Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
Amit Sharma amit_...@... writes: Lets See! One more thing to check is that in console mode and in cron mode the file transferred across is in bin mode. In the script, for the EOT here-doc stick in bin in before you put the file. In console mode use type to check the status (or just type bin anyway). ascii and bin *should* both take up the same space, but maybe there is a compressed file system on the server which coupled with ascii vs bin is causing the discrepancy. PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
On 12/02/2009 10:01 AM, Amit Sharma amit_...@yahoo.com wrote: Any pointers? If a script runs from the console but not from cron, 99% of the time it's one of these two things - 1. The user which executes the cron script is not the same But the scripts runs for say 18Gb and then gives the 'not enough disk space error' Do any of your partitions have ~18GB as free space? Do a `df -h` and see Regards Vivek Kapoor http://exain.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
Any pointers? If a script runs from the console but not from cron, 99% of the time it's one of these two things - 1. The user which executes the cron script is not the same But the scripts runs for say 18Gb and then gives the 'not enough disk space error' Do any of your partitions have ~18GB as free space? Do a `df -h` and see Yes. Many Partitions have 18GB or more free space. I would like to emphasise on the point again . Same Script is able to successfully transfer (FTP) 40GB data when run as user root in command prompt. When same script is scheduled in cron for 2345 hrs (weekly), script runs and transfer say 18GB of data and terminates with error 426 Connection closed; Not Enough Disk Space. Aborting.. Hope this clarifies the issue. regards, Amit The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
On 12/02/2009 06:06 PM, Amit Sharma amit_...@yahoo.com wrote: Any pointers? If a script runs from the console but not from cron, 99% of the time it's one of these two things - 1. The user which executes the cron script is not the same But the scripts runs for say 18Gb and then gives the 'not enough disk space error' Do any of your partitions have ~18GB as free space? Do a `df -h` and see Yes. Many Partitions have 18GB or more free space. I asked the question to ascertain if there's a particular partition, say /tmp which has around 18GB of disk space and the file is temporarily transferred there. Since the disk space is limited to ~18GB, the file being transferred there temporarily isn't copied completely, and instantly gives the error and halts. Just a guess. You may want to check the disk sizes while the upload is in progress. I would like to emphasise on the point again . Same Script is able to successfully transfer (FTP) 40GB data when run as user root in command prompt. When same script is scheduled in cron for 2345 hrs (weekly), script runs and transfer say 18GB of data and terminates with error 426 Connection closed; Not Enough Disk Space. Aborting.. How do you know that it gives the error 426 connection closed? Do you check the cron logs or get an email from cron? Are you logging the error somewhere? What does your cron line show - if you can share that (you may hide the script name). Also, about the 2345 Hrs weekly part - I'm sure you would have tested it at other times also. Can you check, thru cron, at some other time than 2345 Hrs, to upload the file, and simultaneously monitor the local and remote server about which file systems are being filled up. That can give some indication about what next to check. This would work if you have shell access to both the servers. For e.g. /tmp is getting filled up and then it is transferring to say /data/filename.tar.gz I understand the script being run manually works, but not thru cron. Maybe thru cron the $PATH is not available and the desired binaries are not usable. You may be using expect scripts, or php/python to do the ftp and their paths are incorrect (as an example your version of php is installed in /usr/local/bin/php, and the system is taking /usr/bin/php). Last, the yahoo account that you're using somehow mangles the e-mails, and becomes difficult quoting it. Maybe you can shift to plain text while replying to the e-mail, would help. Regards Vivek Kapoor http://exain.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
Amit Sharma amit_...@... writes: Same Script is able to successfully transfer (FTP) 40GB data when run as user root in command prompt. When same script is scheduled in cron for 2345 hrs (weekly), script runs and transfer say 18GB of data and terminates with error 426 Connection closed; Not Enough Disk Space. Aborting.. Sounds like you're getting spanked on the ass by the reserved space option of your filesystem (see -m option in mkfs.ext2) Check the free space fraction left over. Root has privileges to use the last 5% of free space, non-root users don't. PJ (ilugd dot to dot peejay at spamgourmet dot com) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
I asked the question to ascertain if there's a particular partition, say /tmp which has around 18GB of disk space and the file is temporarily transferred there. Since the disk space is limited to ~18GB, the file being transferred there temporarily isn't copied completely, and instantly gives the error and halts. Just a guess. You may want to check the disk sizes while the upload is in progress. I would like to emphasise on the point again . Same Script is able to successfully transfer (FTP) 40GB data when run as user root in command prompt. When same script is scheduled in cron for 2345 hrs (weekly), script runs and transfer say 18GB of data and terminates with error 426 Connection closed; Not Enough Disk Space. Aborting.. How do you know that it gives the error 426 connection closed? Cron Daemon sends email to root (part of email is given below) 426 Connection closed; Not Enough Disk Space. Aborting.. When i run the script manually, here is the email text: 226 File received ok. Do you check the cron logs or get an email from cron? Are you logging the error somewhere? What does your cron line show - if you can share that (you may hide the script name). Here is the script: --- #!/bin/bash #Daily Backup Script for backing up /home/bkup echo Time backup started = $(date +%T) before=$(date +%s) datestamp=$(date) tempdate=$(date +%F) HOST='192.168.1.20' USER='abc' PASSWD='def' ftp -n -v $HOST EOT user $USER $PASSWD delete /bkup/Linux_folder_backup.tar.gz put /bkup/Linux_folder_backup.tar.gz bye EOT sleep 12 # # Calculates and outputs total time take after=$(date +%s) elapsed=$(expr $after - $before) hours=$(($elapsed / 3600)) elapsed=$(($elapsed - $hours * 3600)) minutes=$(($elapsed / 60)) seconds=$(($elapsed - $minutes * 60)) echo Weekly FTP Upload - $datestamp - Time Taken $hours hours $minutes minutes $seconds seconds /root/ftpupload.log echo - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - /root/ftpupload.log cat /root/ftpupload.log | mail -s Weekly_FTP_upload_$tempdate amit_...@yahoo.com -- Also, about the 2345 Hrs weekly part - I'm sure you would have tested it at other times also. Can you check, thru cron, at some other time than 2345 Hrs, to upload the file, and simultaneously monitor the local and remote server about which file systems are being filled up. That can give some indication about what next to check. This would work if you have shell access to both the servers. For e.g. /tmp is getting filled up and then it is transferring to say /data/filename.tar.gz Here is : vi /var/spool/cron/root 45 23 * * 6 /scripts/FTPuploadWeekly I understand the script being run manually works, but not thru cron. Maybe thru cron the $PATH is not available and the desired binaries are not usable. You may be using expect scripts, or php/python to do the ftp and their paths are incorrect (as an example your version of php is installed in /usr/local/bin/php, and the system is taking /usr/bin/php). Last, the yahoo account that you're using somehow mangles the e-mails, and becomes difficult quoting it. Maybe you can shift to plain text while replying to the e-mail, would help. Hope this one is better! The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
On Wednesday 02 Dec 2009, Amit Sharma wrote: Same Script is able to successfully transfer (FTP) 40GB data when run as user root in command prompt. When same script is scheduled in cron for 2345 hrs (weekly), script runs and transfer say 18GB of data and terminates with error 426 Connection closed; Not Enough Disk Space. Aborting.. Hope this clarifies the issue. Not really, the error message is clear enough saying the fs is out of space :(. Perhaps there is some other job (on the ftp server) that comes by and cleans up the fs and when you try it manually, voila there is enough space and your file transfer succeeds! I suggest that you discuss the issue with the sys admin of the ftp server that your connecting to (seriously) before banging your head on your script :D I also suggest that you disable your cron for one week and run the script manually @ 23:45 hours on the day that is programmed in your cron settings and see if you get fs full error. -- Arun Khan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
426 Connection closed; Not Enough Disk Space. Aborting.. Hope this clarifies the issue. Not really, the error message is clear enough saying the fs is out of space :(. Perhaps there is some other job (on the ftp server) that comes by and cleans up the fs and when you try it manually, voila there is enough space and your file transfer succeeds! I suggest that you discuss the issue with the sys admin of the ftp server that your connecting to (seriously) before banging your head on your script :D I also suggest that you disable your cron for one week and run the script manually @ 23:45 hours on the day that is programmed in your cron settings and see if you get fs full error. Could be one of the possibilities, yesterday I have changed the time from 2345 to 1345. Lets See! -- amit The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
On 12/01/2009 11:18 AM, Amit Sharma wrote: Hi, Some questions... a) Is the destination directory the same as when you run it from terminal yes, script is the same b) How frequently does the cron script run? Once a week c) Is the destination actually running out of space? No, if I run the script as is from commabd prompt, it just runs d) Are you just adding files or overwriting them? First deleting the file, then copying it e) Is the cron job being run as the same user from commandline? yes it is from root on both , actually from cron it copies says 18GB and then gives disk full error. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Since most of the pointers are going towards the permissions but all in vain. Can u please pass on the script to the list so that people can try out. -- Saurabh Sharma Linux user number: 490644 http://sawrub-blog.blogspot.com/ Open your doors...It's time to look beyond Windows ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
Any pointers? If a script runs from the console but not from cron, 99% of the time it's one of these two things - 1. The user which executes the cron script is not the same But the scripts runs for say 18Gb and then gives the 'not enough disk space error' 2. The script depends on something in .bashrc (and .bashrc is NOT executed automatically before running cron scripts). same answer as above. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Sawrub luckysharm...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/01/2009 11:18 AM, Amit Sharma wrote: Hi, Some questions... a) Is the destination directory the same as when you run it from terminal yes, script is the same b) How frequently does the cron script run? Once a week c) Is the destination actually running out of space? No, if I run the script as is from commabd prompt, it just runs d) Are you just adding files or overwriting them? First deleting the file, then copying it e) Is the cron job being run as the same user from commandline? yes it is from root on both , actually from cron it copies says 18GB and then gives disk full error. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Since most of the pointers are going towards the permissions but all in vain. Can u please pass on the script to the list so that people can try out. -- Saurabh Sharma Linux user number: 490644 http://sawrub-blog.blogspot.com/ Open your doors...It's time to look beyond Windows Seems that you don't want to share the script, then please check the paths defined in the script. The relative paths used in can also be the cause of the issue. -- Saurabh Sharma Linux user number: 490644 http://sawrub-blog.blogspot.com/ Open your doors...It's time to look beyond Windows ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
Since most of the pointers are going towards the permissions but all in vain. Can u please pass on the script to the list so that people can try out. -- Saurabh Sharma Linux user number: 490644 http://sawrub-blog.blogspot.com/ Open your doors...It's time to look beyond Windows Seems that you don't want to share the script, then please check the paths defined in the script. The relative paths used in can also be the cause of the issue. Don't mind sharing script. Question is that same script acts differently when tun in console and through cron? Just to cross check I have changed time in CRON and right now the script seems to be working fine. 34 of 38G has been copied till now. Earlier I was running the script at 11:45 PM in cron. Timing Problem!!?? regards- amit The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
Can you emphasize the term script, i mean what did you do exactly? regards rakesh On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Amit Sharma amit_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi I have facing a strange problem while uploading data file using FTP in cron. I have made a script to upload 40GB approx tar.gz file to a FTP location. When I run the script in console, it works fine and uploads the file without any issue. When I schedule it in cron and make it run automatically, FTP upload fails with error : 426 Connection closed; Not Enough Disk Space. Aborting.. But when I run the script again in command prompt, the data gets uploaded without any issue. Any pointers? regards, amit The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
On Monday 30 Nov 2009, Amit Sharma wrote: Any pointers? Are you logging in to the FTP server using the same userid/passwd in both cases? -- Arun Khan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
On 11/30/2009 11:28 PM, Arun Khan wrote: On Monday 30 Nov 2009, Amit Sharma wrote: Any pointers? Are you logging in to the FTP server using the same userid/passwd in both cases? +1 for Arun, the issue is most probably with the user who is firing the script. -- Saurabh Sharma Linux user number: 490644 http://sawrub-blog.blogspot.com/ Open your doors...It's time to look beyond Windows ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Amit Sharma writes: Hi I have facing a strange problem while uploading data file using FTP in cron. I have made a script to upload 40GB approx tar.gz file to a FTP location. When I run the script in console, it works fine and uploads the file without any issue. When I schedule it in cron and make it run automatically, FTP upload fails with error : 426 Connection closed; Not Enough Disk Space. Aborting.. Are you sure the FTP user accounts being used for uploading the file in both cases are same ? Also you can try enabling verbose login on your FTP client and see where/how it is trying to upload ? and also verify the presence of file at the desired location on FTP server when the cron job to make sure file is being uploaded at right place. HTH - -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin, Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin Franklin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAksUNqgACgkQHy+EEHYuXnQEdQCgg6/toh+86ZuRqUgxw+lZDB5r krMAniGTBR6pQ2s+HZm17huV4+IDP3v6 =ofsw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
[snip] When I schedule it in cron and make it run automatically, FTP upload fails with error : 426 Connection closed; Not Enough Disk Space. Aborting.. Are you sure the FTP user accounts being used for uploading the file in both cases are same ? Also you can try enabling verbose login on your FTP client and see where/how it is trying to upload ? and also verify the presence of file at the desired location on FTP server when the cron job to make sure file is being uploaded at right place. [snip] Script is the same, if i run it as root in command prompt it works file, the same script when I schedule through cron it shows error after uploading say 18GB data. Hence authentication works fine, location is correct etc. Why is it that it works fine from command prompt and breaks in between with error when I run the *same* script through cron. -- amit The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
--- On Tue, 1/12/09, Amit Sharma amit_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Amit Sharma amit_...@yahoo.com When I schedule it in cron and make it run automatically, FTP upload fails with error : Why is it that it works fine from command prompt and breaks in between with error when I run the *same* script through cron. Hi, Some questions... a) Is the destination directory the same as when you run it from terminal b) How frequently does the cron script run? c) Is the destination actually running out of space? d) Are you just adding files or overwriting them? e) Is the cron job being run as the same user from commandline? With Warm Regards, Shivkumar linux user no: 450769 blog: outbackwifi.blogspot.com profile: www.linkedin.com/in/shivjags The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
Hi, Some questions... a) Is the destination directory the same as when you run it from terminal yes, script is the same b) How frequently does the cron script run? Once a week c) Is the destination actually running out of space? No, if I run the script as is from commabd prompt, it just runs d) Are you just adding files or overwriting them? First deleting the file, then copying it e) Is the cron job being run as the same user from commandline? yes it is from root on both , actually from cron it copies says 18GB and then gives disk full error. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Amit Sharma amit_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi I have facing a strange problem while uploading data file using FTP in cron. I have made a script to upload 40GB approx tar.gz file to a FTP location. When I run the script in console, it works fine and uploads the file without any issue. When I schedule it in cron and make it run automatically, FTP upload fails with error : 426 Connection closed; Not Enough Disk Space. Aborting.. But when I run the script again in command prompt, the data gets uploaded without any issue. Any pointers? If a script runs from the console but not from cron, 99% of the time it's one of these two things - 1. The user which executes the cron script is not the same 2. The script depends on something in .bashrc (and .bashrc is NOT executed automatically before running cron scripts). -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] FTP error while running script in cron
Hi I have facing a strange problem while uploading data file using FTP in cron. I have made a script to upload 40GB approx tar.gz file to a FTP location. When I run the script in console, it works fine and uploads the file without any issue. When I schedule it in cron and make it run automatically, FTP upload fails with error : 426 Connection closed; Not Enough Disk Space. Aborting.. But when I run the script again in command prompt, the data gets uploaded without any issue. Any pointers? regards, amit The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
