Re: [ilugd] OSDD Portal - request for comments from community
>>> Sandip Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/20/08 9:38 PM >>> >IMHO, my perceived biggest problem in organizations like CSIR is >vendor/platform lock-in which causes expensive sustainability issues >later. Having options which are nimble are as important as options which >are so called "enterprise grade". I am tempted to fork this thread into defending the role of government funded laboratories in implementing technological and engineering innovation, but that would dilute the direct answer to the statement above - which is far more important. It is precisely to avoid vendor or platform lock-in that we are sifting through the proposed components to focus on open source - and pasting it on this list to gauge the response of the community in using them. Most members on this list would have the time, skills and resources to be able to click-start the portal components, fewer provide tuning and security, but probably none can provide the legal indemnity for developing such a portal. Hence the need to rely on "enterprise" builds and a framework that has indemnity built in. The nimbleness would be on how easily one can get support and extensibility to it, which - to me - is dependent on how easy it is for the community to participate. >The other problems are talent and support. Recruiting and retaining good Java >programmers/admins are a nightmare for commercial organizations in the >first place. I cannot imagine what it will be for organizations like >CSIR. This is a generic problem, especially with IT skills, and government salary scales. However, this is the first Indian Govt, funded project that I know of, that has a significant departure from the cathedral in-house model of implementation to the bazaar-style. It has in-built mechanisms of funding for consultancies, awards and rewards, credits for contribution and a Google SoC style fellowship. Would be grateful for any more ideas on how to widen the participation of the (especially Indian) FOSS community. Would anyone be interested in developing a prototype? BTW: Disclaimer - I am a volunteer contributor to the project and this is just my opinion. Andrew ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] OSDD Portal - request for comments from community
Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/20/08 9:38 PM >>> >[LONG] Comments inline... >On Thursday 19 Jun 2008, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: >> +++ Andrew Michael Lynn [19/06/08 14:26 +0530]: >> >Requirements: Collaboration, Content-management, an Open Lab >> > note-book, project management and workflow >> > >> >1. OS >> >Solaris >> >Enterprise Linux >> >> Is commercial support from Redhat/Sun going to be bought? If not, >> then Debian would be a good rock solid alternative too. Freebsd would >> be as good too. >> >> Business angle: >> Solaris/Opensolaris vs. Linux: >> 1. How expensive is paid tech support? >> 2. How much support is typically needed in any of these options. >> 3. How much difficult is it to get admins for these options? And >> retain them? >> 4. As a consequence, how easy is it to get good documentation? And >> good community support? > >I'd add: > >5. How easy is it to get the target software for the target platform? >Do the products you are selecting have a large installed base on the OS >you select? Are any of them certified? The last is a compelling reason for choosing a Linux based OS: There are far more applications in the academic community that one can get running with a routine configure-make using gmake, and is why the application layer at least would have to be with Linux >> >3. Portal Engine >> >Sun Open Portal >> >LifeRay >> > >> >Note: Most users/developers of computational biology applications >> >web-enable their applications using a LAMP stack. Q: Can similar >> > portal functionalities be provided by Joomla/Drupal/etc ? >> >> Yes, You should also consider FOSS options like Plone, Typo3 which >> has workflow login built in. > >Umm, that's really, really basic workflow. jBPM (or any >enterprise-grade workflow engine) can give you infinitely customisable >workflows. Of course, in this case I'm not sure what level of >workflows we need. > On the portal, the applications should be pluggable and accessible, much like what is implemented in the SUN site, network.com(1). The present leaning is to consider data and applications as services and use an SOA. Linking these services together to form a workflow (we use the word "pipeline" more in computational biology) is the main requirement for a workflow component to the portal. An example that best suits our requirement is the taverna project(2), which is a desktop workbench, and will have to be modified so that the resources are local or on a grid built for the project. (1) http://network.com/ (2) http://taverna.sourceforge.net/ Andrew ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Belenix coming in July Issue of LFY
FOSS is an inclusive term generally synonymous with both free software and open source software which describe similar development models, but with differing cultures and philosophies. 'Free software' focuses on the philosophical freedoms it gives to users and 'open source' focuses on the perceived strengths of its peer-to-peer development model. However many people relate to both aspects and so FOSS is a term that can be used without particular bias towards either camp. Thanks > Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 07:58:18 +0530 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > Subject: Re: [ilugd] Belenix coming in July Issue of LFY > > +++ Angad Singh [22/06/08 02:32 +0530]: > >There's a difference between "open source" and "FOSS" as is evident > >and has been talked about a lot in the above discussion. > > No. There is no confusion about this in the list. FOSS definition > includes open source, and the whole discussion was whether > Opensolaris distro as a whole (and not just parts of it) is Open > Source or not. > > - Sandip > > -- > Sandip Bhattacharya > http://blog.sandipb.net > > ___ > ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Belenix coming in July Issue of LFY
I'm not going to re-iterate anything just clearly mentioned in the entire discussion. If you just want to stick to your own conclusion even after it being proved wrong in the thread, then the list can decide who misled who. I'm glad its all archived. FWIW, I repeat, OpenSolaris is open source, its not 100% FOSS. Angad Singh http://angadsingh.in http://blogs.sun.com/angad "The best way to predict future is to invent it" ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Belenix coming in July Issue of LFY
+++ Angad Singh [22/06/08 02:32 +0530]: >There's a difference between "open source" and "FOSS" as is evident >and has been talked about a lot in the above discussion. No. There is no confusion about this in the list. FOSS definition includes open source, and the whole discussion was whether Opensolaris distro as a whole (and not just parts of it) is Open Source or not. - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya http://blog.sandipb.net ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Belenix coming in July Issue of LFY
On Sunday 22 Jun 2008, Angad Singh wrote: > > There's a difference between "open source" and "FOSS" as is evident > and has been talked about a lot in the above discussion. Yes there is, and OpenSolaris is neither Open Source nor FOSS nor Free Software as of today. Please stop misleading the list. -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Belenix coming in July Issue of LFY
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Sandip Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +++ Angad Singh [22/06/08 01:13 +0530]: >> >>I agree. OpenSolaris, though being open source, is not FOSS, my point >>is just that why shud it not be discussed on this list if other >>non-FOSS distro's or other non-FOSS languages and much else is already >>discussed. > > Uh oh. Careful about your terminology: > > http://freefreesoftware.org/foss/ > > FOSS = Free (and) Open Source Software Lol, yes I very well know the abbreviations' full form :) There's a difference between "open source" and "FOSS" as is evident and has been talked about a lot in the above discussion. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Belenix coming in July Issue of LFY
+++ Angad Singh [22/06/08 01:13 +0530]: > >I agree. OpenSolaris, though being open source, is not FOSS, my point >is just that why shud it not be discussed on this list if other >non-FOSS distro's or other non-FOSS languages and much else is already >discussed. Uh oh. Careful about your terminology: http://freefreesoftware.org/foss/ FOSS = Free (and) Open Source Software - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya http://blog.sandipb.net ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Belenix coming in July Issue of LFY
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:16 AM, Sandip Bhattacharya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +++ Sudhanwa Jogalekar [21/06/08 15:43 +0530]: >> >>Ubuntu also has some proprietory components but nobody says it is >>NON-FOSS and is promoted and accepted very well everywhere. > > Perhaps you did not completely understand what Raj said in the previous > mail - all the Linux distros mentioned (Ubuntu, Fedora, etc.) out of the > box are perfectly FOSS compliant. Any addition of proprietery drivers > (often mentioned while spreading FUD about these distros, like the one > a few mails > back) is *always* done after the OS is up and running. The > proprietary > drivers are never necessary for the basic functioning of the OS. nvidia > works with vesa, mp3 doesn't work as they should not, mplayer is not > installed as it should not be, proprietery codecs are not installed as > they should not be. Each of > these are only installed once the user > deliberately asks for them to be > installed after the OS is installed, and with full knowledge about the > compromise they would be doing in the process. [refer to just posted previous mail regarding this and please tell me if information quoted there is wrong about the linux kernel] > > > All this said, I would admit that Opensolaris is on its way to be a > FOSS distro. The community is working hard, they are also perhaps > pushing Sun to move faster. At the end having another FOSS alternative > is always a good thing. I agree. OpenSolaris, though being open source, is not FOSS, my point is just that why shud it not be discussed on this list if other non-FOSS distro's or other non-FOSS languages and much else is already discussed. > Free software definition has always been zealously defined and defended. > Regardless of people either misunderstanding it or trying to dilute its > definition intentionally, it is important to be alert and making sure > there is no compromise. FSF has a very good reason to demand complete 100% openness, it is their ideal and their purpose, and I respect it's purpose, but as I see this, here it is just being used as a means to lay off opensolaris discussions on this list, whence other non-FOSS software are being discussed. > > > The Opensolaris community in India should not feel negative about the > FOSS communities like ILUGD if their ultimate aim is the same as ours. > They actually have our support in their endeavours. Don't get too upset > about these discussions. We only ask that please be clear about the > ultimate aim - Free software for every man/woman (Free not as in beer). > People are naturally proud about their work, and they should be, but > don't have any illusions about where you stand, and I mean to say this > in a good way. I am not at all upset about opensolaris not being FOSS. It is opensource, not FOSS is what I will continue to claim now, but all I am upset about is the discouragement from it being discussed on this list.. whence [repeating above line]. That's my only point right now, nothing against any linux distro, nor against the purpose of FSF or FOSS. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Belenix coming in July Issue of LFY
Firstly, let me remind you that the original discussion was whether OpenSolaris is or not 'open source', since I had made that claim. I never said it was FOSS. And that you're saying it is not FOSS is a complete FUD tactic too. Secondly, the point remains that none of the considered FOSS distributions like ubuntu or fedora are FOSS as in "every line of code available", then why is it ok to discuss them over at this list either? > Slinging mud at others doesn't necessarily make you more clean yourself. True, but if I was not slinging mud at anyone. I don't even consider being non-FOSS mud in the first place. I know that the point of the discussion was not whether ubuntu or debian are FOSS, but I am comparing them since if opensolaris can't be discuss why are they being allowed to be discussed. It is not FUD to point out that ubuntu [etc] is not FOSS by these standards, as there are people on the mailing list who could get a wrong opinion of it being FOSS by the stringent test being applied. The Linux Kernel itself isn't completely open. That has been well discussed over at the linux-libre thread. Quoting from the first post of that thread [1]: "http://jebba.blagblagblag.org/?p=244 The official "vanilla" Linux kernel from Linus that gets distributed on kernel.org has non-free[1] software in it. click on the above url to discover more, and of course, search the web for more, if you wish." And I rather not quote the other stuff opinionated over at that thread here as it clearly demeans even the Linux kernel being FOSS and the very basis of discussion of this mailing list being non-FOSS which would put you in a very tough situation and ultimately create another flamewar. For those unaware of what I am talking about may see that thread. But I have found a very interesting though written over there by Gora, which I would definitely share here, as it is very much in context: "Who is the quote community unquote above? To my mind the community is *you*. So, if there is a subject that you are passionately interested about, please, do feel free to take up the cause. For example, Venky, Nagarjuna, Prabir, and other folk did this wonderfully with the whole OOXML business; taking up and fighting what must have, at times, seemed like a lonely battle. All the while taking care to keep the FOSS community informed, and constantly trying to engage them. If you care so much about this issue, please try to put together the resources to fork the Linux kernel. Doing a smidgen of constructive work counts for much more in my book than endless hand-wringing on mailing lists." ..which was a reply to Niyam's saying: "> apart from PJ and arun, no response yet from the community on this. > wow! so much for endlessly and passionately debating value-systems > around foss all these years in our mailing lists and ilug-meets and > events." That is exactly what Jim Grisanzio said as a reply to the thread I created today afternoon about opensolaris being not 100% open source and anybody interested in making it so, to do so, by helping out at the emancipation community group instead of criticising it..[2] I am striking an analogy here. I know you and Gora are two differeet people but if that attitude was shown towards Linux, then why not OpenSolaris. Not accusing anoyone, but isn't that being biased? Another example of the height of double-standards being expressed here. I quote Raj Mathur, again from the same linux-libre thread: "Some people (including me) are neutral to code that doesn't run on their primary processor. For instance, I'd complain if you gave me a non-free driver for my WiFi card, but I wouldn't if you gave me a free driver that downloads a binary blob to the card itself. The blob isn't running on my CPU, so I'm less antagonistic to it being non-free." Such repulsion towards the non-FOSS opensolaris having a few mb's of non-opensource bits already in the process of being opened up by the community and on the other hand, being neutral to 'code that doesn't run on your primary processor'. Whether or not the code runs on your processor is no criteria whatsoever of being FOSS or non-FOSS. The reason why device drivers for example are never made open is well elaboratively explained by Nalin in his reply to the linux-libre discussion [4]. And so it is evident that even Debian has non-FOSS drivers and the like as stated on this debian wiki page [5] and the up-to-date-status page here [6]. As is clear, as per FSF standards, even Debian is not FOSS. For that matter, Why is it ok to discuss Java here (the recent thread "Java - is it an albatross" [3]) ? I can quote many more such examples of such non-FOSS stuff being discussed on this list, but opensolaris being singled out, as such, if I take out the time. [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/msg21289.html [2] http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=64464&tstart=0 [3] http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org
Re: [ilugd] Belenix coming in July Issue of LFY
+++ Sudhanwa Jogalekar [21/06/08 15:43 +0530]: > >Ubuntu also has some proprietory components but nobody says it is >NON-FOSS and is promoted and accepted very well everywhere. Perhaps you did not completely understand what Raj said in the previous mail - all the Linux distros mentioned (Ubuntu, Fedora, etc.) out of the box are perfectly FOSS compliant. Any addition of proprietery drivers (often mentioned while spreading FUD about these distros, like the one a few mails back) is *always* done after the OS is up and running. The proprietary drivers are never necessary for the basic functioning of the OS. nvidia works with vesa, mp3 doesn't work as they should not, mplayer is not installed as it should not be, proprietery codecs are not installed as they should not be. Each of these are only installed once the user deliberately asks for them to be installed after the OS is installed, and with full knowledge about the compromise they would be doing in the process. All this said, I would admit that Opensolaris is on its way to be a FOSS distro. The community is working hard, they are also perhaps pushing Sun to move faster. At the end having another FOSS alternative is always a good thing. Free software definition has always been zealously defined and defended. Regardless of people either misunderstanding it or trying to dilute its definition intentionally, it is important to be alert and making sure there is no compromise. The Opensolaris community in India should not feel negative about the FOSS communities like ILUGD if their ultimate aim is the same as ours. They actually have our support in their endeavours. Don't get too upset about these discussions. We only ask that please be clear about the ultimate aim - Free software for every man/woman (Free not as in beer). People are naturally proud about their work, and they should be, but don't have any illusions about where you stand, and I mean to say this in a good way. - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya http://blog.sandipb.net ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Tutorial for Devanagari Documents in LyX (from FOSS-Nepal)
-- Forwarded message -- From: Prakash Manandhar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2008/6/21 Subject: [FOSS-Nepal] Tutorial for Devanagari Documents in LyX To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Suraj Adhikari (GMail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, I have written a tutorial for Devanagari Document creation in LyX at WikiHow. LyX/LaTeX is a word processing alternative that is completely open source and free. Summary: With the incorporation of XeLaTeX in all major distributions of LaTeX including MikTeX, it has become easy to incorporate Devanagari and other Unicode characters in LaTeX/LyX documents. Here we describe a point-wise summary to help you do just that. http://www.wikihow.com/Create-Devanagari-Documents-in-Lyx-Using-Xelatex - Please help me expand/test the how-to. Thanks, jaH. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ FOSS Nepal mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://groups.google.com/group/foss-nepal To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Community website: http://www.fossnepal.org/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- -- Frederick FN Noronha * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org * Phone +91-832-2409490 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Belenix coming in July Issue of LFY
On Saturday 21 Jun 2008, Angad Singh wrote: > [snip] > You did not tell me your views on this post: > http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=64465&tstart=0 > > Let me quote it here: "In my understanding the answer is no. Please > note that the Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, FreeBSD are not 100% FOSS > either. Richard Stallman currently uses an OLPC, also with a non-100% > FOSS operating system." Well, first of all I don't use any of those distributions, so am not the right person to decide. Secondly, the question here wasn't whether Ubuntu (or SuSE or whatever) is FOSS or not, it was about OSolaris. Slinging mud at others doesn't necessarily make you more clean yourself. Thirdly, bringing personalities into the discussion (RMS) is a completely FUD tactic, and anyway the last time I met RMS he was running Debian Hurd or something on his IBM laptop. Maybe he's got an OLPC since then, but either way it's immaterial to the discussion at hand. In any case, if we get back to my original point, about it being possible to install, boot and use an OS using only FOSS, the the distributions you have named above all fit the bill. OSolaris doesn't. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Belenix coming in July Issue of LFY
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 21 Jun 2008, Angad Singh wrote: >> Please follow up the discussion on the advocacy-cg to get a better >> answer (hope this is not against any rule): >> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=64464&tstart=0 >> >> Please take a note of this reply as well: >> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=64465&tstart=0 > > From those messages the one answer that comes out clearly is: > > "OpenSolaris is not FOSS" > > While I support the efforts of the various teams working to remove the > proprietary bits from the OS in principle, it is my personal opinion > that it's not a good idea to be promoting the OS in this forum. > > As for following up on a web-based forum, sorry, that's not my style. > > Opinions welcome (on OS, not on my style of using the 'net. :) I think it is unfair to declare Opensolaris as NON-FOSS. If you take similar case (and a long thread) of Linux (Kernel as such) having binary/hex code for some drivers, then Linux also becomes NON-FOSS. Please refer to http://www.opensolaris.org/learn.html . The first para says it is under CDDL which is a Open Source license. the last para gives a list of distros based on Opensolaris. If you check those websites, they again mention product/package under various FOSS license. Ubuntu also has some proprietory components but nobody says it is NON-FOSS and is promoted and accepted very well everywhere. I have nothing to say about how Opensolaris is and how it compares to other Linux distros. But it should be seen/discussed in the correct perspective if this list/forum is for FOSS and not just Linux. Regards -Sudhanwa -- !~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~ Have you tried the new "FREE" Marathi font "Aksharyogini" we have released? News!! Aksharyogini font is now included in Debian Indic fonts package!! Please get it from http://aksharyogini.sudhanwa.com ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~~ www.sudhanwa.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Belenix coming in July Issue of LFY
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 21 Jun 2008, Angad Singh wrote: >> Please follow up the discussion on the advocacy-cg to get a better >> answer (hope this is not against any rule): >> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=64464&tstart=0 >> >> Please take a note of this reply as well: >> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=64465&tstart=0 > > From those messages the one answer that comes out clearly is: > > "OpenSolaris is not FOSS" > > While I support the efforts of the various teams working to remove the > proprietary bits from the OS in principle, it is my personal opinion > that it's not a good idea to be promoting the OS in this forum. > > As for following up on a web-based forum, sorry, that's not my style. That alright. The jive forums over at opensolaris.org are bridged with mailing lists (the advocacy-discuss forum is a forum representation of it's corresponding mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] The list's mailman page is here: http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy-discuss. > > Opinions welcome (on OS, not on my style of using the 'net. :) > > Regards, > > -- Raju You did not tell me your views on this post: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=64465&tstart=0 Let me quote it here: "In my understanding the answer is no. Please note that the Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, FreeBSD are not 100% FOSS either. Richard Stallman currently uses an OLPC, also with a non-100% FOSS operating system." What are your comments on the above line? ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Belenix coming in July Issue of LFY
On Saturday 21 Jun 2008, Angad Singh wrote: > Please follow up the discussion on the advocacy-cg to get a better > answer (hope this is not against any rule): > http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=64464&tstart=0 > > Please take a note of this reply as well: > http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=64465&tstart=0 >From those messages the one answer that comes out clearly is: "OpenSolaris is not FOSS" While I support the efforts of the various teams working to remove the proprietary bits from the OS in principle, it is my personal opinion that it's not a good idea to be promoting the OS in this forum. As for following up on a web-based forum, sorry, that's not my style. Opinions welcome (on OS, not on my style of using the 'net. :) Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance & Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Belenix coming in July Issue of LFY
Please follow up the discussion on the advocacy-cg to get a better answer (hope this is not against any rule): http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=64464&tstart=0 Please take a note of this reply as well: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=64465&tstart=0 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
