Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
On 12-Feb-07, at 1:24 PM, Baishampayan Ghose wrote: which free software license is gmail released under? FYI, GMail is not a software but a web-service. The concept of Free Software doesn't extend to web-services yet because the Internet was in its infancy in 1991 or so. it is now 2007. Does it make any difference whether a software is running on your machine or on a remote server? You are using the software - obviously there is some sort of license or eula for using even gmail? For example, using wikipedia, as far as i know, the code is available for download. Does this make a difference? And all those google addons to the browser, how about them? are they free or proprietary or web-services? This is not a flame-bait, I only started thinking about this when the OP said that gmail is 'free'. It's still debatable whether Google is violating the GPL or not since the GPL permits users to make private modifications and since Google is not distributing the source code of GMail, it is deemed as a private modification. i didnt get into the argument of whether google is violating gpl. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
so its ok to use non-free software as long as it doesnt pollute your hard drive? I personally think it is alright. After all if I think it is free enough for me, it is free. Otherwise we would not have such a wide variety of free software licenses. which free software license is gmail released under? I never said GMail is released under a free software license. AFAIK GMail was never distributed as a package, it is just a web service. I said, since I do not need to install GMail on my machine I am not bothered. It satisfies my Free Software Guidelines, in the same way it does not satisfy yours. Firefox is deemed non-free by Debian, while FSF thinks it is ok. The BSD allows something while the GPL does not. Make your own choice. Regards, Debarshi -- After the game the king and the pawn go into the same box. -- Italian proverb ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
On 10-Feb-07, at 10:40 PM, Debarshi Ray wrote: does your cellphone run on free software? My cellphone does not have an email client. So it is like asking whether your fridge runs on Free Software. fridges running on linux are not available - so the matter is moot. But cellphones running on linux *are* available so you have the choice to be a slave or free -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
On 11-Feb-07, at 2:37 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote: Since I am not installing GMail on my hard drive and running an instance on my machine, I am not bothered too much. :-) so its ok to use non-free software as long as it doesnt pollute your hard drive? Is this the official FSF position? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 11 February 2007 03:07 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves cobbled together some glyphs to say: KG, Since I am not installing GMail on my hard drive and running an instance on my machine, I am not bothered too much. :-) so its ok to use non-free software as long as it doesnt pollute your hard drive? Is this the official FSF position? How is your comment relevant here? Why do you bother if this is the _official_ FSF statement or not? The Free Software philosophy existed before any useful Free Software did, and it will remain relevant as long as non-free software exists. It doesn't take an official statement from the FSF to understand a concept as basic as protecting your Freedom. But then, there are some people who will never learn ... Regards, BG - -- Baishampayan Ghose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ubuntu -- Linux for Human Beings http://www.ubuntu.com/ 1024D/86361B74 BB2C E244 15AD 05C5 523A 90E7 4249 3494 8636 1B74 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFzyx0Qkk0lIY2G3QRArTxAJ4izsEAkiQ/Ixt13EP0TTFtXROx7ACfSpPv uJnDvYPSJrjDMrjkLJ1qbhU= =fhrC -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
On 11-Feb-07, at 8:17 PM, Baishampayan Ghose wrote: so its ok to use non-free software as long as it doesnt pollute your hard drive? Is this the official FSF position? How is your comment relevant here? Why do you bother if this is the _official_ FSF statement or not? because I am interested in knowing - maybe some new fatwa had come of which I was not aware -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
Since I am not installing GMail on my hard drive and running an instance on my machine, I am not bothered too much. :-) so its ok to use non-free software as long as it doesnt pollute your hard drive? I personally think it is alright. After all if I think it is free enough for me, it is free. Otherwise we would not have such a wide variety of free software licenses. Is this the official FSF position? Ask the FSF. Regards, Debarshi -- After the game the king and the pawn go into the same box. -- Italian proverb ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
-- does your cellphone run on free software? My cellphone does not have an email client. So it is like asking whether your fridge runs on Free Software. fridges running on linux are not available - so the matter is moot. Is Linux the only Free Software program out there? But cellphones running on linux *are* available so you have the choice to be a slave or free What if I used an old fashioned, black, round dial phone instead of a cell phone? What if my cellphone is made up of hardwired elements and no software? One might argue that most cellphones are embedded systems (whether or not it is even possible to alter the software on a daily basis), but so are most fridges these days. Regards, Debarshi -- After the game the king and the pawn go into the same box. -- Italian proverb ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
On 12-Feb-07, at 2:01 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote: so its ok to use non-free software as long as it doesnt pollute your hard drive? I personally think it is alright. After all if I think it is free enough for me, it is free. Otherwise we would not have such a wide variety of free software licenses. which free software license is gmail released under? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
On 2/12/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: which free software license is gmail released under? It is free as in free beer Regards Sriram ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 12 February 2007 04:13 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves cobbled together some glyphs to say: On 12-Feb-07, at 2:01 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote: so its ok to use non-free software as long as it doesnt pollute your hard drive? I personally think it is alright. After all if I think it is free enough for me, it is free. Otherwise we would not have such a wide variety of free software licenses. which free software license is gmail released under? FYI, GMail is not a software but a web-service. The concept of Free Software doesn't extend to web-services yet because the Internet was in its infancy in 1991 or so. It's still debatable whether Google is violating the GPL or not since the GPL permits users to make private modifications and since Google is not distributing the source code of GMail, it is deemed as a private modification. So I don't think your argument stands here. Regards, BG - -- Baishampayan Ghose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ubuntu -- Linux for Human Beings http://www.ubuntu.com/ 1024D/86361B74 BB2C E244 15AD 05C5 523A 90E7 4249 3494 8636 1B74 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF0B0wQkk0lIY2G3QRAjTAAKCo7dQyio/Wt7YqYeYTZ+qKPvuTHACfZLXu cU4rmmONwGprWMm3AMeKHTM= =+vOh -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
Sorry for top-posting here as my blackberry mail client doesn't allow to bottom-post. Is this e-mail client Free Software? does your cellphone run on free software? My cellphone does not have an email client. So it is like asking whether your fridge runs on Free Software. Regards, Debarshi -- After the game the king and the pawn go into the same box. -- Italian proverb ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
Is this e-mail client Free Software? does your cellphone run on free software? My cellphone does not have an email client. So it is like asking whether your fridge runs on Free Software. But you use GMail, which most definitely isn't Free Software :) Point is; there are still plenty of areas in life where we simply can't use free software either because it isn't good enough or because there is none at all. Let's get to work! -- Anant ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
My cellphone does not have an email client. So it is like asking whether your fridge runs on Free Software. But you use GMail, which most definitely isn't Free Software :) Point is; there are still plenty of areas in life where we simply can't use free software either because it isn't good enough or because there is none at all. Let's get to work! You misunderstood. The original poster had cited Blackberry's email client as the reason for top-posting. One can simply use some other client, preferably free software, where it would not be so. Since I am not installing GMail on my hard drive and running an instance on my machine, I am not bothered too much. :-) Regards, Debarshi -- After the game the king and the pawn go into the same box. -- Italian proverb ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
On 09-Feb-07, at 5:07 AM, Surjo Das wrote: Sorry for top-posting here as my blackberry mail client doesn't allow to bottom-post. not a valid excuse -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 09-Feb-07, at 5:07 AM, Surjo Das wrote: Sorry for top-posting here as my blackberry mail client doesn't allow to bottom-post. not a valid excuse Blithely ignore that :) Surjo has been doing this on the BLUG list (perhaps to push the search results for blackberry mail client upwards) for ages now - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFzEHjXQZpNTcrCzMRAsGdAJ98IWu9NSgVY6Ddz/G68k7CVxoBBgCgio5i SWValAUAZkpG9hTvrdtvhYE= =Wzmn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
On 09-Feb-07, at 3:11 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: Sorry for top-posting here as my blackberry mail client doesn't allow to bottom-post. not a valid excuse Blithely ignore that :) Surjo has been doing this on the BLUG list (perhaps to push the search results for blackberry mail client upwards) for ages now then that makes it worse - blatant and knowing disregard of etiquette. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
Sorry for top-posting here as my blackberry mail client doesn't allow to bottom-post. Is this e-mail client Free Software? Regards, Debarshi -- After the game the king and the pawn go into the same box. -- Italian proverb ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
On 10-Feb-07, at 1:19 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote: Sorry for top-posting here as my blackberry mail client doesn't allow to bottom-post. Is this e-mail client Free Software? does your cellphone run on free software? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] M$ can be sued
Hi! Found his interesting posting on fsf-frinds mailing list http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2007-February/004604.html SHows how M$ can be sued under IT act. regards VK Engineers normally have problem with every solution. If not they have a solution in search of a problem. http://creative.linux-delhi.org Disclaimer The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
Sorry for top-posting here as my blackberry mail client doesn't allow to bottom-post. Now coming to the point. Why is it that LUGs cannot think beyond Microsoft. Why are we so MS obsessed ? Instead let us concentrate on what FOSS has to offer. Regards, Surjo. Sent from my Airtel Blackberry View my online journal at http://surjodas.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: vivek khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:46:16 To:Delhi Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ilugd] M$ can be sued Hi! Found his interesting posting on fsf-frinds mailing list http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2007-February/004604.html SHows how M$ can be sued under IT act. regards VK Engineers normally have problem with every solution. If not they have a solution in search of a problem. http://creative.linux-delhi.org Disclaimer The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] M$ can be sued
--- Surjo Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for top-posting here as my blackberry mail client doesn't allow to bottom-post. Now coming to the point. Why is it that LUGs cannot think beyond Microsoft. Why are we so MS obsessed ? Instead let us concentrate on what FOSS has to offer. M$ seems to be the flavor of the season. I tried introducing Apple yesterday but no luck. ;-) Yes there are several issues but appears this list is obsessed only with M$. At last M$ participation has done one good thing to community, this mailing list is alive again. Sent from my Airtel Blackberry Sent from Firefox web browser, for details please visit www.msfirefox.com regards VK Engineers normally have problem with every solution. If not they have a solution in search of a problem. http://creative.linux-delhi.org Disclaimer The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
