Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth

2007-11-26 Thread Linux Lingam
On Nov 26, 2007 12:06 PM, Shamail Tayyab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



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  To: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org
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  [snip]
 
  Next is getting internet on the move using wireless ISP's like Idea,
  Hutch Airtel Reliance Tata etc..
  Again at my blog:
  http://tuxatwork.blogspot.com/2007/11/getting-internet-up-on-roam.html
 

 As far as i know, Airtel is not known for providing internet on
 prepaid,[snip]


wakey! wakey! i have already spent a fair amount of money browsing  the net
on my mobile using airtel's prepaid connection. they charge 15 paise per 10
kb. am confirming this as an end-user who's already spent from my balance,
at that rate, and have also counter-checked with airtel.


Yes obviously wlan provides much much better speeds. But WI-FI goes down as
 you step out of delhi, in trains roads etc... So?


yeah. had heard that shatabadi express was considering giving wifi to
passengers. wonder what happened to that.
gprs over edge has lots of issues as i mentioned earlier, but it is better
than nothing.

niyam bhushan
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Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth

2007-11-26 Thread Shamail Tayyab
Linux Lingam wrote:
 On Nov 26, 2007 12:06 PM, Shamail Tayyab [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:26:33 +0530
 To: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org
 Subject: Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth

 [snip]
   
 Next is getting internet on the move using wireless ISP's like Idea,
 Hutch Airtel Reliance Tata etc..
 Again at my blog:
 http://tuxatwork.blogspot.com/2007/11/getting-internet-up-on-roam.html

 
 As far as i know, Airtel is not known for providing internet on
 prepaid,[snip]
 


 wakey! wakey! i have already spent a fair amount of money browsing  the net
 on my mobile using airtel's prepaid connection. they charge 15 paise per 10
 kb. am confirming this as an end-user who's already spent from my balance,
 at that rate, and have also counter-checked with airtel.


 Yes obviously wlan provides much much better speeds. But WI-FI goes down as
   
 you step out of delhi, in trains roads etc... So?

 

 yeah. had heard that shatabadi express was considering giving wifi to
 passengers. wonder what happened to that.
 gprs over edge has lots of issues as i mentioned earlier, but it is better
 than nothing.
   
why not praying for 3G support in India!! He he... But i've heard that 
it has some issues with TRAI! Is that so?
 niyam bhushan
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Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth

2007-11-26 Thread Linux Lingam


 
 why not praying for 3G support in India!! He he... But i've heard that
 it has some issues with TRAI! Is that so?



well, did read reports in the newspaper last week about 3G's eventual roll
out in india. you could google.

in fact, while we wait for all this to happen, this is probably a good time
to ask the foss community on this mailing list, if people are interested in
community wifi.
is there any community wi-fi initiative happening in the NCR?
any pointers on how this could be started? any issues, legal or commercial?

:-)
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Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth

2007-11-25 Thread linuxlingam
On 11/25/07, Anand Shankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Try various binaries OR the LiveCD at http://www.kmobiletools.org/

Downloaded and booted with the live cd of kmobiletools.
version 0.5 beta 3.
this is buggy and crashes.
could not detect my mobile phone.
in fact, no bluetooth device found.

a) clicking on the grey Kbluetooth icon leads to the error the
process for the bluetooth protocol died unexpectedly.

b) launching the kmobiletools shortcut leads to a wizard that first
wants the bluetooth mobilephone connected.

so looks like this won't really work.
what next?

niyam bhushan

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Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth

2007-11-25 Thread Shamail Tayyab


 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 03:59:02 +0530
 To: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org
 Subject: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth
 
 dear all,
 
 i've got a bluetooth dongle on the usb port of my pc running ubuntu
 feisty 7.04.
 i wish to connect it to my Nokia E61i, install some apps, and learn
 how to sync the contacts list, calendars, and more, from my mobile
 with ubuntu.
 
 first i tried to install the Nokia PC Suite under wine. it did
 install, but alas needed IE to work properly. so i ditched this route.
 
 as the bluetooth wasn't working right, connected the phone direct to
 the pc using usb. it connected in the 'data-transfer' mode
 and a hard disk icon appeared on my ubuntu desktop. tried copying
 files to a folder at the root of the external microSD of the phone.
 they transferred, but showed up nowhere on the phone so i could
 install the apps.
 
 fyi, i found some interesting freeware apps at allaboutsymbian.com
 [no muft and mukt apps, though. sigh!]
 
 finally, tried mucking around with bluetooth. here is the result of my
 exploration:
 
 # hcitool dev
 correctly lists my bluetooth dongle.
 
 #hcitool scan
 then lists out the actual hex address and name of my Nokia E61i
 
 # l2ping address
 gives me 0 bytes from address...
 Send failed: Connection reset by peer
 
 
 # /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf
 
 in the section of Security Manager mode, have set it to
 security user; which is to always ask user for a PIN.
 
 the pairing mode is set to 'multi' which is 'allow pairing with
 already paired device'.
 
 the default PIN code for incoming connections, you may assume is set to
 1234.
 
 in the device section
 # Local device class
 class 0xff0100;
 
 linkmode
 lm accept
 
 
 i then
 # /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart
 just to be sure
 
 meanwhile, i ensure my mobile has bluetooth on, with visibility 'shown
 to all' for good measure.
 
 
 then i type alt+F2 and start kbluetooth
 [i don't have kde installed here. this is ubuntu but with
 kde-bluetooth installed]
 
 i get a grey-colored kbluetooth on my taskbar.
 a left-click opens konqueror, and i see my phone by name.
 clicking on it i see 13 files including obex file transfer.
 
 when i click on it, my mobile gets prompted for a PIN, which i enter
 correctly. thrice.
 yet the pc rejects the password.
 
 conversely, when i scan from my mobile, i do see the pc, and again
 when i try to pair, the PIN gets rejected and the pairing doesn't
 happen.
 
 here comes the odd part. though the two devices are not paired,
 using konqueror or nautilus, i can browse my desktop's filesystem,
 right-click any file, and attempt a 'send via bluetooth' to my mobile.
 this works. and then some.
 
 mid-way through sending any file, the file-transfer stalls or freezes
 at a random point.
 after multiple attempts, i successfully managed to get a 64kb file
 transferred into my mobile's inbox.
 
 a few days ago, while trying this procedure, i did manage to transfer
 much larger files, one even weighing in over a 1MB, without issues.
 fyi, have switched off the firewall and anti-virus app on my mobile,
 and have set app manager to install all apps and switched off online
 certificate check, for good measure.
 
 
 can't understand why is this not working.
 is there a solution? a better way?
 
 fyi, i went through the agonies of trying to get bluez working with my
 earlier Nokia6600 circa 2004 to 2006. it was quite an ugly procedure
 when i finally got it working to a somewhat buggy state. at that time
 i re-assured myself that hopefully by 2007 or so, when i get my next
 phone, things would have evolved much further. alas, they haven't, and
 i guess we need to let nokia know they need to provide software for
 gnulinux as well, else they might just lose out on huge customers
 eventually in the BRIC countries.
 
 meanwhile, would appreciate any help you may offer.
 
 :-)
 niyam
 

Hi!
Here i am determining few free command line tools that you can use for 
nokia and various other phones (technically phones supporting object push). And 
all this can be done on any system.. (without requiring such live CD). I own a 
nokia 3230, all of this work on my Debian etch.. but i hope this will work on 
any phone and any distribution, provided the phone is connected in PC-Suit mode.

You need...
bluez packages
hcitool, sdptool etc  // almost there in all the distros
obexftp obexfs etc// needs to be installed, depends on openobex
gnome-bluetooth etc  // this is also usually present

/* All commands at # prompt */

$hcitool dev
# shows the MAC address of the device attached with the system

$hcitool scan
# discovers the devices in range. Here note down the MAC address of your phone, 
say my_ph

$sdptool browse my_ph
# shows the list of services available on the remote device. Here note down the 
channel number of the services you want to use. On my phone 2 is for Dial up 
networking and 12 is for obex

Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth

2007-11-25 Thread Linux Lingam
dear shamail,

thanks for such a comprehensive and fantastic response. read through
your blog as well.



 $sdptool browse my_ph
 # shows the list of services available on the remote device. Here note down 
 the channel number of the services you want to use. On my phone 2 is for Dial 
 up networking and 12 is for obex object exchange.

i don't have anything specifically called 'obex object exchange' but i
do have obex file transfer, which is what i assume you mean. this is
at channel 11.


 pair the device.. the easiest way is to start
 # bluetooth-applet 
 and initiate pairing from the phone. Set the PC as authorized(just a personal 
 opinion) in the phone. This way you dont need to use bluez-pin for pairing, 
 neither you need to edit /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf

damn! this is the part that just does not work. same problem. i start
the pairing from the phone, type in the PIN, and the pc rejects it.
:-(



 /* The reason of the halting of transfer with kbluetooth may be that it is 
 trying to send the file using object push, and not object exchange (rem they 
 are both available at different channels, so use it correctly,  object push 
 doesn't support transfer directly in memory card, file will go to the phones 
 inbox. However no harm to phone will get caused if you will use the wrong 
 channel. This is the reason of most of your problems.

well am using object push rather than object exchange, as the latter
demands i have a paired device. you are right, with object push i get
the files in my inbox, which i have managed to install without errors.
i still don't understand why it halts at a random point with object
push. it had worked earlier.


anyways, i did find a quick-fix solution for the moment, but i still
want the proper bluetooth-enabled full pcmobile experience.
my quick-fix solution: the Nokia E61i ships with a usb cable. i
connect using the data-transfer mode, so on my ubuntu desktop the
phone appears as a hard-disk for the microSD card.

a) transferred all *.jar, *.sis, and other apps and data files to
personal folders on the card.
b) unmount from the pc, and the phone goes back online.
c) using the standard 'File Manager' program under Nokia's symbian
S60, just browse to the folder in the microSD, and installed the apps
and stored the data files in the relevant places.

how do i backup my contacts, sync with the pc, send and receive sms
etc., is still eluding me on my desktop gnulinux.

by the way, found a few interesting GPL and LGPL apps, ironically
written in FlashLite, for the mobile platform. those interested may
hunt for them at flash-mini.com




:-)
niyam bhushan

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Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth

2007-11-25 Thread Linux Lingam
[snip]

 Next is getting internet on the move using wireless ISP's like Idea, Hutch 
 Airtel Reliance Tata etc..
 Again at my blog: 
 http://tuxatwork.blogspot.com/2007/11/getting-internet-up-on-roam.html


oh! small error there. airtel internet on gsm phone works on prepaid
cards too. am using it. that said, even with GPRS over EDGE, the
connectivity is fickle. after a few sessions discovered that either it
works straight away on connect, or just stands still on connect. if
the latter happens, just disconnect and try again. a few minutes into
the connection it may slow down again. so disconnect and try again.
sigh!

in contrast, WLAN rocks. have got into the habit of strolling or
walking around while the phone seeks WLAN connections, and am startled
to find WI-FI waves almost everywhere, although almost all are secured
and encrypted.

the cafecoffeeday around the corner offers wi-fi for patrons, at a
steep cost of rs 90 for 90 minutes, valid for 48 hours, and was happy
to note they offer full support and service for 'Linux'. including
mentioning command-line instructions on how to connect your gnuLinux
laptop to their service. anybody tried it yet? how's the speed and
service?

 About contact synchronization... i am not sure, but i am working on an 
 application barbie, (barbie.sourceforge.net) in which i am trying to add 
 this feature. This is reading and writing an xml file in the C drive of the 
 phone. May be these holidays.. :-)

your url does not work, so searched for barbie on sourceforge. she's
gone missing.


:-)
niyam bhushan

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Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth

2007-11-25 Thread Shamail Tayyab


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:26:33 +0530
 To: ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org
 Subject: Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth
 
 [snip]
 
 Next is getting internet on the move using wireless ISP's like Idea,
 Hutch Airtel Reliance Tata etc..
 Again at my blog:
 http://tuxatwork.blogspot.com/2007/11/getting-internet-up-on-roam.html
 
 
 oh! small error there. airtel internet on gsm phone works on prepaid
 cards too. am using it. that said, even with GPRS over EDGE, the
 connectivity is fickle. after a few sessions discovered that either it
 works straight away on connect, or just stands still on connect. if
 the latter happens, just disconnect and try again. a few minutes into
 the connection it may slow down again. so disconnect and try again.
 sigh!
 
As far as i know, Airtel is not known for providing internet on prepaid, they 
have a plan for full unlimited internet on postpaid costing around 450 per 
month. Same with vodafone is 199 per month but with additional 5p per 10 kb 
data charge but supporting both prepaid and postpaid. Then !dea has a brilliant 
plan of 5 Rs per day daily rental unlimited internet plan. Another is a zero 
rental plan costing 2p per kb (to try out, the access pt name is internet)
 in contrast, WLAN rocks. have got into the habit of strolling or
 walking around while the phone seeks WLAN connections, and am startled
 to find WI-FI waves almost everywhere, although almost all are secured
 and encrypted.
Yes obviously wlan provides much much better speeds. But WI-FI goes down as you 
step out of delhi, in trains roads etc... So?
 
 the cafecoffeeday around the corner offers wi-fi for patrons, at a
 steep cost of rs 90 for 90 minutes, valid for 48 hours, and was happy
 to note they offer full support and service for 'Linux'. including
 mentioning command-line instructions on how to connect your gnuLinux
 laptop to their service. anybody tried it yet? how's the speed and
 service?
Really those guys give such service! Brilliant! If the speed is good then i 
think the cost is also okay...
 
 About contact synchronization... i am not sure, but i am working on an
 application barbie, (barbie.sourceforge.net) in which i am trying to
 add this feature. This is reading and writing an xml file in the C drive
 of the phone. May be these holidays.. :-)
Oh GOD... they have removed barbie... Actually i never read their terms of 
service.. he he. So they must have removed because of inactivity. Actually 
tough time going these days, so haven't worked on it from almost last two 
months. But anyways thaks for making me aware.. I'll do something..
 
 your url does not work, so searched for barbie on sourceforge. she's
 gone missing.
 
 
 :-)
Are.. there is nothing to smile on a deleted project at sf.
 niyam bhushan
 
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[ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth

2007-11-24 Thread Linux Lingam
dear all,

i've got a bluetooth dongle on the usb port of my pc running ubuntu feisty 7.04.
i wish to connect it to my Nokia E61i, install some apps, and learn
how to sync the contacts list, calendars, and more, from my mobile
with ubuntu.

first i tried to install the Nokia PC Suite under wine. it did
install, but alas needed IE to work properly. so i ditched this route.

as the bluetooth wasn't working right, connected the phone direct to
the pc using usb. it connected in the 'data-transfer' mode
and a hard disk icon appeared on my ubuntu desktop. tried copying
files to a folder at the root of the external microSD of the phone.
they transferred, but showed up nowhere on the phone so i could
install the apps.

fyi, i found some interesting freeware apps at allaboutsymbian.com
[no muft and mukt apps, though. sigh!]

finally, tried mucking around with bluetooth. here is the result of my
exploration:

# hcitool dev
correctly lists my bluetooth dongle.

#hcitool scan
then lists out the actual hex address and name of my Nokia E61i

# l2ping address
gives me 0 bytes from address...
Send failed: Connection reset by peer


# /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf

in the section of Security Manager mode, have set it to
security user; which is to always ask user for a PIN.

the pairing mode is set to 'multi' which is 'allow pairing with
already paired device'.

the default PIN code for incoming connections, you may assume is set to 1234.

in the device section
# Local device class
class 0xff0100;

linkmode
lm accept


i then
# /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart
just to be sure

meanwhile, i ensure my mobile has bluetooth on, with visibility 'shown
to all' for good measure.


then i type alt+F2 and start kbluetooth
[i don't have kde installed here. this is ubuntu but with
kde-bluetooth installed]

i get a grey-colored kbluetooth on my taskbar.
a left-click opens konqueror, and i see my phone by name.
clicking on it i see 13 files including obex file transfer.

when i click on it, my mobile gets prompted for a PIN, which i enter
correctly. thrice.
yet the pc rejects the password.

conversely, when i scan from my mobile, i do see the pc, and again
when i try to pair, the PIN gets rejected and the pairing doesn't
happen.

here comes the odd part. though the two devices are not paired,
using konqueror or nautilus, i can browse my desktop's filesystem,
right-click any file, and attempt a 'send via bluetooth' to my mobile.
this works. and then some.

mid-way through sending any file, the file-transfer stalls or freezes
at a random point.
after multiple attempts, i successfully managed to get a 64kb file
transferred into my mobile's inbox.

a few days ago, while trying this procedure, i did manage to transfer
much larger files, one even weighing in over a 1MB, without issues.
fyi, have switched off the firewall and anti-virus app on my mobile,
and have set app manager to install all apps and switched off online
certificate check, for good measure.


can't understand why is this not working.
is there a solution? a better way?

fyi, i went through the agonies of trying to get bluez working with my
earlier Nokia6600 circa 2004 to 2006. it was quite an ugly procedure
when i finally got it working to a somewhat buggy state. at that time
i re-assured myself that hopefully by 2007 or so, when i get my next
phone, things would have evolved much further. alas, they haven't, and
i guess we need to let nokia know they need to provide software for
gnulinux as well, else they might just lose out on huge customers
eventually in the BRIC countries.

meanwhile, would appreciate any help you may offer.

:-)
niyam

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Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth

2007-11-24 Thread Sudev Barar
On 25/11/2007, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 first i tried to install the Nokia PC Suite under wine. it did
 install, but alas needed IE to work properly. so i ditched this route.


Just couple of weeks back Gora and Mary pointed me to a project ie4linux.

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Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth

2007-11-24 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 25-Nov-07, at 5:37 AM, Sudev Barar wrote:

 first i tried to install the Nokia PC Suite under wine. it did
 install, but alas needed IE to work properly. so i ditched this  
 route.


 Just couple of weeks back Gora and Mary pointed me to a project  
 ie4linux.

It is illegal to use ie on ie4linux - please do not encourage such  
practices on this list.


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Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth

2007-11-24 Thread Anand Shankar
On Nov 25, 2007 3:59 AM, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 dear all,

 i've got a bluetooth dongle on the usb port of my pc running ubuntu feisty 
 7.04.
 i wish to connect it to my Nokia E61i, install some apps, and learn
 how to sync the contacts list, calendars, and more, from my mobile
 with ubuntu.



Try various binaries OR the LiveCD at http://www.kmobiletools.org/

It did get me to my phonebook on my SonyEricsson K510i and also tasted
success with 608i.

With recent Fedora8 defaults, I could use Phone Manager to display
incoming SMSs and I could send them from my PC as well.

anand

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Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth

2007-11-24 Thread Linux Lingam
On Nov 25, 2007 8:37 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 25-Nov-07, at 5:37 AM, Sudev Barar wrote:

  first i tried to install the Nokia PC Suite under wine. it did
  install, but alas needed IE to work properly. so i ditched this
  route.
 
 
  Just couple of weeks back Gora and Mary pointed me to a project
  ie4linux.

 It is illegal to use ie on ie4linux - please do not encourage such
 practices on this list.



thanks sudev and kenneth.
yup, i'll skip IE until it's copyleft.

:-)
niyam

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Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth

2007-11-24 Thread Anupam Jain
On Nov 25, 2007 8:37 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On 25-Nov-07, at 5:37 AM, Sudev Barar wrote:

  first i tried to install the Nokia PC Suite under wine. it did
  install, but alas needed IE to work properly. so i ditched this
  route.
 
 
  Just couple of weeks back Gora and Mary pointed me to a project
  ie4linux.

 It is illegal to use ie on ie4linux - please do not encourage such
 practices on this list.



Isn't it illegal only if you do not own a legal copy of windows?

-- Anupam
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Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth

2007-11-24 Thread Linux Lingam
On Nov 25, 2007 9:33 AM, Anand Shankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Nov 25, 2007 3:59 AM, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  dear all,
 
  i've got a bluetooth dongle on the usb port of my pc running ubuntu feisty 
  7.04.
  i wish to connect it to my Nokia E61i, install some apps, and learn
  how to sync the contacts list, calendars, and more, from my mobile
  with ubuntu.
 
 

 Try various binaries OR the LiveCD at http://www.kmobiletools.org/


thanks anand for the tip. am downloading the 199MB liveCD from the
BerliOS mirror as the kmobile site is as slow as an elephant drinking
water from a straw.

the kmobile site shows not much update has happened in the past few
months. manpower shortage. so i hope it still has enough smarts to
figure out my phone.

coming back to my desktop though. any clue, anyone, on what's going wrong here?
am sure all of you have mobilephones that you do sync and interact
with over your gnulinux. am not counting the smarter guys who use
linux-based mobilephones.
what are your experiences with using symbian S60 with your desktop
gnulinux? how close is it to the nokia suite experience?

also, any tips on copyleft software for symbian S60 version 3, which
may run on the Nokia E61i?

:-)
niyam

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Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth

2007-11-24 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On 25-Nov-07, at 12:18 PM, Anupam Jain wrote:

 It is illegal to use ie on ie4linux - please do not encourage such
 practices on this list.



 Isn't it illegal only if you do not own a legal copy of windows?

nope - if you check the 'license' on the ie download page, you will  
find that you are only allowed to run ie on specified operating  
systems - the list of specified operating systems is given, and linux  
is not on the list.


-- 
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Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate, NRC-FOSS
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