Re: Loading Problems
On Nov 10, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Thunder 1 wrote: Thank you Dan for the confirmation that I was looking for. I use MSNBC as one of my news sources only because its the only one offered on my Excite.com Home Page for the Science Tech articles I like to read. I will work to find some other news source as I continue my walk thru the public news morass ... news.google.com is a very good start -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Loading Problems
At 10:24 AM -0700 11/10/2009, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Nov 10, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Thunder 1 wrote: I will work to find some other news source as I continue my walk thru the public news morass ... news.google.com is a very good start And check out NetNewsWire - learn how to use RSS feeds. As you find news sources that seem interesting, throw the RSS feed (feed://etc) at NetNewsWire. Then you'll see the new articles in a clean easy to read list! It's MUCH faster than visiting individual web sites! Blame Bruce for putting me onto NetNewsWire. :) - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Loading Problems
On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Dan wrote: And check out NetNewsWire - learn how to use RSS feeds. As you find news sources that seem interesting, throw the RSS feed (feed://etc) at NetNewsWire. Then you'll see the new articles in a clean easy to read list! It's MUCH faster than visiting individual web sites! Blame Bruce for putting me onto NetNewsWire. :) Blame Apple for not fixing Safari's RSS security hole for a couple months for pushing ME into NNN. I'm extremely glad it did. NetNewsWire rawks. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Loading Problems
On Nov 10, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Art wrote: On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Dan wrote: And check out NetNewsWire - learn how to use RSS feeds. As you find news sources that seem interesting, throw the RSS feed (feed://etc) at NetNewsWire. Then you'll see the new articles in a clean easy to read list! It's MUCH faster than visiting individual web sites! Just curious here -- I have my RSS feeds coming directly into Mail (they're listed at the bottom under the mailboxes or I can choose to have any/all shown in the Inbox); is there some advantage to using a separate program, e.g., NetNewsWire for this purpose? Thanks! Net News Wire allows a variety of customizations, and if you register with Newsgator (the publisher of NNN) you can have your RSS feeds automatically synched between all your devices, so you can read them on any computer or mobile device (there's an NNN version for the iPhone/iPod Touch) and not have to wade through dupes, etc. Other than that it's merely a matter of personal preference. I really liked RSS in Safari until I tried NetNewsWire; I'd been unimpressed with the feeds in Mail, they seemed slower and clumsier to use. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Loading Problems
I just find that using Vienna (I used NNW before they took out MobileMe sync) makes it much easier for me to control my feeds and makes it a much more enjoyable experience to read them. Off course, you may find Mail fine. But to me, an e-mail program is exactly that. An email program. Designed for reading email. Not Notes. Not To-Do's. Not RSS. E-mail. If you only have 1 or 2 that you check, I guess I can understand running it through Mail, but I have basically 50 feeds I check every morning. I find much more control available in Vienna and NNW (NetNewsWire) than in Mail. And thats my AU$0.02 worth! cjc On 11/11/2009, at 8:59 AM, Art wrote: On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Dan wrote: And check out NetNewsWire - learn how to use RSS feeds. As you find news sources that seem interesting, throw the RSS feed (feed://etc) at NetNewsWire. Then you'll see the new articles in a clean easy to read list! It's MUCH faster than visiting individual web sites! Just curious here -- I have my RSS feeds coming directly into Mail (they're listed at the bottom under the mailboxes or I can choose to have any/all shown in the Inbox); is there some advantage to using a separate program, e.g., NetNewsWire for this purpose? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Loading Problems
At 7:32 AM -0800 11/5/2009, Thunder 1 wrote: On Oct 31, 8:25 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 3:05 PM -0700 10/31/2009, Thunder 1 wrote: iMac C2Duo with 2GB RAM Has anyone else had a problem getting msnbc sites to load? [snip] If you could provide the actual URLs involved, and a traceroute to 'em, we could take a look. [top posting corrected] Here ya go, Dan. This is just a sample of the problem msnbc site. Every msnbc page either takes forever to load or simply puts me do sleep waiting for it. Let me know what you come up with please. BTW, I'm using Safari 4.0.3 Every msnbc page? There must be a million pages there. Ok. Today, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ loads in about 40 seconds. I see one (blocked) flash item. And there are TWO pop-under windows. One of those windows is empty and the other is filled with broken graphics icons (web server failed to provide the image). Safari's Activity window shows half a dozen graphics never loaded, on the main page. If I disable ClickToFlash, and reload that page, it never finishes loading. Looks like typical MS crapland to me. The page layout is rather poor. It's wider than my browser window - and widens more each time I enlarge the window. heh. Just noticed a section on that page called Resource Guide. At first thought, I figured it was links to background information on the stories. Nope -- it's all advertising. LOL IMO, there are better places to get your news on the 'net. You don't need your news filtered thru MS goggles and craplets. NBC should be embarrassed.. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Loading Problems
I just went to msnbc.msn and the page loaded in 4-5 seconds... you must be on dial-up. I'm on DSL, using Safari 4.0.3 on a G4 800MHz 40Gb running Tiger 10.4.11 Dan wrote: At 7:32 AM -0800 11/5/2009, Thunder 1 wrote: On Oct 31, 8:25 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 3:05 PM -0700 10/31/2009, Thunder 1 wrote: iMac C2Duo with 2GB RAM Has anyone else had a problem getting msnbc sites to load? [snip] If you could provide the actual URLs involved, and a traceroute to 'em, we could take a look. [top posting corrected] Here ya go, Dan. This is just a sample of the problem msnbc site. Every msnbc page either takes forever to load or simply puts me do sleep waiting for it. Let me know what you come up with please. BTW, I'm using Safari 4.0.3 Every msnbc page? There must be a million pages there. Ok. Today, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ loads in about 40 seconds. I see one (blocked) flash item. And there are TWO pop-under windows. One of those windows is empty and the other is filled with broken graphics icons (web server failed to provide the image). Safari's Activity window shows half a dozen graphics never loaded, on the main page. If I disable ClickToFlash, and reload that page, it never finishes loading. Looks like typical MS crapland to me. The page layout is rather poor. It's wider than my browser window - and widens more each time I enlarge the window. heh. Just noticed a section on that page called Resource Guide. At first thought, I figured it was links to background information on the stories. Nope -- it's all advertising. LOL IMO, there are better places to get your news on the 'net. You don't need your news filtered thru MS goggles and craplets. NBC should be embarrassed.. - Dan. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Loading Problems
i've had problems seeing the complete site i.e. it often appears like raw text before css formatting is applied. by any chance do you use a hosts file and/or Little Snitch and/or netbarrier and/or certain blocked cookies in any of your browser settings? I have alot of the galldarned cookie-setting ad sites blocked in various of these mentioned above and I think it might possibly sometimes have something to do with those that's my best guess based on my own experiences w/ this stuff. I also use camino and firefox with addons like adblock, flashbock and noscript to block crap and bad things and I believe a combo off all these affect poorly designed overly complexified site features like those at msnbc. let us know if you think this is also part of your 'beneath the hood' experience -- and good luck! On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Thunder 1 thunder...@mindspring.comwrote: Greetings all. Has anyone else had a problem getting msnbc sites to load? Most other sites I go to will load quickly, but msnbc takes forever and sometimes never finishes loading. Any idea why? I've cleared histories and cache on Safari, but no solution there. Also, (and this happens mostly on msnbc sites, but occasionally on other sites) when there is a photo or graphic to be viewed, such as a thumbnail or something to link to a larger photo or whatever, I get a small blue box with a white question mark in it. Clicking on that doesn't do anything. Again, dumping history and cache, and even closing out all other programs except Safari doesn't seem to provide a remedy. Any suggestions? Is this a problem with my iMac C2Duo with 2GB's RAM? I wouldn't think so. Or is it just the msnbc site itself? Thanks. Bill --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Loading Problems
At 12:13 PM -0500 11/9/2009, Hash Mac wrote: i've had problems seeing the complete site i.e. it often appears like raw text before css formatting is applied. That means that the CSS files are arriving so late that the browser has decided to go ahead and display what it has already. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Loading Problems
At 3:05 PM -0700 10/31/2009, Thunder 1 wrote: iMac C2Duo with 2GB RAM Has anyone else had a problem getting msnbc sites to load? Yes, sometimes. Any idea why? The times I've cared enough to track it down... Most often, there were connectivity problems within MS' network (for elements that were not cached by akamai). Other times it was the double-secret handshake that MS' servers use with IE, which introduces delays and load failures when talking to other browsers. Or it was their use of bogus html, css, flash, etc. If you could provide the actual URLs involved, and a traceroute to 'em, we could take a look. I get a small blue box with a white question mark in it. The web server failed to provide that page element. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
