fully functioning Free linux distro? We have plently of such
> options - Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu. The cost should remain the same, and
> this is precisely been done by other laptop/desktop vendors who are
> shipping with Linux.
> 

As I mentioned in my earlier post, there's no "Single Point Of Contact" in
any of the community driven distributions.
Supporting a fully functional Linux distribution would include much more
rigorous testing which finally would delay the product.
And given the rate with which Linux is developed, it is a tedious task.

No vendor is still giving full support for GNU/Linux in the Desktop/Laptop
market. My Compaq laptop came shipped with Mandrake 9.X which was already
an outdated distribution. There were a couple of multimedia keys and none
of them were functioning.
So is Compaq evil because even though they shipped a Fully Functioning Linux
Distribution they had no drivers included for the Modem, Multimedia Keys,
WiFi Card et cetera ?

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Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads

[Ritesh Raj Sarraf]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sunday 25 Sep 2005 14:10 wrote:

> They could have clearly demonstrated full certification with some of the
> leading Linux distributions, leaving the support option to the consumer.

Full certification is not an easy task. A lot of work and money is required
to get it done. In todays market, as I feel, vendors are shipping GNU/Linux
combination on laptops primarily to lower down the cost and make it
available to the mass.

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Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads

[Mithun Bhattacharya]

--- Guntupalli Karunakar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Naah, see 
> http://www.linpus.com.tw/ - they dont have a stripped down CLI distro
> product (except for embedded stuff!)

Something I noticed which doesnt seem to have been mentioned is the
fact that it seems both Acer and Limpus are of Taiwan origin. Also
Limpus seems to be able to run KDE but all text is in chinese. Maybe
this was somebody's quick fix / lowcost option to promote taiwanese
software which backfired ?


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Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads

[Abhijit Menon-Sen]

At 2005-09-25 07:21:14 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Of course, the fact remains that they are giving the customer a
> > crippled OS.
> 
> They're doing the right thing.
> Since it's difficult to cover every users who use GNU/Linux on laptops
> because most would have their own distinguished choice

Are you forgetting that the vast majority of people who buy computers
are not already Linux users, as you seem to assume? I think it's also
ridiculous to assume that the majority of experienced Linux users who
buy the laptop would rush to reinstall, assuming something sensible
were installed already.

> it's better to ship a bare bone OS to lower the price

Why should it materially affect the price whether they pre-install one
distribution or another?

> and leave it up to the user to choose whatever s/he wants.

What the user wants is a computer that works. If it doesn't work, they
will have to do something about it so that it does. If it works, most
people don't care what it is.

Can you imagine someone who hasn't used Linux before downloading their
own "choice" of distribution and getting it to work? It's more likely
that they'd take the laptop to some friend and get Windows installed
(and curse whoever installed Linux in the first place, and complain
to a few more people about how much Linux sucks; do you think they
will distinguish between Linpus and Grampus Linux?).

But I can imagine someone learning to use OpenOffice, if they didn't
also have to install from scratch and didn't have to pay for Windows.

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Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads

[Sandip Bhattacharya]

On Sunday, 25 Sep 2005 07:21, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:

> They're doing the right thing.
> Since it's difficult to cover every users who use GNU/Linux on laptops
> because most would have their own distinguished choice, it's better to ship
> a bare bone OS to lower the price and leave it up to the user to choose
> whatever s/he wants.


When they are shipping a default stuff anyway, what stops them from installing 
a fully functioning Free linux distro? We have plently of such options - 
Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu. The cost should remain the same, and this is 
precisely been done by other laptop/desktop vendors who are shipping with 
Linux.

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Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads

[anandsha]

- Original Message -
From: Guntupalli Karunakar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, September 25, 2005 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads

> On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 06:47:19 +0530
> Sudev Barar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On 9/25/05, Ritesh Raj Sarraf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote: [SNIP]
> > > Something which is preferred by you isn't at all preferred by me.
> > > When I bought my laptop, it came shipped with Mandrake Linux,
> > > which I'm sure you like, but wasn't my preferred choice. So what
> > > do I do, say that the company
> > 
> > Which laptop was that? AFAIK Compaq does ship with mandrake but it
> > has pcdos pre-installed and you are given a sealed pack Mandrake
> > thatyou install atyourown risk with no support by them.
> > 
> > [SNIP]
> > > BTW, whatever distribution ACER shipped with its laptop, does it
> > > cover support ? If yes, bug them.
> > 
> > That is what I have been doing in my instance. But Limpus Linux is
> > really a small CLI distro that even if they supported would not get
> > things done for me.
> 
> Naah, see 
> http://www.linpus.com.tw/ - they dont have a stripped down CLI distro
> product (except for embedded stuff!)
> This is probably some custom stuff they did on Acer demand, with
> Acer specifically demanding a stripped down thing - & not give a full
> desktop.
> As a company Acer could well have a full installed & configured
> Linux desktop on the laptops, Linpus etc would do them a good job at
> getting things preconfigured. But Acer didnt want that whatever their
> commercial or persuasive reasons.
> 
> Karunakar
> 
> -- 
Most certainly every company deserves its independence for its commercial 
decisions together with the responsibility. As a pre-installed product, the 
customer must demand full demonstration of each and every hardware component 
working with the pre-installed environment. There is no point with a 
pre-installed environment which does not support full featureset of the 
hardware on which it is running. It would be worth an investigation whether the 
customised Linpus CLI does indeed support all HW features on the motherboard.

Moreover as a community we do have a right to point out the anomalies and 
portrayal of a wrong image by Acer. Acer could have given optional packs, with 
support available from third party suppliers or channel partners for the OS 
environment. They could have clearly demonstrated full certification with some 
of the leading Linux distributions, leaving the support option to the consumer.

Anand Shankar


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Re: [ilugd] Where is the community?

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On Sunday 25 Sep 2005 12:34 pm, Raj Mathur wrote:
> Despite a lot of searching, I have not been able to get a clear idea
> of the status of the User Group in Bangalore and Linux Bangalore --
> are either of them community or do they represent a single entity --

this discussion may help clarify your thoughts:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/lawgon/4841.html

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Re: [ilugd] Where is the community?

[Abhijit Menon-Sen]

At 2005-09-25 12:34:28 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> however, the moment you bring the Free Software part of FOSS into the
> picture you are implicitly acknowledging that the freedom aspect of
> software is at least as important to you as the technical aspects.

Maybe's it's being called FOSS.in as a sign that the "L" (Libre) isn't
important. :-)

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Re: [ilugd] Where is the community?

[Raj Mathur]

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> "Sandip" == Sandip Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Sandip> On Saturday, 24 Sep 2005 12:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sandip> wrote:
>> Call is social responsibility, call it a *"request from the
>> community"*

Sandip> Sounds more like dictating a social *duty*.

>> This, however, is from the view point of a community versus
>> corporate - where the community is the large amorphous mass
>> (whose collective resources base is large but individual
>> resource base disparately distributed) and the corporate are
>> the proprietory privateers (who have even larger private and
>> unshared resources) whose sole motive is profit, wherever it
>> may come from and whatever the cost. So is there a
>> responsibility with that freedom , to access code, to make
>> profits etc and my uneducated question is are they giving back
>> from where they have taken -

Sandip> Somehow there is this difference in attitude between Free
Sandip> software folks and the *BSD guys that keeps irritating me.

Sandip> Our main idea is to benefit the *community* right? By the
Sandip> community, for the community ... that is what we would
Sandip> want to say, right?

Sandip> So what is this antagonism towards people making money or
Sandip> people with wealth who are using this software? Why do we
Sandip> care? As long as the community keeps getting better and
Sandip> better over time, we have accomplished what we have to.

Sandip> When you use words like "responsibility" or "giving back",
Sandip> you *are* talking about strings attached to using Free
Sandip> software. If there are such strings, put them in the damn
Sandip> licence, otherwise nobody has the right to interpret the
Sandip> licence or its "spirit", whether they are Free or closed
Sandip> source software people.

I agree with Sandip: making money from FOSS is perfectly legitimate
(dammit, I do it myself!), and you cannot ask the user of a software
for anything beyond what the software license enjoins him/her to do.

However, we're digressing a bit from Pankaj's original questions,
which were purely about foss.in.  foss.in claims to be a community
FOSS event.  Pankaj, I and a number of other people whom I've talked
to seem to believe that both these adjectives are open to question.

1. Can you promote FOSS (note: this is different from ``Promote
Linux'') by promoting proprietary software?

The term FOSS espouses both the Free Software (freedom) and Open
Source (technological, commercial) views of software.  If it were a
purely OSS (Open Source Software) or Linux event, there would be no
issues; however, the moment you bring the Free Software part of FOSS
into the picture you are implicitly acknowledging that the freedom
aspect of software is at least as important to you as the technical
aspects.  In those circumstances promoting proprietary software
contradicts the stance that you claim to have taken.

2. Until one has a clear idea of how much money is going into whose
pockets, calling the event a community event is completely wrong.

Despite a lot of searching, I have not been able to get a clear idea
of the status of the User Group in Bangalore and Linux Bangalore --
are either of them community or do they represent a single entity --
which is the reason the foss.in promoters need to clarify and set the
minds of the community at rest as soon as possible.  If that is not
done the only conclusion that I will be able to draw is that the event
is masquerading as a community event while actually being a means of
making money for a single entity.

I didn't see Atul Chitnis' response to my earlier queries in the
thread he had jumped into earlier.  Either he's busy or he considers
these questions not worth answering.  However, I believe that both
questions are important to the Indian Linux community and need to be
addressed.

Regards,

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Re: [ilugd] Acers laptop ads

[Guntupalli Karunakar]

On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 06:47:19 +0530
Sudev Barar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 9/25/05, Ritesh Raj Sarraf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote: [SNIP]
> > Something which is preferred by you isn't at all preferred by me.
> > When I bought my laptop, it came shipped with Mandrake Linux,
> > which I'm sure you like, but wasn't my preferred choice. So what
> > do I do, say that the company
> 
> Which laptop was that? AFAIK Compaq does ship with mandrake but it
> has pcdos pre-installed and you are given a sealed pack Mandrake
> thatyou install atyourown risk with no support by them.
> 
> [SNIP]
> > BTW, whatever distribution ACER shipped with its laptop, does it
> > cover support ? If yes, bug them.
> 
> That is what I have been doing in my instance. But Limpus Linux is
> really a small CLI distro that even if they supported would not get
> things done for me.

Naah, see 
http://www.linpus.com.tw/ - they dont have a stripped down CLI distro
product (except for embedded stuff!)
 This is probably some custom stuff they did on Acer demand, with
Acer specifically demanding a stripped down thing - & not give a full
desktop.
 As a company Acer could well have a full installed & configured
Linux desktop on the laptops, Linpus etc would do them a good job at
getting things preconfigured. But Acer didnt want that whatever their
commercial or persuasive reasons.

Karunakar

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Re: [ilugd] [LIG] Re: Where is the community?

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

On Sunday 25 September 2005 12:30, Raj Mathur wrote:
> I didn't see Atul Chitnis' response to my earlier queries in the
> thread he had jumped into earlier.  Either he's busy or he considers

I think Atul's "response" is posted on his blog at http://www.atulchitnis.net

>  I'll say this... [Fri, 23rd Sep, 12:19 AM] 
> ...people in glass houses should not throw stones.
> 
> I will re-address the issue in the first week of December, 
> but believe me - it will be an eye-opener for many of you. 
> 
> Have faith. 

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