RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con
Scott - Makes since I agree with you but how do you ensure that students do not bring in undesirable things like porn on their tablets? What does this do to CIPA compliancy? Since students today are growing up in a media rich environment perhaps it is time to look at how restrictive we are and if it is really important to nail systems down tight to protect kids from experiencing some aspects of life @ school. When they walk out the school doors they are unprotected. Thanks, Tony Richardson, Technology Coordinator Humboldt Community School District trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us on behalf of Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA] Sent: Mon 2/1/2010 3:16 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] iPad pro/con Sorry for the delay in my post. I do think in concept the iPad is a potential Tool that could be used in a 1-to-1. Would it replace a 1-to-1 Laptop project? If you are going to be having students doing things like video editing I don't see it. But thinking Outside the box in concept I see that it could be a lower cost alternative to a laptop project. Used in conjunction to Moodle, or similar web based solution the Pad could be used to work in the class electronically. The pad could be used in a Moodle course to view/review content, take quiz/tests, and participate in Chat/Forums. This would become more of a pen/paper replacement than a Computer for the class. With electronic rights to Textbooks the students would only have to take home 1 device weighing less than 2 pounds instead of a backpack full of textbooks. But it does not have., Is it that big of a deal, Just don't think of it as a Computer or Laptop, but a whole new class of device. As a Palm Owner since the original units were released I saw it as a great technology. A device to supplement the computer, allowing me to take the computer data I use the most with me on a small handheld. It was never designed to Replace the computer, and I think that was the secret to its success. Although the Palm is on the verge of extinction I still see the concept as a good one. The Pad type of device I see as a similar technology. Not a computer replacement, but a supplement. With technology moving to The Cloud I guess I don't see a big deal with the lack of USB/SD/Firewire or other jacks, plugs, or holes in the device. I would think with no moving parts, maintenance should be minimal compared to a laptop. The cost also would/could allow you to purchase 2-3 Pads to one Laptop. Of course the bad news is that a district would probably still have to maintain traditional computers for higher end processing such as Video/Photo editing, CAD, and such. I guess what I am saying is don't look at this as a traditional computer, but as a new different kind of tool, then think about the problems it could solve. From: Timothy A. Limbert mailto:limbe...@newell-fonda.k12.ia.us Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:17 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con Kurt, Yes, I actually agree with you that this is probably not a good 1:1 device, at least not if you expect students to really be able to create and produce. I feel the same way about netbooks. They have a place, and are useful for certain things, but if I'm going to base a full-time take-home 1:1 program around a device, it would be a real fully-functional laptop. I can see some educational uses of the iPad (or a netbook, or an iPod touch, or...), but I'm thinking of certain specific applications, not as general purpose machines. My feeling is that its main benefit is to push technology in a certain direction that might really develop into something. I mean, remember the Apple Newton? It didn't amount to much on its own, but it sure pushed technology in a direction that's become very important today. I'm looking for these 'slate' devices to morph quickly into the next generation of handheld computing devices. --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD winmail.dat
RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con
Now that I have finally read about this iPad, I'm going to put in the my two cents. I don't think it would be the greatest thing to replace 1:1 laptops because like Tim said, it just won't do all the big things like editing videos or doing CAD. I do think that it would make a great tool for putting all the text books on and stuff like that but it won't do everything that a laptop will. Also we have found a piece of equipment similar to the iPad with a detachable keyboard, it's the Touch Book from Always Innovating. I'm sure you have seen it but it looks much more intriguing to me. Only because it doesn't run Mac software ( I don't like Apple, sorry you Mac fans). Mitch Mueller Network Administrator Emmetsburg Community Schools 205 King St. Emmetsburg, Ia 50536 mmmuel...@emmetsburg.k12.ia.us (712)852-2966 http://www.emmetsburg.k12.ia.us http://www.emmetsburg.k12.ia.us/ _ From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Richardson,Tony Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:11 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con Scott - Makes since I agree with you but how do you ensure that students do not bring in undesirable things like porn on their tablets? What does this do to CIPA compliancy? Since students today are growing up in a media rich environment perhaps it is time to look at how restrictive we are and if it is really important to nail systems down tight to protect kids from experiencing some aspects of life @ school. When they walk out the school doors they are unprotected. Thanks, Tony Richardson, Technology Coordinator Humboldt Community School District trichard...@humboldt.k12.ia.us _ From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us on behalf of Scott Fosseen [Prairie Lakes AEA] Sent: Mon 2/1/2010 3:16 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: Re: [info-tech] iPad pro/con Sorry for the delay in my post. I do think in concept the iPad is a potential Tool that could be used in a 1-to-1. Would it replace a 1-to-1 Laptop project? If you are going to be having students doing things like video editing I don't see it. But thinking Outside the box in concept I see that it could be a lower cost alternative to a laptop project. Used in conjunction to Moodle, or similar web based solution the Pad could be used to work in the class electronically. The pad could be used in a Moodle course to view/review content, take quiz/tests, and participate in Chat/Forums. This would become more of a pen/paper replacement than a Computer for the class. With electronic rights to Textbooks the students would only have to take home 1 device weighing less than 2 pounds instead of a backpack full of textbooks. But it does not have., Is it that big of a deal, Just don't think of it as a Computer or Laptop, but a whole new class of device. As a Palm Owner since the original units were released I saw it as a great technology. A device to supplement the computer, allowing me to take the computer data I use the most with me on a small handheld. It was never designed to Replace the computer, and I think that was the secret to its success. Although the Palm is on the verge of extinction I still see the concept as a good one. The Pad type of device I see as a similar technology. Not a computer replacement, but a supplement. With technology moving to The Cloud I guess I don't see a big deal with the lack of USB/SD/Firewire or other jacks, plugs, or holes in the device. I would think with no moving parts, maintenance should be minimal compared to a laptop. The cost also would/could allow you to purchase 2-3 Pads to one Laptop. Of course the bad news is that a district would probably still have to maintain traditional computers for higher end processing such as Video/Photo editing, CAD, and such. I guess what I am saying is don't look at this as a traditional computer, but as a new different kind of tool, then think about the problems it could solve. From: Timothy A. Limbert mailto:limbe...@newell-fonda.k12.ia.us Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:17 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con Kurt, Yes, I actually agree with you that this is probably not a good 1:1 device, at least not if you expect students to really be able to create and produce. I feel the same way about netbooks. They have a place, and are useful for certain things, but if I'm going to base a full-time take-home 1:1 program around a device, it would be a real fully-functional laptop. I can see some educational uses of the iPad (or a netbook, or an iPod touch, or...), but I'm thinking of certain specific applications, not as general purpose machines. My feeling is that its main benefit is to push technology in a certain direction that might really develop into something. I mean, remember the Apple Newton? It didn't amount to much on its own
Re: [info-tech] iPad pro/con
Sorry for the delay in my post. I do think in concept the iPad is a potential Tool that could be used in a 1-to-1. Would it replace a 1-to-1 Laptop project? If you are going to be having students doing things like video editing I don't see it. But thinking Outside the box in concept I see that it could be a lower cost alternative to a laptop project. Used in conjunction to Moodle, or similar web based solution the Pad could be used to work in the class electronically. The pad could be used in a Moodle course to view/review content, take quiz/tests, and participate in Chat/Forums. This would become more of a pen/paper replacement than a Computer for the class. With electronic rights to Textbooks the students would only have to take home 1 device weighing less than 2 pounds instead of a backpack full of textbooks. But it does not have., Is it that big of a deal, Just don't think of it as a Computer or Laptop, but a whole new class of device. As a Palm Owner since the original units were released I saw it as a great technology. A device to supplement the computer, allowing me to take the computer data I use the most with me on a small handheld. It was never designed to Replace the computer, and I think that was the secret to its success. Although the Palm is on the verge of extinction I still see the concept as a good one. The Pad type of device I see as a similar technology. Not a computer replacement, but a supplement. With technology moving to The Cloud I guess I don't see a big deal with the lack of USB/SD/Firewire or other jacks, plugs, or holes in the device. I would think with no moving parts, maintenance should be minimal compared to a laptop. The cost also would/could allow you to purchase 2-3 Pads to one Laptop. Of course the bad news is that a district would probably still have to maintain traditional computers for higher end processing such as Video/Photo editing, CAD, and such. I guess what I am saying is don't look at this as a traditional computer, but as a new different kind of tool, then think about the problems it could solve. From: Timothy A. Limbert Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:17 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con Kurt, Yes, I actually agree with you that this is probably not a good 1:1 device, at least not if you expect students to really be able to create and produce. I feel the same way about netbooks. They have a place, and are useful for certain things, but if I'm going to base a full-time take-home 1:1 program around a device, it would be a real fully-functional laptop. I can see some educational uses of the iPad (or a netbook, or an iPod touch, or.), but I'm thinking of certain specific applications, not as general purpose machines. My feeling is that its main benefit is to push technology in a certain direction that might really develop into something. I mean, remember the Apple Newton? It didn't amount to much on its own, but it sure pushed technology in a direction that's become very important today. I'm looking for these 'slate' devices to morph quickly into the next generation of handheld computing devices. --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD
RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con
I've investigated the specs, and put some thought into this, and I've come to certain conclusions. How many of you remember when the original NES came out? It was designed and intended to be the first practical home computer. Sure, looking at it now you may be thinking, WTF? No networking, no keyboard (virtual or otherwise), no printer, 8 bit graphics, no word-processing, basically nothing for which we would use a computer for now. And yet strangely, in 1985, that was all ok. We wrote letters by hand. We did double entry bookkeeping, and the internet was something the military and a few computer nerds at colleges played with. Now we can do all kinds of things with computers. We can control our homes, we can remote control ROV's, we can design mega-scrapers, we can produce blockbuster movies. But how many people actually do these things? This is the computer Grandma has been waiting for. I don't want one. I really don't. But, I think Apple may have figured something out about the way most people use computers. They are not looking for multitasking, they don't want to figure out the pros and cons between one office suite and another. They are not running endless searches based on a batch file appending to a text output. They want to do email, look at cute kittens, and check the weather. Maybe they want to look at pictures of the kids and of their vacation, but maybe not. I don't think this will make a good one to one system. We demand too much of our computers, too many oddball programs that are not going to make it through the various official apple approved outlets, and carrying around a laptop and an Ipad, on a personal level is not worth it to me. Carrying around a laptop is a major PITA, I mostly do not do it. But I do think the Ipad, assuming it survives the copyright wars, will be a system to take note of. I will predict the next generation will be a more full featured system though. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Timothy A. Limbert Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:24 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con And here's a website that sort of makes your case, Kurt. http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/01/ars-ipad-reax.ars Tim From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:19 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con Ok Tim, I will agree that you ar not a mindless fanboi of Apple's. Actually all of the techs in the AEA are top notch, we couldn't survive under these conditions if we weren't. But there is something about the mindless masses and their obsession with Apple. It's disturbing. Last april, I met a guy who had bought an Iphone because he wanted to run an app that allowed him to zero in a sniper rifle more quickly. Those of you that know me know that I consider this a useful app for a portable computer. The problem was this guy did not own a gun, but he went on and on about how great this phone was for snipers. I know, you're thinking this was not a healthy person, and you are right. But you see a lot of this sort of thing (if you ride a bike you know it's not limited to computers), and the hype turns me off. Ok, I haven't done all that much research into the ipad, but here's where I see the problems being for education and pretty much anyone else. As I understand it, there really isn't any practical way to place content on the ipad except through Apple approved vendors. Let's leave out what that means for porn consumption, and consider that you will have be regimented into approved software, and possibly content. While you may like the software, I like the choice, it's none of their damn business how I use my computer. Also, I understand this thing will not multi-task. What's up with that? Does that mean I can't run my browser while doing a batch convert of pics while watching a movie and monitoring my email? If so, did I just step into a time warp to 1993? What's the deal with no SD slot? SD is kinda the default medium of the modern age. I have SD in my camera, my phone, my TV, and my next car will probably have it. Apple is not looking all that cutting edge. Honestly the new MSI tablet is looking way better, and that doesn't hold a candle to the Levono offering. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us on behalf of Timothy A. Limbert Sent: Thu 1/28/2010 9:57 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] iPad pro/con I agree with Kurt and Tony that people shouldn't just lap up anything Apple throws out there. I'm a big fan of Apple's stuff, but it's not perfect, and I use a lot of non-Apple stuff (to the frequent irritation of my Apple reps). However, I also agree with Lance that Apple provides some great hardware
RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con
Kurt, Yes, I actually agree with you that this is probably not a good 1:1 device, at least not if you expect students to really be able to create and produce. I feel the same way about netbooks. They have a place, and are useful for certain things, but if I'm going to base a full-time take-home 1:1 program around a device, it would be a real fully-functional laptop. I can see some educational uses of the iPad (or a netbook, or an iPod touch, or.), but I'm thinking of certain specific applications, not as general purpose machines. My feeling is that its main benefit is to push technology in a certain direction that might really develop into something. I mean, remember the Apple Newton? It didn't amount to much on its own, but it sure pushed technology in a direction that's become very important today. I'm looking for these 'slate' devices to morph quickly into the next generation of handheld computing devices. --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com iChat/AIM: tlimbert65 Twitter: limbert65 Skype: limbert_65 From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 8:27 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con I've investigated the specs, and put some thought into this, and I've come to certain conclusions. How many of you remember when the original NES came out? It was designed and intended to be the first practical home computer. Sure, looking at it now you may be thinking, WTF? No networking, no keyboard (virtual or otherwise), no printer, 8 bit graphics, no word-processing, basically nothing for which we would use a computer for now. And yet strangely, in 1985, that was all ok. We wrote letters by hand. We did double entry bookkeeping, and the internet was something the military and a few computer nerds at colleges played with. Now we can do all kinds of things with computers. We can control our homes, we can remote control ROV's, we can design mega-scrapers, we can produce blockbuster movies. But how many people actually do these things? This is the computer Grandma has been waiting for. I don't want one. I really don't. But, I think Apple may have figured something out about the way most people use computers. They are not looking for multitasking, they don't want to figure out the pros and cons between one office suite and another. They are not running endless searches based on a batch file appending to a text output. They want to do email, look at cute kittens, and check the weather. Maybe they want to look at pictures of the kids and of their vacation, but maybe not. I don't think this will make a good one to one system. We demand too much of our computers, too many oddball programs that are not going to make it through the various official apple approved outlets, and carrying around a laptop and an Ipad, on a personal level is not worth it to me. Carrying around a laptop is a major PITA, I mostly do not do it. But I do think the Ipad, assuming it survives the copyright wars, will be a system to take note of. I will predict the next generation will be a more full featured system though. _ From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Timothy A. Limbert Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:24 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con And here's a website that sort of makes your case, Kurt. http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/01/ars-ipad-reax.ars Tim From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:19 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con Ok Tim, I will agree that you ar not a mindless fanboi of Apple's. Actually all of the techs in the AEA are top notch, we couldn't survive under these conditions if we weren't. But there is something about the mindless masses and their obsession with Apple. It's disturbing. Last april, I met a guy who had bought an Iphone because he wanted to run an app that allowed him to zero in a sniper rifle more quickly. Those of you that know me know that I consider this a useful app for a portable computer. The problem was this guy did not own a gun, but he went on and on about how great this phone was for snipers. I know, you're thinking this was not a healthy person, and you are right. But you see a lot of this sort of thing (if you ride a bike you know it's not limited to computers), and the hype turns me off. Ok, I haven't done all that much research into the ipad, but here's where I see the problems being for education and pretty much anyone else. As I understand it, there really isn't any practical way to place content on the ipad except
[info-tech] iPad pro/con
I agree with Kurt and Tony that people shouldn't just lap up anything Apple throws out there. I'm a big fan of Apple's stuff, but it's not perfect, and I use a lot of non-Apple stuff (to the frequent irritation of my Apple reps). However, I also agree with Lance that Apple provides some great hardware and software tools that fit well into our educational goals, and the price issue is not as clear as it seems at first glance. Contrary to popular belief, Apple users are not generally stupid, and we do look at the pros and cons of stuff before investing good money. --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com iChat/AIM: tlimbert65 Twitter: limbert65 Skype: limbert_65
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Thanks, Tony, that's good constructive criticism that we need. Now, does anybody have the answers to those questions? Tim From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Richardson,Tony Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:20 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con Observing the keynote video on the product it is impressive but then so is my Blackberry Storm 2 cell phone, works pretty much the same only smaller has WiFi, Bluetooth, etc. Can even read the New York Times on it. IPad will need to grow a bit to adapt to a very large market of software products that have become industry standards such as the Microsoft Office. I know IPad has 802.11N wireless for connectivity but how will it work on my Windows Server network? If I adopt it for education can I maintain my CIPA compliancy via hardware already owned or will I have to scrap everything and spend a ton of money to adapt to apple? Will it be a good research replacement for my High School Media Center without breaking the bank? I don't think I would place a large order anytime soon for this product but would like to have one for myself to play with. Looks like something fun for the home. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Timothy A. Limbert Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:57 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] iPad pro/con I agree with Kurt and Tony that people shouldn't just lap up anything Apple throws out there. I'm a big fan of Apple's stuff, but it's not perfect, and I use a lot of non-Apple stuff (to the frequent irritation of my Apple reps). However, I also agree with Lance that Apple provides some great hardware and software tools that fit well into our educational goals, and the price issue is not as clear as it seems at first glance. Contrary to popular belief, Apple users are not generally stupid, and we do look at the pros and cons of stuff before investing good money. --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com iChat/AIM: tlimbert65 Twitter: limbert65 Skype: limbert_65
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Student just emailed me this (lol): It looks pretty cool. There were a few things about it that would be negatives to me, though. Its lack of a built in usb port, for one, and an sd card slot. And that you can't run full programs on it, even though it has a full sized screen and is probably powerful enough. I don't know if that would be enough to stop me from buying it, though. Do you think, maybe, there could be a possibility that Apple would provide free iPads to a couple outstanding, technologically pioneering students of Iowa's first ever Apple Outstanding School? It could be good publicity. And, said student would be willing to make a video about how awesome Apple is and post it on Youtube, all using Apple products, thus creating even more publicity. Just a thought. Seriously, though... From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Timothy A. Limbert Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:25 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con Thanks, Tony, that's good constructive criticism that we need. Now, does anybody have the answers to those questions? Tim From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Richardson,Tony Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:20 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con Observing the keynote video on the product it is impressive but then so is my Blackberry Storm 2 cell phone, works pretty much the same only smaller has WiFi, Bluetooth, etc. Can even read the New York Times on it. IPad will need to grow a bit to adapt to a very large market of software products that have become industry standards such as the Microsoft Office. I know IPad has 802.11N wireless for connectivity but how will it work on my Windows Server network? If I adopt it for education can I maintain my CIPA compliancy via hardware already owned or will I have to scrap everything and spend a ton of money to adapt to apple? Will it be a good research replacement for my High School Media Center without breaking the bank? I don't think I would place a large order anytime soon for this product but would like to have one for myself to play with. Looks like something fun for the home. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Timothy A. Limbert Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:57 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] iPad pro/con I agree with Kurt and Tony that people shouldn't just lap up anything Apple throws out there. I'm a big fan of Apple's stuff, but it's not perfect, and I use a lot of non-Apple stuff (to the frequent irritation of my Apple reps). However, I also agree with Lance that Apple provides some great hardware and software tools that fit well into our educational goals, and the price issue is not as clear as it seems at first glance. Contrary to popular belief, Apple users are not generally stupid, and we do look at the pros and cons of stuff before investing good money. --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com iChat/AIM: tlimbert65 Twitter: limbert65 Skype: limbert_65
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Ok Tim, I will agree that you ar not a mindless fanboi of Apple's. Actually all of the techs in the AEA are top notch, we couldn't survive under these conditions if we weren't. But there is something about the mindless masses and their obsession with Apple. It's disturbing. Last april, I met a guy who had bought an Iphone because he wanted to run an app that allowed him to zero in a sniper rifle more quickly. Those of you that know me know that I consider this a useful app for a portable computer. The problem was this guy did not own a gun, but he went on and on about how great this phone was for snipers. I know, you're thinking this was not a healthy person, and you are right. But you see a lot of this sort of thing (if you ride a bike you know it's not limited to computers), and the hype turns me off. Ok, I haven't done all that much research into the ipad, but here's where I see the problems being for education and pretty much anyone else. As I understand it, there really isn't any practical way to place content on the ipad except through Apple approved vendors. Let's leave out what that means for porn consumption, and consider that you will have be regimented into approved software, and possibly content. While you may like the software, I like the choice, it's none of their damn business how I use my computer. Also, I understand this thing will not multi-task. What's up with that? Does that mean I can't run my browser while doing a batch convert of pics while watching a movie and monitoring my email? If so, did I just step into a time warp to 1993? What's the deal with no SD slot? SD is kinda the default medium of the modern age. I have SD in my camera, my phone, my TV, and my next car will probably have it. Apple is not looking all that cutting edge. Honestly the new MSI tablet is looking way better, and that doesn't hold a candle to the Levono offering. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us on behalf of Timothy A. Limbert Sent: Thu 1/28/2010 9:57 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] iPad pro/con I agree with Kurt and Tony that people shouldn't just lap up anything Apple throws out there. I'm a big fan of Apple's stuff, but it's not perfect, and I use a lot of non-Apple stuff (to the frequent irritation of my Apple reps). However, I also agree with Lance that Apple provides some great hardware and software tools that fit well into our educational goals, and the price issue is not as clear as it seems at first glance. Contrary to popular belief, Apple users are not generally stupid, and we do look at the pros and cons of stuff before investing good money. --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com/ iChat/AIM: tlimbert65 Twitter: limbert65 Skype: limbert_65 winmail.dat
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Kurt, Yeah, I'm totally with you that the iPad isn't right for many people or applications. And I'm also with you about the fanboy effect. But there are fanboys on all sides. I've been reading reviews of this thing on respectable tech websites that are basically, It won't do blank, so it's a complete POS. And they literally used the term POS. Please. It's designed to do certain things well at the expense of other things. If it doesn't do what you need, then by all means don't buy it. The App Store and approved apps business is a double-edged sword. It is limiting, but assures to some extent that things work seamlessly. I have an iPod Touch and a BlackBerry Storm, both very similar in terms of hardware (actually, I think the BB is better in terms of hardware, but that's for another discussion). I download a LOT of apps on both of them. The Touch always works totally flawlessly. Apps never crash, things switch quickly and smoothly, videos and music play flawlessly, etc. Not the case on the BB. Constantly finding apps that don't work properly, it crashes frequently (requiring me to pull the battery out to reset it), and when using it as an internet tether, it's constantly disconnecting for no reason. Also, the user interface is clumsy, slow and jerky compared to the Touch. Videos and music don't play as well. Etc. HOWEVER, I don't have to go through the BB App World to install stuff. So, it's a matter of what's important to you: freedom to put whatever damn app you want on the thing, or the assurance that the ones you do won't screw up (too badly). There are legitimate complaints about the closed architecture of the Touch/iPhone, but there is a reason for it, too. A smooth, seamless experience is something that Apple is going for, and that Apple users appreciate. Your mileage may vary. I don't give a crap what anybody chooses to buy and use. Getting into a flame war over platforms is like watching teenagers going Ford RULEZ - Chevy SUXXX!111one~!!. Waste of time. Believe me, I see a bit of the fanboy thing when I go to an Apple seminar and open up my HP/Win7 laptop. Like I have to apologize for not needing more than what a $600 laptop can do for me. But I also resent it when people imply that Apple users are so dumb they'll happily pay too much money for crap that doesn't work. There are people like that in all camps. Believe me, I would LOVE to be able to say, From now on, it's all Linux, and screw the corporations altogether. :-D --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com iChat/AIM: tlimbert65 Twitter: limbert65 Skype: limbert_65 From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:19 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con Ok Tim, I will agree that you ar not a mindless fanboi of Apple's. Actually all of the techs in the AEA are top notch, we couldn't survive under these conditions if we weren't. But there is something about the mindless masses and their obsession with Apple. It's disturbing. Last april, I met a guy who had bought an Iphone because he wanted to run an app that allowed him to zero in a sniper rifle more quickly. Those of you that know me know that I consider this a useful app for a portable computer. The problem was this guy did not own a gun, but he went on and on about how great this phone was for snipers. I know, you're thinking this was not a healthy person, and you are right. But you see a lot of this sort of thing (if you ride a bike you know it's not limited to computers), and the hype turns me off. Ok, I haven't done all that much research into the ipad, but here's where I see the problems being for education and pretty much anyone else. As I understand it, there really isn't any practical way to place content on the ipad except through Apple approved vendors. Let's leave out what that means for porn consumption, and consider that you will have be regimented into approved software, and possibly content. While you may like the software, I like the choice, it's none of their damn business how I use my computer. Also, I understand this thing will not multi-task. What's up with that? Does that mean I can't run my browser while doing a batch convert of pics while watching a movie and monitoring my email? If so, did I just step into a time warp to 1993? What's the deal with no SD slot? SD is kinda the default medium of the modern age. I have SD in my camera, my phone, my TV, and my next car will probably have it. Apple is not looking all that cutting edge. Honestly the new MSI tablet is looking way better, and that doesn't hold a candle to the Levono offering. _ From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us on behalf of Timothy
RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con
Believe me, I would LOVE to be able to say, From now on, it's all Linux, and screw the corporations altogether. :-D Someday the Revolution will come... From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Timothy A. Limbert Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:00 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con Kurt, Yeah, I'm totally with you that the iPad isn't right for many people or applications. And I'm also with you about the fanboy effect. But there are fanboys on all sides. I've been reading reviews of this thing on respectable tech websites that are basically, It won't do blank, so it's a complete POS. And they literally used the term POS. Please. It's designed to do certain things well at the expense of other things. If it doesn't do what you need, then by all means don't buy it. The App Store and approved apps business is a double-edged sword. It is limiting, but assures to some extent that things work seamlessly. I have an iPod Touch and a BlackBerry Storm, both very similar in terms of hardware (actually, I think the BB is better in terms of hardware, but that's for another discussion). I download a LOT of apps on both of them. The Touch always works totally flawlessly. Apps never crash, things switch quickly and smoothly, videos and music play flawlessly, etc. Not the case on the BB. Constantly finding apps that don't work properly, it crashes frequently (requiring me to pull the battery out to reset it), and when using it as an internet tether, it's constantly disconnecting for no reason. Also, the user interface is clumsy, slow and jerky compared to the Touch. Videos and music don't play as well. Etc. HOWEVER, I don't have to go through the BB App World to install stuff. So, it's a matter of what's important to you: freedom to put whatever damn app you want on the thing, or the assurance that the ones you do won't screw up (too badly). There are legitimate complaints about the closed architecture of the Touch/iPhone, but there is a reason for it, too. A smooth, seamless experience is something that Apple is going for, and that Apple users appreciate. Your mileage may vary. I don't give a crap what anybody chooses to buy and use. Getting into a flame war over platforms is like watching teenagers going Ford RULEZ - Chevy SUXXX!111one~!!. Waste of time. Believe me, I see a bit of the fanboy thing when I go to an Apple seminar and open up my HP/Win7 laptop. Like I have to apologize for not needing more than what a $600 laptop can do for me. But I also resent it when people imply that Apple users are so dumb they'll happily pay too much money for crap that doesn't work. There are people like that in all camps. Believe me, I would LOVE to be able to say, From now on, it's all Linux, and screw the corporations altogether. :-D --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com iChat/AIM: tlimbert65 Twitter: limbert65 Skype: limbert_65 From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:19 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con Ok Tim, I will agree that you ar not a mindless fanboi of Apple's. Actually all of the techs in the AEA are top notch, we couldn't survive under these conditions if we weren't. But there is something about the mindless masses and their obsession with Apple. It's disturbing. Last april, I met a guy who had bought an Iphone because he wanted to run an app that allowed him to zero in a sniper rifle more quickly. Those of you that know me know that I consider this a useful app for a portable computer. The problem was this guy did not own a gun, but he went on and on about how great this phone was for snipers. I know, you're thinking this was not a healthy person, and you are right. But you see a lot of this sort of thing (if you ride a bike you know it's not limited to computers), and the hype turns me off. Ok, I haven't done all that much research into the ipad, but here's where I see the problems being for education and pretty much anyone else. As I understand it, there really isn't any practical way to place content on the ipad except through Apple approved vendors. Let's leave out what that means for porn consumption, and consider that you will have be regimented into approved software, and possibly content. While you may like the software, I like the choice, it's none of their damn business how I use my computer. Also, I understand this thing will not multi-task. What's up with that? Does that mean I can't run my browser while doing a batch convert of pics while watching a movie and monitoring my email? If so, did I just step into a time warp to 1993? What's the deal
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And here's a website that sort of makes your case, Kurt. http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/01/ars-ipad-reax.ars Tim From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:19 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con Ok Tim, I will agree that you ar not a mindless fanboi of Apple's. Actually all of the techs in the AEA are top notch, we couldn't survive under these conditions if we weren't. But there is something about the mindless masses and their obsession with Apple. It's disturbing. Last april, I met a guy who had bought an Iphone because he wanted to run an app that allowed him to zero in a sniper rifle more quickly. Those of you that know me know that I consider this a useful app for a portable computer. The problem was this guy did not own a gun, but he went on and on about how great this phone was for snipers. I know, you're thinking this was not a healthy person, and you are right. But you see a lot of this sort of thing (if you ride a bike you know it's not limited to computers), and the hype turns me off. Ok, I haven't done all that much research into the ipad, but here's where I see the problems being for education and pretty much anyone else. As I understand it, there really isn't any practical way to place content on the ipad except through Apple approved vendors. Let's leave out what that means for porn consumption, and consider that you will have be regimented into approved software, and possibly content. While you may like the software, I like the choice, it's none of their damn business how I use my computer. Also, I understand this thing will not multi-task. What's up with that? Does that mean I can't run my browser while doing a batch convert of pics while watching a movie and monitoring my email? If so, did I just step into a time warp to 1993? What's the deal with no SD slot? SD is kinda the default medium of the modern age. I have SD in my camera, my phone, my TV, and my next car will probably have it. Apple is not looking all that cutting edge. Honestly the new MSI tablet is looking way better, and that doesn't hold a candle to the Levono offering. _ From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us on behalf of Timothy A. Limbert Sent: Thu 1/28/2010 9:57 AM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: [info-tech] iPad pro/con I agree with Kurt and Tony that people shouldn't just lap up anything Apple throws out there. I'm a big fan of Apple's stuff, but it's not perfect, and I use a lot of non-Apple stuff (to the frequent irritation of my Apple reps). However, I also agree with Lance that Apple provides some great hardware and software tools that fit well into our educational goals, and the price issue is not as clear as it seems at first glance. Contrary to popular belief, Apple users are not generally stupid, and we do look at the pros and cons of stuff before investing good money. --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com/ iChat/AIM: tlimbert65 Twitter: limbert65 Skype: limbert_65 attachment: winmail.dat
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I know, you're thinking this was not a healthy person, and you are right. From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:22 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con Believe me, I would LOVE to be able to say, From now on, it's all Linux, and screw the corporations altogether. :-D Someday the Revolution will come... From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of Timothy A. Limbert Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:00 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con Kurt, Yeah, I'm totally with you that the iPad isn't right for many people or applications. And I'm also with you about the fanboy effect. But there are fanboys on all sides. I've been reading reviews of this thing on respectable tech websites that are basically, It won't do blank, so it's a complete POS. And they literally used the term POS. Please. It's designed to do certain things well at the expense of other things. If it doesn't do what you need, then by all means don't buy it. The App Store and approved apps business is a double-edged sword. It is limiting, but assures to some extent that things work seamlessly. I have an iPod Touch and a BlackBerry Storm, both very similar in terms of hardware (actually, I think the BB is better in terms of hardware, but that's for another discussion). I download a LOT of apps on both of them. The Touch always works totally flawlessly. Apps never crash, things switch quickly and smoothly, videos and music play flawlessly, etc. Not the case on the BB. Constantly finding apps that don't work properly, it crashes frequently (requiring me to pull the battery out to reset it), and when using it as an internet tether, it's constantly disconnecting for no reason. Also, the user interface is clumsy, slow and jerky compared to the Touch. Videos and music don't play as well. Etc. HOWEVER, I don't have to go through the BB App World to install stuff. So, it's a matter of what's important to you: freedom to put whatever damn app you want on the thing, or the assurance that the ones you do won't screw up (too badly). There are legitimate complaints about the closed architecture of the Touch/iPhone, but there is a reason for it, too. A smooth, seamless experience is something that Apple is going for, and that Apple users appreciate. Your mileage may vary. I don't give a crap what anybody chooses to buy and use. Getting into a flame war over platforms is like watching teenagers going Ford RULEZ - Chevy SUXXX!111one~!!. Waste of time. Believe me, I see a bit of the fanboy thing when I go to an Apple seminar and open up my HP/Win7 laptop. Like I have to apologize for not needing more than what a $600 laptop can do for me. But I also resent it when people imply that Apple users are so dumb they'll happily pay too much money for crap that doesn't work. There are people like that in all camps. Believe me, I would LOVE to be able to say, From now on, it's all Linux, and screw the corporations altogether. :-D --- Timothy A. Limbert Technology Coordinator Newell-Fonda CSD 712.272.3324 --- http://newell-fondatech.blogspot.com iChat/AIM: tlimbert65 Twitter: limbert65 Skype: limbert_65 From: info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us [mailto:info-tech-ow...@aea8.k12.ia.us] On Behalf Of McKenney, Kurt Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:19 PM To: info-tech@aea8.k12.ia.us Subject: RE: [info-tech] iPad pro/con Ok Tim, I will agree that you ar not a mindless fanboi of Apple's. Actually all of the techs in the AEA are top notch, we couldn't survive under these conditions if we weren't. But there is something about the mindless masses and their obsession with Apple. It's disturbing. Last april, I met a guy who had bought an Iphone because he wanted to run an app that allowed him to zero in a sniper rifle more quickly. Those of you that know me know that I consider this a useful app for a portable computer. The problem was this guy did not own a gun, but he went on and on about how great this phone was for snipers. I know, you're thinking this was not a healthy person, and you are right. But you see a lot of this sort of thing (if you ride a bike you know it's not limited to computers), and the hype turns me off. Ok, I haven't done all that much research into the ipad, but here's where I see the problems being for education and pretty much anyone else. As I understand it, there really isn't any practical way to place content on the ipad except through Apple approved vendors. Let's leave out what that means for porn consumption, and consider that you will have be regimented into approved software, and possibly content. While you may like the software, I like the choice, it's none of their damn
