Re: [ilugd] Minutes of the last ILUG-Delhi meeting, on Jan. 28th
On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 12:32 +0530, rahul wrote: This is shocking. What promises are we talking about here? we offered everything that was minuted in the minutes of the meeting? [...] Well, I am glad that you are shocked, because so were we. We were promised complete participation in choosing speakers for the technical track, and were met with a fait accompli list of speakers that was circulated without input from our side. I must say that your follow-up letter was much nicer, and had much more room for cooperation, but the original style of functioning in choosing speakers left a bad taste, and an apprehension that ILUG-Delhi was just being pulled in to give a community stamp to an already choreographed event. For the record, I was originally very much in favour of participating in LA2007, but became one of the most vociferous opponents after the fiasco with the speakers. The goal of cooperation is not irretrievably lost, in my opinion, but there needs to be a lot more openness from the side of LFY, and a lot more ongoing collaboration with the LUG, rather than only when Linux Asia rolls around. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007
On 02/02/07, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 02 February 2007 13:02, rahul wrote: Hi, I would request you to give us a day to revert with our side of the story. We are right now in the middle of 2 mega events (LinuxAsia and EFY Awards)--so please bear with us for not commenting on this issue in detail. [snip] That's fair enough, but keep your asbestos underwear handy when you join the discussion :) @Raj...no prejudging...although +1 from me too! -- Regards, Sudev Barar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007
rearranging the top post to make the thread sensible: On 02-Feb-07, at 1:02 PM, rahul wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Openlx Linux Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:50 PM To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Subject: Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007 On 1/31/07, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is quite obvious what their point of participating in the event is about. I don't understand how a company which doesn't contribute to Linux is any positive/constructive way, can be allowed to participate in such an event. What is the criteria for participating in this apparently Linux event? We appreciate feedback from the community both +ve and -ve but these claims of greed and money are definitely very demotiavting. you *did* promise on chennai list to justify the microsoft sponsorship within 2 days, but havent. So what happens about feedback then? Yes, EFY Group is a commercial organisation, but for us the growth of Open Source and Linux is as important as for anyone else on this list, afterall LINUX For You's bread and butter comes from there. one thing you have to clarify is this: if you felt microsoft sponsorship was for the good of the community, how come you didnt announce it on the mailing lists with all the fanfare that novell used to announce it's agreement with microsoft? If you had done that, maybe we could have considered you sincere - misguided no doubt, but sincere. Why was the whole thing quietly slipped in on the website without any notice? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Minutes of the last ILUG-Delhi meeting, on Jan. 28th
But... we had explained that the list we had sent to you were names of people who we had contacted to: 1. ask them if they were interested to speak at LinuxAsia 2. inform them that if they were intrested, they were to share their topics and titles of possible presentations, which we would then have reviewed with the entire panel the only exceptions were 5-6 speakers (ex: the president) who were directly invited, because they were to speak on day 1--i.e. the day that was directly under our control. and once we did this exercise, we sent the list to ILUG-D to keep it updated, so that there was no duplication in efforts. please do let us know what was incorrect in this approach. regards rahul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gora Mohanty Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:04 PM To: 'The Linux-Delhi mailing list' Subject: Re: [ilugd] Minutes of the last ILUG-Delhi meeting, on Jan. 28th On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 12:32 +0530, rahul wrote: This is shocking. What promises are we talking about here? we offered everything that was minuted in the minutes of the meeting? [...] Well, I am glad that you are shocked, because so were we. We were promised complete participation in choosing speakers for the technical track, and were met with a fait accompli list of speakers that was circulated without input from our side. I must say that your follow-up letter was much nicer, and had much more room for cooperation, but the original style of functioning in choosing speakers left a bad taste, and an apprehension that ILUG-Delhi was just being pulled in to give a community stamp to an already choreographed event. For the record, I was originally very much in favour of participating in LA2007, but became one of the most vociferous opponents after the fiasco with the speakers. The goal of cooperation is not irretrievably lost, in my opinion, but there needs to be a lot more openness from the side of LFY, and a lot more ongoing collaboration with the LUG, rather than only when Linux Asia rolls around. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Minutes of the last ILUG-Delhi meeting, on Jan. 28th
On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 15:27 +0530, rahul wrote: But... we had explained that the list we had sent to you were names of people who we had contacted to: 1. ask them if they were interested to speak at LinuxAsia 2. inform them that if they were intrested, they were to share their topics and titles of possible presentations, which we would then have reviewed with the entire panel the only exceptions were 5-6 speakers (ex: the president) who were directly invited, because they were to speak on day 1--i.e. the day that was directly under our control. and once we did this exercise, we sent the list to ILUG-D to keep it updated, so that there was no duplication in efforts. please do let us know what was incorrect in this approach. [...] Hmm, that was not my impression at all, neither from the people on the ILUG-Delhi that the list was sent to (I only saw it second-hand), nor from other people outside ILUG-Delhi. For example, I talked with people from the NRCF, who also viewed the list as a finalised one. Also, by the time the list was being circulated, it was already rather close to the LA2007 dates. Rather than go on and on about you said this, and I said that, if there was a genuine mis-communication, let us take it up off-line, but, at least for the moment, I stand by what I said. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Minutes of the last ILUG-Delhi meeting, on Jan. 28th
and...i am so sorry for not commenting on the last parawhich is very supporting... I will certainly try and attend the next LUG meeting, and understand how we can make a more transparent system the next time. plus collaborate more with the LUG. Have already started sharing advice on the LUG (after Sandip's tip) :-) will defi try to be more active regards rahul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gora Mohanty Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:04 PM To: 'The Linux-Delhi mailing list' Subject: Re: [ilugd] Minutes of the last ILUG-Delhi meeting, on Jan. 28th On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 12:32 +0530, rahul wrote: This is shocking. What promises are we talking about here? we offered everything that was minuted in the minutes of the meeting? [...] Well, I am glad that you are shocked, because so were we. We were promised complete participation in choosing speakers for the technical track, and were met with a fait accompli list of speakers that was circulated without input from our side. I must say that your follow-up letter was much nicer, and had much more room for cooperation, but the original style of functioning in choosing speakers left a bad taste, and an apprehension that ILUG-Delhi was just being pulled in to give a community stamp to an already choreographed event. For the record, I was originally very much in favour of participating in LA2007, but became one of the most vociferous opponents after the fiasco with the speakers. The goal of cooperation is not irretrievably lost, in my opinion, but there needs to be a lot more openness from the side of LFY, and a lot more ongoing collaboration with the LUG, rather than only when Linux Asia rolls around. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Minutes of the last ILUG-Delhi meeting, on Jan. 28th
On 02-Feb-07, at 4:03 PM, rahul wrote: will defi try to be more active and please try not to top post also - it is really messing up the threads -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007
On 2/1/07, Sudev Barar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/02/07, Vishnu Gopal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone who doesn't compromise my goals for an event. It's like this: you give me this much money and you get this much. Yup, I will. If Rajindar da Dhaba wants to sponsor the next whatever, I say lets go for it =) Sorry for missing out on this interesting thread during the day. First of all +1 for keeping on the list. IF, note it is big if, M$ was only wanting to sell their products it would not really be an issue bigger than Santa Dhabha selling food at Raju Dhaba would be. However issue here is M$'s duplicity in threatening every and all sundry with their patent nonsense and then have gumption to hijack your movement. All the attempts at such back door entry need to be restricted as much as possible. OSS community also exists for M$ platforms we have no issues with that and we would welcome speakers from M$ itself if they were demonstrating products based on OSS / GPL et. al. However to be main sponsor of an event and then get a front stage performance would subvert the very basis of OSS movement and community ownership. If you will allow me to put in my two cents at this juncture - This animosity towards Microsoft is justified as long as it is used as a common battle cry for the cause of Open Source / Free Software and nothing more. Microsoft is just the company most out of sync with our goals and the premise (Something is Microsofty = That something is Evil) is just a time saving approximation that we use to simplify things. Microsoft per se is *not* the enemy. If Microsoft is participating in a Linux event let them! There would be no knotting of knickers amongst the truly rational pro-OSS group. Why should we restrict their very legitimate and wholly reasonable activities, especially if they are paying real cash which would help us to further our cause. I don't think there should be concerns about Microsoft hijacking the movement, compromising the agenda and curtailing a free discussion, just by being on the sponsors list. If there is some of it then it is really LA organisers's fault that they let it happen and not Microsoft's for trying. Count me out of the knickers-knotted group. The Free Software Philosophy as I see it would be defense and not offense. Regards, Anupam Jain ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007
Vishnu Gopal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2/1/07, Vikas Rawal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would it compromise the goals/agenda? An event is different from the sponsorship. It's like the Google sponsored ads that I see towards What counts is the cause; not just the event or agenda for the event. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] hi sir..
On 02/02/07, atul jha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sir i spoke to oldmonk.wanted to know if i can get administrative privilages to modify the webpage. As discussed at the meeting I have created editors as Gora and Anand. They have now rights to make the editorial team and also to approve subscriptions to http://ezine.linux-delhi.org site. Please follow up with them. -- Regards, Sudev Barar PS Editors - my own account activation request is pending !! ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Minutes of the last ILUG-Delhi meeting, on Jan. 28th
in infinite wisdom Gora Mohanty spoke thus On 02/02/2007 12:25 PM: o Some features of the first issue could be: - Developer corner. - An article from a hacker. - New products from Sourceforge, and other online repositories. - Smaller LUGs in India. - List of scholarships in FOSS areas. - FOSS project of the month: How to take part in it. Another addition - a summary of interesting threads from the mailing list. -- raj shekhar facts: http://rajshekhar.net | opinions: http://rajshekhar.net/blog I dare do all that may become a man; Who dares do more is none. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The MS trojan horse in Linux Asia 2007
+1 from my side. -- Dhiraj Linux user # 436247 http://del.icio.us/dhiraj.cs R.K.G.I.T. Ghaziabad ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
