RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?

[Tarun Upadhyay]

Thanks for the input, Raj.

I have added a row-item for AntiVirus
I have also added opengroupware.org as the OSS. 

I am reluctant to add spam software as I consider the technology almost
commoditised and all work (or do not work) to the same extent giving user
very little option to change OS (or license) for this reason.

Tarun

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Tarun> Okay I will spam you guys one last time. Hopefully, it work
Tarun> now.  Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs.

Tarun> I created (to the best of my knowledge) how software stack
Tarun> in enterprise (defined as companies with greater than 200
Tarun> employees) space looks like between Microsoft and OSS
Tarun> products.
Tarun> http://www.tarunupadhyay.com/writings/sw/esoftstack.html

Tarun> Just for the fun sake, I also included the "leading"
Tarun> commercial UNIX offerings that are comparable. I have made
Tarun> blue whatever product out of three I think is the leader
Tarun> (at least in the world of PHB).

Tarun> I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is
Tarun> on): A) any services/features/products that I might have
Tarun> missed. (which estimatedely are used in at least 25% of
Tarun> enterprises) B) any information that you think is factually
Tarun> incorrect in the sheet.

Network management: I'd add Nagios to the list, one of the best network
monitoring tools I've seen.

Please add anti-virus.  It should probably be up there after the Kernel/Base
OS :)  On Linux you can use ClamAV, presumably Winduhs has anti-virus tools
too ;)

Spam control: SpamAssassin on Linux

Collaboration: opengroupware.org

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RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?

[Raj Mathur]

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> "Tarun" == Tarun Upadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Tarun> Okay I will spam you guys one last time. Hopefully, it work
Tarun> now.  Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs.

Tarun> I created (to the best of my knowledge) how software stack
Tarun> in enterprise (defined as companies with greater than 200
Tarun> employees) space looks like between Microsoft and OSS
Tarun> products.
Tarun> http://www.tarunupadhyay.com/writings/sw/esoftstack.html

Tarun> Just for the fun sake, I also included the "leading"
Tarun> commercial UNIX offerings that are comparable. I have made
Tarun> blue whatever product out of three I think is the leader
Tarun> (at least in the world of PHB).

Tarun> I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is
Tarun> on): A) any services/features/products that I might have
Tarun> missed. (which estimatedely are used in at least 25% of
Tarun> enterprises) B) any information that you think is factually
Tarun> incorrect in the sheet.

Network management: I'd add Nagios to the list, one of the best
network monitoring tools I've seen.

Please add anti-virus.  It should probably be up there after the
Kernel/Base OS :)  On Linux you can use ClamAV, presumably Winduhs has
anti-virus tools too ;)

Spam control: SpamAssassin on Linux

Collaboration: opengroupware.org

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RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?

[Tarun Upadhyay]

Okay I will spam you guys one last time. Hopefully, it work now.

Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs.  

I created (to the best of my knowledge) how software stack in enterprise
(defined as companies with greater than 200 employees) space looks like
between Microsoft and OSS products.
http://www.tarunupadhyay.com/writings/sw/esoftstack.html

Just for the fun sake, I also included the "leading" commercial UNIX
offerings that are comparable. I have made blue whatever product out of
three I think is the leader (at least in the world of PHB).

I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is on):
A) any services/features/products that I might have missed. (which
estimatedely are used in at least 25% of enterprises)
B) any information that you think is factually incorrect in the sheet.


With Warm Regards
Tarun upadhyay
www.tarunupadhyay.com


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RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems

[Tarun Upadhyay]

I fully agree with you Shuvam.
Incidently, I call people who still insist on using 10yr old technology when
new (and sometimes tools are available as not purists but just "old".
This phenomenon outside technical realm is typically termed as "generation
gap" ;-)

In any case, I have done what I should have done in the first place. The
websheet is now currently available from my website at :
http://www.tarunupadhyay.com/writings/sw/Enterprise%20Software%20Stack%20acr
oss%20operating%20Systems.html

(I know somebody is going to balk at the long name - but you are not
supposed to type it, dude)

I invite people to:
A) suggest any services I might have missed (I am sure there are many) which
are widely (defined as >25%) used by enterprise organizations (defined as
>200 employees)
B) I have marked in blue what I think are best product by "PHB-definition".
Please point out any errors there as well. (hint: don't just scream your
dearling product is the best just because you are in love with it or it has
X feature that no other product has. Consider what will *your PHB" boss buy
if he has no technical advise available and infinite money (for software,
not hardware) ).

In general, the idea is to find out where is OSS behind the other commerical
alternatives in providing a complete IT services stack to a medium (or
large) sized enterprise.
So, once, we got this list to near completion and accuracy  - the next step
would be to look at what are the essential features missing in today's
"OSS-stack".

Thanks
Tarun

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I've
I've just witnessed a hot debate in the ILUG Bombay mailing list about
whether HTML mail should be banned. I protested, saying that some kinds of
formatted text simply cannot be read unless you allow formats other than
plain text. Most others didn't agree; they appeared to be purists who wanted
only plain text.

Your (very useful, incidentally) table is a clear example of something which
needs a MIME type other than text/plain. I simply cannot make head or tail
of your table, because the lines are wrapping badly. And this list will not
allow attachments, and probably will not allow non-text messages too.

If you have a copy in HTML or spreadsheet format, can you please send it to
me directly by email?


When the going gets tough, the only way out seems to be to find workarounds
around all those well-meaning "standards", "norms" and "rules." For
instance, I have a Windows partition with MS Office 2000 on my laptop. Can't
do without it when it comes to handing over a presentation at a black-suited
apex-level corporate conference... OOo simply doesn't generate PPTs
compatible enough, and PDF presentations (done using the excellent pdfscreen
package in LaTeX) are too plain looking for some audiences. Finally, no one
gives you anything because you followed standards, they only appreciate your
work if you get the job done. Sigh... 

:)

Shuvam

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Tarun Upadhyay wrote:

> All right. All right. I figured out the hard way that I cannot send 
> attachments to the list. So here it is as inline text.
>
>  Microsoft  OSS
> Commercial Unix
>
> Kernel / Base OS Windows 2003   Linux, BSD
> AIX, Solaris
>
> Authentication and Authorization,SSO Active Directory   OpenLDAP
> NDS, sunOne
>
> File Services
> -volume management   Volume Manager LVM
> VeritasManager
> -distributed DFSSamba, NFS (Client
> mode)   NFS, AFS
>
> Database SQL Server Postgres, mysql
> Oracle
>
> Network Services
> -VPN, FirewallingPPTP, ICF, ISA PPP, S/WAN,
iptables
> Checkpoint
> -Routing, WANRAS, ICS   iproute2
> cisco routers
> -DNS Active Directory   bind
> ?
> -MailExchange   Sendmail, Qmail
> sunOne messaging
> +HTTP Services
>  -Application Server IIS, MSMQ, COM+Tomcat, Jboss,
> Apache  Weblogic,MQSeries
>  -Proxy Server   ISASquid
> iPlanet ?
>  -Content Management, PortalsCMSWiki?
> Plum Tree
>
> Application Frameworks   .NET   J2EE
> J2EE
>
> Network Management   SMS,MOMOpenNMS
> Tivoli, OpenView
>
> CollaborationExchange + Outlook ?
> Domino
>
> Business Integration  

RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems

[Shuvam Misra]

I've
I've just witnessed a hot debate in the ILUG Bombay mailing list about
whether HTML mail should be banned. I protested, saying that some kinds
of formatted text simply cannot be read unless you allow formats other
than plain text. Most others didn't agree; they appeared to be purists
who wanted only plain text.

Your (very useful, incidentally) table is a clear example of something
which needs a MIME type other than text/plain. I simply cannot make
head or tail of your table, because the lines are wrapping badly. And
this list will not allow attachments, and probably will not allow
non-text messages too.

If you have a copy in HTML or spreadsheet format, can you please send it
to me directly by email?


When the going gets tough, the only way out seems to be to find
workarounds around all those well-meaning "standards", "norms" and
"rules." For instance, I have a Windows partition with MS Office 2000
on my laptop. Can't do without it when it comes to handing over a
presentation at a black-suited apex-level corporate conference... OOo
simply doesn't generate PPTs compatible enough, and PDF presentations
(done using the excellent pdfscreen package in LaTeX) are too plain
looking for some audiences. Finally, no one gives you anything because
you followed standards, they only appreciate your work if you get the
job done. Sigh...


:)

Shuvam

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Tarun Upadhyay wrote:

> All right. All right. I figured out the hard way that I cannot send
> attachments to the list.
> So here it is as inline text.
>
>  Microsoft  OSS
> Commercial Unix
>
> Kernel / Base OS Windows 2003   Linux, BSD
> AIX, Solaris
>
> Authentication and Authorization,SSO Active Directory   OpenLDAP
> NDS, sunOne
>
> File Services
> -volume management   Volume Manager LVM
> VeritasManager
> -distributed DFSSamba, NFS (Client
> mode)   NFS, AFS
>
> Database SQL Server Postgres, mysql
> Oracle
>
> Network Services
> -VPN, FirewallingPPTP, ICF, ISA PPP, S/WAN, iptables
> Checkpoint
> -Routing, WANRAS, ICS   iproute2
> cisco routers
> -DNS Active Directory   bind
> ?
> -MailExchange   Sendmail, Qmail
> sunOne messaging
> +HTTP Services
>  -Application Server IIS, MSMQ, COM+Tomcat, Jboss,
> Apache  Weblogic,MQSeries
>  -Proxy Server   ISASquid
> iPlanet ?
>  -Content Management, PortalsCMSWiki?
> Plum Tree
>
> Application Frameworks   .NET   J2EE
> J2EE
>
> Network Management   SMS,MOMOpenNMS
> Tivoli, OpenView
>
> CollaborationExchange + Outlook ?
> Domino
>
> Business Integration BizTalk?
> WebMethods,Vitria
>
> Let me know your opinions please.
>
> Thanks
> Tarun
>
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> Ooops. Forgot to attach the list.
> Here it comes.
>
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> Behalf Of Tarun Dua
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> Subject: Re: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?
>
>
> On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 03:35, Tarun Upadhyay wrote:
> > Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs.
> I am only an ignorant self-proclaimed sysadmin who is a PHB by the way.
> > I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is on):
> > A) any services/features/products that I might have missed. (which
> > estimatedely are used in at least 25% of enterprises)
> > B) any information that you think is factually incorrect in the sheet.
> The sheet is invisible to me as well. Can you post the link to it. -Tarun
> Dua http://www.tarundua.net
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RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?

[Tarun Upadhyay]

All right. All right. I figured out the hard way that I cannot send
attachments to the list.
So here it is as inline text.

 Microsoft  OSS
Commercial Unix

Kernel / Base OS Windows 2003   Linux, BSD
AIX, Solaris

Authentication and Authorization,SSO Active Directory   OpenLDAP
NDS, sunOne

File Services
-volume management   Volume Manager LVM
VeritasManager
-distributed DFSSamba, NFS (Client
mode)   NFS, AFS

Database SQL Server Postgres, mysql
Oracle

Network Services
-VPN, FirewallingPPTP, ICF, ISA PPP, S/WAN, iptables
Checkpoint
-Routing, WANRAS, ICS   iproute2
cisco routers
-DNS Active Directory   bind
?
-MailExchange   Sendmail, Qmail
sunOne messaging 
+HTTP Services
 -Application Server IIS, MSMQ, COM+Tomcat, Jboss,
Apache  Weblogic,MQSeries
 -Proxy Server   ISASquid
iPlanet ?
 -Content Management, PortalsCMSWiki?
Plum Tree

Application Frameworks   .NET   J2EE
J2EE

Network Management   SMS,MOMOpenNMS
Tivoli, OpenView

CollaborationExchange + Outlook ?
Domino

Business Integration BizTalk?
WebMethods,Vitria

Let me know your opinions please.

Thanks 
Tarun

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Ooops. Forgot to attach the list.
Here it comes.

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On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 03:35, Tarun Upadhyay wrote:
> Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs.
I am only an ignorant self-proclaimed sysadmin who is a PHB by the way.
> I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is on):
> A) any services/features/products that I might have missed. (which
> estimatedely are used in at least 25% of enterprises)
> B) any information that you think is factually incorrect in the sheet.
The sheet is invisible to me as well. Can you post the link to it. -Tarun
Dua http://www.tarundua.net



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RE: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?

[Tarun Upadhyay]

Ooops. Forgot to attach the list.
Here it comes.

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On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 03:35, Tarun Upadhyay wrote:
> Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs.
I am only an ignorant self-proclaimed sysadmin who is a PHB by the way.
> I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is on):
> A) any services/features/products that I might have missed. (which 
> estimatedely are used in at least 25% of enterprises)
> B) any information that you think is factually incorrect in the sheet.
The sheet is invisible to me as well. Can you post the link to it. -Tarun
Dua http://www.tarundua.net



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Re: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?

[Tarun Dua]

On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 03:35, Tarun Upadhyay wrote:
> Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs.  
I am only an ignorant self-proclaimed sysadmin who is a PHB by the way.
> I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is on):
> A) any services/features/products that I might have missed. (which
> estimatedely are used in at least 25% of enterprises)
> B) any information that you think is factually incorrect in the sheet.
The sheet is invisible to me as well. Can you post the link to it.
-Tarun Dua
http://www.tarundua.net



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Re: [ilugd] Enterprise Software Stack across operating Systems ?

[Raj Mathur]

> "Tarun" == Tarun Upadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Tarun> Alright, all sysadmins and PHBs.  I created (to the best of
Tarun> my knowledge) how software stack in enterprise (defined as
Tarun> companies with greater than 200 employees) space looks like
Tarun> between Microsoft and OSS products.

Tarun> Just for the fun sake, I also included the "leading"
Tarun> commercial UNIX offerings that are comparable.  I have made
Tarun> blue whatever product out of three I think is the leader
Tarun> (at least in the world of PHB).

Tarun> I would welcome any opinions on (yeah my asbestos suit is
Tarun> on): A) any services/features/products that I might have
Tarun> missed. (which estimatedely are used in at least 25% of
Tarun> enterprises) B) any information that you think is factually
Tarun> incorrect in the sheet.

...and the sheet is at?

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