[ilugd] [india-gii] MCA's dicatat on e-filing
Dear Members, To introduce my self, I am an advocate & member of ilug-delhi and of Supreme Court Bar. Now proceeding to the topic, the requirement in e-filing of proprietary solution (Digital Signature) issued by the CA issued by the Ministries require all the condemnation since it promotes specific vendors with proprietary solutions. In this regard, in Linux-Asia, during the presentation by the Director, (Technology Interface)to the President Mr V Ponraj, I suggested to introduce solution under open source. Further I even sent an email addressed to the Hon'ble President of India. However, till date, I have not received any reply. In this regard, an action can be taken by the entire linux-delhi group by way of filing PIL. However, this requires certain preliminary steps to be taken. Firstly, a letter(preferred) & email be sent to the Ministry of IT, Ministry of Commerce & Industries, Ministry of Finance by the secretary. Then after a lapse of reasonable time for action taking, PIL can be filed by the Linux-Delhi group. I suggest that this action needs to be taken considering these facts. I am prepared and ready to provide any assistance including legal in this regard. Please Feel free to revert for initiating positive action in this regard. Thanks Kamal Dave Advocate +919810027396 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [india-gii] MCA's dicatat on e-filing (Sudev Barar)
On 03/04/06, Kamal Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, I am new to discussion but like to know more. > Kamal it would be best for you to read up archieves for last week or so and you will be up to date. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] [india-gii] MCA's dicatat on e-filing (Sudev Barar)
Dear Members, Hi, I am new to discussion but like to know more. Thanks Kamal Dave Advocate ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [india-gii] MCA's dicatat on e-filing
On 4/2/06, Sudev Barar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > PS Did you see the full page advert Saturday? > Yes , and it stated it was made with the help of Tata Consultancy services. So who should be blamed govt or TCS, as TCS would be the most technically involved... -- "When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward" Linux User #348873 http://rockybhai.blogspot.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [india-gii] MCA's dicatat on e-filing
On 01/04/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [aggressive snip] > Since the feedback form on the site seems to be IE specific, > does anyone have a live email address where complaints > might be addressed in this matter ? > The web site does not provide this vital information. I will try to get the information week starting Monday. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux PS Did you see the full page advert Saturday? ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [india-gii] MCA's dicatat on e-filing
On 02/04/06, Mr tirveni yadav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Sudev Barar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Come on people do not hold back. Apathy from > > community is one reason > > that this is happening. Some including Raj and > > Devdas spoken their > > minds. We still need to do some thing. > > > > Of course as I, and some others have discovered, the > > MCA's site feed > > back form will only work with IE...version??? Now is > > firefox also to > > be abandoned? Here we have EU fining M$ for monopoly > > and GOI actually > > participating in creating monopoly?? > > > action plan to do something: > 1.use snail mail if necessary. > 2.arrange a meeting between minister of mca & > representatives of lug. > 3.create awareness about the issue outside the > community also. > 4.create signature campaign(or something of the kind) > with companies affected. > 5.file a PIL with supreme court. > Triveni, in parlance of ILUG-D you have been volunteered. You are nominated to take lead to active culmination of the steps outlined. Seriously: 1. Can ILUG-D provide a place to collate all information being generated on the issue? 2. Once arguments and counters and opinions by Gurus reaches a bt further we can then take steps above. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [india-gii] MCA's dicatat on e-filing
--- Sudev Barar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Come on people do not hold back. Apathy from > community is one reason > that this is happening. Some including Raj and > Devdas spoken their > minds. We still need to do some thing. > > Of course as I, and some others have discovered, the > MCA's site feed > back form will only work with IE...version??? Now is > firefox also to > be abandoned? Here we have EU fining M$ for monopoly > and GOI actually > participating in creating monopoly?? > action plan to do something: 1.use snail mail if necessary. 2.arrange a meeting between minister of mca & representatives of lug. 3.create awareness about the issue outside the community also. 4.create signature campaign(or something of the kind) with companies affected. 5.file a PIL with supreme court. tirveni yadav __ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [india-gii] MCA's dicatat on e-filing
On 31/03/06, Srini RamaKrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> That is why my first proposal to put MCA site on hall of shame for > >> promotng propritary formats and companies. > > > > I don't think it's anything to do with proprietary or standard formats. It > > was based on the most practical way of implementing a solution. > > Assuming that there was a Linux-only solution to the problem at hand > which was incredibly efficient, there is little doubt that TCS would > have bent over backwards to find a way to include the Windows world even > at the cost of foregoing a stellar technology solution. > > Of course that is not the case. > > At the heart of it all is the popular Americanism, "It's the money, stupid"! > > The project operates on BOOT (Build, Operate, Own and Transfer) principles. The underlying theme is not Linux only solution but a solution that works universally. EDI / Https.etc. ??? BOOT is okay but specification for BOOT are laid down by customer and system provider would have to follow them. Problem is that with $$ lobby working the Babudom is not even aware of what all is involved or alternates. There are ~70 companies (Public/Private) That come under this and assuming average of four directors per company (to compensate for cross directorships etc.) there are going to be ~300 directors. Do maths. > Stated very simply, the Windows solution was probably easier to > implement, cost competitive and not really a ground for disqualification. > > It is also true that the Linux world doesn't make the life of enterprise > sales teams easier. When you have a tenuous grasp of technology as most > sales teams do and narrow deadlines, it is easy enough to propose the > first pre-packaged solution available. > In appropriate analogy but...Would you buy 110v power plant on BOOT basis for India just because it is cheaper? Or single phase distribution sysem (Like USA's rural electrification)? You dont because the standards to be followed are in Indian context. Excise and customs use EDI to transact with shipping companies / exporters and banks. Banks use https world over. Then does it then make sense to use some special feature of Adobe to force every user on to Adobe Acrobat 7.02. Today that is free but what if sensing the opportunity Adobe starts pricing its reader @Rs1000? Windfall of 3,00,00,00,000 (That is 300 crore) I would not mind such small change in my pocket. Wake up you Adobe guys Indian Government-MCA has a gift for you!! > Overall, considering it's (my) tax money that's powering the government > I am happy if they've managed to create an efficient solution at the > lowest cost. > A lower cost solution to them but to me as tax payer and ultimately consumer of that service (and payer of fee for the same) it seems ridiculous. You are welcome to differ. Come on people do not hold back. Apathy from community is one reason that this is happening. Some including Raj and Devdas spoken their minds. We still need to do some thing. Of course as I, and some others have discovered, the MCA's site feed back form will only work with IE...version??? Now is firefox also to be abandoned? Here we have EU fining M$ for monopoly and GOI actually participating in creating monopoly?? Thanks Sharath for putting one fear of private key loss at rest. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [india-gii] MCA's dicatat on e-filing
On 31/03/06, Sharath Jeppu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had responded against your mention of Windows 98 in your email. Adobe > Acrobat 7.0 is not available for Windows 98. > As for Linux, Adobe only has Adobe Reader 7.0. The current PDF forms require > Adobe Reader 7.0.5 or higher. So you are still stuck. > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/acrrsystemreqs.html > Okay so we wait till Linux reaches 7.0 whatever...Deadline by department is still June 30th :-P > Even if you do ultimately get a version 7.0.5 or higher later, you will only > be able to fill and sign the form offline. But to submit it, you will > require IE and hence Windows. (Am not sure why but I think the portal > probably uses a few ActiveX components when you do a form submit. It does > not even work in Firefox/windows) That is why my first proposal to put MCA site on hall of shame for promotng propritary formats and companies. > > And how do you sign the certifcate? As you mention by use of private > > key. Would you upload your private key on a unknown computer at > > facilitation centre to digitally sign? You might as well gift all your > > property to me right now. My understanding is to get private key > > signed you need Windblows > I thought I did mention about a "Secure crypto token" option. This is > basically a microprocessor based smartcard in a USB dongle format. You don't > need to upload the private key. The signing operation happens within the > crypto token instead of the computer memory. > > http://www.icma.com/info/understandingpki.htm > > The Digital certificate is required to be issued by a Licensed CA after > identity validation. You don't sign the certificate. The certificate is > signed by the CA to attest the information against your public key. You sign > the PDF form using your certificate along with your private key. > > Hope this clarifies a few more things :-) May be some other Guru's can clarify or argue about this. AFAIK some where or other you will have to give a password or private key to identify yourself and if this is stolen your identity is stolen. Atleast debate opens up and I learn a few ore things. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [india-gii] MCA's dicatat on e-filing
On 31/03/06, Sharath Jeppu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/30/06, Sudev Barar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > For e-filing why is the user restricted to using windows XP / 2000? I > > have perfectly good Windows 98 system running for business why I have > > to invest in new software? > > > The reason for that I understand is the version of Adobe Reader. The PDF > based forms use a new underlying architecture which requires Adobe Reader > 7.0.5 or higher. Adobe reader 7 is available only on Windows 2000 (SP2-SP4), > Windows XP, and Windows 2003 Server. > Bunkum. I am using Ubuntu5.10 with Adobe Acrobat Reader 7.0 Thank you. > > If DIN has to be used at facilitation centre then what is the > > guarantee that spyware / keyloggers will not record my e-signatures? > > Government should only follow document standards that are clear and > > open. > > > > The DIN is just a Director Identification Number. It is not directly > connected to the Digital Certificate/ Digital Signature of the Director. > Digital signatures are created using a digital certificate which in turn use > a "private key" to actually sign the doument. It is not necessary to do all > these at the facilitation center. You could also do this from your office or > home. In anycase, if you are carrying your certificate in a secure crypto > token that most CAs bundle these days, you should be fine from a scurity > point of view. > > And how do you sign the certifcate? As you mention by use of private key. Would you upload your private key on a unknown computer at facilitation centre to digitally sign? You might as well gift all your property to me right now. My understanding is to get private key signed you need Windblows > Hope this helps. > How does this help? (Sorry could notresist that one ;-) -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
