RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad...
Oh my gosh, I put in sarcasm tags, and it stripped them out when I sent the email. Sort of removed the whole point of my message! Lol. --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com Twitter: limbert65 Onverse avatar SurdeahP Onverse address Metroview Penthouse 15, house #1. From: Richardson,Tony trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 5:01 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... I'll have to remember them next time. LOL Thanks, Tony Richardson, Network Administrator / Director of Technology Humboldt Community School District trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us on behalf of Tim Limbert Sent: Fri 4/30/2010 4:22 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... You forgot your tags. Some of us are slow, and we'll take it literally. D'oh, I forgot mine, too! --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com Twitter: limbert65 Onverse avatar SurdeahP Onverse address Metroview Penthouse 15, house #1. From: Richardson,Tony Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:12 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Now that Kurt has been beaten into submission by philosophy and stoned to death with apples can we move on? From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:13 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Would everyone have been happier if I directly called it the idiot-savant of the computer world? It is very good for some what I would consider limited tasks, but almost torture for use in many common tasks. For example, I am using this ipad for connecting to a terminal server, and running outlook 2010. However, even though it will do it, it is taking at least three times longer to type than it would on my cell phone. Further tests on the ibook and kindle apps have also proven disappointing to the teachers who have tried it and they are not used to or willing to compromise. But, I still insist that it is a very usable tool. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Tim Limbert Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:54 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... I agree about the language, not so much about the unsolicited opinions. If Kurt had what he considered to be an educated opinion about a potential educational device (and one that we've been discussing quite a bit), I don't think it's unreasonable to review it. I disagree with some of his premises and conclusions, but that's not a problem. Am I off-base about that? I honestly ask, because if I had an iPad in my possession, I probably would have posted my opinions about it here, too. --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com Twitter: limbert65 Onverse avatar SurdeahP Onverse address Metroview Penthouse 15, house #1. From: Lance Lennon Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:38 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... I concur with Karl on this one. As much as I dislike some of the items that I have to support, if they are for the good of the students and the betterment of education, then I support them. Also agree with the reminder that this list is public and that offensive and off color remarks have no place here. This list is incredibly useful but is not the proper forum for venting and / or placing unsolicited critiques of new technologies. On Apr 30, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Karl Hehr wrote: Congratulations, you have poked me with a stick enough times to illicit a response. This review had no purpose and was unsolicited. This list exists to answer questions, support and learn, not o offer opinions on products unless asked for. http://www.pcworld.com/article/195320/is_hps_slate_dead.html Your precious Slate might be DBA (Dead Before Arrival). In your review of this product did you download and use the Pages, Keynote, or Numbers, all productivity tools? Also, it is no big secret that you are an unabashed Apple hater so how may I ask were you objective? Is the iPad (or any other product) perfect, heck no. Comparing a product IN YOUR HAND to a product THAT DOES NOT EXIST is a pointless argument. Can you do that same things on an iPad you can do on a laptop, no. The iPad is a MOBILE device and NOT a computer. Can your Blackberry edit videos, upload to google docs, read
RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad...
Ok, it just stripped them from the reply. I get it now. Duh. --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com Twitter: limbert65 Onverse avatar SurdeahP Onverse address Metroview Penthouse 15, house #1. From: Richardson,Tony trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 5:01 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... I'll have to remember them next time. LOL Thanks, Tony Richardson, Network Administrator / Director of Technology Humboldt Community School District trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us on behalf of Tim Limbert Sent: Fri 4/30/2010 4:22 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... You forgot your tags. Some of us are slow, and we'll take it literally. D'oh, I forgot mine, too! --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com Twitter: limbert65 Onverse avatar SurdeahP Onverse address Metroview Penthouse 15, house #1. From: Richardson,Tony Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:12 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Now that Kurt has been beaten into submission by philosophy and stoned to death with apples can we move on? From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:13 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Would everyone have been happier if I directly called it the idiot-savant of the computer world? It is very good for some what I would consider limited tasks, but almost torture for use in many common tasks. For example, I am using this ipad for connecting to a terminal server, and running outlook 2010. However, even though it will do it, it is taking at least three times longer to type than it would on my cell phone. Further tests on the ibook and kindle apps have also proven disappointing to the teachers who have tried it and they are not used to or willing to compromise. But, I still insist that it is a very usable tool. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Tim Limbert Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:54 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... I agree about the language, not so much about the unsolicited opinions. If Kurt had what he considered to be an educated opinion about a potential educational device (and one that we've been discussing quite a bit), I don't think it's unreasonable to review it. I disagree with some of his premises and conclusions, but that's not a problem. Am I off-base about that? I honestly ask, because if I had an iPad in my possession, I probably would have posted my opinions about it here, too. --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com Twitter: limbert65 Onverse avatar SurdeahP Onverse address Metroview Penthouse 15, house #1. From: Lance Lennon Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:38 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... I concur with Karl on this one. As much as I dislike some of the items that I have to support, if they are for the good of the students and the betterment of education, then I support them. Also agree with the reminder that this list is public and that offensive and off color remarks have no place here. This list is incredibly useful but is not the proper forum for venting and / or placing unsolicited critiques of new technologies. On Apr 30, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Karl Hehr wrote: Congratulations, you have poked me with a stick enough times to illicit a response. This review had no purpose and was unsolicited. This list exists to answer questions, support and learn, not o offer opinions on products unless asked for. http://www.pcworld.com/article/195320/is_hps_slate_dead.html Your precious Slate might be DBA (Dead Before Arrival). In your review of this product did you download and use the Pages, Keynote, or Numbers, all productivity tools? Also, it is no big secret that you are an unabashed Apple hater so how may I ask were you objective? Is the iPad (or any other product) perfect, heck no. Comparing a product IN YOUR HAND to a product THAT DOES NOT EXIST is a pointless argument. Can you do that same things on an iPad you can do on a laptop, no. The iPad is a MOBILE device and NOT a computer. Can your Blackberry edit videos, upload to google docs, read books to you, edit pictures in photshop, or run Windows 7 NO it is a freakin
RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad...
I'll have to remember them next time. LOL Thanks, Tony Richardson, Network Administrator / Director of Technology Humboldt Community School District trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us on behalf of Tim Limbert Sent: Fri 4/30/2010 4:22 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... You forgot your sarcasm/sarcasm tags. Some of us are slow, and we'll take it literally. D'oh, I forgot mine, too! --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com Twitter: limbert65 Onverse avatar SurdeahP Onverse address Metroview Penthouse 15, house #1. From: Richardson,Tony trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:12 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Now that Kurt has been beaten into submission by philosophy and stoned to death with apples can we move on? From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:13 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Would everyone have been happier if I directly called it the idiot-savant of the computer world? It is very good for some what I would consider limited tasks, but almost torture for use in many common tasks. For example, I am using this ipad for connecting to a terminal server, and running outlook 2010. However, even though it will do it, it is taking at least three times longer to type than it would on my cell phone. Further tests on the ibook and kindle apps have also proven disappointing to the teachers who have tried it and they are not used to or willing to compromise. But, I still insist that it is a very usable tool. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Tim Limbert Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:54 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... I agree about the language, not so much about the unsolicited opinions. If Kurt had what he considered to be an educated opinion about a potential educational device (and one that we've been discussing quite a bit), I don't think it's unreasonable to review it. I disagree with some of his premises and conclusions, but that's not a problem. Am I off-base about that? I honestly ask, because if I had an iPad in my possession, I probably would have posted my opinions about it here, too. --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com Twitter: limbert65 Onverse avatar SurdeahP Onverse address Metroview Penthouse 15, house #1. From: Lance Lennon llen...@eagle-grove.k12.ia.us Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:38 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... I concur with Karl on this one. As much as I dislike some of the items that I have to support, if they are for the good of the students and the betterment of education, then I support them. Also agree with the reminder that this list is public and that offensive and off color remarks have no place here. This list is incredibly useful but is not the proper forum for venting and / or placing unsolicited critiques of new technologies. On Apr 30, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Karl Hehr wrote: Congratulations, you have poked me with a stick enough times to illicit a response. This review had no purpose and was unsolicited. This list exists to answer questions, support and learn, not o offer opinions on products unless asked for. http://www.pcworld.com/article/195320/is_hps_slate_dead.html Your precious Slate might be DBA (Dead Before Arrival). In your review of this product did you download and use the Pages, Keynote, or Numbers, all productivity tools? Also, it is no big secret that you are an unabashed Apple hater so how may I ask were you objective? Is the iPad (or any other product) perfect, heck no. Comparing a product IN YOUR HAND to a product THAT DOES NOT EXIST is a pointless argument. Can you do that same things on an iPad you can do on a laptop, no. The iPad is a MOBILE device and NOT a computer. Can your Blackberry edit videos, upload to google docs, read books to you, edit pictures in photshop, or run Windows 7 NO it is a freakin mobile device. Next issue, did you even look at the tools available to deploy and control the administrative side of an iPad? The Wifi iPad goes through the same filters as all my computers when it is here on campus. Why is it so bad that a kid might spend some time looking at YouTube videos? (Different Diatribe for a different day) Now on to the next issue. It is not our job
[info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad...
Before we get into this, understand this is an honest no holds barred review. I will use some rough and possibly insulting language, but if you read it with an open mind, I think there is some valuable information, even if it is presented rather vividly. I will likely be submitting this same review word for word to Amazon and some other sites. A few years back, there was a kid who was about 14 who had an IQ of about 40, but he could listen to a piece of music once and be able to play it on a piano note for note. This ability really made him kind of cool, but at the end of the day, you just can't escape that he's still retarded. That's the Ipad in a nutshell. Despite that, I am giving this a solid buy recommendation for schools. If that makes no sense, read on, and it will. If I try to compare this to windows 7, and I will, it's kinda worthless. The HP Slate is coming out in a couple months, and it will do everything that an IPad does, and everything that a windows 7 laptop does, and costs less, or about the same actually. If you are a computer geek, like me, then the slate is a much better product. But we use the Kindle here a lot. Mainly the kindle is used is remedial reading and special-ed because the kindle will read aloud to a student, showing them the word being pronounced. Like most programs of this nature, it's got it's problems, most notably lousy inflection and pacing. But it's no worse than anything out there, and allows virtually any book to be used without additional processing. The Ipad has a Kindle app, and though I haven't fully tested it, I have no reason to think it functions any different. Now don't get me wrong, I like the kindle, for me. But I'm not buying for me. Sure, the battery life rocks. Two weeks of a single charge, that is just awesome, the ability to buy through the cellular network without buying another account? Priceless. But the weak point on a kindle has always been it's administration. Basically, if it's on there, the kid has access to it. That includes google searches for porn. On the Ipad, if I don't want a kid to surf the internet, they don't. If I don't want them to load apps, they don't. You tube? Email? Whatever, they don't, or should I say they can't. As you all know, keeping kids out of where they do not belong is always a losing battle, special-ed is even more of a challenge than the other students. That's the cool part as far as actually useful stuff goes. Sure, there are a lot of educational apps, great, great. The predictive text feature is awful from what I've seen of it, I'm working on installing an app that is supposed to be much better. But really, that's the business end of the review. Now there's the fun stuff, or thing I should say. Google Maps is included with the Ipad, and for a damn good reason. It takes total advantage of the multitouch interface. This is beyond ubercool. This one goes straight to Geek Nirvana. I fell in lust with Google Maps, and once I showed it to my girlfriend and her daughter, they proceeded to fight over it for an hour. If you have not tried this, there is just no explaining how awesome this feature is. If I could plug in GPS, it would probably throw me into a transcendental state where I spent he next 20 years in a darkened room playing with the user interface and creating the Church of Jobs. Or at least until the battery died. Ok, so here's the summary. This is a niche market thing. It's great for schools and especially special-ed. But if you are looking for a productive device, wait for the HP Slate. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus on the server aea8.k12.ia.us] - Archived messages from this list can be found at: http://www.mail-archive.com/info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us/ -
RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad...
Wonderful! Good to hear! It will keep some of us from wasting our districts money on this device. -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 7:47 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Before we get into this, understand this is an honest no holds barred review. I will use some rough and possibly insulting language, but if you read it with an open mind, I think there is some valuable information, even if it is presented rather vividly. I will likely be submitting this same review word for word to Amazon and some other sites. A few years back, there was a kid who was about 14 who had an IQ of about 40, but he could listen to a piece of music once and be able to play it on a piano note for note. This ability really made him kind of cool, but at the end of the day, you just can't escape that he's still retarded. That's the Ipad in a nutshell. Despite that, I am giving this a solid buy recommendation for schools. If that makes no sense, read on, and it will. If I try to compare this to windows 7, and I will, it's kinda worthless. The HP Slate is coming out in a couple months, and it will do everything that an IPad does, and everything that a windows 7 laptop does, and costs less, or about the same actually. If you are a computer geek, like me, then the slate is a much better product. But we use the Kindle here a lot. Mainly the kindle is used is remedial reading and special-ed because the kindle will read aloud to a student, showing them the word being pronounced. Like most programs of this nature, it's got it's problems, most notably lousy inflection and pacing. But it's no worse than anything out there, and allows virtually any book to be used without additional processing. The Ipad has a Kindle app, and though I haven't fully tested it, I have no reason to think it functions any different. Now don't get me wrong, I like the kindle, for me. But I'm not buying for me. Sure, the battery life rocks. Two weeks of a single charge, that is just awesome, the ability to buy through the cellular network without buying another account? Priceless. But the weak point on a kindle has always been it's administration. Basically, if it's on there, the kid has access to it. That includes google searches for porn. On the Ipad, if I don't want a kid to surf the internet, they don't. If I don't want them to load apps, they don't. You tube? Email? Whatever, they don't, or should I say they can't. As you all know, keeping kids out of where they do not belong is always a losing battle, special-ed is even more of a challenge than the other students. That's the cool part as far as actually useful stuff goes. Sure, there are a lot of educational apps, great, great. The predictive text feature is awful from what I've seen of it, I'm working on installing an app that is supposed to be much better. But really, that's the business end of the review. Now there's the fun stuff, or thing I should say. Google Maps is included with the Ipad, and for a damn good reason. It takes total advantage of the multitouch interface. This is beyond ubercool. This one goes straight to Geek Nirvana. I fell in lust with Google Maps, and once I showed it to my girlfriend and her daughter, they proceeded to fight over it for an hour. If you have not tried this, there is just no explaining how awesome this feature is. If I could plug in GPS, it would probably throw me into a transcendental state where I spent he next 20 years in a darkened room playing with the user interface and creating the Church of Jobs. Or at least until the battery died. Ok, so here's the summary. This is a niche market thing. It's great for schools and especially special-ed. But if you are looking for a productive device, wait for the HP Slate. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus on the server aea8.k12.ia.us] - Archived messages from this list can be found at: http://www.mail-archive.com/info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us/ - --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus on the server aea8.k12.ia.us] - Archived messages from this list can be found at: http://www.mail-archive.com/info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us/ -
RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad...
From what I have seen of it so far it looks like a consumer toy. How does Google Earth look on it? You said Google Maps was cool so Earth must be awesome! -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Richardson,Tony Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:33 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Wonderful! Good to hear! It will keep some of us from wasting our districts money on this device. -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 7:47 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Before we get into this, understand this is an honest no holds barred review. I will use some rough and possibly insulting language, but if you read it with an open mind, I think there is some valuable information, even if it is presented rather vividly. I will likely be submitting this same review word for word to Amazon and some other sites. A few years back, there was a kid who was about 14 who had an IQ of about 40, but he could listen to a piece of music once and be able to play it on a piano note for note. This ability really made him kind of cool, but at the end of the day, you just can't escape that he's still retarded. That's the Ipad in a nutshell. Despite that, I am giving this a solid buy recommendation for schools. If that makes no sense, read on, and it will. If I try to compare this to windows 7, and I will, it's kinda worthless. The HP Slate is coming out in a couple months, and it will do everything that an IPad does, and everything that a windows 7 laptop does, and costs less, or about the same actually. If you are a computer geek, like me, then the slate is a much better product. But we use the Kindle here a lot. Mainly the kindle is used is remedial reading and special-ed because the kindle will read aloud to a student, showing them the word being pronounced. Like most programs of this nature, it's got it's problems, most notably lousy inflection and pacing. But it's no worse than anything out there, and allows virtually any book to be used without additional processing. The Ipad has a Kindle app, and though I haven't fully tested it, I have no reason to think it functions any different. Now don't get me wrong, I like the kindle, for me. But I'm not buying for me. Sure, the battery life rocks. Two weeks of a single charge, that is just awesome, the ability to buy through the cellular network without buying another account? Priceless. But the weak point on a kindle has always been it's administration. Basically, if it's on there, the kid has access to it. That includes google searches for porn. On the Ipad, if I don't want a kid to surf the internet, they don't. If I don't want them to load apps, they don't. You tube? Email? Whatever, they don't, or should I say they can't. As you all know, keeping kids out of where they do not belong is always a losing battle, special-ed is even more of a challenge than the other students. That's the cool part as far as actually useful stuff goes. Sure, there are a lot of educational apps, great, great. The predictive text feature is awful from what I've seen of it, I'm working on installing an app that is supposed to be much better. But really, that's the business end of the review. Now there's the fun stuff, or thing I should say. Google Maps is included with the Ipad, and for a damn good reason. It takes total advantage of the multitouch interface. This is beyond ubercool. This one goes straight to Geek Nirvana. I fell in lust with Google Maps, and once I showed it to my girlfriend and her daughter, they proceeded to fight over it for an hour. If you have not tried this, there is just no explaining how awesome this feature is. If I could plug in GPS, it would probably throw me into a transcendental state where I spent he next 20 years in a darkened room playing with the user interface and creating the Church of Jobs. Or at least until the battery died. Ok, so here's the summary. This is a niche market thing. It's great for schools and especially special-ed. But if you are looking for a productive device, wait for the HP Slate. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus on the server aea8.k12.ia.us] - Archived messages from this list can be found at: http://www.mail-archive.com/info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us/ - --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus on the server aea8.k12.ia.us] - Archived messages from this list can be found at: http://www.mail-archive.com/info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us/ - --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus
RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad...
Never mind... I see they are one and the same with the right plugin. Wish I had more time to play with stuff like that. -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Richardson,Tony Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:52 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... From what I have seen of it so far it looks like a consumer toy. How does Google Earth look on it? You said Google Maps was cool so Earth must be awesome! -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Richardson,Tony Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:33 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Wonderful! Good to hear! It will keep some of us from wasting our districts money on this device. -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 7:47 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Before we get into this, understand this is an honest no holds barred review. I will use some rough and possibly insulting language, but if you read it with an open mind, I think there is some valuable information, even if it is presented rather vividly. I will likely be submitting this same review word for word to Amazon and some other sites. A few years back, there was a kid who was about 14 who had an IQ of about 40, but he could listen to a piece of music once and be able to play it on a piano note for note. This ability really made him kind of cool, but at the end of the day, you just can't escape that he's still retarded. That's the Ipad in a nutshell. Despite that, I am giving this a solid buy recommendation for schools. If that makes no sense, read on, and it will. If I try to compare this to windows 7, and I will, it's kinda worthless. The HP Slate is coming out in a couple months, and it will do everything that an IPad does, and everything that a windows 7 laptop does, and costs less, or about the same actually. If you are a computer geek, like me, then the slate is a much better product. But we use the Kindle here a lot. Mainly the kindle is used is remedial reading and special-ed because the kindle will read aloud to a student, showing them the word being pronounced. Like most programs of this nature, it's got it's problems, most notably lousy inflection and pacing. But it's no worse than anything out there, and allows virtually any book to be used without additional processing. The Ipad has a Kindle app, and though I haven't fully tested it, I have no reason to think it functions any different. Now don't get me wrong, I like the kindle, for me. But I'm not buying for me. Sure, the battery life rocks. Two weeks of a single charge, that is just awesome, the ability to buy through the cellular network without buying another account? Priceless. But the weak point on a kindle has always been it's administration. Basically, if it's on there, the kid has access to it. That includes google searches for porn. On the Ipad, if I don't want a kid to surf the internet, they don't. If I don't want them to load apps, they don't. You tube? Email? Whatever, they don't, or should I say they can't. As you all know, keeping kids out of where they do not belong is always a losing battle, special-ed is even more of a challenge than the other students. That's the cool part as far as actually useful stuff goes. Sure, there are a lot of educational apps, great, great. The predictive text feature is awful from what I've seen of it, I'm working on installing an app that is supposed to be much better. But really, that's the business end of the review. Now there's the fun stuff, or thing I should say. Google Maps is included with the Ipad, and for a damn good reason. It takes total advantage of the multitouch interface. This is beyond ubercool. This one goes straight to Geek Nirvana. I fell in lust with Google Maps, and once I showed it to my girlfriend and her daughter, they proceeded to fight over it for an hour. If you have not tried this, there is just no explaining how awesome this feature is. If I could plug in GPS, it would probably throw me into a transcendental state where I spent he next 20 years in a darkened room playing with the user interface and creating the Church of Jobs. Or at least until the battery died. Ok, so here's the summary. This is a niche market thing. It's great for schools and especially special-ed. But if you are looking for a productive device, wait for the HP Slate. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus on the server aea8.k12.ia.us] - Archived messages from this list can be found at: http://www.mail-archive.com/info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us
RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad...
Actually, rumor has it the HP Slate has been kicked to the curb: http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/29/hewlett-packard-to-kill-windows-7-table t-project/ So maybe the holdouts can just pick up their iPad instead of waiting for the Slate now (me included). -Original Message- From: Richardson,Tony [mailto:trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:33 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Wonderful! Good to hear! It will keep some of us from wasting our districts money on this device. -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 7:47 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Before we get into this, understand this is an honest no holds barred review. I will use some rough and possibly insulting language, but if you read it with an open mind, I think there is some valuable information, even if it is presented rather vividly. I will likely be submitting this same review word for word to Amazon and some other sites. A few years back, there was a kid who was about 14 who had an IQ of about 40, but he could listen to a piece of music once and be able to play it on a piano note for note. This ability really made him kind of cool, but at the end of the day, you just can't escape that he's still retarded. That's the Ipad in a nutshell. Despite that, I am giving this a solid buy recommendation for schools. If that makes no sense, read on, and it will. If I try to compare this to windows 7, and I will, it's kinda worthless. The HP Slate is coming out in a couple months, and it will do everything that an IPad does, and everything that a windows 7 laptop does, and costs less, or about the same actually. If you are a computer geek, like me, then the slate is a much better product. But we use the Kindle here a lot. Mainly the kindle is used is remedial reading and special-ed because the kindle will read aloud to a student, showing them the word being pronounced. Like most programs of this nature, it's got it's problems, most notably lousy inflection and pacing. But it's no worse than anything out there, and allows virtually any book to be used without additional processing. The Ipad has a Kindle app, and though I haven't fully tested it, I have no reason to think it functions any different. Now don't get me wrong, I like the kindle, for me. But I'm not buying for me. Sure, the battery life rocks. Two weeks of a single charge, that is just awesome, the ability to buy through the cellular network without buying another account? Priceless. But the weak point on a kindle has always been it's administration. Basically, if it's on there, the kid has access to it. That includes google searches for porn. On the Ipad, if I don't want a kid to surf the internet, they don't. If I don't want them to load apps, they don't. You tube? Email? Whatever, they don't, or should I say they can't. As you all know, keeping kids out of where they do not belong is always a losing battle, special-ed is even more of a challenge than the other students. That's the cool part as far as actually useful stuff goes. Sure, there are a lot of educational apps, great, great. The predictive text feature is awful from what I've seen of it, I'm working on installing an app that is supposed to be much better. But really, that's the business end of the review. Now there's the fun stuff, or thing I should say. Google Maps is included with the Ipad, and for a damn good reason. It takes total advantage of the multitouch interface. This is beyond ubercool. This one goes straight to Geek Nirvana. I fell in lust with Google Maps, and once I showed it to my girlfriend and her daughter, they proceeded to fight over it for an hour. If you have not tried this, there is just no explaining how awesome this feature is. If I could plug in GPS, it would probably throw me into a transcendental state where I spent he next 20 years in a darkened room playing with the user interface and creating the Church of Jobs. Or at least until the battery died. Ok, so here's the summary. This is a niche market thing. It's great for schools and especially special-ed. But if you are looking for a productive device, wait for the HP Slate. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus on the server aea8.k12.ia.us] - Archived messages from this list can be found at: http://www.mail-archive.com/info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us/ - --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus on the server aea8.k12.ia.us] - Archived messages from this list can be found at: http://www.mail-archive.com/info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us
Re: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad...
Congratulations, you have poked me with a stick enough times to illicit a response. This review had no purpose and was unsolicited. This list exists to answer questions, support and learn, not o offer opinions on products unless asked for. http://www.pcworld.com/article/195320/is_hps_slate_dead.html Your precious Slate might be DBA (Dead Before Arrival). In your review of this product did you download and use the Pages, Keynote, or Numbers, all productivity tools? Also, it is no big secret that you are an unabashed Apple hater so how may I ask were you objective? Is the iPad (or any other product) perfect, heck no. Comparing a product IN YOUR HAND to a product THAT DOES NOT EXIST is a pointless argument. Can you do that same things on an iPad you can do on a laptop, no. The iPad is a MOBILE device and NOT a computer. Can your Blackberry edit videos, upload to google docs, read books to you, edit pictures in photshop, or run Windows 7 NO it is a freakin mobile device. Next issue, did you even look at the tools available to deploy and control the administrative side of an iPad? The Wifi iPad goes through the same filters as all my computers when it is here on campus. Why is it so bad that a kid might spend some time looking at YouTube videos? (Different Diatribe for a different day) Now on to the next issue. It is not our job to decide what should and shouldn't be used in education, it is our job to listen to what is needed and make it happen. Even if the request is technically difficult or even requires a change in firewall policies. We are here to support education and the staff that has been hired to educate. We are not the gate keepers saying what can or will be done. I suggest, discuss, and implore but ultimately it is not my say. I want to unblock Facebook but my board says no, so I have to listen. Last bit, this is an archived and posted on the internet listserv so your comment about the retarded kids will now go down in all Internet history, which as an educator first I am embarrassed for you. As IT professionals in education we need to function in a different manner and work within a different rule set than our counterparts at Aviva or Wells Fargo. Karl H. Hehr Technology/Curriculum Director South Hamilton CSD www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us 515.827.5418 (W) 515.209.9767 (C) 515.827.5368 (F) Luddite by Degrees 1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of things --- Douglas Adams On Apr 30, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Stanzel, Matt wrote: Actually, rumor has it the HP Slate has been kicked to the curb: http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/29/hewlett-packard-to-kill-windows-7-table t-project/ So maybe the holdouts can just pick up their iPad instead of waiting for the Slate now (me included). -Original Message- From: Richardson,Tony [mailto:trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:33 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Wonderful! Good to hear! It will keep some of us from wasting our districts money on this device. -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 7:47 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Before we get into this, understand this is an honest no holds barred review. I will use some rough and possibly insulting language, but if you read it with an open mind, I think there is some valuable information, even if it is presented rather vividly. I will likely be submitting this same review word for word to Amazon and some other sites. A few years back, there was a kid who was about 14 who had an IQ of about 40, but he could listen to a piece of music once and be able to play it on a piano note for note. This ability really made him kind of cool, but at the end of the day, you just can't escape that he's still retarded. That's the Ipad in a nutshell. Despite that, I am giving this a solid buy recommendation for schools. If that makes no sense, read on, and it will. If I try to compare this to windows 7, and I will, it's kinda worthless. The HP Slate is coming out in a couple months, and it will do everything that an IPad does, and everything that a windows 7 laptop does, and costs less, or about the same actually. If you are a computer geek, like me, then the slate is a much better product. But we use the Kindle here a lot. Mainly the kindle is used
RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad...
Slashdot said the same. -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Stanzel, Matt Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:25 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Actually, rumor has it the HP Slate has been kicked to the curb: http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/29/hewlett-packard-to-kill-windows-7-table t-project/ So maybe the holdouts can just pick up their iPad instead of waiting for the Slate now (me included). -Original Message- From: Richardson,Tony [mailto:trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:33 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Wonderful! Good to hear! It will keep some of us from wasting our districts money on this device. -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 7:47 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Before we get into this, understand this is an honest no holds barred review. I will use some rough and possibly insulting language, but if you read it with an open mind, I think there is some valuable information, even if it is presented rather vividly. I will likely be submitting this same review word for word to Amazon and some other sites. A few years back, there was a kid who was about 14 who had an IQ of about 40, but he could listen to a piece of music once and be able to play it on a piano note for note. This ability really made him kind of cool, but at the end of the day, you just can't escape that he's still retarded. That's the Ipad in a nutshell. Despite that, I am giving this a solid buy recommendation for schools. If that makes no sense, read on, and it will. If I try to compare this to windows 7, and I will, it's kinda worthless. The HP Slate is coming out in a couple months, and it will do everything that an IPad does, and everything that a windows 7 laptop does, and costs less, or about the same actually. If you are a computer geek, like me, then the slate is a much better product. But we use the Kindle here a lot. Mainly the kindle is used is remedial reading and special-ed because the kindle will read aloud to a student, showing them the word being pronounced. Like most programs of this nature, it's got it's problems, most notably lousy inflection and pacing. But it's no worse than anything out there, and allows virtually any book to be used without additional processing. The Ipad has a Kindle app, and though I haven't fully tested it, I have no reason to think it functions any different. Now don't get me wrong, I like the kindle, for me. But I'm not buying for me. Sure, the battery life rocks. Two weeks of a single charge, that is just awesome, the ability to buy through the cellular network without buying another account? Priceless. But the weak point on a kindle has always been it's administration. Basically, if it's on there, the kid has access to it. That includes google searches for porn. On the Ipad, if I don't want a kid to surf the internet, they don't. If I don't want them to load apps, they don't. You tube? Email? Whatever, they don't, or should I say they can't. As you all know, keeping kids out of where they do not belong is always a losing battle, special-ed is even more of a challenge than the other students. That's the cool part as far as actually useful stuff goes. Sure, there are a lot of educational apps, great, great. The predictive text feature is awful from what I've seen of it, I'm working on installing an app that is supposed to be much better. But really, that's the business end of the review. Now there's the fun stuff, or thing I should say. Google Maps is included with the Ipad, and for a damn good reason. It takes total advantage of the multitouch interface. This is beyond ubercool. This one goes straight to Geek Nirvana. I fell in lust with Google Maps, and once I showed it to my girlfriend and her daughter, they proceeded to fight over it for an hour. If you have not tried this, there is just no explaining how awesome this feature is. If I could plug in GPS, it would probably throw me into a transcendental state where I spent he next 20 years in a darkened room playing with the user interface and creating the Church of Jobs. Or at least until the battery died. Ok, so here's the summary. This is a niche market thing. It's great for schools and especially special-ed. But if you are looking for a productive device, wait for the HP Slate. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus on the server aea8.k12.ia.us] - Archived messages from this list can be found at: http://www.mail-archive.com/info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us/ - --- [This E-mail scanned
Re: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad...
I concur with Karl on this one. As much as I dislike some of the items that I have to support, if they are for the good of the students and the betterment of education, then I support them. Also agree with the reminder that this list is public and that offensive and off color remarks have no place here. This list is incredibly useful but is not the proper forum for venting and / or placing unsolicited critiques of new technologies. On Apr 30, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Karl Hehr wrote: Congratulations, you have poked me with a stick enough times to illicit a response. This review had no purpose and was unsolicited. This list exists to answer questions, support and learn, not o offer opinions on products unless asked for. http://www.pcworld.com/article/195320/is_hps_slate_dead.html Your precious Slate might be DBA (Dead Before Arrival). In your review of this product did you download and use the Pages, Keynote, or Numbers, all productivity tools? Also, it is no big secret that you are an unabashed Apple hater so how may I ask were you objective? Is the iPad (or any other product) perfect, heck no. Comparing a product IN YOUR HAND to a product THAT DOES NOT EXIST is a pointless argument. Can you do that same things on an iPad you can do on a laptop, no. The iPad is a MOBILE device and NOT a computer. Can your Blackberry edit videos, upload to google docs, read books to you, edit pictures in photshop, or run Windows 7 NO it is a freakin mobile device. Next issue, did you even look at the tools available to deploy and control the administrative side of an iPad? The Wifi iPad goes through the same filters as all my computers when it is here on campus. Why is it so bad that a kid might spend some time looking at YouTube videos? (Different Diatribe for a different day) Now on to the next issue. It is not our job to decide what should and shouldn't be used in education, it is our job to listen to what is needed and make it happen. Even if the request is technically difficult or even requires a change in firewall policies. We are here to support education and the staff that has been hired to educate. We are not the gate keepers saying what can or will be done. I suggest, discuss, and implore but ultimately it is not my say. I want to unblock Facebook but my board says no, so I have to listen. Last bit, this is an archived and posted on the internet listserv so your comment about the retarded kids will now go down in all Internet history, which as an educator first I am embarrassed for you. As IT professionals in education we need to function in a different manner and work within a different rule set than our counterparts at Aviva or Wells Fargo. Karl H. Hehr Technology/Curriculum Director South Hamilton CSD www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us 515.827.5418 (W) 515.209.9767 (C) 515.827.5368 (F) Luddite by Degrees 1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of things --- Douglas Adams On Apr 30, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Stanzel, Matt wrote: Actually, rumor has it the HP Slate has been kicked to the curb: http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/29/hewlett-packard-to-kill-windows-7-table t-project/ So maybe the holdouts can just pick up their iPad instead of waiting for the Slate now (me included). -Original Message- From: Richardson,Tony [mailto:trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:33 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Wonderful! Good to hear! It will keep some of us from wasting our districts money on this device. -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 7:47 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Before we get into this, understand this is an honest no holds barred review. I will use some rough and possibly insulting language, but if you read it with an open mind, I think there is some valuable information, even if it is presented rather vividly. I will likely be submitting this same review word for word to Amazon and some other sites. A few years back, there was a kid who was about 14 who had an IQ of about 40, but he could listen to a piece of music once and be able to play it on a piano note for note. This ability really made him kind of cool, but at the end of the day, you just can't escape that he's still retarded. That's the Ipad in a nutshell. Despite that, I am
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Notion Ink Adam... http://www.slashgear.com/notion-ink-adam-hands-on-0969281/ Can't wait to get my hands on one of these... Jim Kerns, Technology Director Spencer Community Schools 23 East 7th St P.O. Box 200 Spencer, Iowa 51301 jke...@spencer.k12.ia.us 712.262.0339 FAX 712.262.1116 Murray Gafkjen mgafk...@clay-everly.k12.ia.us 4/30/2010 10:38 AM Slashdot said the same. -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Stanzel, Matt Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:25 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Actually, rumor has it the HP Slate has been kicked to the curb: http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/29/hewlett-packard-to-kill-windows-7-table t-project/ So maybe the holdouts can just pick up their iPad instead of waiting for the Slate now (me included). -Original Message- From: Richardson,Tony [mailto:trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:33 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Wonderful! Good to hear! It will keep some of us from wasting our districts money on this device. -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 7:47 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Before we get into this, understand this is an honest no holds barred review. I will use some rough and possibly insulting language, but if you read it with an open mind, I think there is some valuable information, even if it is presented rather vividly. I will likely be submitting this same review word for word to Amazon and some other sites. A few years back, there was a kid who was about 14 who had an IQ of about 40, but he could listen to a piece of music once and be able to play it on a piano note for note. This ability really made him kind of cool, but at the end of the day, you just can't escape that he's still retarded. That's the Ipad in a nutshell. Despite that, I am giving this a solid buy recommendation for schools. If that makes no sense, read on, and it will. If I try to compare this to windows 7, and I will, it's kinda worthless. The HP Slate is coming out in a couple months, and it will do everything that an IPad does, and everything that a windows 7 laptop does, and costs less, or about the same actually. If you are a computer geek, like me, then the slate is a much better product. But we use the Kindle here a lot. Mainly the kindle is used is remedial reading and special-ed because the kindle will read aloud to a student, showing them the word being pronounced. Like most programs of this nature, it's got it's problems, most notably lousy inflection and pacing. But it's no worse than anything out there, and allows virtually any book to be used without additional processing. The Ipad has a Kindle app, and though I haven't fully tested it, I have no reason to think it functions any different. Now don't get me wrong, I like the kindle, for me. But I'm not buying for me. Sure, the battery life rocks. Two weeks of a single charge, that is just awesome, the ability to buy through the cellular network without buying another account? Priceless. But the weak point on a kindle has always been it's administration. Basically, if it's on there, the kid has access to it. That includes google searches for porn. On the Ipad, if I don't want a kid to surf the internet, they don't. If I don't want them to load apps, they don't. You tube? Email? Whatever, they don't, or should I say they can't. As you all know, keeping kids out of where they do not belong is always a losing battle, special-ed is even more of a challenge than the other students. That's the cool part as far as actually useful stuff goes. Sure, there are a lot of educational apps, great, great. The predictive text feature is awful from what I've seen of it, I'm working on installing an app that is supposed to be much better. But really, that's the business end of the review. Now there's the fun stuff, or thing I should say. Google Maps is included with the Ipad, and for a damn good reason. It takes total advantage of the multitouch interface. This is beyond ubercool. This one goes straight to Geek Nirvana. I fell in lust with Google Maps, and once I showed it to my girlfriend and her daughter, they proceeded to fight over it for an hour. If you have not tried this, there is just no explaining how awesome this feature is. If I could plug in GPS, it would probably throw me into a transcendental state where I spent he next 20 years in a darkened room playing with the user interface and creating the Church of Jobs. Or at least until the battery died. Ok, so here's the summary. This is a niche market thing. It's great for schools and especially special-ed. But if you are looking
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On top of that, with HP's purchase of Palm, you can bet the WebOS will be what they put on any mobile devices so they can compete with Apple's battery life of 10+ hours. Windows 7 hasn't got a chance. So if you don't get an iPad with all of the developer and community support behind it, you can choose Android, WebOS, or poor battery life. I am personally excited for the potential. It isn't ready yet, but that doesn't mean anything if you've watched the iPhone for the last 3 years. -Original Message- From: Stanzel, Matt [mailto:mstan...@rdi1.com] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:25 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Actually, rumor has it the HP Slate has been kicked to the curb: http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/29/hewlett-packard-to-kill-windows-7-table t-project/ So maybe the holdouts can just pick up their iPad instead of waiting for the Slate now (me included). -Original Message- From: Richardson,Tony [mailto:trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:33 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Wonderful! Good to hear! It will keep some of us from wasting our districts money on this device. -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 7:47 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Before we get into this, understand this is an honest no holds barred review. I will use some rough and possibly insulting language, but if you read it with an open mind, I think there is some valuable information, even if it is presented rather vividly. I will likely be submitting this same review word for word to Amazon and some other sites. A few years back, there was a kid who was about 14 who had an IQ of about 40, but he could listen to a piece of music once and be able to play it on a piano note for note. This ability really made him kind of cool, but at the end of the day, you just can't escape that he's still retarded. That's the Ipad in a nutshell. Despite that, I am giving this a solid buy recommendation for schools. If that makes no sense, read on, and it will. If I try to compare this to windows 7, and I will, it's kinda worthless. The HP Slate is coming out in a couple months, and it will do everything that an IPad does, and everything that a windows 7 laptop does, and costs less, or about the same actually. If you are a computer geek, like me, then the slate is a much better product. But we use the Kindle here a lot. Mainly the kindle is used is remedial reading and special-ed because the kindle will read aloud to a student, showing them the word being pronounced. Like most programs of this nature, it's got it's problems, most notably lousy inflection and pacing. But it's no worse than anything out there, and allows virtually any book to be used without additional processing. The Ipad has a Kindle app, and though I haven't fully tested it, I have no reason to think it functions any different. Now don't get me wrong, I like the kindle, for me. But I'm not buying for me. Sure, the battery life rocks. Two weeks of a single charge, that is just awesome, the ability to buy through the cellular network without buying another account? Priceless. But the weak point on a kindle has always been it's administration. Basically, if it's on there, the kid has access to it. That includes google searches for porn. On the Ipad, if I don't want a kid to surf the internet, they don't. If I don't want them to load apps, they don't. You tube? Email? Whatever, they don't, or should I say they can't. As you all know, keeping kids out of where they do not belong is always a losing battle, special-ed is even more of a challenge than the other students. That's the cool part as far as actually useful stuff goes. Sure, there are a lot of educational apps, great, great. The predictive text feature is awful from what I've seen of it, I'm working on installing an app that is supposed to be much better. But really, that's the business end of the review. Now there's the fun stuff, or thing I should say. Google Maps is included with the Ipad, and for a damn good reason. It takes total advantage of the multitouch interface. This is beyond ubercool. This one goes straight to Geek Nirvana. I fell in lust with Google Maps, and once I showed it to my girlfriend and her daughter, they proceeded to fight over it for an hour. If you have not tried this, there is just no explaining how awesome this feature is. If I could plug in GPS, it would probably throw me into a transcendental state where I spent he next 20 years in a darkened room playing with the user interface and creating the Church of Jobs. Or at least until the battery died. Ok, so here's the summary. This is a niche market thing. It's great for schools and especially special
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http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/04/courier-no-more-not-that-i t-ever-was-a-post-mortem.ars From what I can tell, the slate is still in the works, but Courier has been canceled. At a guess the problem wasn't technical, more a problem that courier was an ultra high end slate device that would have an ultra high end price tag attached. Basically, not enough market. -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Stanzel, Matt Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:25 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Actually, rumor has it the HP Slate has been kicked to the curb: http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/29/hewlett-packard-to-kill-windows-7-table t-project/ So maybe the holdouts can just pick up their iPad instead of waiting for the Slate now (me included). -Original Message- From: Richardson,Tony [mailto:trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:33 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Wonderful! Good to hear! It will keep some of us from wasting our districts money on this device. -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 7:47 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Before we get into this, understand this is an honest no holds barred review. I will use some rough and possibly insulting language, but if you read it with an open mind, I think there is some valuable information, even if it is presented rather vividly. I will likely be submitting this same review word for word to Amazon and some other sites. A few years back, there was a kid who was about 14 who had an IQ of about 40, but he could listen to a piece of music once and be able to play it on a piano note for note. This ability really made him kind of cool, but at the end of the day, you just can't escape that he's still retarded. That's the Ipad in a nutshell. Despite that, I am giving this a solid buy recommendation for schools. If that makes no sense, read on, and it will. If I try to compare this to windows 7, and I will, it's kinda worthless. The HP Slate is coming out in a couple months, and it will do everything that an IPad does, and everything that a windows 7 laptop does, and costs less, or about the same actually. If you are a computer geek, like me, then the slate is a much better product. But we use the Kindle here a lot. Mainly the kindle is used is remedial reading and special-ed because the kindle will read aloud to a student, showing them the word being pronounced. Like most programs of this nature, it's got it's problems, most notably lousy inflection and pacing. But it's no worse than anything out there, and allows virtually any book to be used without additional processing. The Ipad has a Kindle app, and though I haven't fully tested it, I have no reason to think it functions any different. Now don't get me wrong, I like the kindle, for me. But I'm not buying for me. Sure, the battery life rocks. Two weeks of a single charge, that is just awesome, the ability to buy through the cellular network without buying another account? Priceless. But the weak point on a kindle has always been it's administration. Basically, if it's on there, the kid has access to it. That includes google searches for porn. On the Ipad, if I don't want a kid to surf the internet, they don't. If I don't want them to load apps, they don't. You tube? Email? Whatever, they don't, or should I say they can't. As you all know, keeping kids out of where they do not belong is always a losing battle, special-ed is even more of a challenge than the other students. That's the cool part as far as actually useful stuff goes. Sure, there are a lot of educational apps, great, great. The predictive text feature is awful from what I've seen of it, I'm working on installing an app that is supposed to be much better. But really, that's the business end of the review. Now there's the fun stuff, or thing I should say. Google Maps is included with the Ipad, and for a damn good reason. It takes total advantage of the multitouch interface. This is beyond ubercool. This one goes straight to Geek Nirvana. I fell in lust with Google Maps, and once I showed it to my girlfriend and her daughter, they proceeded to fight over it for an hour. If you have not tried this, there is just no explaining how awesome this feature is. If I could plug in GPS, it would probably throw me into a transcendental state where I spent he next 20 years in a darkened room playing with the user interface and creating the Church of Jobs. Or at least until the battery died. Ok, so here's the summary. This is a niche market thing. It's great for schools and especially special-ed. But if you are looking for a productive device, wait
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Another Linux based system, like WebOS? I can see them jumping on Chrome too. The problem remains for HP that they're a Microsoft OEM Partner, and I doubt they would jeopardize that relationship. I think HP and Dell will likely be forced by their MS relationships to abandon Linux OS choices (Android, WebOS, ChromeOS), and instead try to shove 7 on these tablets. Every one of these will fail because none of them have whipped Linux completely into shape, whereas Apple has had sufficient time to get BSD Unix (Mac OS X, iPhone OS) to be friendly enough for my 2 year old to use it. I also believe Apple will have the entire education industry eating out of their hands once again if/when they produce a centralized management solution for iPad distribution and control, as well as curriculum and all educational textbooks. This may well be on its' way, and if it isn't, the guy that builds it will be stinking rich. -Original Message- From: McKenney, Kurt [mailto:kmcken...@schaller-crest.k12.ia.us] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:17 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... I would disagree. First of all, Palm can't compete for a lot of reasons, their OS is one of them. But they do have manufacturing and distribution channels for cell phone type devices and quick start technology for use in the same. If HP uses an OS other than windows 7 I would expect chrome or another linux based system. As for battery life, I'm actually not seeing that as an issue. Apple solved it by taking an Ipod touch, expanding the size of the device, and using a bigger battery. As for the Current Ipad, it does in fact offer some benefits. Such as easy access admin rights limited to the machine without a full login, that is possible under windows, but it is actually more cumbersome. It does beat he Kindle hands down on everything but battery life. Now, as for people upset that I am giving an unsolicited review, get over it. It's tnot he first time that someone has submitted an unsolicited review, and for that matter it is not the first time the Ipad has been discussed by the people here. It is not the last time we will discuss it either I suspect, and the ability to have someone who has one in hand actually talk about it, give impressions about it, and answer questions seems like a good idea. -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Brendan Porter Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:55 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... On top of that, with HP's purchase of Palm, you can bet the WebOS will be what they put on any mobile devices so they can compete with Apple's battery life of 10+ hours. Windows 7 hasn't got a chance. So if you don't get an iPad with all of the developer and community support behind it, you can choose Android, WebOS, or poor battery life. I am personally excited for the potential. It isn't ready yet, but that doesn't mean anything if you've watched the iPhone for the last 3 years. -Original Message- From: Stanzel, Matt [mailto:mstan...@rdi1.com] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:25 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Actually, rumor has it the HP Slate has been kicked to the curb: http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/29/hewlett-packard-to-kill-windows-7-table t-project/ So maybe the holdouts can just pick up their iPad instead of waiting for the Slate now (me included). -Original Message- From: Richardson,Tony [mailto:trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:33 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Wonderful! Good to hear! It will keep some of us from wasting our districts money on this device. -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 7:47 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Before we get into this, understand this is an honest no holds barred review. I will use some rough and possibly insulting language, but if you read it with an open mind, I think there is some valuable information, even if it is presented rather vividly. I will likely be submitting this same review word for word to Amazon and some other sites. A few years back, there was a kid who was about 14 who had an IQ of about 40, but he could listen to a piece of music once and be able to play it on a piano note for note. This ability really made him kind of cool, but at the end of the day, you just can't escape that he's still retarded. That's the Ipad in a nutshell. Despite that, I am giving this a solid buy recommendation for schools. If that makes no sense, read on, and it will. If I try to compare this to windows 7, and I will, it's kinda worthless. The HP Slate
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There already is a centralized management tool available to roll out LOTS of iPods/iPads at a time. Now, when more textbook manufactures come on board, and when OS 4 hits with multitasking, there will be an even bigger reason to hop on that train. Karl H. Hehr Technology/Curriculum Director South Hamilton CSD www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us 515.827.5418 (W) 515.209.9767 (C) 515.827.5368 (F) Luddite by Degrees 1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of things --- Douglas Adams On Apr 30, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Brendan Porter wrote: Another Linux based system, like WebOS? I can see them jumping on Chrome too. The problem remains for HP that they're a Microsoft OEM Partner, and I doubt they would jeopardize that relationship. I think HP and Dell will likely be forced by their MS relationships to abandon Linux OS choices (Android, WebOS, ChromeOS), and instead try to shove 7 on these tablets. Every one of these will fail because none of them have whipped Linux completely into shape, whereas Apple has had sufficient time to get BSD Unix (Mac OS X, iPhone OS) to be friendly enough for my 2 year old to use it. I also believe Apple will have the entire education industry eating out of their hands once again if/when they produce a centralized management solution for iPad distribution and control, as well as curriculum and all educational textbooks. This may well be on its' way, and if it isn't, the guy that builds it will be stinking rich. -Original Message- From: McKenney, Kurt [mailto:kmcken...@schaller-crest.k12.ia.us] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:17 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... I would disagree. First of all, Palm can't compete for a lot of reasons, their OS is one of them. But they do have manufacturing and distribution channels for cell phone type devices and quick start technology for use in the same. If HP uses an OS other than windows 7 I would expect chrome or another linux based system. As for battery life, I'm actually not seeing that as an issue. Apple solved it by taking an Ipod touch, expanding the size of the device, and using a bigger battery. As for the Current Ipad, it does in fact offer some benefits. Such as easy access admin rights limited to the machine without a full login, that is possible under windows, but it is actually more cumbersome. It does beat he Kindle hands down on everything but battery life. Now, as for people upset that I am giving an unsolicited review, get over it. It's tnot he first time that someone has submitted an unsolicited review, and for that matter it is not the first time the Ipad has been discussed by the people here. It is not the last time we will discuss it either I suspect, and the ability to have someone who has one in hand actually talk about it, give impressions about it, and answer questions seems like a good idea. -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Brendan Porter Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:55 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... On top of that, with HP's purchase of Palm, you can bet the WebOS will be what they put on any mobile devices so they can compete with Apple's battery life of 10+ hours. Windows 7 hasn't got a chance. So if you don't get an iPad with all of the developer and community support behind it, you can choose Android, WebOS, or poor battery life. I am personally excited for the potential. It isn't ready yet, but that doesn't mean anything if you've watched the iPhone for the last 3 years. -Original Message- From: Stanzel, Matt [mailto:mstan...@rdi1.com] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:25 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Actually, rumor has it the HP Slate has been kicked to the curb: http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/29/hewlett-packard-to-kill-windows-7-table t-project/ So maybe the holdouts can just pick up their iPad instead of waiting for the Slate now (me included). -Original Message- From: Richardson,Tony [mailto:trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:33 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Wonderful! Good to hear! It will keep some of us from wasting our districts money on this device. -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf
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Really this will have no new insight as to the educational opportunities for the iPad - or whatever similar device anyone uses with students. What been disturbing (at best) is to begin a reference/ comparison/review of a post to a student with a disability in some type of sick humor -- on a list serve that exists for educational purposes nonetheless. Were the iPad or iTouch a PC based device is really irrelevant. What I do know is you can use this device to deliver and differentiate instruction. You can use it as a re-teaching tool for those who need assistance, or as an extension of the curriculum for those who would benefit from additional activities. I know I can give it to students to independently search for information, and/or use it for information sharing purposes. I can use it as a listening center, or an individualized listening station for students to listen to audio versions of the text or test or assignment. I can use if as a book reader. And I can get it in the hands of more students for the price than I could lab (which won't do all the things the iPad does)--and I need the lab(s) in each building because those machines do things the iPad won't do. It's creating a learning environment in which students can maximize their potential. It is the job of all educators to meet the needs of all learners. As technology directors - we are responsible for providing visionary leadership to help meet the needs of all learners, and be able to offer ways in which technology can differentiate instruction for everyone. Every decision you make should be based upon the impact it will have on students-whether you always agree with the decision or not. It's part of being an educational team member. My decisions and input are not based around what makes my job easiest . . . and there are directions we go based on its impact on students, and not what is most convenient for me (or for the teachers and that matter). It's easy path to follow to find fault with everything (including the students) and to never let educational technology opportunities (or ideas) into your district. A good leader takes everyone where they want to go. A great leader takes people where they don't necessarily want to go but ought to be.
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Can you make it temporarily impossible for a student to leave a web-based test or testing App and open Calculator or Wikipedia to get an answer? -Original Message- From: Karl Hehr [mailto:karl_h...@s-hamilton.k12.ia.us] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:08 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... There already is a centralized management tool available to roll out LOTS of iPods/iPads at a time. Now, when more textbook manufactures come on board, and when OS 4 hits with multitasking, there will be an even bigger reason to hop on that train. Karl H. Hehr Technology/Curriculum Director South Hamilton CSD www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us 515.827.5418 (W) 515.209.9767 (C) 515.827.5368 (F) Luddite by Degrees 1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of things --- Douglas Adams On Apr 30, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Brendan Porter wrote: Another Linux based system, like WebOS? I can see them jumping on Chrome too. The problem remains for HP that they're a Microsoft OEM Partner, and I doubt they would jeopardize that relationship. I think HP and Dell will likely be forced by their MS relationships to abandon Linux OS choices (Android, WebOS, ChromeOS), and instead try to shove 7 on these tablets. Every one of these will fail because none of them have whipped Linux completely into shape, whereas Apple has had sufficient time to get BSD Unix (Mac OS X, iPhone OS) to be friendly enough for my 2 year old to use it. I also believe Apple will have the entire education industry eating out of their hands once again if/when they produce a centralized management solution for iPad distribution and control, as well as curriculum and all educational textbooks. This may well be on its' way, and if it isn't, the guy that builds it will be stinking rich. -Original Message- From: McKenney, Kurt [mailto:kmcken...@schaller-crest.k12.ia.us] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:17 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... I would disagree. First of all, Palm can't compete for a lot of reasons, their OS is one of them. But they do have manufacturing and distribution channels for cell phone type devices and quick start technology for use in the same. If HP uses an OS other than windows 7 I would expect chrome or another linux based system. As for battery life, I'm actually not seeing that as an issue. Apple solved it by taking an Ipod touch, expanding the size of the device, and using a bigger battery. As for the Current Ipad, it does in fact offer some benefits. Such as easy access admin rights limited to the machine without a full login, that is possible under windows, but it is actually more cumbersome. It does beat he Kindle hands down on everything but battery life. Now, as for people upset that I am giving an unsolicited review, get over it. It's tnot he first time that someone has submitted an unsolicited review, and for that matter it is not the first time the Ipad has been discussed by the people here. It is not the last time we will discuss it either I suspect, and the ability to have someone who has one in hand actually talk about it, give impressions about it, and answer questions seems like a good idea. -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Brendan Porter Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:55 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... On top of that, with HP's purchase of Palm, you can bet the WebOS will be what they put on any mobile devices so they can compete with Apple's battery life of 10+ hours. Windows 7 hasn't got a chance. So if you don't get an iPad with all of the developer and community support behind it, you can choose Android, WebOS, or poor battery life. I am personally excited for the potential. It isn't ready yet, but that doesn't mean anything if you've watched the iPhone for the last 3 years. -Original Message- From: Stanzel, Matt [mailto:mstan...@rdi1.com] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:25 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Actually, rumor has it the HP Slate has been kicked to the curb: http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/29/hewlett-packard-to-kill-windows-7-table t-project/ So maybe the holdouts can just pick up their iPad instead of waiting for the Slate now (me included). -Original Message- From: Richardson,Tony [mailto:trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:33 AM To: info-tech
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I agree about the language, not so much about the unsolicited opinions. If Kurt had what he considered to be an educated opinion about a potential educational device (and one that we've been discussing quite a bit), I don't think it's unreasonable to review it. I disagree with some of his premises and conclusions, but that's not a problem. Am I off-base about that? I honestly ask, because if I had an iPad in my possession, I probably would have posted my opinions about it here, too. --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com Twitter: limbert65 Onverse avatar SurdeahP Onverse address Metroview Penthouse 15, house #1. From: Lance Lennon llen...@eagle-grove.k12.ia.us Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:38 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... I concur with Karl on this one. As much as I dislike some of the items that I have to support, if they are for the good of the students and the betterment of education, then I support them. Also agree with the reminder that this list is public and that offensive and off color remarks have no place here. This list is incredibly useful but is not the proper forum for venting and / or placing unsolicited critiques of new technologies. On Apr 30, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Karl Hehr wrote: Congratulations, you have poked me with a stick enough times to illicit a response. This review had no purpose and was unsolicited. This list exists to answer questions, support and learn, not o offer opinions on products unless asked for. http://www.pcworld.com/article/195320/is_hps_slate_dead.html Your precious Slate might be DBA (Dead Before Arrival). In your review of this product did you download and use the Pages, Keynote, or Numbers, all productivity tools? Also, it is no big secret that you are an unabashed Apple hater so how may I ask were you objective? Is the iPad (or any other product) perfect, heck no. Comparing a product IN YOUR HAND to a product THAT DOES NOT EXIST is a pointless argument. Can you do that same things on an iPad you can do on a laptop, no. The iPad is a MOBILE device and NOT a computer. Can your Blackberry edit videos, upload to google docs, read books to you, edit pictures in photshop, or run Windows 7 NO it is a freakin mobile device. Next issue, did you even look at the tools available to deploy and control the administrative side of an iPad? The Wifi iPad goes through the same filters as all my computers when it is here on campus. Why is it so bad that a kid might spend some time looking at YouTube videos? (Different Diatribe for a different day) Now on to the next issue. It is not our job to decide what should and shouldn't be used in education, it is our job to listen to what is needed and make it happen. Even if the request is technically difficult or even requires a change in firewall policies. We are here to support education and the staff that has been hired to educate. We are not the gate keepers saying what can or will be done. I suggest, discuss, and implore but ultimately it is not my say. I want to unblock Facebook but my board says no, so I have to listen. Last bit, this is an archived and posted on the internet listserv so your comment about the retarded kids will now go down in all Internet history, which as an educator first I am embarrassed for you. As IT professionals in education we need to function in a different manner and work within a different rule set than our counterparts at Aviva or Wells Fargo. Karl H. Hehr Technology/Curriculum Director South Hamilton CSD www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us 515.827.5418 (W) 515.209.9767 (C) 515.827.5368 (F) Luddite by Degrees 1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of things --- Douglas Adams On Apr 30, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Stanzel, Matt wrote: Actually, rumor has it the HP Slate has been kicked to the curb: http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/29/hewlett-packard-to-kill-windows-7-table t-project/ So maybe the holdouts can just pick up their iPad instead of waiting for the Slate now (me included). -Original Message- From: Richardson,Tony [mailto:trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:33 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Wonderful! Good to hear! It will keep some of us from wasting our districts money on this device. -Original
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Would everyone have been happier if I directly called it the idiot-savant of the computer world? It is very good for some what I would consider limited tasks, but almost torture for use in many common tasks. For example, I am using this ipad for connecting to a terminal server, and running outlook 2010. However, even though it will do it, it is taking at least three times longer to type than it would on my cell phone. Further tests on the ibook and kindle apps have also proven disappointing to the teachers who have tried it and they are not used to or willing to compromise. But, I still insist that it is a very usable tool. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Tim Limbert Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:54 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... I agree about the language, not so much about the unsolicited opinions. If Kurt had what he considered to be an educated opinion about a potential educational device (and one that we've been discussing quite a bit), I don't think it's unreasonable to review it. I disagree with some of his premises and conclusions, but that's not a problem. Am I off-base about that? I honestly ask, because if I had an iPad in my possession, I probably would have posted my opinions about it here, too. --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com Twitter: limbert65 Onverse avatar SurdeahP Onverse address Metroview Penthouse 15, house #1. From: Lance Lennon llen...@eagle-grove.k12.ia.us Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:38 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... I concur with Karl on this one. As much as I dislike some of the items that I have to support, if they are for the good of the students and the betterment of education, then I support them. Also agree with the reminder that this list is public and that offensive and off color remarks have no place here. This list is incredibly useful but is not the proper forum for venting and / or placing unsolicited critiques of new technologies. On Apr 30, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Karl Hehr wrote: Congratulations, you have poked me with a stick enough times to illicit a response. This review had no purpose and was unsolicited. This list exists to answer questions, support and learn, not o offer opinions on products unless asked for. http://www.pcworld.com/article/195320/is_hps_slate_dead.html Your precious Slate might be DBA (Dead Before Arrival). In your review of this product did you download and use the Pages, Keynote, or Numbers, all productivity tools? Also, it is no big secret that you are an unabashed Apple hater so how may I ask were you objective? Is the iPad (or any other product) perfect, heck no. Comparing a product IN YOUR HAND to a product THAT DOES NOT EXIST is a pointless argument. Can you do that same things on an iPad you can do on a laptop, no. The iPad is a MOBILE device and NOT a computer. Can your Blackberry edit videos, upload to google docs, read books to you, edit pictures in photshop, or run Windows 7 NO it is a freakin mobile device. Next issue, did you even look at the tools available to deploy and control the administrative side of an iPad? The Wifi iPad goes through the same filters as all my computers when it is here on campus. Why is it so bad that a kid might spend some time looking at YouTube videos? (Different Diatribe for a different day) Now on to the next issue. It is not our job to decide what should and shouldn't be used in education, it is our job to listen to what is needed and make it happen. Even if the request is technically difficult or even requires a change in firewall policies. We are here to support education and the staff that has been hired to educate. We are not the gate keepers saying what can or will be done. I suggest, discuss, and implore but ultimately it is not my say. I want to unblock Facebook but my board says no, so I have to listen. Last bit, this is an archived and posted on the internet listserv so your comment about the retarded kids will now go down in all Internet history, which as an educator first I am embarrassed for you. As IT professionals in education we need to function in a different manner and work within a different rule set than our counterparts at Aviva or Wells Fargo. Karl H. Hehr Technology/Curriculum Director South Hamilton CSD www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us 515.827.5418 (W) 515.209.9767 (C) 515.827.5368 (F) Luddite by Degrees 1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again
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Not that I am aware of, yet. But the tool is very new and will have things developed in the future. Karl H. Hehr Technology/Curriculum Director South Hamilton CSD www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us 515.827.5418 (W) 515.209.9767 (C) 515.827.5368 (F) Luddite by Degrees 1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of things --- Douglas Adams On Apr 30, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Brendan Porter wrote: Can you make it temporarily impossible for a student to leave a web-based test or testing App and open Calculator or Wikipedia to get an answer? -Original Message- From: Karl Hehr [mailto:karl_h...@s-hamilton.k12.ia.us] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:08 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... There already is a centralized management tool available to roll out LOTS of iPods/iPads at a time. Now, when more textbook manufactures come on board, and when OS 4 hits with multitasking, there will be an even bigger reason to hop on that train. Karl H. Hehr Technology/Curriculum Director South Hamilton CSD www.s-hamilton.k12.ia.us 515.827.5418 (W) 515.209.9767 (C) 515.827.5368 (F) Luddite by Degrees 1) Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2) Anything that's invented between when you're 15 and 35 is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3) Anything invented after you're 35 is again the natural order of things --- Douglas Adams On Apr 30, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Brendan Porter wrote: Another Linux based system, like WebOS? I can see them jumping on Chrome too. The problem remains for HP that they're a Microsoft OEM Partner, and I doubt they would jeopardize that relationship. I think HP and Dell will likely be forced by their MS relationships to abandon Linux OS choices (Android, WebOS, ChromeOS), and instead try to shove 7 on these tablets. Every one of these will fail because none of them have whipped Linux completely into shape, whereas Apple has had sufficient time to get BSD Unix (Mac OS X, iPhone OS) to be friendly enough for my 2 year old to use it. I also believe Apple will have the entire education industry eating out of their hands once again if/when they produce a centralized management solution for iPad distribution and control, as well as curriculum and all educational textbooks. This may well be on its' way, and if it isn't, the guy that builds it will be stinking rich. -Original Message- From: McKenney, Kurt [mailto:kmcken...@schaller-crest.k12.ia.us] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 11:17 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... I would disagree. First of all, Palm can't compete for a lot of reasons, their OS is one of them. But they do have manufacturing and distribution channels for cell phone type devices and quick start technology for use in the same. If HP uses an OS other than windows 7 I would expect chrome or another linux based system. As for battery life, I'm actually not seeing that as an issue. Apple solved it by taking an Ipod touch, expanding the size of the device, and using a bigger battery. As for the Current Ipad, it does in fact offer some benefits. Such as easy access admin rights limited to the machine without a full login, that is possible under windows, but it is actually more cumbersome. It does beat he Kindle hands down on everything but battery life. Now, as for people upset that I am giving an unsolicited review, get over it. It's tnot he first time that someone has submitted an unsolicited review, and for that matter it is not the first time the Ipad has been discussed by the people here. It is not the last time we will discuss it either I suspect, and the ability to have someone who has one in hand actually talk about it, give impressions about it, and answer questions seems like a good idea. -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Brendan Porter Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:55 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... On top of that, with HP's purchase of Palm, you can bet the WebOS will be what they put on any mobile devices so they can compete with Apple's battery life of 10+ hours. Windows 7 hasn't got a chance. So if you don't get an iPad with all of the developer and community support behind it, you can choose Android, WebOS, or poor battery life. I
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LOL -Original Message- From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us on behalf of Richardson,Tony Sent: Fri 4/30/2010 2:07 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Now that Kurt has been beaten into submission by philosophy and stoned to death with apples can we move on? From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:13 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Would everyone have been happier if I directly called it the idiot-savant of the computer world? It is very good for some what I would consider limited tasks, but almost torture for use in many common tasks. For example, I am using this ipad for connecting to a terminal server, and running outlook 2010. However, even though it will do it, it is taking at least three times longer to type than it would on my cell phone. Further tests on the ibook and kindle apps have also proven disappointing to the teachers who have tried it and they are not used to or willing to compromise. But, I still insist that it is a very usable tool. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Tim Limbert Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:54 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... I agree about the language, not so much about the unsolicited opinions. If Kurt had what he considered to be an educated opinion about a potential educational device (and one that we've been discussing quite a bit), I don't think it's unreasonable to review it. I disagree with some of his premises and conclusions, but that's not a problem. Am I off-base about that? I honestly ask, because if I had an iPad in my possession, I probably would have posted my opinions about it here, too. --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com Twitter: limbert65 Onverse avatar SurdeahP Onverse address Metroview Penthouse 15, house #1. From: Lance Lennon llen...@eagle-grove.k12.ia.us Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 10:38 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... I concur with Karl on this one. As much as I dislike some of the items that I have to support, if they are for the good of the students and the betterment of education, then I support them. Also agree with the reminder that this list is public and that offensive and off color remarks have no place here. This list is incredibly useful but is not the proper forum for venting and / or placing unsolicited critiques of new technologies. On Apr 30, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Karl Hehr wrote: Congratulations, you have poked me with a stick enough times to illicit a response. This review had no purpose and was unsolicited. This list exists to answer questions, support and learn, not o offer opinions on products unless asked for. http://www.pcworld.com/article/195320/is_hps_slate_dead.html Your precious Slate might be DBA (Dead Before Arrival). In your review of this product did you download and use the Pages, Keynote, or Numbers, all productivity tools? Also, it is no big secret that you are an unabashed Apple hater so how may I ask were you objective? Is the iPad (or any other product) perfect, heck no. Comparing a product IN YOUR HAND to a product THAT DOES NOT EXIST is a pointless argument. Can you do that same things on an iPad you can do on a laptop, no. The iPad is a MOBILE device and NOT a computer. Can your Blackberry edit videos, upload to google docs, read books to you, edit pictures in photshop, or run Windows 7 NO it is a freakin mobile device. Next issue, did you even look at the tools available to deploy and control the administrative side of an iPad? The Wifi iPad goes through the same filters as all my computers when it is here on campus. Why is it so bad that a kid might spend some time looking at YouTube videos? (Different Diatribe for a different day) Now on to the next issue. It is not our job to decide what should and shouldn't be used in education, it is our job to listen to what is needed and make it happen. Even if the request is technically difficult or even requires a change in firewall policies. We are here to support education and the staff that has been hired to educate. We are not the gate keepers saying what can or will be done. I suggest, discuss, and implore but ultimately it is not my say. I want to unblock Facebook but my board says no, so I have to listen. Last bit, this is an archived and posted on the internet listserv so your comment about the retarded kids will now go down in all Internet history, which as an educator first I am embarrassed for you. As IT professionals
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You forgot your sarcasm/sarcasm tags. Some of us are slow, and we'll take it literally. D'oh, I forgot mine, too! --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com Twitter: limbert65 Onverse avatar SurdeahP Onverse address Metroview Penthouse 15, house #1. From: Richardson,Tony trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:12 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Now that Kurt has been beaten into submission by philosophy and stoned to death with apples can we move on? From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:13 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... Would everyone have been happier if I directly called it the idiot-savant of the computer world? It is very good for some what I would consider limited tasks, but almost torture for use in many common tasks. For example, I am using this ipad for connecting to a terminal server, and running outlook 2010. However, even though it will do it, it is taking at least three times longer to type than it would on my cell phone. Further tests on the ibook and kindle apps have also proven disappointing to the teachers who have tried it and they are not used to or willing to compromise. But, I still insist that it is a very usable tool. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Tim Limbert Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:54 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... I agree about the language, not so much about the unsolicited opinions. If Kurt had what he considered to be an educated opinion about a potential educational device (and one that we've been discussing quite a bit), I don't think it's unreasonable to review it. I disagree with some of his premises and conclusions, but that's not a problem. Am I off-base about that? I honestly ask, because if I had an iPad in my possession, I probably would have posted my opinions about it here, too. --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com Twitter: limbert65 Onverse avatar SurdeahP Onverse address Metroview Penthouse 15, house #1. From : Lance Lennon llen...@eagle-grove.k12.ia.us Sent : Friday, April 30, 2010 10:38 AM To : info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject : Re: [info-tech] First 18 hours with an IPad... I concur with Karl on this one. As much as I dislike some of the items that I have to support, if they are for the good of the students and the betterment of education, then I support them. Also agree with the reminder that this list is public and that offensive and off color remarks have no place here. This list is incredibly useful but is not the proper forum for venting and / or placing unsolicited critiques of new technologies. On Apr 30, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Karl Hehr wrote: Congratulations, you have poked me with a stick enough times to illicit a response. This review had no purpose and was unsolicited. This list exists to answer questions, support and learn, not o offer opinions on products unless asked for. http://www.pcworld.com/article/195320/is_hps_slate_dead.html Your precious Slate might be DBA (Dead Before Arrival). In your review of this product did you download and use the Pages, Keynote, or Numbers, all productivity tools? Also, it is no big secret that you are an unabashed Apple hater so how may I ask were you objective? Is the iPad (or any other product) perfect, heck no. Comparing a product IN YOUR HAND to a product THAT DOES NOT EXIST is a pointless argument. Can you do that same things on an iPad you can do on a laptop, no. The iPad is a MOBILE device and NOT a computer. Can your Blackberry edit videos, upload to google docs, read books to you, edit pictures in photshop, or run Windows 7 NO it is a freakin mobile device. Next issue, did you even look at the tools available to deploy and control the administrative side of an iPad? The Wifi iPad goes through the same filters as all my computers when it is here on campus. Why is it so bad that a kid might spend some time looking at YouTube videos? (Different Diatribe for a different day) Now on to the next issue. It is not our job to decide what should and shouldn't be used in education, it is our job to listen to what is needed and make it happen. Even if the request is technically difficult or even requires a change in firewall policies. We are here
