Re: [ilugd] Ruby on Rails Hosts
Kazim Zaidi wrote: Myopic knowledge? I would like to know more about that opinion. most of the people doing things within RoR ideology dont really know much about things out there. whats worse is that some of them - lots of them - seem to be applying j2ee sort of methodologies. Look at it - you need 5 layers of apps ( not including the actual web server ) in order to get your app doing moderately decent load. IF you have done any enterprise development, that will ring some bells! In particular, what kind of reinvention? IMHO, Rails eases up the job by preferring convention over configuration. If you are so new to the process that you dont see the role replication, it wont matter anyway :D Thats correct. RoR differs from other frameworks a lot. But that can be rephrased otherwise too. the only thing that RoR has going for it right now is ActiveRecord. Beyond that its slow, wasteful and pedestrian. /opinion -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Ruby on Rails Hosts
On 08-Jan-08, at 6:27 PM, Karanbir Singh wrote: Myopic knowledge? I would like to know more about that opinion. most of the people doing things within RoR ideology dont really know much about things out there. whats worse is that some of them - lots of them - seem to be applying j2ee sort of methodologies. not surprising when you see that a lot of them are refugees from java -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Ruby on Rails Hosts
On 07/01/2008, Karanbir Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kazim Zaidi wrote: The question still remains unanswered. Has anybody a successful experience of deploying a RoR website. yes If so, what server you used? And the hosting? the largest RoR setup I have been involved in is spread over 10 machines in a rack hosted at Verio. All the machines are running CentOS-5/ruby-1.8.5. There are about 60 Mongrel process's that run all the time, spread over 5 machines, there is a multimaster mysql behind that, and there is hot failover for pretty much everything. This app does about a million hits per day +/- 10% For the smallest RoR deployment, its a small VM at slicehost. Does that answer some of your questions ? Good to know that. or is RoR development not feasible yet? well, lots of people are using it out there. I dont think there is really much of a question in it. RoR is very much usable. However, the people who are doing RoR development are mostly people with extreme cases of myopic knowledge and are re-inventing everything, in some cases really messing up things. Myopic knowledge? I would like to know more about that opinion. In particular, what kind of reinvention? IMHO, Rails eases up the job by preferring convention over configuration. So if you do decide to go down that route, you will need to learn and relearn a lot of stuff, most of which is of no use outside the RoR process. /opinion Thats correct. RoR differs from other frameworks a lot. But that can be rephrased otherwise too. -- - Kazim Zaidi Blog: http://tuxplayground.blogspot.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Ruby on Rails Hosts
On 06/01/2008, Saleem Ansari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] +1 for mod_perl ( with Catalyst, Mason, Embperl etc. ) Although RoR is excellent for RAD, it is not yet ready for deployment of large projects. Moreover hosting/managing is also a headache. I believe, we'd have to wait some more time for Ruby2 to be ready ( with greater speed ) and hosting to mature ( eliminating hassles of deployment ). Thanks for great suggestions. The question still remains unanswered. Has anybody a successful experience of deploying a RoR website. If so, what server you used? And the hosting? or is RoR development not feasible yet? -- - Kazim Zaidi Blog: http://tuxplayground.blogspot.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Ruby on Rails Hosts
Kazim Zaidi wrote: The question still remains unanswered. Has anybody a successful experience of deploying a RoR website. yes If so, what server you used? And the hosting? the largest RoR setup I have been involved in is spread over 10 machines in a rack hosted at Verio. All the machines are running CentOS-5/ruby-1.8.5. There are about 60 Mongrel process's that run all the time, spread over 5 machines, there is a multimaster mysql behind that, and there is hot failover for pretty much everything. This app does about a million hits per day +/- 10% For the smallest RoR deployment, its a small VM at slicehost. Does that answer some of your questions ? or is RoR development not feasible yet? well, lots of people are using it out there. I dont think there is really much of a question in it. RoR is very much usable. However, the people who are doing RoR development are mostly people with extreme cases of myopic knowledge and are re-inventing everything, in some cases really messing up things. So if you do decide to go down that route, you will need to learn and relearn a lot of stuff, most of which is of no use outside the RoR process. /opinion -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Ruby on Rails Hosts
On Jan 6, 2008 6:26 PM, Kazim Zaidi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06/01/2008, Saleem Ansari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] +1 for mod_perl ( with Catalyst, Mason, Embperl etc. ) Although RoR is excellent for RAD, it is not yet ready for deployment of large projects. Moreover hosting/managing is also a headache. I believe, we'd have to wait some more time for Ruby2 to be ready ( with greater speed ) and hosting to mature ( eliminating hassles of deployment ). Thanks for great suggestions. The question still remains unanswered. Has anybody a successful experience of deploying a RoR website. If so, what server you used? And the hosting? or is RoR development not feasible yet? Well, I recently deployed a few small apps on Dreamhost shared hosting and it has worked out pretty well for me.. Though as the apps grow I know I would have to move to a more scalable setup. -- -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Ruby on Rails Hosts
The question still remains unanswered. Has anybody a successful experience of deploying a RoR website. If so, what server you used? And the hosting? or is RoR development not feasible yet? I have worked on a couple of RoR projects for some clients. But I never managed the server myself. One of my client used Textdrive for hosting which is now Joyent http://joyent.com/. At that time they were using FreeBSD but recently I have seen on their website that they have switched to Open-Solaris. For other RoR hosting providers you can have a look at the wiki http://wiki.rubyonrails.com/rails/pages/RailsWebHosts page on rubyonrails.org. As far as feasibility is concerned it depends upon the size and complexity of project. Using rails for small to medium scale projects is of not much concern. I haven't worked on any large scale project yet so its difficult for me comment on it. On Jan 7, 2008 11:08 AM, Anupam Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2008 6:26 PM, Kazim Zaidi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06/01/2008, Saleem Ansari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] +1 for mod_perl ( with Catalyst, Mason, Embperl etc. ) Although RoR is excellent for RAD, it is not yet ready for deployment of large projects. Moreover hosting/managing is also a headache. I believe, we'd have to wait some more time for Ruby2 to be ready ( with greater speed ) and hosting to mature ( eliminating hassles of deployment ). Thanks for great suggestions. The question still remains unanswered. Has anybody a successful experience of deploying a RoR website. If so, what server you used? And the hosting? or is RoR development not feasible yet? Well, I recently deployed a few small apps on Dreamhost shared hosting and it has worked out pretty well for me.. Though as the apps grow I know I would have to move to a more scalable setup. -- -- Anupam ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Ruby on Rails Hosts
Hello, Do we've RoR developers on list? I want to know about web hosts that provide RoR hosting services. I've found some hosts but I heard they grow slow quickly. Given that RoR is such a productive framework, yet many times slower than php frameworks, is it a good choice for web development? I started with PHP and MVC for my web application development, and ended up with a lot of Rails-like organization. More on http://tuxplayground.blogspot.com/2008/01/these-holidays-i-was-busy-developing.html So, for my next web application, I find RoR very much suitable. Your views? -- - Kazim Zaidi Blog: http://tuxplayground.blogspot.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Ruby on Rails Hosts
On Sunday 06 Jan 2008, Kazim Zaidi wrote: Hello, Do we've RoR developers on list? I want to know about web hosts that provide RoR hosting services. I've found some hosts but I heard they grow slow quickly. Given that RoR is such a productive framework, yet many times slower than php frameworks, is it a good choice for web development? I started with PHP and MVC for my web application development, and ended up with a lot of Rails-like organization. More on http://tuxplayground.blogspot.com/2008/01/these-holidays-i-was-busy-d eveloping.html So, for my next web application, I find RoR very much suitable. Your views? Also check out Perl with Catalyst, DBIx::Class and Template Toolkit. I'm using it for a couple of projects currently and am more thasn happy with the functionality and the paradigms. Speed is great once you move your production app into mod_perl. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || February 2008 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Ruby on Rails Hosts
On 06-Jan-08, at 8:18 AM, Raj Mathur wrote: So, for my next web application, I find RoR very much suitable. Your views? Also check out Perl with Catalyst, DBIx::Class and Template Toolkit. I'm using it for a couple of projects currently and am more thasn happy with the functionality and the paradigms. and when you are fed up with all that, try django -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Ruby on Rails Hosts
On Jan 6, 2008 8:18 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 06 Jan 2008, Kazim Zaidi wrote: Hello, Do we've RoR developers on list? I want to know about web hosts that provide RoR hosting services. I've found some hosts but I heard they grow slow quickly. Given that RoR is such a productive framework, yet many times slower than php frameworks, is it a good choice for web development? I started with PHP and MVC for my web application development, and ended up with a lot of Rails-like organization. More on http://tuxplayground.blogspot.com/2008/01/these-holidays-i-was-busy-d eveloping.html So, for my next web application, I find RoR very much suitable. Your views? Also check out Perl with Catalyst, DBIx::Class and Template Toolkit. I'm using it for a couple of projects currently and am more thasn happy with the functionality and the paradigms. Speed is great once you move your production app into mod_perl. +1 for mod_perl ( with Catalyst, Mason, Embperl etc. ) Although RoR is excellent for RAD, it is not yet ready for deployment of large projects. Moreover hosting/managing is also a headache. I believe, we'd have to wait some more time for Ruby2 to be ready ( with greater speed ) and hosting to mature ( eliminating hassles of deployment ). -- o1p2e3n4g5l6 http://saleem.a.ansari.googlepages.com/ http://www.jmilug.org/ http://www.csijmi.com/ Linux User #414799 (http://counter.li.org/) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
