Re: Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions
Thanks to all who replied. I ended up with it as 1 partition, maxed out the RAM, and replaced the PRAM battery. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions
On Sep 11, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Elliott Price wrote: And that's not true; PPC Macs will not (officially) boot from USB devices. Later G4's and G5's can be made to if you go through a lot of hard steps setting up the USB drive, but I have never gotten that to work. Any Mac with USB 1.0 shouldn't start from USB because it's just too slow; it takes so long to boot, it just never comes up. (I know from experience! Tried to boot a G3 iMac from a USB DVD drive, and it just sat at the grey Apple screen for hours.) Well, I've had G3 iMacs boot from a USB harddrive. It took a while, I do't recall the specifics but it wasn't longer than 30 minutes. I've also booted a clamshell ibook from a USB DVD drive, again, slow but it worked. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
OS X on iMac G3 (Re: Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions)
On Sep 8, 2010, at 3:01 AM, Walter Sheluk wrote: Excuse me for dropping into this discussion. In general, please start a new thread for a new question (e.g. by using New Message in Apple Mail) instead of replying. I have a iMac G3 that has OS 9.2.2 installed by the guy that sold this blue bean. It is my understanding that i can install OS X on top, right ? OS X 10.3 Panther, sure. Maybe 10.4 Tiger. Definitely not 10.5 Leopard or 10.6 Snow Leopard. However, the said iMac G3's optical drive can only read CD's not DVD's. It rudely spits out the DVD with no explanation. How rude is that? It beats crashing. Don't try plugging in a modern iPod. And also the iMac G3 hard drive is only 10 GB. Don't bother. What kind of hardware you need depends of course on what you intend to do with it, but even so, what you have is really not suitable for running OS X in any scenario. What now ? Run OS 9 or get a newer machine? For OS X, I suggest getting a Mac with at least an Intel processor. Beyond this it would help to know what you're seeking to do with it. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions
Headless means the computer has no monitor. (Usually this is done with servers, and they're controlled through screen sharing.) And that's not true; PPC Macs will not (officially) boot from USB devices. Later G4's and G5's can be made to if you go through a lot of hard steps setting up the USB drive, but I have never gotten that to work. Any Mac with USB 1.0 shouldn't start from USB because it's just too slow; it takes so long to boot, it just never comes up. (I know from experience! Tried to boot a G3 iMac from a USB DVD drive, and it just sat at the grey Apple screen for hours.) FireWire DVD burner, or Target Disk Mode are the best ways to get around the fact that they don't have DVD drives. (Or borrow a DVD drive from an iBook, Powerbook G4, etc. They're compatible with the slot-loaders AND the tray loaders. You just have to switch connector boards on the back) -Elliott Any PPC that is not HEADLESS and has a keyboard attached will startup from any drive as long as it has a valid operating system installed. What does that mean? I've never heard that term in the 26 years I've had computers. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions
On Sep 11, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: On 11/09/10 02:12PDT, gifutiger wrote: Any PPC that is not HEADLESS and has a keyboard attached will startup from any drive as long as it has a valid operating system installed. What does that mean? I've never heard that term in the 26 years I've had computers. 'Headless' means not having a display. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions
You stand corrected. The later series of G3 iMacs (Summer 2001 and later) have a VGA port on the back side that have the ability of mirroring the display. In the event the main display ceases to function, the VGA port can be used, and this will case a Headless iMac. Earlier G3 iMacs do not have this ability and therefore cannot be fixed once this happens unless you modify the connector wires, or unless you have a DB-15 to VGA adapter for the bondi blue iMacs and imacs with a corresponding design. Basically any one with the VGA port on the back or the tray loading G3 imacs can be Headless. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions
gifutiger wrote: Sorry, an iMac can not be headless. Given the design of the eMac, G3, G5, and Intel iMacs there is some truth to this statement, although you could take the MB out of one of the above mentioned machines and make what is technically a headless 'iMac' out of it. But the G4 iMac most certainly can me modded to run without a 'head' without removing the MB from the case, unfortunately MacTech bought MacMod.com and I can't find the how to. The one caveat to either method is that you need to buy or build something to fool the MB into thinking that there is a monitor attached. Dr. Bott used to sell one, or they can be made fairly easily and much cheaper. I did find a video of someone who turned their G4 iMac into a headless jukebox that he access' with his iPhone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7XCRIza9II Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions
On 11/09/10 02:12PDT, gifutiger wrote: Any PPC that is not HEADLESS and has a keyboard attached will startup from any drive as long as it has a valid operating system installed. What does that mean? I've never heard that term in the 26 years I've had computers. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions
Greetings, Sorry, an iMac can not be headless. However Headless is a term used for a Tower or Desktop types of Macs' that do not have a monitor or keyboard attached. Once setup, i.e. like a server the monitor and keyboard can be removed. Then it can be administered remotely. Therefore if there is a power failure, or any reason for the platform to reboot, it will not boot into a USB drive, it will only boot into an internal disk, a SCSI (internal or external,) or firewire drive. Cheers, Harry San Jose, Ca. On Sep 11, 2:12 am, gifutiger gifuti...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings but remember, PPC Macs can only boot from a FireWire external drive; USB drives won't work. This statement IS NOT TRUE Any PPC that is not HEADLESS and has a keyboard attached will startup from any drive as long as it has a valid operating system installed. Whether it is attached via USB 1.0, USB 1.1, USB 2.0, Firewire 400 , Firewire 800 or any internal attached disk. What you need to know is that disks' that are attached via USB 1.0, USB 1.1, USB 2.0, can not be selected to startup automatically at power-on or during restart. However they can be selected during the start-up process. To select a USB 1.0, USB 1.1, USB 2.0, disk you need to hold down the Option Key as soon as you hear the start-up Bong and continue holding the Option Key until you see your connected disks' start to appear on the screen. After all of the attached disks' appear you can then click on the disk that you want to use as start-up, then click on the button with the Arrow pointing to the right. Your platform will then boot into that disk, whether it is attached via USB 1.0, USB 1.1, USB 2.0, Firewire 400 , Firewire 800 or any internal attached disk. Cheers Harry San Jose, Ca On Sep 9, 10:53 pm, Dennis B. Swaney ro...@aol.com wrote: On 08/09/10 03:01PDT, Walter Sheluk wrote: Excuse me for dropping into this discussion. I have a iMac G3 that has OS 9.2.2 installed by the guy that sold this blue bean. It is my understanding that i can install OS X on top, right ? However, the said iMac G3's optical drive can only read CD's not DVD's. It rudely spits out the DVD with no explanation. How rude is that? What now ? And also the iMac G3 hard drive is only 10 GB. What now ? Walter, First, is it tray or slot loading? Second, does it have built-in FireWire? If the answers are slot and yes respectively, try the following: First take a business size card a wrap a short piece of lint-free cloth, preferably microfiber, around one short side of the cloth. Holding the cloth and card tightly, gently slide the wrapped end of the card in on the left side of the slot as you face it. Gently pull it out and clean the dust, debris, etc., off the cloth. Repeat until no more debris comes out on the cloth. You may have to try a little to the right of the left edge of the slot. Now try a DVD again. If it works, you're in like Flynn. If not, follow Jack's suggestion on external DVD drive, but remember, PPC Macs can only boot from a FireWire external drive; USB drives won't work. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions
An iMac can be headless. When my bondi blue's CRT died, I used it as an external drive for a while before attaching an external monitor. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 11, 2010, at 12:44 PM, gifutiger gifuti...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, Sorry, an iMac can not be headless. However Headless is a term used for a Tower or Desktop types of Macs' that do not have a monitor or keyboard attached. Once setup, i.e. like a server the monitor and keyboard can be removed. Then it can be administered remotely. Therefore if there is a power failure, or any reason for the platform to reboot, it will not boot into a USB drive, it will only boot into an internal disk, a SCSI (internal or external,) or firewire drive. Cheers, Harry San Jose, Ca. On Sep 11, 2:12 am, gifutiger gifuti...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings but remember, PPC Macs can only boot from a FireWire external drive; USB drives won't work. This statement IS NOT TRUE Any PPC that is not HEADLESS and has a keyboard attached will startup from any drive as long as it has a valid operating system installed. Whether it is attached via USB 1.0, USB 1.1, USB 2.0, Firewire 400 , Firewire 800 or any internal attached disk. What you need to know is that disks' that are attached via USB 1.0, USB 1.1, USB 2.0, can not be selected to startup automatically at power-on or during restart. However they can be selected during the start-up process. To select a USB 1.0, USB 1.1, USB 2.0, disk you need to hold down the Option Key as soon as you hear the start-up Bong and continue holding the Option Key until you see your connected disks' start to appear on the screen. After all of the attached disks' appear you can then click on the disk that you want to use as start-up, then click on the button with the Arrow pointing to the right. Your platform will then boot into that disk, whether it is attached via USB 1.0, USB 1.1, USB 2.0, Firewire 400 , Firewire 800 or any internal attached disk. Cheers Harry San Jose, Ca On Sep 9, 10:53 pm, Dennis B. Swaney ro...@aol.com wrote: On 08/09/10 03:01PDT, Walter Sheluk wrote: Excuse me for dropping into this discussion. I have a iMac G3 that has OS 9.2.2 installed by the guy that sold this blue bean. It is my understanding that i can install OS X on top, right ? However, the said iMac G3's optical drive can only read CD's not DVD's. It rudely spits out the DVD with no explanation. How rude is that? What now ? And also the iMac G3 hard drive is only 10 GB. What now ? Walter, First, is it tray or slot loading? Second, does it have built-in FireWire? If the answers are slot and yes respectively, try the following: First take a business size card a wrap a short piece of lint-free cloth, preferably microfiber, around one short side of the cloth. Holding the cloth and card tightly, gently slide the wrapped end of the card in on the left side of the slot as you face it. Gently pull it out and clean the dust, debris, etc., off the cloth. Repeat until no more debris comes out on the cloth. You may have to try a little to the right of the left edge of the slot. Now try a DVD again. If it works, you're in like Flynn. If not, follow Jack's suggestion on external DVD drive, but remember, PPC Macs can only boot from a FireWire external drive; USB drives won't work. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions
On 08/09/10 03:01PDT, Walter Sheluk wrote: Excuse me for dropping into this discussion. I have a iMac G3 that has OS 9.2.2 installed by the guy that sold this blue bean. It is my understanding that i can install OS X on top, right ? You need to check that the firmware has been updated in OS9 BEFORE you try and install any flavour of OSX. I don't have any of my G3s accessible to check which firmware version is the correct one to allow OSX to boot but you can get the upgrader from the Apple site: a very small download - if you try to install OSX on a G3 iMac that has not been upgraded you can end up with a machine that won't boot at all ! However, the said iMac G3's optical drive can only read CD's not DVD's. It rudely spits out the DVD with no explanation. How rude is that? Yes my eMac that only has a CD drive is similarly non-communicative about the reason why when it spits out a DVD - it seems that there is no helpful message in OS9 and OSX to say that it cannot read DVD's - it just rejects them without a word! What now ? If you have an external Firewire DVD drive you can install from there, otherwise there are posts in the iMaclist archive about installing using Target Disc mode. And also the iMac G3 hard drive is only 10 GB. What now ? 10 GB is enough space to install OSX on, although you are better doing a customised install that does not put about 1GB of printer drivers that you almost certainly don't need onto the hard drive. From memory, OSX Panther (10.3) takes up about 1.3 GB of hard drive if you miss out the drivers (just install the drivers for any printers you actually own) - OSX Tiger (10.4) takes a bit more. Then again, since this is a 10 year old hard drive, it might be worth putting something bigger in there (although less than 128 GB, since there is a limit on hard drive size in these machines). The G3 iMac isn't too hard to take apart, there are instructions on the Apple site for this, and plenty of walkthroughs with pictures and tips on the Web (Google is your friend here!) If you are going inside it also makes sense to replace the PRAM battery if it is the original - when this voltage drops the iMac will forget the date and time and they will have to be reset every time you turn it on. The 1/2 AA size battery is fairly easy to find online at various prices: I used to use a CR2 battery (which is slightly bigger diameter but cheaper and easier to find since it is used in cameras - this can be persuaded to fit with a little pressure which deforms the plastic battery holder ( - I have since bought 10 proper batteries from an ebay supplier at a good price since I have a lot of Macs) HTH Dan -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions
Excuse me for dropping into this discussion. I have a iMac G3 that has OS 9.2.2 installed by the guy that sold this blue bean. It is my understanding that i can install OS X on top, right ? However, the said iMac G3's optical drive can only read CD's not DVD's. It rudely spits out the DVD with no explanation. How rude is that? What now ? And also the iMac G3 hard drive is only 10 GB. What now ? On 10-09-07 11:47 AM, Tina K. wrote: Dennis B. Swaney so eloquently wrote: 3. Since I have a 9.2.2 install CD, I will boot from it to install Mac OS 9.2.2. However, how should I go about installing Mac OS 10.4? Boot from the DVD, or just do the install while the iMac is running on 9.2.2? I've never installed both OS 9.x and OS 10.x from scratch before. 4. Since I don't have any way to connect this old iMac to the Internet, is there any other way to run the Software Updaters for OS 9 OS 10? Perhaps by connecting it with an Ethernet cable to my PowerBook and sharing it's Internet connection? Any other advice would be welcome. Don't forget to partition the drive while you're in Disk Utility after you zero it out. Internet sharing has never worked for me as easily as it seems it should be. Be sure to turn off the firewall in the Sharing or Security preference pane (depending on OS version). Whenever I've used internet sharing I've always ended up having to futz with it, sorry I can't be more specific than that. You could also just disconnect your PowerBook and connect the iMac directly, that might actually be easier. Another way to go would be to get a router, not only does that allow you to connect more than one computer to the internet it also provides a hardware firewall. Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions
On 07/09/10 11:51PDT, Dan wrote: At 11:04 AM -0700 9/7/2010, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: should I partition the drive and put Tiger on one and OS 9 on the other, or should I just leave the 40 GB drive as 1? One partition, so your available space is one big pool. OS 9 is designed to be on the volume with OS X, and HFS+J does not have the corruption problems that plagued the old HFS/HFS+ file system back in the OS 7/8/9 days. OK, I've wiped and zeroed the hard drive. Should I install 9 first and then 10 or vice versa? When I'm done installing/updating, how do I set it up so that the new owner/user is greeted with the same setup process as if it was bought new from Apple? -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions
Walter, You can acquire an external drive, or install a CD/DVD drive in the iMac. You can install OS X on top of 9.2.2. Find a larger hard drive if 10 GB is too small. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:01 AM, Walter Sheluk wshe...@shaw.ca wrote: Excuse me for dropping into this discussion. I have a iMac G3 that has OS 9.2.2 installed by the guy that sold this blue bean. It is my understanding that i can install OS X on top, right ? However, the said iMac G3's optical drive can only read CD's not DVD's. It rudely spits out the DVD with no explanation. How rude is that? What now ? And also the iMac G3 hard drive is only 10 GB. What now ? -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions
On 08/09/10 03:01PDT, Walter Sheluk wrote: Excuse me for dropping into this discussion. I have a iMac G3 that has OS 9.2.2 installed by the guy that sold this blue bean. It is my understanding that i can install OS X on top, right ? However, the said iMac G3's optical drive can only read CD's not DVD's. It rudely spits out the DVD with no explanation. How rude is that? What now ? And also the iMac G3 hard drive is only 10 GB. What now ? Walter, First, is it tray or slot loading? Second, does it have built-in FireWire? If the answers are slot and yes respectively, try the following: First take a business size card a wrap a short piece of lint-free cloth, preferably microfiber, around one short side of the cloth. Holding the cloth and card tightly, gently slide the wrapped end of the card in on the left side of the slot as you face it. Gently pull it out and clean the dust, debris, etc., off the cloth. Repeat until no more debris comes out on the cloth. You may have to try a little to the right of the left edge of the slot. Now try a DVD again. If it works, you're in like Flynn. If not, follow Jack's suggestion on external DVD drive, but remember, PPC Macs can only boot from a FireWire external drive; USB drives won't work. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions
I originally posted this on Apple Discussions but thought I'd ask here also. Please ignore #1 as I have determined that the updater is not needed. My sister has asked me to wipe out everything on the hard drive and reinstall Mac OS 9.2.2 plus Mac OS 10.4.11. Since it has been YEARS that I've done any OS 9 installs I have a few questions. 1. Before I start wiping and installing, I want to see if iMac Firmware Updater 4.1.9 needs to be installed. Is there an entry in Apple System Profiler that indicates this? 2. I plan on erasing the hard drive and have it zeroed. Since I know it will boot up into FireWire Target Disk Mode, I was planning on erasing the drive that way. Any problems doing it so? 3. Since I have a 9.2.2 install CD, I will boot from it to install Mac OS 9.2.2. However, how should I go about installing Mac OS 10.4? Boot from the DVD, or just do the install while the iMac is running on 9.2.2? I've never installed both OS 9.x and OS 10.x from scratch before. 4. Since I don't have any way to connect this old iMac to the Internet, is there any other way to run the Software Updaters for OS 9 OS 10? Perhaps by connecting it with an Ethernet cable to my PowerBook and sharing it's Internet connection? Any other advice would be welcome. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions
Dennis, My sister has asked me to wipe out everything on the hard drive and reinstall Mac OS 9.2.2 plus Mac OS 10.4.11. Since it has been YEARS that I've done any OS 9 installs I have a few questions. 2. I plan on erasing the hard drive and have it zeroed. Since I know it will boot up into FireWire Target Disk Mode, I was planning on erasing the drive that way. Any problems doing it so? Nope, no problems. I do this all the time. Depending on the size of the HD, zeroing could take a while... 3. Since I have a 9.2.2 install CD, I will boot from it to install Mac OS 9.2.2. However, how should I go about installing Mac OS 10.4? Boot from the DVD, or just do the install while the iMac is running on 9.2.2? I've never installed both OS 9.x and OS 10.x from scratch before. I don't think that the 10.4 installer will run in OS9. Best to boot from the DVD. If you're going to use OS9 in Classic mode, it would probably be better to install OSX first. 4. Since I don't have any way to connect this old iMac to the Internet, is there any other way to run the Software Updaters for OS 9 OS 10? Perhaps by connecting it with an Ethernet cable to my PowerBook and sharing it's Internet connection? That'll work. I do that all the time. On your Powerbook, just go into the Sharing preferences, and turn on Internet sharing from Airport to Ethernet. Make sure that both computers are set to DHCP. Be sure to turn it off when your'e done, because it can cause networking problems. This works OK sharing internet to OS9, but it's harder to get OS9 to connect up to the internet while doing this. Any other advice would be welcome. If you can, max out the RAM. It'll run so much better, and your sister will never regret it. Especially if you're going to be running OS9 in Classic mode. Elliott -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions
Dennis B. Swaney so eloquently wrote: 3. Since I have a 9.2.2 install CD, I will boot from it to install Mac OS 9.2.2. However, how should I go about installing Mac OS 10.4? Boot from the DVD, or just do the install while the iMac is running on 9.2.2? I've never installed both OS 9.x and OS 10.x from scratch before. 4. Since I don't have any way to connect this old iMac to the Internet, is there any other way to run the Software Updaters for OS 9 OS 10? Perhaps by connecting it with an Ethernet cable to my PowerBook and sharing it's Internet connection? Any other advice would be welcome. Don't forget to partition the drive while you're in Disk Utility after you zero it out. Internet sharing has never worked for me as easily as it seems it should be. Be sure to turn off the firewall in the Sharing or Security preference pane (depending on OS version). Whenever I've used internet sharing I've always ended up having to futz with it, sorry I can't be more specific than that. You could also just disconnect your PowerBook and connect the iMac directly, that might actually be easier. Another way to go would be to get a router, not only does that allow you to connect more than one computer to the internet it also provides a hardware firewall. Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions
On 07/09/10 10:12PDT, Dan wrote: At 10:02 AM -0700 9/6/2010, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: My sister has asked me to wipe out everything on the hard drive and reinstall Mac OS 9.2.2 plus Mac OS 10.4.11. Since it has been YEARS that I've done any OS 9 installs I have a few questions. 2. I plan on erasing the hard drive and have it zeroed. Since I know it will boot up into FireWire Target Disk Mode, I was planning on erasing the drive that way. Any problems doing it so? That's fine. But since you need to boot on the OS X DVD, why not just use Disk Utility from it? 3. Since I have a 9.2.2 install CD, I will boot from it to install Mac OS 9.2.2. However, how should I go about installing Mac OS 10.4? Boot from the DVD, or just do the install while the iMac is running on 9.2.2? I've never installed both OS 9.x and OS 10.x from scratch before. When you initialize the disk, be sure to include the OS 9 drivers - if you want to boot on OS 9. Otherwise all you can do with the OS 9 installation is use it as Classic mode under Tiger. Boot on the OS X DVD and install Tiger. Boot on Tiger. Insert the OS 9 disc and run that installer. 4. Since I don't have any way to connect this old iMac to the Internet, is there any other way to run the Software Updaters for OS 9 OS 10? Perhaps by connecting it with an Ethernet cable to my PowerBook and sharing it's Internet connection? Internet connection sharing would work just fine. Sharing system preferences, Internet tab. It will turn your PowerBook into a router for a while... Thanks for the info, Dan. I haven't tried booting from the Tiger disc yet, but I'll give it a go. Another decision is should I partition the drive and put Tiger on one and OS 9 on the other, or should I just leave the 40 GB drive as 1? -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
