Re: multiple gmail accounts: smtp and expiry
Sivaram Neelakantan nsivaram@gmail.com writes: On Tue, Apr 17 2012,Richard Riley wrote: [snipped 19 lines] And if people have better ideas, they'd correct it on the wiki. Except in reality they don't. Mutiple smtp accounts has numerous solutions - some which do and some which dont work with multiple gmail accounts and the latest Gnus and for someone not familiar with elisp to True. You at least know what didn't work. :-) In addition the msmtp solution is not nice since (a) its external to emacs/gnus and (b) passwords are kept in clear text as opposed to the much more preferablie .authinfo.gpg. Possibly there is some cleaver way around that but I dont know. [snipped 6 lines] sivaram -- ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: multiple gmail accounts: smtp and expiry
Sivaram Neelakantan nsivaram@gmail.com writes: On Sat, Apr 14 2012,George McNinch wrote: Hi, To the extent that this is useful, I thought I'd share some idea(s)/solution(s) to issues related to smtp and expiry for multiple gmail accounts in gnus. Nice. If I may be bold enough to request, why don't you put this up in emacswiki? All I did for GnusMSMTP link in wiki was simply write down stuff similar to way you'd done here. It took me 10m to figure things out on the wiki. [snipped 113 lines] And if people have better ideas, they'd correct it on the wiki. Except in reality they don't. Mutiple smtp accounts has numerous solutions - some which do and some which dont work with multiple gmail accounts and the latest Gnus and for someone not familiar with elisp to a high level its pretty complicated. Thsi issue has been here for a while, the fact its raised regularly is proof of the pudding, and I believe the developers intend to get Gnus working with multiple smtp accounts from the base gnus using the authinfo files at some stage. Perhaps already done - I dont know. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: How hide the seconds in article header's date?
Damien Wyart damien.wy...@free.fr writes: * Guilherme Gondim seme...@taurinus.org in gnu.emacs.gnus: How can I hide the seconds from the article headers? Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 18:34:33 +0300 (2 days, 6 hours, 28 seconds ago) ^^ These two settings did the trick for me: (setq gnus-article-date-headers 'original) (setq gnus-article-update-date-headers nil) That removes the lapsed altogether. I think the direction was more to keep lapsed (not animated) but not include seconds or? e.g combined-lapsed without the seconds would be nice. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: citation line above or below body?
Philipp Haselwarter philipp.haselwar...@gmx.de writes: G == Gary g...@garydjones.name writes: G Eric Abrahamsen wrote: When I reply to messages and cite the original, point ends up below the citation line. This leads to weird threads, where my text ends up right below the so-and-so wrote: line G What do you mean? That you then type where the cursor is? You can G always move it down, you know :) In fact I would encourage you to do G so. That's the point. Moving down manually every time is a bit of a pain if you just want to quote and start typing. ---8---[snipped 19 lines]---8--- Its this way on purpose I would guess to encourage people to snip and to review context. Some, (including you ;)), tend to snip too much. Others, me ;), tend to not snip enough. When reading this post I didnt even understand it at first as I thought the cursor was indeed at the end - it isnt of course : I have been hitting M- for so long it was second nature! ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: citation line above or below body?
Philipp Haselwarter philipp.haselwar...@gmx.de writes: ---8---[snipped 27 lines: everything :p]---8--- Well I tend to leave in just the parts I'm directly answering/referring to, which is usually the outermost level of citation. If someone wants to follow a thread, he can do just that - read the thread. When the whole conversation is quoted each time, it just gets messy, IMHO. Agreed and no one said the lot should be left : hence the cursor position at the top to encourage reread and snipping. Something I do tend to do but forget as well , not often but it happens - as do most people at some stage. And as you're saying yourself Richard, people just get fed up with having to «cherrypick» through every message and simply M-, quoting the whole thing. Feel free to disagree if you prefer a different approach, I'm always curious! No one would disagree that courteous snipping is a boon! Overly snipping is a hindrance in many groups were people dont keep a local copy and things can expire though. If any part of a reply refers to something snipped it is, of course, somewhat annoying to have to traverse the thread tree to see what it might be referring to. All in all I think we agree. The main crux of my comment though, which you snipped ;), was the part about *why* the cursor is where it is. I think it makes sense. In this case you oversnipped and for my comments to make sense I need to put some context back in :- I originally said this:- , | Its this way on purpose I would guess to encourage people to snip and to | review context. ` The one thing I must admit I dont like is the non standard supercite or whatever its called - I find the insertion of the authors initials on the left hand side totally non standard and very busy on the eyes - it almost drags your attention away from the thread itself. But all to their own. regards r. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: EasyPG versus Mailcrypt in Emacs 23
Philipp Haselwarter philipp.haselwar...@gmx.de writes: I fear I still don't get your question, but that might be due to the fact that I've never used mailcrypt. All I do when I want to read an encrypted mail is select it in the summary. Then I usually get prompted if I want to decrypt the PGP part and enter my passphrase. For sending encrypted mail I use C-c RET C-e to run `mml-secure-message-sign-encrypt'. Always an interesting subject, but please dont snip all relevant content in your reply - it can then be hard to keep context. My understanding is that mailcrypt (the first system I used courtesy of the Emacs wiki a while back) is pretty much defunct and unsupported and epg is the way to go. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: read mail in mbox files
Glyn Millington wistansw...@linuxmail.org writes: Richard Riley rile...@googlemail.com writes: Glyn Millington wistansw...@linuxmail.org writes: Richard Riley rile...@googlemail.com writes: a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:51:54 +0100, Richard wrote: Why is this a spool directory? The word spool is throwing me. I thought spool meant it was spooled to you and then stored in a backend .. like nnml. A (news)spool in news-related terms is usually where the articles are stored in a newsserver (the meaning used here). A mail-spool is usually where mail is stored locally until the user fetches it (/var/mail or /var/spool/mail). In the documentation nnml is described as the backend that most closely resembles a newsspool, so that is probably where the choice of word comes from. And perhaps also some of the confusion. I think in the context it's incorrect but wouldnt put my mortgage on it ... nnml-directory is not a spool really : the var/spool source is. And checking values now, I see, and amazingly confusing, that , | Its value is ~/.emacs.d/Mail/archive ` How I dont know as I set (setq nnml-directory ~/Mail) bah ;) I need to start all over again ... Hi Richard, Here's a snip from my .gnus file. It may be totally irrelevant, becasue I have een smewhat confused by this discussion!! - but it may help ;-) --8---cut here---start-8--- ;, ;| MAIL SETTINGS AND MAIL SORTING - ;` ; nnml is, as you know a mail backend - the nnml (I wonder if nnml stand ; for Not NorMaL) format is what results when gnus grabs mail from the ; two mail sources below. I use getmail to dump all my mail into ; /home/glyn/Mail/inbox; system mail goes to /var/spool/mail/glyn. gnus ; grabs mail from both sources, I assume transmogrifies it by elisp-magic ; into nnml format, and then shoves it through my fancy-splitting ; set-up. (Just a fraction of that here!) I read the mail from the groups ; created by the fancy splitting - SLACKLIST, FREEBSD, FVWM etc etc (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml )) mail-sources ((file :path /home/glyn/Mail/inbox) (file :path /var/spool/mail/glyn))) Thanks for the examples. its amazing how many different ways people get this going. My dummy question of the minute here is:- mail-sources : how does nnml know its got control of them? What about other mail backends? I don't use any other mail backends. Are you wanting to use more than one? I do : nnml and nnimap. Maybe not a good idea. But somehow, in a galaxy far far away, I was under the impression that nnml was the easiest way to get local system email (root/cron jobs etc). The rest I sync with gmail via offlineimap. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: read mail in mbox files
Richard Riley rile...@googlemail.com writes: a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:29:36 +0100, Richard wrote: a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:46:44 +0100, Richard wrote: So what format? Maildir? No, that would be nnmaildir. nnmaildir is a format? I thought it was a back end that fed on Maildir? Possibly silly wording issues only. I dont know at times. Yes, the backend that uses the Maildir format is nnmaildir; that was what I was trying to say. So the format *was* Maildir. The format of what? The format used by nnml is surely is not Maildir. If you want to access something in the Maildir format, you should use nnmaildir. Which is what I was trying to say, and what I - frankly - thought we agreed on. I guess not. Aha : that was a misread. I thought you were offering nnmaildir as another option. You must have configured something else to point to ~/.emacs.d/Mail. Perhaps your archive method? I think you are staring at one thing in your configuration and ignoring all the other stuff, which might actually the cause of what you are seeing :-) What you see is there is my nnml config. I have nothing else. You could be missing something ;-) [...] Nothing else nnml in my init.el or my custom.el. So nothing in your entire Emacs configuration mentions ~/.emacs.d/ or ~/.emacs.d/Mail? Nothing with regard to nnml ... Maybe I am being overly optimistic to think that setting nnml-directory to ~/Mail is enough to ensure that nnml is in , err, ~/Mail ;) When its working perfectly I'll come back .. problem solved. gnus-message-archive-method was, as documented, expanded into real methods in the .newsrc.eld. gnus-update-message-archive-method was set to t but this does not alter the archive methods in the newsrc if you alter something like nnml-directory. I removed the offending parts of the .newsrc.eld by hand (always hairy) and now have it all clean as a whistle. Oh yes, one other typo cause an issue : nndraft-directory works better than nndrafts-directory ... ;) ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: read mail in mbox files
Richard Riley rile...@googlemail.com writes: gnus-update-message-archive-method was set to t but this does not alter the archive methods in the newsrc if you alter something like nnml-directory. I removed the offending parts of the .newsrc.eld by hand (always hairy) and now have it all clean as a whistle. Oh yes, one other typo cause an issue : nndraft-directory works better than nndrafts-directory ... ;) I spoke too soon. drafts are now defaulting to ~/.emacs.d/drafts/drafts I removed any nndraft parts of my .newsrc.eld and have (setq nndraft-directory ~/Mail) in my init. Scuppered once again. Any ideas welcome. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: read mail in mbox files
Leonidas Tsampros ltsamp...@upnet.gr writes: Richard Riley rile...@googlemail.com writes: ernest nfdi...@gmail.com writes: Hi, This is my setup: I use fetchmail to get mail from different POP/IMAP servers, then split the incoming mail with procmail into different mbox files in ~/Mail. What I'd like is gnus to work directly on these mbox files. Is this possible? What backend do I need? I'd say I don't even want a backend, because I don't want to copy mail anywhere! Frankly, I'm a bit confused :/ Cheers, Ernest You're not alone! This is *probably* the nnml backend. (setq gnus-select-method '(nnml nnml)) That said I dont know for sure ;) I mention it because the default is ~/Mail. But a point : despite using Gnus for a few years now I am not clear on what incoming mail means in the context. Possibly it looks in /var/spool/mail. But since your mail is already there, I dunno. Best of luck! If I understand correctly 'incoming mail' in this context means that Gnus will use ~/Mail as a directory from which he will get and 'digest' email to the selected mail (nnml) backend. I have no idea : it seems to get it from the spool. There are no concrete examples that I can find. I remember experimenting with these two here: (setq mail-source-delete-incoming t) (setq mail-sources '((directory :path ~/Mail :suffix ))) ~/Mail is a default. I am pretty sure (thats a euphemism meaning I am happy to remain in ignorance as it works for me) that nnml reads incoming from the spool /var/spool and then stores them in mbox (or whatever?!?) in ~/Mail. Asking for examples has generally been unsuccessful - I just know I dont have any nnfolder thingies. Just that nnml select. But here we see an issue with the docs. nnml? Also FWIW, I see the same Qs every day in #emacs pretty much : most people tend to revert to mutt ;( Sometimes its nice to know one is not alone. Setting the suffix Gnus will digest only the mbox-es with that suffix in the filename. As long as mail-source-delete-incoming is nil, I think you are safe (as the original mbox-es will be intact). That said (to the OP), in order to get Gnus read your ~/Mail directly, you will have to use the nnfolder backend I think. I'm sure I have tried successfully the nnfolder sometime in the past as I had the exact same setup as yours. Don't forget to BACKUP your email. I bear no responsibility etc etc. Ultimately I ended up with nnml+fancy splitting+mail sources removing procmail from the equation completely. I think that I ended up with a much more versatile setup. I used to use fancy splitting but cant get it working with spam-split with nognus anymore. Calls for a working config haven't been successful ;( Gnus is great. Just getting it working can be a .. hurdle ... ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: read mail in mbox files
Gary g...@garydjones.name writes: Funny. I didn't see the OP. Anyway... Richard Riley wrote: ernest nfdi...@gmail.com writes: Hi, This is my setup: I use fetchmail to get mail from different POP/IMAP servers, then split the incoming mail with procmail into different mbox files in ~/Mail. What I'd like is gnus to work directly on these mbox files. Is this possible? What backend do I need? I'd say I don't even want a backend, because I don't want to copy mail anywhere! You're not alone! This is *probably* the nnml backend. (setq gnus-select-method '(nnml nnml)) That said I dont know for sure ;) I asked something similar before, but never really got anything that worked so asked on the other gnus list (basically, the dev list). Leonidas Tsampros said the following: ,[ Leonidas Tsampros ] | My primary select methos is a local university nntp server we have and | as the secondary methods I have the following: | | (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml ) | (nnimap 10.6.0.20))) | | Then I have these in my .conf: | | (setq nnml-directory ~/Mail.Gnus) | (setq mail-source-delete-incoming t) | | (setq mail-sources '((directory :path ~/Mail | :suffix ))) | | So, Emacs now reads all Mail on all mboxes under ~/Mail, and 'ingests' | them into the nnml backend which is under ~/Mail.Gnus. Now at this | point and in order to emulate procmail's behaviour, I use fancy | splitting: | | ;; fancy mail splitting | (setq nnmail-resplit-incoming t) | (setq nnmail-split-methods 'nnmail-split-fancy) | (setq nnmail-split-fancy | '(| |(list-id ding\\.gnus\\.org mail.gnus.ding))) ` But, rather embarassingly, I haven't had time to try it out yet. But a point : despite using Gnus for a few years now I am not clear on what incoming mail means in the context. Possibly it looks in /var/spool/mail. But since your mail is already there, I dunno. Does the above help, Richard? Yes No ;( It doesnt use spam-split. But it DOES explain the incoming and nnml backend better! Had it mentioned how and why ~/Mail got its mail (system mail) all the better. But a good set up. Potentially I suppose one could do away with procmail, and set mail-sources to /var/spool/mail, and it will end up split into Thats my current set up. ~/Mail.Gnus. @ernest I'd be very happy if you posted the results of whatever you do, as I have a similar current setup to you, and the same desire to read my email in mbox files using gnus. I'm interested why mbox? You mean existing mbox? ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: read mail in mbox files
a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:41:04 +0100, Richard wrote: ~/Mail is a default. I am pretty sure (thats a euphemism meaning I am happy to remain in ignorance as it works for me) that nnml reads incoming from the spool /var/spool and then stores them in mbox (or whatever?!?) in ~/Mail. nnml does not store in mbox format: ,[ 6.3.13.3 Mail Spool http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_194.html#SEC194 ] | | If you use this back end, Gnus will split all incoming mail into files, | one file for each mail, and put the articles into the corresponding | directories under the directory specified by the nnml-directory | variable. The default value is `~/Mail/'. So what format? Maildir? What is a nnaml-directory? Maybe I'm overthinking it. But nnml? My comments are also reflective of the times we see the same questions here and in #emacs : clearly it isnt at all clear. If I could understand what it is I would love to have a stab at explaining it better. As it is nnfolder, nnml and some others seem to be some sort of abstract gnus only concepts. Please don't misunderstand my stance is negative per.se - I'm just voicing the difficulties and many others find trying to configure gnus. When you know it and understand it then .. you understand it. But without a good gnus knowledge its hard to even get started. | |[...] | | If you have a strict limit as to how many files you are allowed to store | in your account, you should not use this back end. As each mail gets its | own file, you might very well occupy thousands of inodes within a few | weeks. If this is no problem for you, and it isn't a problem for you | having your friendly systems administrator walking around, madly, | shouting Who is eating all my inodes?! Who? Who!?!, then you should | know that this is probably the fastest format to use. You do not have to | trudge through a big mbox file just to read your new mail. | ` If the original poster wants to keep procmail splitting mail into ~/Mail/ then nnml definitely is not the answer (as nnml assumes that Gnus is the only one writing to nnml-groups). That makes some sense. But here we see an issue with the docs. nnml? Suggest improvements to http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_194.html#SEC194 and http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_202.html#SEC202 ? One cant improve it if one doesnt know what something is;) What is nnml? If i was to start I think some sort of overview of Linux/*IX mail would go a long way. e.g What IS incoming mail? It might seem obvious to some but it really isn't to many. Is incoming mail in /var/spool? What about if the system is configured to deliver mail locally e.g to ~/Mail? How does that work with nnml backend? At some point in the future I intend to wipe my mail setup and start again from scratch starting with my Linux system email as I call it : ie locally delivered from root etc. Its still not working properly for me. When I do I hope to log the steps and provide an explanation better suited for new adopters. I used to use fancy splitting but cant get it working with spam-split with nognus anymore. Calls for a working config haven't been successful ;( I don't use IMAP, so I can't give any other examples than the ones already posted. Most of the major nognus changes have been imap related. Best regards, Adam -- ☘ http://www.shamrockirishbar.com, http://splash-of-open-sauce.blogspot.com/ http://www.richardriley.net ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: read mail in mbox files
Gary g...@garydjones.name writes: Funny. I didn't see the OP. Anyway... Richard Riley wrote: ernest nfdi...@gmail.com writes: Hi, This is my setup: I use fetchmail to get mail from different POP/IMAP servers, then split the incoming mail with procmail into different mbox files in ~/Mail. What I'd like is gnus to work directly on these mbox files. Is this possible? What backend do I need? I'd say I don't even want a backend, because I don't want to copy mail anywhere! You're not alone! This is *probably* the nnml backend. (setq gnus-select-method '(nnml nnml)) That said I dont know for sure ;) I asked something similar before, but never really got anything that worked so asked on the other gnus list (basically, the dev list). Leonidas Tsampros said the following: ,[ Leonidas Tsampros ] | My primary select methos is a local university nntp server we have and | as the secondary methods I have the following: | | (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml ) | (nnimap 10.6.0.20))) | | Then I have these in my .conf: | | (setq nnml-directory ~/Mail.Gnus) Q: My setting is: , | nnml-directory is a variable defined in `nnml.el'. | Its value is ~/.emacs.d/Mail/ | | Documentation: | Spool directory for the nnml mail backend. | | This is a Gnus server variable. See Info node `(gnus)Select Methods'. ` Why is this a spool directory? The word spool is throwing me. I thought spool meant it was spooled to you and then stored in a backend .. like nnml. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: read mail in mbox files
a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:51:54 +0100, Richard wrote: Why is this a spool directory? The word spool is throwing me. I thought spool meant it was spooled to you and then stored in a backend .. like nnml. A (news)spool in news-related terms is usually where the articles are stored in a newsserver (the meaning used here). A mail-spool is usually where mail is stored locally until the user fetches it (/var/mail or /var/spool/mail). In the documentation nnml is described as the backend that most closely resembles a newsspool, so that is probably where the choice of word comes from. And perhaps also some of the confusion. I think in the context it's incorrect but wouldnt put my mortgage on it ... nnml-directory is not a spool really : the var/spool source is. And checking values now, I see, and amazingly confusing, that , | Its value is ~/.emacs.d/Mail/archive ` How I dont know as I set (setq nnml-directory ~/Mail) bah ;) I need to start all over again ... ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: read mail in mbox files
a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 14:59:40 +0100, Richard wrote: nnml does not store in mbox format: ,[ 6.3.13.3 Mail Spool http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_194.html#SEC194 ] | | If you use this back end, Gnus will split all incoming mail into files, | one file for each mail, and put the articles into the corresponding | directories under the directory specified by the nnml-directory | variable. The default value is `~/Mail/'. So what format? Maildir? No, that would be nnmaildir. nnmaildir is a format? I thought it was a back end that fed on Maildir? Possibly silly wording issues only. I dont know at times. nnml stores mail in its own format, call it nnml-format if you wish - i.e. each article in a file by itself and with a .overview and a .marks file for each group. What is a nnaml-directory? nnml-directory is where the email (files and directories) are stored. Maybe I'm overthinking it. Or under-, I dunno... ;-) Heh ... But nnml? What about nnml? It's just the name of a backend to store email in. My comments are also reflective of the times we see the same questions here and in #emacs : clearly it isnt at all clear. You'll need to say _what_ isn't clear. I think I have but not in a single coherent post. My mistake for butterflying back and forth. mea culpa. As it is nnfolder, nnml and some others seem to be some sort of abstract gnus only concepts. Abstract is perhaps a little much, but they are Gnus concepts (backends). What did you imagine they were? I'm just voicing the difficulties and many others find trying to configure gnus. That is fine, but I find it very hard to understand what exactly it is you don't comprehend, so my attempts at helping are quite feeble, I'm afraid. And I fully understand : I am not communicating my poor understanding well as I'm -- confused ;) One cant improve it if one doesnt know what something is;) What is nnml? I just quoted you half of the page in the manual that answers that question, and even included the link: http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_194.html#SEC194 - what else do you need? (I'm not being sarcastic, I actually want your answer.) What I didnt understand is it proclaiming that its the Mail Spool. Its not. Its ONE such. And whether its even a spool is questionable keeping in mind it defaults to fetching mail from the system spool. Possibly that was the catalyst that started my confusion. Possibly that explains where I was getting lost a little. I must admit the mist is clearing : I will be the first to admit I was lost in a cloud of my own confusion there for a while. But whats not helping me is something like this (setq gnus-select-method '(nnml nnml)) (setq nndrafts-directory ~/Mail) (setq nnml-directory ~/Mail) and then starting Gnus and finding TWO Mail dirs. one in ~ and the other in .emacs.d. The ~/Mail is fine : it shows an active file and a mail dir. The one in .emacs has similar and ALSO an incomingX file. Examining the value of nnml-directory it tells me the value is ... ~/.emacs.d/Mail/archive. Its at this point my eyes start to mist over ... Thanks for taking the time to hand hold! ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: read mail in mbox files
a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:46:44 +0100, Richard wrote: So what format? Maildir? No, that would be nnmaildir. nnmaildir is a format? I thought it was a back end that fed on Maildir? Possibly silly wording issues only. I dont know at times. Yes, the backend that uses the Maildir format is nnmaildir; that was what I was trying to say. So the format *was* Maildir. See how easy terminology cam confuse ;) Maildir often confuses others news to Gnus because of the worry about direct Maildir access to the Maildir folders compromising Dovecot which stores in Maildir but offers an imap interface. But thats a side issue. [...] What I didnt understand is it proclaiming that its the Mail Spool. It is because you seem to only accept one use of the word spool. Think of it as a news spool just with mail in it, instead of a mail spool as in /var/spool/mail/. Yes, that might help -- Sometimes it is more apparant than other times that Gnus originated as a newsreader :-) Very true. [...] But whats not helping me is something like this (setq gnus-select-method '(nnml nnml)) (setq nndrafts-directory ~/Mail) (setq nnml-directory ~/Mail) and then starting Gnus and finding TWO Mail dirs. one in ~ and the other in .emacs.d. You must have configured something else to point to ~/.emacs.d/Mail. Perhaps your archive method? I think you are staring at one thing in your configuration and ignoring all the other stuff, which might actually the cause of what you are seeing :-) What you see is there is my nnml config. I have nothing else. All the rest is imap related. I have no default archive settings either. Nothing else nnml in my init.el or my custom.el. As I said, the mist has cleared a little. Yes the words to clarify it are there but buried deep amongst complex gnus only terminology - and I'm no Gnus nOOb ... I just sometimes feel like it.. Now to figure out where .emacs.d/Mail is coming from. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: read mail in mbox files
Glyn Millington wistansw...@linuxmail.org writes: Richard Riley rile...@googlemail.com writes: a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:51:54 +0100, Richard wrote: Why is this a spool directory? The word spool is throwing me. I thought spool meant it was spooled to you and then stored in a backend .. like nnml. A (news)spool in news-related terms is usually where the articles are stored in a newsserver (the meaning used here). A mail-spool is usually where mail is stored locally until the user fetches it (/var/mail or /var/spool/mail). In the documentation nnml is described as the backend that most closely resembles a newsspool, so that is probably where the choice of word comes from. And perhaps also some of the confusion. I think in the context it's incorrect but wouldnt put my mortgage on it ... nnml-directory is not a spool really : the var/spool source is. And checking values now, I see, and amazingly confusing, that , | Its value is ~/.emacs.d/Mail/archive ` How I dont know as I set (setq nnml-directory ~/Mail) bah ;) I need to start all over again ... Hi Richard, Here's a snip from my .gnus file. It may be totally irrelevant, becasue I have een smewhat confused by this discussion!! - but it may help ;-) --8---cut here---start-8--- ;, ;| MAIL SETTINGS AND MAIL SORTING - ;` ; nnml is, as you know a mail backend - the nnml (I wonder if nnml stand ; for Not NorMaL) format is what results when gnus grabs mail from the ; two mail sources below. I use getmail to dump all my mail into ; /home/glyn/Mail/inbox; system mail goes to /var/spool/mail/glyn. gnus ; grabs mail from both sources, I assume transmogrifies it by elisp-magic ; into nnml format, and then shoves it through my fancy-splitting ; set-up. (Just a fraction of that here!) I read the mail from the groups ; created by the fancy splitting - SLACKLIST, FREEBSD, FVWM etc etc (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml )) mail-sources '((file :path /home/glyn/Mail/inbox) (file :path /var/spool/mail/glyn))) Thanks for the examples. its amazing how many different ways people get this going. My dummy question of the minute here is:- mail-sources : how does nnml know its got control of them? What about other mail backends? The docs say the mail *backends* look there. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: read mail in mbox files
a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:29:36 +0100, Richard wrote: a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:46:44 +0100, Richard wrote: So what format? Maildir? No, that would be nnmaildir. nnmaildir is a format? I thought it was a back end that fed on Maildir? Possibly silly wording issues only. I dont know at times. Yes, the backend that uses the Maildir format is nnmaildir; that was what I was trying to say. So the format *was* Maildir. The format of what? The format used by nnml is surely is not Maildir. If you want to access something in the Maildir format, you should use nnmaildir. Which is what I was trying to say, and what I - frankly - thought we agreed on. I guess not. Aha : that was a misread. I thought you were offering nnmaildir as another option. You must have configured something else to point to ~/.emacs.d/Mail. Perhaps your archive method? I think you are staring at one thing in your configuration and ignoring all the other stuff, which might actually the cause of what you are seeing :-) What you see is there is my nnml config. I have nothing else. You could be missing something ;-) [...] Nothing else nnml in my init.el or my custom.el. So nothing in your entire Emacs configuration mentions ~/.emacs.d/ or ~/.emacs.d/Mail? Nothing with regard to nnml ... Maybe I am being overly optimistic to think that setting nnml-directory to ~/Mail is enough to ensure that nnml is in , err, ~/Mail ;) When its working perfectly I'll come back .. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: nnimap problems
Jim Burton j...@sdf-eu.org writes: Hi, I am using gnus Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) with the Arch Linux package. I'm using this because I read that it has many improvements in nnimap. My emacs is GNU Emacs 23.2.1. I have two nnimap groups, and quite often (several times per day) refreshing all groups hangs on one of those groups, or if I refrsh one of those groups alone, it also hangs quite a lot. I can cancel, try again, and I get through. Another issue I have is that sometimes when I start gnus these groups are checked as normal but apparently have no messages. I know this is unlikely, so refresh them again, and there are messages there. When I use wanderlust, both of these mail servers are pretty responsive. Is IMAP still best done with a local Dovecot installation or I am I doing something wrong? It occured to me that connections might be timing out somewhere and `dead' handles being used? In case it helps you locate the issue, using nognus from git, and local dovecot I have no such issues. (emacs 23 and 24). ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: nnimap and other clients
Yuri D'Elia wav...@users.sf.net writes: Hi everyone. I noticed that if I move a message among folders (via another imap client) Gnus doesn't pick up the change (and doesn't seem to notice the different article count anyway). Is there a way to regenerate such caches? Is there a way to make this automatic (in case other clients modify imap folders)? Thanks How is your gnus accessing your mail? If its imap it'll see the correct folders and articles : in my case I sync using offliniemap between about 5 machines with no issues. If I move on one, offlineimap syncs my local dovecot with remote gmail and the other clients, in turn, sync gmail to their local dovecot. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: read mail in mbox files
ernest nfdi...@gmail.com writes: Hi, This is my setup: I use fetchmail to get mail from different POP/IMAP servers, then split the incoming mail with procmail into different mbox files in ~/Mail. What I'd like is gnus to work directly on these mbox files. Is this possible? What backend do I need? I'd say I don't even want a backend, because I don't want to copy mail anywhere! Frankly, I'm a bit confused :/ Cheers, Ernest You're not alone! This is *probably* the nnml backend. (setq gnus-select-method '(nnml nnml)) That said I dont know for sure ;) I mention it because the default is ~/Mail. But a point : despite using Gnus for a few years now I am not clear on what incoming mail means in the context. Possibly it looks in /var/spool/mail. But since your mail is already there, I dunno. Best of luck! ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: pgg passphrase cache expiry not honored?
Brett Viren brett.vi...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Brett Viren brett.vi...@gmail.com wrote: I want to move to GPG signed email with GNUS v5.13 / emacs 23.2. It seems the best way to do that is with PGG but am having trouble telling it to cache my GPG passphrase longer than the default which is only a few seconds. Just for closure, I found a work-around and that is to rely on gpg-agent to cache the passphrase instead of PGG/Gnus. Here is what led me to this solution: http://www.gnus.org/manual/message_27.html -Brett. I'm not sure why this is a workaround : its what gpg-agent is for. Its handy because it can provide the keys for other activities outside of emacs too. You might also consider using keychain. In my .bash_env I have keychain --quiet source $HOME/.keychain/$HOSTNAME-sh-gpg /dev/null 21 ans my gpg-conf is simple use-agent cheers r. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: my vs maildir
Philipp Haselwarter philipp.haselwar...@gmx.de writes: On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 22:10:30 +0100, Richard Riley rile...@googlemail.com said: ---8---[snipped 28 lines]---8--- RR other machines can talk to it (if you want) e.g your dev machine on RR the desk could have the router routing imap to it so you can read RR your email from anywhere in the word. Just another open port, another socket you're blasting your passwords through. If you set up dovecot properly to use imaps, I guess you should Its encrypted. Not an issue. And using different ports is nothing more than a placebo against any serious hacker. You either trust these services or you dont. I do. Risk v Gain etc. be good. But I think the shell method is preferable to plain auth. For you LAN: wrap ssh around the dovecot command. That being said - I also still run dovecot as server: for offlineimap. Dno if offlineimap could do without a server, guess I'll have to take a look. Anyone? I cant think of a single valid reason to not run it as a server tbh. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: my vs maildir
Brett Viren brett.vi...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Philipp Haselwarter philipp.haselwar...@gmx.de wrote: That being said - I also still run dovecot as server: for offlineimap. Dno if offlineimap could do without a server, guess I'll have to take a look. It can. Here is an example of IMAP-to-IMAP sync using direct calls instead of server connections. The remote goes through SSH. [Repository LocalIMAP] type = IMAP preauthtunnel = MAIL=maildir:$HOME/Maildir /usr/lib/dovecot/imap holdconnectionopen = yes [Repository RemoteIMAP] type = IMAP remotehost = localhost #use SSH tunnel remoteuser = USERNAME preauthtunnel = ssh -q REMOTEHOST 'MAIL=maildir:$HOME/Maildir /usr/lib/dovecot/imap' maxconnections = 3 Adjust as appropriate. -Brett. Out of idle curiosity, Why do you need to specifiy Maildir paths or even MAIL settings? If its IMAP just talk through IMAP the underlying storage should be of no interest to the client. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: my vs maildir
prad p...@towardsfreedom.com writes:
Richard Riley rile...@googlemail.com writes:
Here's an extract from my
dovecot.conf : this iis the thing that provides the indexing.
,
| protocol imap {
| mail_plugins = fts fts_squat
| listen = *:143
| ssl_listen = *:993
| }
|
| plugin {
| fts = squat
| fts_squat = partial=4 full=10
| }
`
ok thx for this richard.
i have mairix working now (as per my other thread mairix problems), but
since i was unsuccessful with nnir i think i'll give this a try later. i
would like to see what it offers.
the only thing is it looks like i'll have to set the dovecot server
going again, which is not a problem and look into this fts_squat thing.
i downloaded nnir.el late last night and tried to byte compile it as
they suggested, but that didn't work.
downloaded it? it comes with gnus I think.
You did download nognus or not?
http://git.gnus.org/cgit/gnus.git/
Please note that you must call (gnus-load) e.g
,
| (load gnus-load) ;; Needed if using nognus.
| (setq Info-directory-list Info-default-directory-list)
| (add-to-list 'Info-directory-list ~/builds/src/gnus/texi/)
`
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Re: my vs maildir
David Brown dav...@davidb.org writes: On Mon, Jan 03 2011, Richard Riley wrote: Brett Viren brett.vi...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Philipp Haselwarter preauthtunnel = ssh -q REMOTEHOST 'MAIL=maildir:$HOME/Maildir /usr/lib/dovecot/imap' Out of idle curiosity, Why do you need to specifiy Maildir paths or even MAIL settings? If its IMAP just talk through IMAP the underlying storage should be of no interest to the client. When you invoke the imap server directly, it doesn't read any configuration files, and must be told what mail directories to serve. David Thats interesting. I would have thought there would be at least a switch (defaulting to true) which tells it to use the proper /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf. In fact that, or something similar, must exist or you would need to specify things like virtual users, legal authentication modes etc too. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: my vs maildir
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Re: my vs maildir
prad p...@towardsfreedom.com writes: Brett Viren brett.vi...@gmail.com writes: Two more things to consider: these ideas worked fantastically well, brett!! i'm not using procmail yet - have to figure out that one today because i want to do spam filtering with it ... right now with my new setup, i don't mind receiving spam though. :D certainly setting the myserv ties things together nicely. i was glad i'd figured out dovecot to be able to get in with minimal fuss, but thought it was a bit ironical that i'd need to do all this to get into my own files, so your imap without running a server was really great! i'm puzzled though as to why it actually works. i thought the idea was to have dovecot listen because a request to imap would come in, but the emacs entry: (setq imap-shell-program '(MAIL=maildir:$HOME/Maildir /usr/lib/dovecot/imap)) would seem to appear to run imap every time you access gnu - which i guess is the idea because you need to run it only once to get in. Possibly you could post your set up? I am a little confused now. You are running a local Dovecot? (on your machine or on a local server?). If that is so then set your select method to talk to that using nnimap. You then also don't need nnmairix. You can use dovecot's own indexing via nnir. You saying imap without running a server is the bit that throws me. regards r. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: my vs maildir
prad p...@towardsfreedom.com writes:
Richard Riley rile...@googlemail.com writes:
Possibly you could post your set up? I am a little confused now. You are
running a local Dovecot? (on your machine or on a local server?).
.emacs:
(setq imap-shell-program
'(MAIL=maildir:$HOME/Mail /usr/lib/dovecot/imap))
.gnus:
(setq gnus-parameters
'((Mail:.* ;^nnimap\\+Mail:INBOX
(gcc-self . t
(setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
'((nnimap Mail (nnimap-stream shell
those are the relevant parts to getting in with dovecot. there is no
dovecot running now which it was doing before and i had access to it
through .authinfo and my personal login data.
You then also don't need nnmairix. You can use dovecot's own indexing
via nnir.
i tried that last night, but haven't gotten it to work yet though it
looks pretty straight-forward to me. i may post questions later if i'm
not successful. however, i rather like mairix as indicated in my mairix
problems post and it may be more suitable as my emails grow - just
haven't gotten that to work fully either.
I doubt it will be since dovecot does the indexing for you as mails are
added. Mairix is then yet another piece in the jigsaw - I used to use it
but if Dovecot can index why not use that? Here's an extract from my
dovecot.conf : this iis the thing that provides the indexing.
,
| protocol imap {
| mail_plugins = fts fts_squat
| listen = *:143
| ssl_listen = *:993
| }
|
| plugin {
| fts = squat
| fts_squat = partial=4 full=10
| }
`
You saying imap without running a server is the bit that throws me.
ya that's the neat idea brett provided. it seems i can use imap from
dovecot without having a daemon running.
Why would you do that? The overhead of Dovecot running is pretty
low. Doing it that way you incur the overhead of startup. With it being
a server other programs like offlineimap can then talk to it when
fetching your email and then storing it locally in dovecot for your
email client to retrieve using imap.
Just some other ideas you might consider.
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Re: my vs maildir
Brett Viren brett.vi...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Richard Riley rile...@googlemail.com wrote: Why would you do that? The overhead of Dovecot running is pretty low. Doing it that way you incur the overhead of startup. With it being a server other programs like offlineimap can then talk to it when fetching your email and then storing it locally in dovecot for your email client to retrieve using imap. I've tried it both ways. The only noticeable difference to me is the lack of needing to provide authentication when imap is called directly. After start up I don't notice any speed or functionality difference compared to talking to it over a socket. Running a server when it is not actually needed is frowned upon where I work so there is that, somewhat intangible, benefit for me. If its company policy then yes I see. But really, the overhead is about zero. When its not needed it sits there consuming pretty much nothing as all such servers/daemons/services should. And of course the benefits are : offlineimap can talk to it with no special start and connect bootstrap other machines can talk to it (if you want) e.g your dev machine on the desk could have the router routing imap to it so you can read your email from anywhere in the word. That said I wasnt even aware of the reconnect and go shell method so its informative all round;) ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: my vs maildir
Philipp Haselwarter philipp.haselwar...@gmx.de writes: I'll never understand why people prefer spamming their inboxes over setting up a virtual group fed by 'inbox' and 'sent'... Could you outline the steps you use to do that please? ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: newbie splitting mail question
Tyler Smith tyler.sm...@eku.edu writes: Hi, I've just got gnus configured to read my mail via IMAP. Looks good, but I'm having trouble figuring out the syntax for splitting mail. Nothing gets split now, and when I run B q on any email, the message returned indicates it would be refiled to mail.misc, which doesn't exist as far as I can tell. I've pasted all of my gnus config details below. Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks, Tyler ;; loaded from my .emacs.d/init.el via (load ~/.emacs.d/gnus) (add-hook 'gnus-group-mode-hook 'gnus-topic-mode) (setq gnus-select-method '(nnimap mail (nnimap-address MY-IMAP-SERVER) (nnimap-stream network) (nnimap-authenticator login) (nnimap-port 143) (nnimap-split-methods '((INBOX.forwarded ^Received:.*OLD.SERVER) (INBOX.default ) (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nntp news.gmane.org))) (defun my-gnus-summary-hook () (local-set-key t 'gnus-summary-mark-as-processable)) (add-hook 'gnus-summary-mode-hook 'my-gnus-summary-hook) (setq gnus-posting-styles '((*; Matches all groups of messages (address my.email.addr...@myschool.edu) (name My Name (setq nnimap-split-inbox INBOX) (setq nnimap-split-predicate UNDELETED) I would be interested in this too. My imap splitting doesnt work with spam-split anymore. Unfortunately I haven't seen a working version posted ;( Did you try using, and excuse my poor elisp/gnus terminology, all globals instead of passing them to gnus-select-method? The manual isn't very clear about whats best or the differences. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: my vs maildir
prad p...@towardsfreedom.com writes: our imap server stores mail in maildir. i get them through claws-mail and save them locally as mh (because that's what claws does). however, i understand that with gnus i have a choice. is maildir preferable to mh as far as indexers are concerned? does gnus prefer working with maildir as well? (i recall reading that nnml is faster than nnmh though i don't know if that has anything to do with maildir). this exercise is to establish the local storage format for emails over several years so they can be indexed for the purpose of search and retrieval. Move them all into the imap server (dovecot for example). You could do that with Gnus! It does the indexing for you with fts_squat I think it is and nnir. I dont know the details, I just know it works well. Certainly less hassle than Mairix. How the imap server stores it should be immaterial to you I think. (Dovecot can and does store it as maildir but I cant comment on the advisability of accessing the dovecot maildir directly): then simply configure an IMAP connection to local host and/or remote imap host. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: nnimap and large attachments
Massimo Gengarelli genga...@cs.unibo.it writes: Hi, Is there a way to tell Gnus something like: Hey dude, whenever a mail has an attachment larger than 1MB do not download it unless I tell you to do that? Today I was doing some hard coding while I received a mail with an 8MB attachment and while trying to download it the whole Emacs got blocked (that's quite normal since Gnus is synchronous) for a few minutes.. that could be annoying :-P Regards, Massi This is another good reason to use offlineimap or something similar to download to a local dovecot server : in other words get something else better equipped to actually do the mail fetch. That said others were saying they use the gnus-demon to fetch their mail - I'm still not 100% sure if the demon just launches offlineimap/fetchmail for them or does the actual fetch asynchronously itself. There is also this:- http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Asynchronous-Fetching.html But whether this applies to email servers I'm not sure. It seems very nntp orientated. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Error in (info (gnus)Splitting Mail)
Tommy Kelly tommy.ke...@verilab.com writes: Richard, small and possibly irelevant point. You said: (setq nnimap-inbox '(INBOX)) ... I get some form of sequencep errors I think it is. My equivalent is: (setq nnimap-inbox INBOX) I believe that nnimap-innbox can nowadays be a list, but I don't think it was always so (the docs certainly implied, at one point, that there could be only one group). Since you only have a single entry there it might be worth trying it as a simple string. Tommy Yes, I had tried the simpler form too. I'm wondering if anyone is using spam-split with imap at this stage. I have the same setup for nnmail - just a different default split destination and that seems ok. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: author of post and signature problems
prad p...@towardsfreedom.com writes: Richard Riley rile...@googlemail.com writes: Possibly try doing a delayed post or unplugged. That might show you if its Gnus or the server. hi richard! nice to hear from you especially since it was primarily your post on emacs.help that prompted me to go with gnus! Good to hear. Gnus is hard work at times but its worth it. Stick with it. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus and new mail notification
Yuri D'Elia wav...@users.sf.net writes: On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 00:19:42 +0100, Richard Riley wrote: As soon as you use splitting or virtual groups, an external process becomes useless (for instance, I have several rules that split messages into groups that I ignore). Not if you dont use the demon and then split when you hit g. In other words you only fetch your mail when gnubiff or something similar tells you that you have new mail. Concrete example: if splitting includes spam rules, gnubiff will notify you of spam too. Yes that is most certainly true. Since I use googlemail I'm kind of spoiled as their spam filtering server side is pretty good these days (that and my spam-split set up doesnt work anymore on NoGnus) and so I turned off client side spam-splitting. regards r. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Error in (info (gnus)Splitting Mail)
Ted Zlatanov t...@lifelogs.com writes: On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 09:53:14 -0600 Tommy Kelly tommy.ke...@verilab.com wrote: TK All that said. I'm new here and have invested a mere fraction of the TK hours in this project that y'all have. So don't hesitate to pat me on TK the head and say S! The grown-ups are speaking. :-) Nah, that would be condescending. We do passive-aggressive :) Seriously, your feedback is appreciated. You have invested a lot of time fighting features and jargon that are implied or learned for many of the Gnus regulars, so your experience helps us. If we don't respond or fix things quickly (speaking for myself) it's for lack of time, not desire to help. Ted While you're here Ted, I have had to stop using spam-split. Possibly you can see what is wrong with this? (setq spam-use-bogofilter t) (setq spam-use-spamassassin t) (require 'spam) (spam-initialize) (setq nnimap-inbox '(INBOX)) (setq nnimap-split-fancy '(| (: spam-split) INBOX)) (setq nnimap-split-methods 'nnimap-split-fancy) (setq nnimap-split-download-body t) I then set the spam settings using G c on the groups I want spam-split to process. I get some form of sequencep errors I think it is. Sorry to be vague - I cant post a backtrace right now but can again tomorrow if you're interested in taking a look. I dont *think* there is anything wrong with the above but few people have offered up other split examples using spam-split to compare it against. I am guessing my quoting is wrong but its hard to pinpoint from the manual examples. regards r. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus and new mail notification
Thierry Volpiatto thierry.volpia...@gmail.com writes: Richard Riley rile...@googlemail.com writes: Thierry Volpiatto thierry.volpia...@gmail.com writes: Richard Riley rile...@googlemail.com writes: Yuri D'Elia wav...@users.sf.net writes: On Sun, 26 Dec 2010 00:19:42 +0100, Richard Riley wrote: As soon as you use splitting or virtual groups, an external process becomes useless (for instance, I have several rules that split messages into groups that I ignore). Not if you dont use the demon and then split when you hit g. In other words you only fetch your mail when gnubiff or something similar tells you that you have new mail. Concrete example: if splitting includes spam rules, gnubiff will notify you of spam too. Yes that is most certainly true. Since I use googlemail I'm kind of spoiled as their spam filtering server side is pretty good these days (that and my spam-split set up doesnt work anymore on NoGnus) and so I turned off client side spam-splitting. If you use gmail, you can have easy mail notification with: https://mail.google.com/mail/feed/atom It give you an xml buffer you have to parse. A library exists on emacswiki for this, don't remember the name, it didn't work for me so i wrote small code for this for my personal use, i can send it if interested. Of course if one use gnus-demon, it's non--sense to use this. Just as an FYI to the OP if new to Gnus, I have found the best set up for me with Gnus is dovecot locally fed by offlineimap which is run as a cron job every half hour or so. I use here offlineimap.el that is started each time i start gnus. http://julien.danjou.info/offlineimap-el.html I think that coupled with a gmail notification is better than a cronjob. I dont think it is since the benefit of my way is I dont need gnus running to see email notifications. Emacs/Gnus just dont do async well and for me its not its job to run offlineimap which isnt necessarily the quickest anyway. Still horses for courses and an interesting mix of approaches ;) nnir search works really well and of course there are then no performance or bandwidth issues with Gnus talking imap with remote gmail servers. Plus you have a local copy of your mail. Here is one how to for the set up: http://sachachua.com/blog/2008/05/geek-how-to-use-offlineimap-and-the-dovecot-mail-server-to-read-your-gmail-in-emacs-efficiently/ http://tinyurl.com/26cwmok I have also started to use dovecot/offlineimap, however it's was not so easy to configure dovecot, especially the mail_location, what is described in sacha blog is deprecated. So here i use for gmail: ,[ dovecot config ] | mail_location = maildir:~/Maildir:LAYOUT=fs:INBOX=~/Maildir/INBOX ` Hope that's help I use multiple virtual users to handle my different gmail accounts. I can share the set up if anyone is interested. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus and new mail notification
Yuri D'Elia wav...@users.sf.net writes: I wasn't happy with the existing new mail notification scripts that I've found on emacswiki. I've put together a new script, called gnus-notify[1], that can call any arbitrary program when new messages are received. The default uses the 'notify-send' program (part of libnotify's library) which creates little popup messages. This is especially useful if you have virtual desktops and leave Gnus running with gnus-demon. The result (showing Gnus + awesomewm + libnotify-bin on Debian) is shown here: http://www.thregr.org/~wavexx/hacks/gnus-notify.png You can also do arbitrary stuff by either setting a different executable, or supplying an entirely new notification function. Simply read the commentary in the source. gnus-notify.el is available at: http://www.thregr.org/~wavexx/hacks/gnus-notify.el Merry christmas :) [1] I know there's already a gnus-notify.el script, but I wasn't able to come up with a better name. I'm interested how this helps - I think I'm missing something. Since this can only work in Gnus when Gnus sees new mail what purpose does it server since Gnus has already fetched the mail : isnt a third party imap/maildir asynchronous monitor a better solution for this external notification process? Also using the same name is somewhat silly since it will clash if packaged in ELPA or something especially as it does something totally different to gnus-notify : what about gnus-external-notify? regards r. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus and new mail notification
Yuri D'Elia wav...@users.sf.net writes: On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 21:31:43 +0100, Richard Riley wrote: I'm interested how this helps - I think I'm missing something. Since this can only work in Gnus when Gnus sees new mail what purpose does it server since Gnus has already fetched the mail : isnt a third party imap/maildir asynchronous monitor a better solution for this external notification process? As soon as you use splitting or virtual groups, an external process becomes useless (for instance, I have several rules that split messages into groups that I ignore). Not if you dont use the demon and then split when you hit g. In other words you only fetch your mail when gnubiff or something similar tells you that you have new mail. That said I must try the daemon again as I havent used it for a while. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
IMAP- Gmail mark sent as read
Can someone suggest a way to make sent email as read in imap? I want to subscribe to my gmail Sent Items but dont want to see a total of unread in the Gnus group line. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: IMAP- Gmail mark sent as read
Sivaram Neelakantan nsivaram@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Dec 24 2010,Richard Riley wrote: Can someone suggest a way to make sent email as read in imap? I want to subscribe to my gmail Sent Items but dont want to see a total of unread in the Gnus group line. Does setting this help? Found this in the manual but not sure whether it applies to IMAP. gnus-gcc-mark-as-read' If non-`nil', automatically mark `Gcc' articles as read. sivaram -- No. This is the googlemail sent folder I am talking about. I sync from gmail to a local dovecot using offlineimap and Sent Mail are all shown as unread. I think possibly offlineimap might be able to do it but I need to find a python guru to help! ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Reply to self behavior
Reiner Steib reinersteib+gm...@imap.cc writes: On Wed, Dec 22 2010, Yuri D'Elia wrote: Aaand, while I'm at it: is there a hook that is called whenever a backend receives new mail? I'm trying to integrate emacs with the awesome window manager. gnus-biff and gnus-notify seem to check every group manually - I was looking for something more straightforward. ,[ f1 v nnmail-prepare-save-mail-hook RET ] | nnmail-prepare-save-mail-hook is a variable defined in `nnmail.el'. | Its value is | (rs-gnus-notify-have-new-mail) | | Documentation: | Hook called before saving mail. ` Bye, Reiner. This is pretty clunky compared to using something like Mail Notification (Gnome) since it requires Gnus to fetch the mail in order for you to know there is mail there I think. Better, for me, is to run a local dovecot server and have Mail Notifications (Biff etc) monitor THAT inbox using dbus or whatever it is they use for instant notification. regards r. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Multiple sources and accounts with GNUS
Yuri D'Elia wav...@users.sf.net writes: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:42:25 +0100 Richard Riley rile...@googlemail.com wrote: My code above selects the msmtp profile to use based on the From address which, im turn, is set by gnus-posting-styles but hopefully you can adjust as appropriate. Googling up the key vars above and msmtp should provide the info you need. msmtp is a nice solution, but I don't really want to store the password on disk (typing at every message is not a nice solution either). I tried to go with the smtpmail route, but failed quickly. I have an SMTP server that requires encryption via STARTTLS on port 25. The following minimal configuration: smtpmail-debug-info t smtpmail-debug-verb t smtpmail-auth-credentials '((smtp.server 25 me nil)) smtpmail-starttls-credentials '((smtp.server, 25, nil, nil)) smtpmail-smtp-server smtp.server) asks for my credentials, but it doesn't actually call STARTTLS (I can verify it from the SMTP trace). Ideas? I would love to see a solution of msmtp working with gpg-agent. There is one out there somewhere but 'twas a tad convoluted. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Today's articles/mails..
Tassilo Horn tass...@member.fsf.org writes: bgm...@gmail.com writes: Hi Madhu, How do I restrict the article buffer to today's/This week's articles only; and include/exclude dormant/read articles? I think you mean the summary buffer, right? ,[ (info (gnus)Limiting) ] | `/ t' | Ask for a number and then limit the summary buffer to articles | older than (or equal to) that number of days | (`gnus-summary-limit-to-age'). If given a prefix, limit to | articles younger than that number of days. ` So in your case, `C-u 7 / t' would limit the current summary to messages from the last week. -7 does the same. ,[ (info (gnus)Limiting) ] | `/ w' | Pop the previous limit off the stack and restore it | (`gnus-summary-pop-limit'). If given a prefix, pop all limits off | the stack. ` It would be nice (or is there) to have a variable to disable this : personally I never want the limits stacked and would like my next one to override the previous rather than having to manually pop the limit first. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Today's articles/mails..
Tassilo Horn tass...@member.fsf.org writes: Richard Riley rile...@googlemail.com writes: Hi Rich, ,[ (info (gnus)Limiting) ] | `/ w' | Pop the previous limit off the stack and restore it | (`gnus-summary-pop-limit'). If given a prefix, pop all limits off | the stack. ` It would be nice (or is there) to have a variable to disable this : Hm, that would mean losing the ability of limiting with different concerns, like limiting to articles from Richard received the last 30 days. This true but normally (99%) of the time I only filter on last day or name. Rarely both so the default for me would be better not to stack. personally I never want the limits stacked and would like my next one to override the previous rather than having to manually pop the limit first. I think you could advice all gnus-summary-limit-* commands to do a (gnus-summary-pop-limit t) before, but that's a bit ugly IMHO. Bye, Tassilo Sent from my Emacs -- ☘ http://www.shamrockirishbar.com, http://splash-of-open-sauce.blogspot.com/ http://www.richardriley.net ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Multiple sources and accounts with GNUS
Yuri D'Elia wav...@users.sf.net writes: Hi everyone. After a long period with mutt (which indeed sucks less but doesn't do news) and sylpheed/claws (which just sucks), I'm back to GNUS. I'm a sadist underneath - I know. So far I was able to setup all the receiving accounts successfully (a couple of nnimap accounts, gmane via nntp, nnmaildir for local spools, etc), but I'm having trouble to send outgoing e-mails to different accounts depending on the current group. I'm fine with the default of using sendmail, but for a couple of IMAP groups I need to use a specific SMTP server with credentials. Could I use 'gnus-parameters' for that, and change 'message-send-mail-function' depending on the group? Any pointer or small example in how to do this? Thanks. msmtp is your man. , | ;; Select the correct smtp server based on the from address. | (defun msmtp-account (optional def) | (let* ((from | (save-restriction | (message-narrow-to-headers) | (message-fetch-field From))) |(account (if from (catch 'match |(dolist (element msmtp-name-list) | ;; (message (format smpt chosen is %s element)) | (when (string-match (format .*%s.* element) from) |(throw 'match element nil))) | (if account account (if def def default | | (defun msmtp-change-smtp () | (setq sendmail-program /usr/bin/msmtp) | (setq smtpmail-starttls-credentials '((smtp.googlemail.com 587 nil nil))) | (setq smtpmail-smtp-server smtp.googlemail.com) | (setq message-sendmail-envelope-from 'header) | (if (message-mail-p) | (setq message-sendmail-extra-arguments (list -a (msmtp-account default) | (add-hook 'message-send-hook 'msmtp-change-smtp) ` My code above selects the msmtp profile to use based on the From address which, im turn, is set by gnus-posting-styles but hopefully you can adjust as appropriate. Googling up the key vars above and msmtp should provide the info you need. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Error in (info (gnus)Splitting Mail)
Štěpán Němec step...@gmail.com writes: Ted Zlatanov t...@lifelogs.com writes: On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:33:47 -0600 Tommy Kelly tommy.ke...@verilab.com wrote: TK The person who wrote the stuff, understands it in intense TK detail without the documentation, and therefore has little or no need TK of the documentation thinks the documentation is more readable as it is. TK The person who is trying to learn the stuff, and must rely heavily on TK said documentation thinks the documentation would be more readable with a TK a minor fix. Štěpán was noting a minor issue: if mail comes from majordomoXcom (any single character) instead of majordomo.com, it will match that splitting rule. I don't think Štěpán suggested it would make the documentation more readable to fix that. I think Tommy's and Lars's notion of readable is slightly incompatible here. In my opinion the error (yes, IMO it _is_ an error) should be fixed at least for the reason this whole thread started -- it induced major confusion for Tommy, who, upon seeing the unescaped dot, began to wonder if there was some magic going on with the fancy splitting rules. (Yes, it's funny to have discussions about things like this, but not having sloppy examples in the docs is precisely the way to prevent such discussions.) Štěpán The splitting docs are confusing - issues constantly crop up in #emacs as well as here and in the nognus mailing list. Possibly more simple examples would help before they start rolling into what is pretty advanced elisp where quotes and escaping play an important part. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: nnimap-split-fancy
a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:10:49 -0600, Tommy wrote: (from .*domain1\\.com emails-from-domain1) ^ Missing . (from .*domain2\\.com emails-from-domain2) ^ Ditto. I often find that the easiest way to debug regexp-matching in Emacs is to start with something extremely simple that works, and then gradually adding things I think should work until they don't - it helps pinpointing where I have forgotten some \'s or something (I am used to Perls regexp syntax, so remembering all the leaning toothpicks in Emacs regexps is sometimes a problem :-)) Best regards, Adam There is also the wonderful regexp-builder. regards r. -- ☘ http://www.shamrockirishbar.com, http://splash-of-open-sauce.blogspot.com/ http://www.richardriley.net ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Change the color of article counts when equal to 0
Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com writes:
Hello,
I'm using 4 count numbers on every group line:
--8---cut here---start-8---
;; format of the group buffer
(setq gnus-group-line-format (concat %M%m%P
%(%-39,39g%)
%5{%3y Unread%}
%6{(%3U Unseen)%} +
%7{%3T Ticked%}
%6t Total Items
\n))
--8---cut here---end---8---
with these fonts:
--8---cut here---start-8---
;; create faces for article counts
(defface my/unread-face
'((t (:weight bold :foreground black))) Ticked group face)
(defface my/unseen-face
'((t (:weight bold :foreground blue))) Ticked group face)
(defface my/ticked-face
'((t (:weight bold :foreground orange))) Ticked group face)
(setq gnus-face-5 'my/unread-face)
(setq gnus-face-6 'my/unseen-face)
(setq gnus-face-7 'my/ticked-face)
--8---cut here---end---8---
I would like to see the numbers in very light gray when they're equal to 0,
but can't figure out how -- or, even, if possible at all... Can you help me?
Best regards,
Seb
You need to use a user format function.
e.g here is one that I use to create a mailbox icon to replace the word INBOX.
,
| (defun gnus-user-format-function-g (headers) ;; gnus-group-line-format use
%ug to call this func! e.g %M%S%p%P%(%-40,40ug%)%-5uy %ud\n
| ;; split full group protocol-server:group into three parts.
| (string-match \\(^.*\\)\\+\\(.*\\):\\(.*\\) gnus-tmp-group)
| ;; map the first two letters of the server name to a more friendly and
cuddly display name
| (let* ((match-ok (match-string 2 gnus-tmp-group))
| (server-key (if (null match-ok) nil (upcase(substring match-ok 0
2)
| (if (zerop (length server-key))
| gnus-tmp-group
| ;; construct new group format line with a small envelope taking the
place of any INBOX
| (concat
| (propertize
| (format %-8s (cdr (assoc server-key rgr/server-name-maps)))
| 'face (rgr/unread-face my-group-server-face) 'face
(rgr/unread-face (concat my-group-server-face- server-key)) 'gnus-face t)
| -
| (if (string-match INBOX (match-string 3 gnus-tmp-group) )
| (propertize \x2709 'face (rgr/unread-face
my-inbox-icon-face) 'gnus-face t)
|(propertize (match-string 3 gnus-tmp-group) 'face (rgr/unread-face
my-group-face) 'gnus-face t) )
`
The important bits for you are the propertize cells setting a special
face for something : in your case the count value.
Here is my user function y which does this for count :-
,
| (defun gnus-user-format-function-y (headers)
| return string representation for unread articles
| (concat
| (propertize (if (= (string-to-number gnus-tmp-number-of-unread) 0)
\x2709) 'face (rgr/unread-face my-inbox-icon-face) 'gnus-face t)
| (propertize (if (= (string-to-number gnus-tmp-number-of-unread) 0)
| (concat( gnus-tmp-number-of-unread ))) 'face
(rgr/unread-face my-unread-count-face) 'gnus-face t)))
`
And here the group line format
,
| gnus-group-line-format is a variable defined in `gnus-group.el'.
| Its value is
| %M%S%p%P%-12uy%(%-60ug%)\n
|
`
Hope it sets you on the right way.
regards
r.
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Re: Can I choose names for nnmaildir groups?
Sean McAfee eef...@gmail.com writes: I use nnmaildir as my primary backend: (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnmaildir mail (directory /home/smcafee/.nnmaildir Within that directory, procmail divides my incoming mail into various subdirectories. In Gnus's group view, the groups representing those subdirectories all have a common, longish prefix nnmaildir+mail:. That's a little cluttered, and I'd prefer to be able to name them eg. mail.list-1, mail.list-2, etc. Is this possible? Extensive Googling and experimenting haven't turned up any working solutions. Hi Sean, You need to modify gnus-group-line-format. My format line is %M%S%p%P%-12uy%(%-60ug%)\n I'm pretty sure that the g is what you want. That said %c looks promising too ... regards r. -- ☘ http://www.shamrockirishbar.com, http://splash-of-open-sauce.blogspot.com/ http://www.richardriley.net ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
selecting a group with no unread
Is there a config option to not prompt me if there are no unread articles? Ideally if I select a group with no unread it will default to the first (or latest) N unread. I realise I can do this with the prefix argument ALL set to an integer but I would prefer this to be automatic. Possibly a simpler description is : I want it to always show X articles read or not when I select a group. I can manually (/O) fetch more if necessary. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Noob seeks help with splitting and spam
Jim Burton j...@sdf-eu.org writes: Jim Burton j...@sdf-eu.org writes: Hi, I've just started with Gnus, and I'm confused about the whole splitting business and how I can use that to deal with spam. I decided, somewhat arbitrarily, that I should use bogofilter. So I read the wiki page about setting it up with gnus and the other resources I could find on the subject, installed bogofilter and so far I have this in ~/.gnus: (require 'spam) (require 'gnus-bogofilter) (setq spam-use-bogofilter t spam-split-group spam) (spam-initialize) (setq nnmail-split-fancy '(| (: spam-split))) Finally, I presumed this required me to make a group called spam, so I did (with U spam), but I can't select that group as I get couldn't activate group. As I understand it, I should now be able to use C-c g s on a message to mark it as spam and move it into my spam folder? Doing that doesn't seem to have any effect. In fact it *does* have an effect. When I leave the summary page after marking something as spam or ham I get a message applying spam rules, and the messages marked as spam are moved, or at least are not displayed to me when I enter that group again. Where is the spam being moved to, if anywhere, and if I train bogofilter in this way will my current setup start to detect spam and move it to the same place before I even see it? Obviously, this is how I'd like it work, and I also want to check for false positives once it does. Spam filtering is confusing to start with. This is apparent from the same issues cropping up in #emacs and other resources. That said its incredibly powerful. I'm not sure how group settings for auto spam check work when set in conjunction with nnimap-inbox and spam-split. But this is how my working setup looks:- (setq spam-use-bogofilter t) (require 'spam) (spam-initialize) (setq nnimap-inbox INBOX) (setq nnimap-split-methods 'default) (setq nnimap-split-download-body t) (setq nnmail-split-fancy '(|(: spam-split))) (setq nnmail-split-methods 'nnmail-split-fancy) (setq spam-autodetect-recheck-messages nil) (setq spam-mark-ham-unread-before-move-from-spam-group t) (setq spam-mark-new-messages-in-spam-group-as-spam t) (setq spam-split-group Gnus-Spam) In the group customisation for my INBOXs (G c) I set :- , |[X] Spam Summary Exit Processor: [Value Menu] Spam Summary Exit Processor Choices: | Set: | [X] Spam: Bogofilter | [ ] Spam: Blacklist | ` Q: does this have to be set? Is spam-use-bogofilter in addition or a precursor to this working? , | [X] Destination for spam-processed articles at summary exit: [Value Menu] Move to multiple groups: | [INS] [DEL] Destination group: nnimap+riley:Gnus-Spam | [INS] | Where spam-processed articles will go at summary exit. ` note : fully qualified. Its in Gnus-Spam that I can recheck. The group customisation settings for there are: , | [X] Group contents spam/ham classification: | Group contents classification for spam sorting: [Value Menu] gnus-group-spam-classification-spam | Spam group classification (requires spam.el). [More] | ` the concept of spam and ham groups can be confusing too. mark as ham? Its ham. Mark as spam? Its spam. The corresponding exit processors take care. I need to reread the manual I think. e.g is INBOX a spam folder? or a ham folder? or nothing? It certainly contains ham. And often contains spam which I manually mark with M-d and is then moved to gnus-spam when I exit the group. But what kind of group is it? , | [X] Spam Summary Exit Processor: [Value Menu] Spam Summary Exit Processor Choices: | Set: | [X] Spam: Bogofilter | ` , | [X] Destination for spam-processed articles at summary exit: [Value Menu] Move to multiple groups: | [INS] [DEL] Destination group: nnimap+riley:Trash | [INS] ` , | [X] Destination for ham articles at summary exit from a spam group: [Value Menu] Move to a group: nnimap+riley:mail | Where ham articles will go at summary exit from a spam group. ` , | [X] Ham mark choices: | Set: | [ ] gnus-del-mark | Mark used for del'd articles. | [ ] gnus-read-mark | Mark used for read articles. | [X] gnus-ticked-mark | Mark used for ticked articles. | [ ] gnus-killed-mark | Mark used for killed articles. | [ ] gnus-kill-file-mark | Mark used for articles killed by kill files. | [ ] gnus-low-score-mark | Mark used for articles with a low score. | Marks considered ham (positively not spam). Such articles will be [More] | | [X] Spam mark choices: | Set: | [X] gnus-spam-mark | Mark used for spam articles. ` Anyway, I hope this helps! works for me ... ;) ___ info-gnus-english mailing list
Re: Gnus and rsync
nunojsi...@invalid.invalid (Nuno J. Silva) writes: Eric S Fraga ucec...@ucl.ac.uk writes: nunojsi...@invalid.invalid (Nuno J. Silva) writes: So I've now hit the issue where I have two computers on which I want to keep gnus stuff on-sync. I've tried the simple solution: rsyncing the whole bunch of files (news, mail, .gnus.el, and some other gnus files. maybe have a look at unison? works very well for keeping systems in sync. I will, but AFAICT, from the debugging I made today, the issue is not rsync, so I'll delay looking unison for a while. Unfortunately, this doesn't work as expected: in some mail folders the unread messages are months old,[...] As promised, I tested diffing the rsync files with a plain tarball sync, and it's the same. What happens is that, after starting gnus, a lot of NOV files get changed. Removing every nov folder (*/.nnmaildir/nov, relative to nnmaildir root) before starting gnus forces gnus to regenerate these, what causes a slightly long delay but works (that is, now the unread messages are the same as in the original gnus setup). Next step seems to be understanding which changes are made to NOV files so I can know why is this happening... (Same Gnus and Emacs version on both computers.) I tried a plain old sync for a while with gnus and more often that not things went wrong. The best way I found is to use offlineimap to sync a local dovecot server. Since gnus uses the server flags all is dandy. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Adding recipients to BBDB
pocma...@gmail.com (Paulo J. Matos) writes: Hi, Is there a good way to have Gnus ask you if you want to add recipients of your emails/articles to the BBDB database? Cheers, You might try this http://www-verimag.imag.fr/~moy/emacs/moy-bbdb.el cheers r. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
nnimap-split-inbox, spam-split and multiple inboxes
If someone has imap splitting working for multiple imap accounts couuld you please share your settings. I wish to use the spam-split functionality to auto move bogofilter detected spam to a temporary spam holding area. I have 3 inboxes displayed as nnimap+accA:INBOX nnimap+accB:INBOX nnimap+accC:INBOX Is it possible to split on the three? nearly all examples I have seen split a single INBOX (setq nnimap-split-inbox INBOX) Can splitting work for three? Any pointers/suggestions appreciated. I turned up the verbosity for Gnus and dont currently see any splitting activity. I do have:- '(nnimap-split-rule (quote nnimap-split-fancy)) '(nnimap-split-fancy (quote (: spam-split))) and '(spam-mark-ham-unread-before-move-from-spam-group t) '(spam-mark-new-messages-in-spam-group-as-spam nil) '(spam-regex-headers-spam (quote (^X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Bogosity))) '(spam-split-group Gnus-Spam) '(spam-use-bogofilter t) So spam-split should be using bogofilter to identify spam mail and moving them directly to Gnus-Spam. In the group settings for my INBOXs I set them as HAM groups since anything passing the splitting ought to be considered ham. Is that ok? The exit processors do correctly move any emails I manually tag as spam to the spam pen. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
clearing ham marks
In groups that autodetect span and mark them accordingly when I exit that group is it possible for the ham marks to then be removed automatically after the spam exit processors have done their job? (in this case I am NOT moving the ham as they are in the correct mailbox already). thanks. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus hang, when sending mail from gmail account with gnutls.
filebat Mark filebat.m...@gmail.com writes: One more confusing: - Since I have explicitly configured to use gnutls by (setq starttls-use-gnutls t), why we have STARTTLS output in the buffer of *trace of SMTP seesion. Regards, Denny On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 5:59 PM, filebat Mark filebat.m...@gmail.com wrote: Hi gnusers I can receive mails of gmail by imap. However, after struggling for several days, I still fail to send mail in gnus. Would you please help to root cause the problem? My environment: cygwin + ntemacs 23. Below is my gnus related configuration, and ~/.authinfo is correct. And it hangs with the output of 220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS, when I try to invoke message-send in *Message* mode. No problem is found, when manually invoke gnutls-cli-debug.exe www.google.com. It seems hang at smtpmail.el::smtpmail-via-smtp line 672 (if (or (null (car (setq greeting (smtpmail-read-response process As a workaround ... There was a thread earlier in the year about this. The same issue crops up a lot (under Linux AND Windows btw) and TLS confuses a lot of people and/or seems very creaky. - I know it did me ;) The thread earlier in the year posted a solution using msmtp I *think* :-- http://www.mail-archive.com/info-gnus-english@gnu.org/msg08606.html Hopefully this might work for you. regards r. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
mail-sources - how to use?
My understanding from the manual is that gnus should read from the sources specified in mail-sources and then move the mail found there to mail-source-directory. (Of course you dont have to use this functionality and can merely treat using maildirs and select methods for example). So if I have :- , | (setq mail-sources | '((file :path /var/spool/mail/rgr))) ` I understand from the info file that that is sufficient for gnus to suck out the system mail from my account's spool and then by setting , | (setq mail-source-directory ~/.Maildir/.riley/INBOX/new) ` gnus should store this new mail in my maildir which I then access using , | (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods |'(nnmaildir riley (directory ~/.Maildir/.riley))) ` Gnus, however, is not pulling the mail from var/spool/rgr. What am I missing or what am I misunderstanding? ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Splitting maildir
I recently reconfigured my email to use local maildir (making mairix search possible). I also use nnmbox for system emails. My config looks something like this:- , | (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnmbox private))) | (setq nnmail-spool-file /var/spool/mail/shamrock) | (setq mail-sources | '((file :path /var/spool/mail/shamrock))) | | (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods |'(nnmaildir riley (directory ~/.Maildir/.riley))) ` (I dont know why I need to set mail.sources as well as nnmail-spool-file) I created a nnmbox group , | nnmbox+private:motorola ` I then set my nnmail-split-methods , | (setq nnmail-split-methods (quote ((nnmbox+private:motorola Subject:.*Milestone.* ` Yet no splitting of new maildir mail occurs. Opinions/corrections? I guess I am missing some sort of allow splitting toggle? ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Splitting maildir
(I dont know why I need to set mail.sources as well as nnmail-spool-file) I know now : nnmail-spool-file is obsolete. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Gnus with multiple gmail imap accounts
I would be interested in hearing how anyone has got gnus talking to multiple gmail accounts. One sticking point is the non prefixed INBOX on each account. How best to handle this or to uniquely name each INBOX for each gmail account? (Come to that how to uniquely name All Mail, spam etc too). There is some advice here http://superuser.com/questions/86798/multiple-email-accounts-from-the-same-server-in-emacs-gnus But I'm not sure how he defined those servers with their aliases in elisp (the author has since dropped gnus for wanderlust). One approach I have tried (but dont really like) is to apply a filter to ALL incoming mail and to label each new post with something like inbox-rileyrg and then subscribe to that label/group from gnus. That doesnt solve the issue with the gmail system labels however. Any pointers appreciated. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus with multiple gmail imap accounts
Richard Riley rile...@gmail.com writes: I would be interested in hearing how anyone has got gnus talking to multiple gmail accounts. One sticking point is the non prefixed INBOX on each account. How best to handle this or to uniquely name each INBOX for each gmail account? (Come to that how to uniquely name All Mail, spam etc too). There is some advice here http://superuser.com/questions/86798/multiple-email-accounts-from-the-same-server-in-emacs-gnus But I'm not sure how he defined those servers with their aliases in elisp (the author has since dropped gnus for wanderlust). One approach I have tried (but dont really like) is to apply a filter to ALL incoming mail and to label each new post with something like inbox-rileyrg and then subscribe to that label/group from gnus. That doesnt solve the issue with the gmail system labels however. Any pointers appreciated. I have settled on this solution. Firstly create your nnimap servers :- --8---cut here---start-8--- (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnimap rileymail (nnimap-server-port 993) (nnimap-stream ssl) (nnir-search-engine imap) (nnimap-address imap.gmail.com) (nnimap-list-pattern (inbox- webs tax)) (nnimap-authinfo-file ~/.authinfo.gpg) ) (nnimap shamrockmail (nnimap-server-port 993) (nnimap-stream ssl) (nnir-search-engine imap) (nnimap-address imap.gmail.com) (nnimap-list-pattern (inbox-)) (nnimap-authinfo-file ~/.authinfo.gpg) ) (nnimap friendsmail (nnimap-server-port 993) (nnimap-stream ssl) (nnir-search-engine imap) (nnimap-address imap.gmail.com) (nnimap-list-pattern (inbox-)) (nnimap-authinfo-file ~/.authinfo.gpg) ) )) --8---cut here---end---8--- Notice the nnimap-list-pattern - this limits the imap folders you can see. Gmail is messy. Tweak as appropriate. Then for each account alias above add a line to your .authinfo (I use a gpg file) like this :- --8---cut here---start-8--- machine friendsmail login gmailuserid force yes password mypassword port 993 --8---cut here---end---8--- Now the important thing is to set up each gmail account so that you can uniquely recognise things and not have clashing INBOXs. This is done by creating a filter on my INBOX for each account where in words to search for you use in:inbox and specify that filter to then apply a label to all incoming email. So I have a filter on my rileyrg account which applies a label inbox-personal to all incoming mail. When I browse the rileymail nnimap server shown above I then see and subscribe to an IMAP group called .. inbox-personal. For the shamrockmail I apply the label inbox-shamrock. etc etc - easy to differentiate the different INBOXs this way. Seems to work well but I would be interested to hear any alternative and potentially simpler methods. One thing now I miss not using offlineimap to store mail locally is the use mairix. Is there some way to search all mail via imap? I think alt-s only searches the mails in the summary buffer and not all the mails. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
gnus and imap with google
I have a direct imap link from Gnus to googlemail. Is there anyway to stop sent messages contributing to the article count in my IMAP inbox? I cant find a way to disable the conversation thread format used by google (which means your sent messages are part of your inbox) so am hoping someone has a gnus tweak for it to ignore sent messages. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: IMAP as archive destination?
Vagn Johansen gonz...@hotmail.com writes: Richard Riley rile...@gmail.com writes: I'm having issues using imap as my sent archive. My gnus-server-alist on gnus startup is like this:- [...] Any suggestions? Why is it trying to open nnfolder for archive? I do not know if it is any help, but I use the following (setq gnus-message-archive-method `(nnimap ,smtpmail-smtp-server) gnus-message-archive-group '((if (message-news-p) nnfolder:sent-news INBOX.Sent))) As soon as I set the archive-group and then refresh Gnus, I get:- , | Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp nil) | file-name-as-directory(nil) | nnheader-concat(nil active) | (defvar nnfolder-active-file (nnheader-concat nnfolder-directory active) (/usr/share/emacs/23.1/lisp/gnus/nnfolder.elc . 1885)) | require(nnfolder) | gnus-get-function((nnfolder archive (nnfolder-directory ~/.emacs.d/Maildir/archive) (nnfolder-active-file ~/.emacs.d/Maildir/archive/active) (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil) (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)) server-opened) | gnus-server-opened((nnfolder archive (nnfolder-directory ~/.emacs.d/Maildir/archive) (nnfolder-active-file ~/.emacs.d/Maildir/archive/active) (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil) (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t))) | gnus-check-server((nnfolder archive (nnfolder-directory ~/.emacs.d/Maildir/archive) (nnfolder-active-file ~/.emacs.d/Maildir/archive/active) (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil) (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t))) | gnus-read-active-file-1((nnfolder archive (nnfolder-directory ~/.emacs.d/Maildir/archive) (nnfolder-active-file ~/.emacs.d/Maildir/archive/active) (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil) (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)) nil) | gnus-read-active-file() | gnus-group-get-new-news(nil) | gnus-1(nil nil nil) | gnus(nil) | call-interactively(gnus nil nil) ` I tried looking at the code but, well, it's somewhat tricky for an elisp ignoramous. There is no mention on nnfolder in my .newsrc.eld. I can't quite determine how or from where its picking this up. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
IMAP as archive destination?
I'm having issues using imap as my sent archive. My gnus-server-alist on gnus startup is like this:- , | gnus-server-alist is a variable defined in `gnus.el'. | Its value is | ((archive nnfolder archive | (nnfolder-directory ~/.emacs.d/Maildir/archive) | (nnfolder-active-file ~/.emacs.d/Maildir/archive/active) | (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil) | (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t))) ` despite my .newsrc.eld containing:- , | (setq gnus-server-alist '((archive nnimap mymail (nnimap-address offlineimap) (nnimap-stream nil ` If I then set gnus-archive-message-group to INBOX.sent for example I get a debug stack when I start gnus of the form:- , | Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp nil) | file-name-as-directory(nil) | nnheader-concat(nil active) | (defvar nnfolder-active-file (nnheader-concat nnfolder-directory active) (/usr/share/emacs/23.1/lisp/gnus/nnfolder.elc . 1885)) | require(nnfolder) | gnus-get-function((nnfolder archive (nnfolder-directory ~/.emacs.d/Maildir/archive) (nnfolder-active-file ~/.emacs.d/Maildir/archive/active) (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil) (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)) server-opened) | gnus-server-opened((nnfolder archive (nnfolder-directory ~/.emacs.d/Maildir/archive) (nnfolder-active-file ~/.emacs.d/Maildir/archive/active) (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil) (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t))) | gnus-check-server((nnfolder archive (nnfolder-directory ~/.emacs.d/Maildir/archive) (nnfolder-active-file ~/.emacs.d/Maildir/archive/active) (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil) (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t))) | gnus-read-active-file-1((nnfolder archive (nnfolder-directory ~/.emacs.d/Maildir/archive) (nnfolder-active-file ~/.emacs.d/Maildir/archive/active) (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil) (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t)) nil) | gnus-read-active-file(nil nil) | gnus-setup-news(nil nil nil) | byte-code( | gnus-1(nil nil nil) | gnus(nil) | call-interactively(gnus nil nil) ` Any suggestions? Why is it trying to open nnfolder for archive? ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
limiting storage of sent emails
I am trying NOT to archive or store sent messages if the From field is a certain value. This is not working reliably for me. Which function or method should I use to access the correct From field? I had used the original article field but that doesnt work if its the first email of a gnus session so I guess that was not correct. from my custom.el , | '(gnus-message-archive-group (quote ((if (message-news-p) nil (unless (string-match rileyrg@ (gnus-fetch-field From)) nnimap+mymail:INBOX.sent) ` What his should be doing is ONLY archiving emails and then only if the From is not rile...@. Any help or pointers appreciated. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
nnmal archive group wont go away
I think I have missed something in the docs.
,
| gnus-message-archive-group is a variable defined in `gnus.el'.
| Its value is
| ((if
| (message-news-p)
| nil
|(unless
|(string-match rileyrg@
|(gnus-fetch-original-field From))
| nnimap+mymail:INBOX.sent)))
`
This setting should ONLY store the Gcc in the imap INBOX.sent if the my
email is NOT started with rileyrg@. That seems to work. But I still
have an nnml group open. I dont use that afaik : everything on the email
side is imap.
,
| * {nnml:archive} (opened)
| {nnmairix:localhost} (opened)
| {nnimap:mymail} (opened)
| {nntp:motzarella} (opened)
| {nntp:Gmane} (opened)
| * {nnml:nnml-mail-storage} (opened)
`
How can I suppress the opening of these servers?
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Re: Gnus, maildir, and nnmaildir
Damian damian.o...@gmail.com writes: Hello, After two days of futile struggling with gnus, gnus manual, blogs, and tutorials, I decided to write to you. The situation is the following. I get my email with getmail, which delivers it in the ~/Maildir folder, using the maildir format. Now I would like to use maildir as a mail source, and nnmaildir as select method. Thus I've configured gnus in the following way: (setq gnus-select-method '(nnmaildir mymailbox (directory ~/Mail/)) mail-sources '((maildir :path ~/Maildir/ :subdirs (cur new))) mail-source-delete-incoming t ) But all I see is the groups 9: nndoc+gnus-help:gnus-help *: nndraft:queue *: nndraft:drafts What I'm I missing? Thanks in advance, Damian. I use a local imap server now, and cant find my old Maildir settings but: Did you subscribe to your new groups? In your *Group* buffer hit ^ then select your backend with enter and then subscribe to groups using u. If thats the solution then look into using topics too in order to logically group your mail groups. Why is your directory ~/Mail above? You said your Maildir was ~/.Maildir. And I'm not sure mail-sources is appropriate. Someone else can clarify that hopefully. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
problem with signed posts
Having just moved to a new laptop I now have a problem with signed
messages. When reading one I get (I include it in full) the following. I
guess I have missed a library or setting, but what? Emacs 23 in debian
squeeze.
,
| Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-number-of-arguments #[(target old new)
Ã
| # [old new target replace-regexp-in-string] 4] 4)
| mm-replace-in-string(Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII\n\nEric
Schulte wrote:\nHi David,\n [...]\n\n 2nd/\n\n The usage of
multipart/alternative is not in compliance with the\n specs, too. There it
reads:\n\n [...]\n\n So if you attach *only a part* of the plain text
message body, you\n should not use multipart/alternative: Because\n\n
1. a part of a message is not \an 'alternative' version of the same\n
information.\\n\n 2. if recipients user agent prefers html messages it
will display\n only the html'ized part.\n\n\nI should have been
clearer here. I *am* using the multipart/alternative\nappropriately. When a
chunk of org-mode text is converted to html I am\nadding a single
multipart/alternative block with two alternatives, both\nthe plain org-mode
text, and the html, so that users like me who prefer\nto see plain text can do
so, and users of web clients like gmail can see\nnice markup.\n\nOkay, should
have looked closer to the code.\n\n1/\n\nBut I still feel uncomfortable with
the current solution: Even if the\nmessage created by current org-mail-htmlize
is a valid MIME message (I\nthink so) it is a rather complex MIME structure and
I have no idea how\nother MUAs will display such a message.\n\nMoreover, this
complexity is unecessary if we make the assumption:\n\n If substantial parts
of your message require html markup do be\n displayed by a some of your
recipients, than send a html\n representation of the entire message along with
the plain text.[1]\n\nFor a recipient who preferes html the result is the same:
For him the\nsubstantial parts are displayed in a meaningful way. People
who\nprefer or depend on plain text get the plain text. And we
avoid\nuneccesary complexity.\n\nThinking functional this might be the first
function of\norg-mail-htmlize[1]: Create a html representation of message body
if\nnecessary or appropriate.\n\n2/\n\nThe second function: Attach external
files that are referenced in the\nmessage. This might be useful even if you
don't send out html\nmessages: All external files are stashed into a
multipart/mixed\ncontainer along with a Content-Id: header field.\n\nThan all
references are changed accordingly to point to the attached\nfiles:\n\n - for
html use src/href with the cid: prefix\n\n - for text: good question. Maybe
replace occurences of the file\nwith a customizable string saying: \see
attached file foo.bar\.\n\n3/\n\nFor Wanderlust multipart/alternative is
(replace \_\ by \-\)\n\n__alternative_{\n\nand
closing\n\n__}_alternative\n\n4/\n\nDetecting the plain text body should
not just stop on end of buffer\nbut also on the first occurence of a MIME
delimiter: Maybe the user\nalready added a attachment.\n\nAnd, last not least:
This has the potential for going into contrib.\nMaybe it should be renamed to
org-mime -- it's neither just about\nmail, nor just about htmlizing.\n\nHTH\n
-- David\n\n[1] This assumption may also address the concerns about sending
html\nmessages: From my perspective html message are not a problem in\nitself.
Sometimes people have to send html messages (organizational\nrules) and
sometimes it is appropriate for content to render properly.\nAs far as I read
on the topic of html message they got their bad name\nbecause people where
sending html messages implicitely assuming that\nall recipients /can/ read them
in the same \fancy\ format as they did.\nSuch an assumtion is wrong because
it does not take into account that\ninformation and it's representation are two
different things and\ncomputers are create in processing and (re)formatting
information.\n\nAnyway, what org-mail-htmlize really misses is a function that
adds\nfance pictures (cats!), sounds and maybe even flash animations to
the\nmessages :D\n\n\n\n--\nOpenPGP... 0x99ADB83B5A4478E6\nJabber
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! �...@g! ...@%+ . [signature part signature-file plain context
inhibit-redisplay t nil mm-find-raw-part-by-type get-text-property 0 protocol
application/pgp-signature mm-find-part-by-type gnus-info Corrupted
put-text-property throw error mm-replace-in-string \n
\n mm-get-part epg-make-context (byte-code Ä \n#Ä [context signature part
plain epg-verify-string] 4) ((error ...)) epg-verify-result-to-string
epg-context-result-for verify ctl handle mm-security-handle value parameter] 7)
| mml2015-epg-verify(((#buffer *mm*3 (text/plain ...)
gnus-posting-styles based on server name
Is there a way to get the current server name in a (header MATCH RE) match in gnus posting styles? thanks r. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Play sound on new mail
Joe Galaxy s...@my.sig.invalid writes: Hi all, there is possible to make gnus play a sound when new mail arrives? That should be the job of something like gnubiff - you want an app which polls your mailbox and tells you there is mail pending collection. http://gnubiff.sourceforge.net/ Since you probably manually tell gnus to fetch mail it doesnt seem appropriate that it beeps when it gets mail since you will see it anyway in the Group buffer. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus and pgp
Ted Zlatanov t...@lifelogs.com writes: On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:42:48 +0100 Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com wrote: RR Ted Zlatanov t...@lifelogs.com writes: Let's debug it. Run the following in a clean (emacs -q) instance: (require 'epa-file) (require 'auth-source) (require 'cl) (epa-file-enable) (setq auth-source-debug t ; use `message' to log messages epa-file-cache-passphrase-for-symmetric-encryption t auth-sources '((:source ~/.authinfo.gpg :host t :protocol t))) (auth-source-user-or-password login richardriley.net imap) What does the last call return (should be your login name)? What's in *Messages*? RR It returns my login name ok. RR *Messages* just has RR auth-source-user-or-password: found (login)=(shamrock) for richardriley.net (imap) RR shamrock RR I also got prompted for a symmetric password to unlock the authinfo.gpg RR Note that my login name for the remote host is, in this case, the same RR as my local login id. If this works, it should work for all other IMAP cases as well. Look at nnimap.el, it has the same call in nnimap-open-connection. Can you try the auth-source-user-or-password call inside your regular sessions (instead of `emacs -q'), where auth-source.el doesn't work for you? Is there something you see that might hint what the problem is? Ted The issue was with nntp selects not other IMAPS as recall. -- Google Talk : rileyrg...@googlemail.com http://www.google.com/talk ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Solved
Ted Zlatanov t...@lifelogs.com writes: On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:57:56 + (UTC) Memnon Anon gegendosenflei...@googlemail.com wrote: MA Memnon Anon gegendosenflei...@googlemail.com writes: As I use two different smtp servers, I used this config: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/MultipleSMTPAccounts by Volkan Yazici, which basically works fine. MA Volkan updated the wiki page with an improved version MA (Thanks for that!). MA Are there plans to include this (or something providing a similar MA approach to this feature) into the official distribution? MA It is not exactly an uncommon thing to use more than one smtp-server, is MA it? I'd say it's a pretty unusual situation. The vast majority have just one in my experience. Still, we should support it better. Have you been happy with the config? Any issues? Ted I think multiple smtp is more common than some think. I use the mstmp config included here: http://richardriley.net/projects/emacs/dotemacs.html#sec-3 Search for msmtp-change-smtp regards r. -- Google Talk : rileyrg...@googlemail.com http://www.google.com/talk ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus and pgp
Ted Zlatanov t...@lifelogs.com writes: On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:08:11 +0100 Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com wrote: RR I wasn't aware you could do that! Works reliably now indicating an issue RR with emacs talking to the agent. Since EPA is part of Emacs proper, you should file a bug. I know it's not easy to repeat the bug but it certainly seems annoying. On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:20:44 +0100 Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com wrote: RR Works fine now with your suggestion. But now I am confused as to how to RR correctly set this up. Do I still need to to set (nntp-authinfo-file RR ~/.authinfo.gpg) for each secondary select method call? And if so, RR where doe the epa set up come in? If you could explain how it fits RR together that would be great. I set the authinfo file globally, with just auth-sources. I don't set it per select method. You can, but the effect will be different and I don't know for sure it will work correctly. When you load EPG/EPA (I forget the exact package demarkation) a handler is set up for .gpg files *by default* (you can change that). When you open or save such a file, it's automatically decoded or encoded by the EPG/EPA handlers. All of this is outside Gnus. So specifying a .gpg file for auth-sources is no different than a regular file. Ted With the latest emacs build in debian testing, I came back to this. It 100% does not work for me unless I specifically set the authinfo file for each select method. My set up includes this: , | (require 'epa-file) | (epa-file-enable) | (setq epa-file-cache-passphrase-for-symmetric-encryption t) ;;VERY Important | (if (file-exists-p ~/.authinfo.gpg) | (setq auth-sources '((:source ~/.authinfo.gpg :host t :protocol t))) | (setq auth-sources '((:source ~/.authinfo :host t :protocol t | (setq | mml2015-encrypt-to-self t | mml2015-cache-passphrase t | mml2015-passphrase-cache-expiry 6 | mml2015-verbose t) | | | | (setq gnus-select-method '(nnimap mymail | (nnimap-stream tls) | (nnimap-address richardriley.net) | (nnimap-expunge-on-close always) | ;; (nnimap-authinfo-file ~/.authinfo.gpg) | (nnimap-nov-is-evil nil) | (nnir-search-engine imap))) | | (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods | '(nntp motzarella |(nntp-address news.eternal-september.org) | (nntp-port-number 119) | ;; (nntp-authinfo-file ~/.authinfo.gpg) | ) | ) ` With the authinfo lines commented out as above I get prompted for user id and password for the imap server. What am I missing? regards r. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus and pgp
Ted Zlatanov t...@lifelogs.com writes: On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:54:04 +0100 Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com wrote: RR Ted Zlatanov t...@lifelogs.com writes: On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:08:11 +0100 Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com wrote: RR I wasn't aware you could do that! Works reliably now indicating an issue RR with emacs talking to the agent. Since EPA is part of Emacs proper, you should file a bug. I know it's not easy to repeat the bug but it certainly seems annoying. On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:20:44 +0100 Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com wrote: RR Works fine now with your suggestion. But now I am confused as to how to RR correctly set this up. Do I still need to to set (nntp-authinfo-file RR ~/.authinfo.gpg) for each secondary select method call? And if so, RR where doe the epa set up come in? If you could explain how it fits RR together that would be great. I set the authinfo file globally, with just auth-sources. I don't set it per select method. You can, but the effect will be different and I don't know for sure it will work correctly. RR Without specifying (nntp-authinfo-file ~/.authinfo.gpg) RR in my secondary methods it does not connect :-( RR But just to confirm : with no such line gnus should use the RR auth-sources? Yes. It works for me with just setting auth-sources so you're either using different libraries from me or your configuration is different. Do you know ELisp well enough to debug the problem? Ted I'm using the debian testing emacs 23. I'll have a crack at debugging it some time next week. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus and pgp
Ted Zlatanov t...@lifelogs.com writes: On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:35:17 +0100 Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com wrote: RR I just wonder how many of you were using pgp and something like RR gupg-agent? RR I was having terrible connection problems for ages with a set up like RR this: RR , RR | (require 'auth-source) RR | (require 'epa-file) RR | (setq epa-file-cache-passphrase-for-symmetric-encryption t) ;;VERY Important RR | (if (file-exists-p ~/.authinfo) RR | (setq auth-sources '((:source ~/.authinfo :host t :protocol t))) RR | (setq auth-sources '((:source ~/.authinfo.gpg :host t :protocol t RR | (setq RR | mml2015-encrypt-to-self t RR | mml2015-cache-passphrase t RR | mml2015-passphrase-cache-expiry 6 RR | mml2015-verbose t) RR ` RR When using the .gpg, hard to pinpoint but constant refusals to connect RR to a server (nntp) when doing a refresh or even starting Gnus for the first RR time. Often quitting gnus and then restarting fixed it. I know the RR default above is .authinfo as that is my set up now (I just recreated RR the .authinfo from the .gpg file) and all connection issues vanished. RR Is anyone else here using the epa stuff with more success? Can you share RR your setup? I would love to use the (chmodded) .authinfo and replace RR with a .gpg but it doesn't seem very stable with my set up above. RR I know the agent was running fine. I don't use the GnuPG agent, I just cache the passphrase locally. It works perfectly for me with heavy daily usage. Can you try that (set GPG_AGENT_INFO=none) and see if it works for you? Ted I wasn't aware you could do that! Works reliably now indicating an issue with emacs talking to the agent. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus and pgp
Ted Zlatanov t...@lifelogs.com writes: On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:35:17 +0100 Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com wrote: RR I just wonder how many of you were using pgp and something like RR gupg-agent? RR I was having terrible connection problems for ages with a set up like RR this: RR , RR | (require 'auth-source) RR | (require 'epa-file) RR | (setq epa-file-cache-passphrase-for-symmetric-encryption t) ;;VERY Important RR | (if (file-exists-p ~/.authinfo) RR | (setq auth-sources '((:source ~/.authinfo :host t :protocol t))) RR | (setq auth-sources '((:source ~/.authinfo.gpg :host t :protocol t RR | (setq RR | mml2015-encrypt-to-self t RR | mml2015-cache-passphrase t RR | mml2015-passphrase-cache-expiry 6 RR | mml2015-verbose t) RR ` RR When using the .gpg, hard to pinpoint but constant refusals to connect RR to a server (nntp) when doing a refresh or even starting Gnus for the first RR time. Often quitting gnus and then restarting fixed it. I know the RR default above is .authinfo as that is my set up now (I just recreated RR the .authinfo from the .gpg file) and all connection issues vanished. RR Is anyone else here using the epa stuff with more success? Can you share RR your setup? I would love to use the (chmodded) .authinfo and replace RR with a .gpg but it doesn't seem very stable with my set up above. RR I know the agent was running fine. I don't use the GnuPG agent, I just cache the passphrase locally. It works perfectly for me with heavy daily usage. Can you try that (set GPG_AGENT_INFO=none) and see if it works for you? Ted Works fine now with your suggestion. But now I am confused as to how to correctly set this up. Do I still need to to set (nntp-authinfo-file ~/.authinfo.gpg) for each secondary select method call? And if so, where doe the epa set up come in? If you could explain how it fits together that would be great. e.g I have now (require 'auth-source) (require 'epa-file) (setq epa-file-cache-passphrase-for-symmetric-encryption t) ;;VERY Important (if (file-exists-p ~/.authinfo.gpg) (setq auth-sources '((:source ~/.authinfo.gpg :host t :protocol t))) (setq auth-sources '((:source ~/.authinfo :host t :protocol t (setq mml2015-encrypt-to-self t mml2015-cache-passphrase t mml2015-passphrase-cache-expiry 6 mml2015-verbose t) (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '(nntp motzarella (nntp-address news.eternal-september.org) (nntp-authinfo-file ~/.authinfo.gpg) (nntp-port-number 119) ) ) so I am wondering where the auth-sources fits in now? ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Gnus and pgp
Ted Zlatanov t...@lifelogs.com writes: On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:08:11 +0100 Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com wrote: RR I wasn't aware you could do that! Works reliably now indicating an issue RR with emacs talking to the agent. Since EPA is part of Emacs proper, you should file a bug. I know it's not easy to repeat the bug but it certainly seems annoying. On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:20:44 +0100 Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com wrote: RR Works fine now with your suggestion. But now I am confused as to how to RR correctly set this up. Do I still need to to set (nntp-authinfo-file RR ~/.authinfo.gpg) for each secondary select method call? And if so, RR where doe the epa set up come in? If you could explain how it fits RR together that would be great. I set the authinfo file globally, with just auth-sources. I don't set it per select method. You can, but the effect will be different and I don't know for sure it will work correctly. Without specifying (nntp-authinfo-file ~/.authinfo.gpg) in my secondary methods it does not connect :-( But just to confirm : with no such line gnus should use the auth-sources? When you load EPG/EPA (I forget the exact package demarkation) a handler is set up for .gpg files *by default* (you can change that). When you open or save such a file, it's automatically decoded or encoded by the EPG/EPA handlers. All of this is outside Gnus. So specifying a .gpg file for auth-sources is no different than a regular file. Ted -- ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
bbdb-complete-name : need alist
I was wondering if anyone with more eLisp foo than me has perhaps already clipped out the necessary code in bbdb-complete-name to provide an alist of possible completions? I ask because then one might easily produce a company-mode backed for bbdb name completions in gnus to/from fields. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: How can I delete all emails at a time?
Katsumi Yamaoka yama...@jpl.org writes: Water Lin wrote: Is there any way I can delete all emails in my mailbox without using mark command # ? How about `C-u G DEL' in the group buffer? That kills the group too. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Gnus and pgp
I just wonder how many of you were using pgp and something like gupg-agent? I was having terrible connection problems for ages with a set up like this: , | (require 'auth-source) | (require 'epa-file) | (setq epa-file-cache-passphrase-for-symmetric-encryption t) ;;VERY Important | (if (file-exists-p ~/.authinfo) | (setq auth-sources '((:source ~/.authinfo :host t :protocol t))) | (setq auth-sources '((:source ~/.authinfo.gpg :host t :protocol t | (setq | mml2015-encrypt-to-self t | mml2015-cache-passphrase t | mml2015-passphrase-cache-expiry 6 | mml2015-verbose t) ` When using the .gpg, hard to pinpoint but constant refusals to connect to a server (nntp) when doing a refresh or even starting Gnus for the first time. Often quitting gnus and then restarting fixed it. I know the default above is .authinfo as that is my set up now (I just recreated the .authinfo from the .gpg file) and all connection issues vanished. Is anyone else here using the epa stuff with more success? Can you share your setup? I would love to use the (chmodded) .authinfo and replace with a .gpg but it doesn't seem very stable with my set up above. I know the agent was running fine. Emacs 23 in Debian backports. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Multiple Message Forwarding/Attaching
Nicolas KOWALSKI n...@petole.demisel.net writes: Thanks for your help Tassilo, Tassilo Horn tass...@member.fsf.org writes: | A S runs the command gnus-sticky-article, which is an interactive compiled Lisp | function in `gnus-art.el'. Ok, so I can not use it, because this function does not exist on my system, Gnus v5.11, GNU Emacs 22.2.1 on Debian Lenny. Too bad :-| You might consider adding backports to your Lenny sources. Emacs 23 works well from that on Lenny. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=emacs23 ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Forwarding mail with NO headers
Reiner Steib reinersteib+gm...@imap.cc writes: On Mon, Nov 02 2009, Richard Riley wrote: Bill Day williamson@gmail.com writes: C-c C-f C-c copies the email I am responding to and ALL headers into my new email. Not sure what command you have bound to `C-c C-f C-c'. In message mode, C-c C-f C-c runs the command message-goto-cc, in the summary buffer C-c C-f runs the command gnus-summary-mail-forward. What command (or gnus.el configuration) can I use to get gnus to default to forwarding only the message body (and any attachments) but NOT the message headers into my forwarded email? Related: it would be nice to forward a mail without the original to/cc fields. What's wrong with `message-forward-ignored-headers'? I give up. What is? Thanks! ,[ (info (message)Forwarding) ] | `message-forward-ignored-headers' | All headers that match this regexp will be deleted when forwarding | a message. ` Bye, Reiner. -- ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Emacs Gnus open error?
Shenli zhushe...@gmail.com writes: Hi all, I have used Emacs for several month, love it and try to use it as a mail/news client. After set gnus-select-method(is it the minimal setting option?) by custom-set-variables '(gnus-select-method (quote (nntp gnu.emacs.bug))) I try to link to the news server, but Emacs give out error as below. Unable to open server nntp+gnu.emacs.bug, go offline? nntp (gnu.emacs.bug) open error: '', Continue? My environment is WinXP and Emacs23.1. Any suggestion is welcome! Thanks, Shenli gnu.emacs.bug is not an nntp server afaik ... more likely it is a group. You can sign up for a free nntp server account here: http://www.eternal-september.org then add it to your select methods with , | (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods | '(nntp motzarella | (nntp-authinfo-file ~/.authinfo.gpg) |(nntp-address news.eternal-september.org) | (nntp-port-number 119) | ) | ) ` regards r. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Password sending mail only once
The basics of the password caching are bits with cache in them below - as with all systems (well, Linux ones..) the devil is in the details of how they deal with things like gpg-agent. Unfortunately Linux distros tend to do things differently but the same kind of ... I battled like hell with gpg-agent because of the way apps pick up how to talk to it. Bottom line : you need a caching agent. Google up password cache agent with your distro name and throw in emacs too and ... The mml2015 stuff really confused me a while back because documentation was thin on the ground and I really didnt know whether to use epa or whatever. It was kind of in a transition phase at the time. I suspect if you post your emacs version someone out there will have a set up for you. regards r. Torben Knudsen t...@es.aau.dk writes: Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com writes: Thanks for the below advice. I am a bit squared that it will take me some time to make the below work for me. Isn't there a simpler solution? Torben Knudsen t...@es.aau.dk writes: Some time ago I was asked for a password when sending mail only the first time in a gnus session. Now I am asked every time I send a mail. How can I get back to only given the password once? I prefer solutions with out storing password anywhere. Given it once is what I prefer. I have found some info on the net but nothing I could handle with my limited skills. With emacs 23 I have the following set up: , | ;; encryption stuff | (require 'auth-source) | (require 'epa-file) | (setq epa-file-cache-passphrase-for-symmetric-encryption t) ;;VERY Important | (if (file-exists-p ~/.authinfo.gpg) | (setq auth-sources '((:source ~/.authinfo.gpg :host t :protocol t))) | (setq auth-sources '((:source ~/.authinfo :host t :protocol t | ;; no idea whats needed with mm2015 : the documentation is sparse | (setq | mml2015-encrypt-to-self t | mml2015-cache-passphrase t | mml2015-passphrase-cache-expiry 60 | mml2015-verbose t) ` And in my gnus-posting-style something like , | (setq gnus-posting-styles `((.* |(name Richard Riley) |(from Richard Riley riley-...@gmail.com) |(eval(setq gnushush-user-agent-header (quote real))) |(signature-file ~/.emacs.d/.sigs/rgr.sig) |(eval (setq mml2015-signers '(b39d104a))) |(organization aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net ` It's been a while since I went through to remove the wheat from the chaff but the mml2025 (what!?) set are key for signing I think. For caching the password my setup uses gpg-agent. The only messy thing I found was the need to export the required environment variables in order that things like emacs knew which cache process to talk to. For that I used , | keychain . $HOME/.keychain/$HOSTNAME-sh-gpg /dev/null 21 ` keychain takes care of using an existing agent or starting one if necessary in .bash_env on my system. It might be unnecessary on a cleaner set up. It caused quite a lot of frustration back when I got this working. Hopefully enough to get you going, regards r. -- googletalk/jabber : rileyrg...@googlemail.com ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: Password sending mail only once
Torben Knudsen t...@es.aau.dk writes: Some time ago I was asked for a password when sending mail only the first time in a gnus session. Now I am asked every time I send a mail. How can I get back to only given the password once? I prefer solutions with out storing password anywhere. Given it once is what I prefer. I have found some info on the net but nothing I could handle with my limited skills. With emacs 23 I have the following set up: , | ;; encryption stuff | (require 'auth-source) | (require 'epa-file) | (setq epa-file-cache-passphrase-for-symmetric-encryption t) ;;VERY Important | (if (file-exists-p ~/.authinfo.gpg) | (setq auth-sources '((:source ~/.authinfo.gpg :host t :protocol t))) | (setq auth-sources '((:source ~/.authinfo :host t :protocol t | ;; no idea whats needed with mm2015 : the documentation is sparse | (setq | mml2015-encrypt-to-self t | mml2015-cache-passphrase t | mml2015-passphrase-cache-expiry 60 | mml2015-verbose t) ` And in my gnus-posting-style something like , | (setq gnus-posting-styles `((.* | (name Richard Riley) | (from Richard Riley riley-...@gmail.com) | (eval(setq gnushush-user-agent-header (quote real))) | (signature-file ~/.emacs.d/.sigs/rgr.sig) | (eval (setq mml2015-signers '(b39d104a))) | (organization aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net ` It's been a while since I went through to remove the wheat from the chaff but the mml2025 (what!?) set are key for signing I think. For caching the password my setup uses gpg-agent. The only messy thing I found was the need to export the required environment variables in order that things like emacs knew which cache process to talk to. For that I used , | keychain . $HOME/.keychain/$HOSTNAME-sh-gpg /dev/null 21 ` keychain takes care of using an existing agent or starting one if necessary in .bash_env on my system. It might be unnecessary on a cleaner set up. It caused quite a lot of frustration back when I got this working. Hopefully enough to get you going, regards r. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
registry and marks - possibly bug in emacs 23?
using debian testing's emacs23/gnus, running a mark function from the menu fails with , | Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function gnus-registry-set-article-Important-mark) ` but running this from M-x it appears to work. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: BBDB and Google
Ross Patterson m...@rpatterson.net writes: Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com writes: Has anyone here successfully synced BBDB with the Gmail contact syncml server? If so can you share your secrets please!? I wrote my own little utility for elisp and python utility for exporting gmail filter XML from BBDB gnus-private and gnus-public fields used for BBDB based splitting in gnus. They might be of some use. http://pypi.python.org/pypi/bbdb.gmailfilter http://gitorious.org/bbdb-gmailfilter Ross Thanks. I'm not sure I understand what the bbdb.gmailfilter is for. Can you give a usage example? I don't really understand the term export gmail filters. Why would one export filters? ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
BBDB and Google
Has anyone here successfully synced BBDB with the Gmail contact syncml server? If so can you share your secrets please!? regards r. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: German news server
Andrea Crotti kerny...@gmail.com writes: On 30 Set, 17:52, Mark T. B. Carroll m...@ixod.org wrote: Your institution or ISP may provide one. If you're at RWTH Aachen, I don't think they do any more, but I could be wrong, and your department may provide one even if the University doesn't. As you're in Germany, you may want to take a look athttp://www.open-news-network.org/or pay a little tohttp://news.individual.net/ I tried all the keywords I could think of but with no luck... http://www.newzbot.com/can be helpful, but I always like to try to make sure I have some kind of permission to use the server. (-: Mark OK thanks a lot for the infos, and where could I find if RWTH has a news server? Here http://www.international.rwth-aachen.de/li/c/tfa/?lang=en I only see that there is a group... And what about the information about the subscriptions/scoring/etc... I lose them when I change server with gnus? I can also pay 10€ a year if it works well and I have a definitive solution, anyone using it? Why pay anything? http://www.eternal-september.org/ Never a problem with it. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: My signature and its (missing) space
Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be writes: Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com writes: Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be writes: Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com writes: Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be writes: Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com writes: Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be writes: a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: How? Like this, I think I did not do anything more to configure MailCrypt. You quoted a lot of stuff which to my untrained eyes didn't look like it had anything to do with Mailcrypt or defining that you want all your outgoing articles (Inline) pgp-signed. That is everything I can give. I do not see any other interesting elements in my .gnus and .emacs. I thought Mailcrypt was deprecated a long time ago? Isn't the currently recommended way epg? According to http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/#download, the last version is of Sept. 26, 2002. You should be right, but I did not had any echoes about this. Everything that I can say is that it works pretty well. Except for the problems? :-) It is not a real problem for me, but I was astonished about such reactions concerning my signature. What reaction? It was merely pointed out hat your signature is incorrectly set and that Gnu normally does it correctly. This suggests a bug in Gnu or an error on your part. I hadn't thought that people would notice such a thing! You notice it when you reply. Gnus automatically cuts of the signature when its properly set. You not setting it correctly means it must be manually done or one must change the regexp which matches the -- . It's a minor inconvenience. Not the end of the world. Yes, but I was surprised as it is a detail. I had never thought that people would notice such a detail. But I anyway find it important. Did you try the settings I posted for using epa? I know it wasn't documented properly a while ago but I think its improved. Yes, but it does not work with my settings. The configuration seems really difficult, to make your code working in adequacy with my proper settings. What settings do you have where you think the 2 or 3 lines I showed you dont work? Someone else helpfully suggested you are using the wrong, out of date and non supported mailcrypt for some reason. You need to use epa. Principally, I have parameterized MIME settings for PGnus. What does that mean? I am using a special configuration with homemade parameters. Here are the potential things which would potentially interfere with my settings: 1. MIME Settings (from my .gnus): ;; MIME Settings for PGnus (require 'mm-util) (defun mm-read-charset (prompt) Return a charset. 'iso-8859-15) (setq gnus-default-posting-charset (quote iso-8859-15)) (setq gnus-article-decode-mime-words t) (setq gnus-article-decode-charset 1) (setq gnus-mime-view-all-parts t) ; View all the MIME parts in current article (setq gnus-ignored-mime-types '(text/x-vcard)) (setq gnus-unbuttonized-mime-types nil) ; MIME type - no buttons when rendered (setq ;; Add buttons gnus-treat-buttonize t ;; Add buttons to the head gnus-treat-buttonize-head 'head ;; Emphasize text gnus-treat-emphasize t ;; Fill the article gnus-treat-fill-article nil ; ;; Remove carriage returns gnus-treat-strip-cr 'last ;; Hide headers gnus-treat-hide-headers 'head ; ;; Hide boring headers gnus-treat-hide-boring-headers 'head ;; Hide the signature gnus-treat-hide-signature nil ;; Hide cited text ; gnus-treat-hide-citation nil ;; Strip PGP signatures gnus-treat-strip-pgp 'last ; ;; Strip PEM signatures gnus-treat-strip-pem 'last ;; Highlight the headers gnus-treat-highlight-headers 'head ;; Highlight cited text ; gnus-treat-highlight-citation 'last ;; Highlight the signature gnus-treat-highlight-signature 'last ;; Display the Date in UT (GMT) gnus-treat-date-ut nil ;; Display the Date in the local timezone gnus-treat-date-local nil ;; Display the date in the original timezone gnus-treat-date-original nil ;; Strip trailing blank lines gnus-treat-strip-trailing-blank-lines 'last ;; Strip leading blank lines gnus-treat-strip-leading-blank-lines 'last ;; Strip multiple blank lines gnus-treat-strip-multiple-blank-lines 'last ;; Strip all blank lines ;; gnus-treat-strip-blank-lines nil ;; Treat overstrike highlighting gnus-treat-overstrike 'last ) ;;* show the text/plain part before the text/html part in multpart/alternative (require 'mm-decode) ;;;-- no way do compile with this ; ;;;--(push text/plain mm-alternative-precedence) ;;;--(setq mm-alternative-precedence text/plain) (message gnus.el: MIME initialized) 2. I had pretty nothing to do to configure Mailcrypt correctly (it was really a straightforward installation). Thus, I am having various parts of my Gnus being mixed
Re: My signature and its (missing) space
Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be writes: Okay. I tried these settings, but I encounter a problem: neither auth-sources nor epa-file are found. Can I download them somewhere? If so, under which name? google emacs epg download. http://www.easypg.org/ Maybe consider moving to emacs 23 too? I hadn't realised you were on 22, but I used epa/epg (what is its name?) with that too. Good luck, r. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: My signature and its (missing) space
Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be writes: Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com writes: Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be writes: Okay. I tried these settings, but I encounter a problem: neither auth-sources nor epa-file are found. Can I download them somewhere? If so, under which name? google emacs epg download. http://www.easypg.org/ Nice. Just a question: will moving to EasyPG erases Mailcrypt? I need to be able to sign every mail (to some given persons), for various purposes, and I am frightened about the idea of seeing EasyPG not working on my config. What is important or non portable about your config? I dont see any mailcrypt specific there or nothing not easily ported. Maybe consider moving to emacs 23 too? I hadn't realised you were on 22, but I used epa/epg (what is its name?) with that too. Why? If you have a stable configuration, and that the upgrades does not worth it, why changing? You know what you have, but not what you may have. Err .. this thread has been going on a while now :-) But fine, the link is above and the rest is just tinkering I hope for you. FWIW, Emacs 23 is nice. Why not move to it? What in your config is so specifically Emacs 22? Why not try? I'm sure any feedback would be appreciated too! ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: My signature and its (missing) space
Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be writes: Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com writes: Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be writes: a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: How? Like this, I think I did not do anything more to configure MailCrypt. You quoted a lot of stuff which to my untrained eyes didn't look like it had anything to do with Mailcrypt or defining that you want all your outgoing articles (Inline) pgp-signed. That is everything I can give. I do not see any other interesting elements in my .gnus and .emacs. I thought Mailcrypt was deprecated a long time ago? Isn't the currently recommended way epg? According to http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/#download, the last version is of Sept. 26, 2002. You should be right, but I did not had any echoes about this. Everything that I can say is that it works pretty well. Except for the problems? :-) It is not a real problem for me, but I was astonished about such reactions concerning my signature. What reaction? It was merely pointed out hat your signature is incorrectly set and that Gnu normally does it correctly. This suggests a bug in Gnu or an error on your part. Did you try the settings I posted for using epa? I know it wasn't documented properly a while ago but I think its improved. Yes, but it does not work with my settings. The configuration seems really difficult, to make your code working in adequacy with my proper settings. What settings do you have where you think the 2 or 3 lines I showed you dont work? Someone else helpfully suggested you are using the wrong, out of date and non supported mailcrypt for some reason. You need to use epa. -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: BUG: Uses modulus at the place of the number
Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be writes: a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: How is Gnus supposed to interpret a negative amount of threads? As I said, I think that it would be coherent to display, in such a case, a message like Unable to fetch the group, which is displayed when an 0 amount of thread is specified. Funny enough I decided to try the - number. It seemed to fetch the earliest N posts. What do you mean it bugs? What happens exactly? Gnus loads the number of threads which was specified, minus the sign. If I type -1, it downloads 1 message. And the date on that message? -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: My signature and its (missing) space
Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be writes: Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com writes: Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be writes: Richard Riley rileyrg...@gmail.com writes: Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be writes: a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: How? Like this, I think I did not do anything more to configure MailCrypt. You quoted a lot of stuff which to my untrained eyes didn't look like it had anything to do with Mailcrypt or defining that you want all your outgoing articles (Inline) pgp-signed. That is everything I can give. I do not see any other interesting elements in my .gnus and .emacs. I thought Mailcrypt was deprecated a long time ago? Isn't the currently recommended way epg? According to http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/#download, the last version is of Sept. 26, 2002. You should be right, but I did not had any echoes about this. Everything that I can say is that it works pretty well. Except for the problems? :-) It is not a real problem for me, but I was astonished about such reactions concerning my signature. What reaction? It was merely pointed out hat your signature is incorrectly set and that Gnu normally does it correctly. This suggests a bug in Gnu or an error on your part. I hadn't thought that people would notice such a thing! You notice it when you reply. Gnus automatically cuts of the signature when its properly set. You not setting it correctly means it must be manually done or one must change the regexp which matches the -- . It's a minor inconvenience. Not the end of the world. Did you try the settings I posted for using epa? I know it wasn't documented properly a while ago but I think its improved. Yes, but it does not work with my settings. The configuration seems really difficult, to make your code working in adequacy with my proper settings. What settings do you have where you think the 2 or 3 lines I showed you dont work? Someone else helpfully suggested you are using the wrong, out of date and non supported mailcrypt for some reason. You need to use epa. Principally, I have parameterized MIME settings for PGnus. What does that mean? I'm confused as to why you seem so reluctant to use epa as suggested by 2 or 3 different people. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: PGP verification fails if there is an attachment
Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be writes: Hello, When attaching some file to one of my outgoing e-mails, the receiver receives the mail correctly, but my PGP signature is altered, as he receives the warning PGP signature check failed. I tested in an e-mail I sent to me, using Thunderbird for fetching, and I encounter the following messages: gpg invalid clash escaped line --=-=-=\n (two times) gpg Signature made ... using DSA key ... gpg BAD signature from 'Merciadri Luca' This seems linked to my signature problem, doesn't it? Any solution would be much appreciated. -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ I just tested it using emacs 23 and epa. Worked ok. So it looks like your loading/using something old or incorrectly configured. See other post for my settings and I hope it helps. regards r. ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: My signature and its (missing) space
Merciadri Luca luca.mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be writes: a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: How? Like this, I think I did not do anything more to configure MailCrypt. You quoted a lot of stuff which to my untrained eyes didn't look like it had anything to do with Mailcrypt or defining that you want all your outgoing articles (Inline) pgp-signed. That is everything I can give. I do not see any other interesting elements in my .gnus and .emacs. I thought Mailcrypt was deprecated a long time ago? Isn't the currently recommended way epg? According to http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/#download, the last version is of Sept. 26, 2002. You should be right, but I did not had any echoes about this. Everything that I can say is that it works pretty well. Except for the problems? :-) Did you try the settings I posted for using epa? I know it wasn't documented properly a while ago but I think its improved. see: message ID : h8trc4$r6...@news.eternal-september.org -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
