Re: [Inkscape-docs] welcome new moderator

[Jabier Arraiza]

Welcome!!!

-Original Message-
From: brynn 
To: Inkscape-Docs 
Subject: [Inkscape-docs] welcome new moderator
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 22:32:32 -0600

Hi Friends,
I just wanted to quickly introduce our new moderator ZAYNE.  He
seems to 
be catching on pretty quickly, and visiting relatively often, which is
just 
awesome!

He said he's planning to subscribe to the Docs list, so if he
should 
need some guidance and I'm not available that day, he can post here,
and other 
moderators can help.

Welcome ZAYNE!

All best,
brynn 


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Re: [Inkscape-docs] extension testers needed

[Jabier Arraiza]

Thanks Maren for the feedback.
I agree with you is better separated. The problem is the list is big
for multiselect if we want all options displayed without scroll. Maybe
is more clear the Martin version, the problem in Martin version is we
not know we can select multiple items.

About the select with click, it can be done with a bit of JS. 

Maybe there is some extended JS plugins in the net we can use more
fancy. There is some in the net I see that make a combobox like martin
but each option with a check on one side to active/inactive. This seems
to me better UI.

https://select2.org/getting-started/basic-usage
http://www.jqueryfaqs.com/Articles/Multiple-Select-MultiSelect-DropDownList-with-CheckBoxes-using-jQuery.aspx

Regards.


-Original Message-
From: Maren Hachmann 
To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] extension testers needed
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 23:01:42 +0200

I agree about the multiselect (but don't like the design too much, I
think it's better to have the items more separate, like it's done in
Martin's version).

Jabier, as a non-smartphone owner, I wonder how does multiselect work
without a keyboard? (we've recently had an m23 user who didn't even
think of using Ctrl to select multiple options...).

Click-activate, click-deactivate would be useful then, I assume?

Maren

Am 19.06.2018 um 22:31 schrieb Jabier Arraiza:
> Or maybe all the whole tags can be handled by one only multiselect
> with
> 3 groups.
> https://inkscape.org/en/~jabiertxof/%E2%98%85screenshot-from-2018-06-
> 19-22-28-49
> 
> Regards.
> 
> On Tue, 2018-06-19 at 14:38 -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
> > On Sun, 2018-06-17 at 19:23 -0600, brynn wrote:
> > > Yes, it could be something like check boxes for the systems and
> > > versions.
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Victor, Maren and Brynn, could you test the function I've just
> > added
> > to
> > the upload form. It adds a drop down of selectable tags which only
> > appear when you select a category that this group of tags is
> > associated
> > with. It uses the same selection as the gallery/category pages do
> > (so
> > for extensions we have a ready made list of options)
> > 
> > https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/upload/
> > 
> > It may need some tweaks, but I wanted to get the format in front of
> > you
> > sooner so you can try it out.
> > 
> > Best Regards, Martin Owens
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] extension testers needed

[Jabier Arraiza]

Or maybe all the whole tags can be handled by one only multiselect with
3 groups.
https://inkscape.org/en/~jabiertxof/%E2%98%85screenshot-from-2018-06-19-22-28-49

Regards.

On Tue, 2018-06-19 at 14:38 -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
> On Sun, 2018-06-17 at 19:23 -0600, brynn wrote:
> > Yes, it could be something like check boxes for the systems and
> > versions.
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Victor, Maren and Brynn, could you test the function I've just added
> to
> the upload form. It adds a drop down of selectable tags which only
> appear when you select a category that this group of tags is
> associated
> with. It uses the same selection as the gallery/category pages do (so
> for extensions we have a ready made list of options)
> 
> https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/upload/
> 
> It may need some tweaks, but I wanted to get the format in front of
> you
> sooner so you can try it out.
> 
> Best Regards, Martin Owens
> Websites ᴙ Us
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] extension testers needed

[Jabier Arraiza]

Great work. Maybe if the dropdown is changed to a multiselect on click
become more easy to use, and become a dropdown on unfocus. Just a idea.

One question in licensed type why not put in the dropdown a extra info
in GPLV2 "(as inkscape)" or something similar to help integrating
things into the codebase.

Regards, Jabier.

On Tue, 2018-06-19 at 14:38 -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
> On Sun, 2018-06-17 at 19:23 -0600, brynn wrote:
> > Yes, it could be something like check boxes for the systems and
> > versions.
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Victor, Maren and Brynn, could you test the function I've just added
> to
> the upload form. It adds a drop down of selectable tags which only
> appear when you select a category that this group of tags is
> associated
> with. It uses the same selection as the gallery/category pages do (so
> for extensions we have a ready made list of options)
> 
> https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/upload/
> 
> It may need some tweaks, but I wanted to get the format in front of
> you
> sooner so you can try it out.
> 
> Best Regards, Martin Owens
> Websites ᴙ Us
> 
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] extension testers needed

[Jabier Arraiza]

I think this can be handy:

https://medium.com/@xaviju/inkscape-extensions-by-non-developers-for-non-developers-a-primer-b272dda360fe

Regards.

-Original Message-
From: brynn 
To: Victor Westmann 
Cc: Inkscape-Docs 
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] extension testers needed
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 19:38:22 -0600

We already have this guide to writing extensions: 
https://inkscape.org/en/develop/extensions/

As far as I understand, it could use some "fleshing out" in some
places.  But 
mostly writing extensions is over my head, so someone else would have
to point 
out which places need more work.  At the bottom of the page tells
about 
publishing therm.

Is that what you were thinking of?  Or did you have something else in
mind?

It's just that not all people who write extensions will see that, or
necessarily 
want to put them in the gallery.  That's why  my original message was
about 
finding people to test them.

But now, I'm thinking it might be better to just remind the developers
to 
include the Inkscape versions and operating systems which it works
with, when 
they upload them.

brynn

-Original Message- 
From: Victor Westmann
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 9:13 PM
To: brynn
Cc: Inkscape-Docs
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] extension testers needed


Is it possible for us to create a draft of a HOW TO PUBLISH YOUR
EXTENSIONS for 
the Inkscape project form the Gitlab wiki pages?

If yes I/we can draft something. What do you think? Do we have a
central place 
to host the extensions of at least to guide users/developers on how to 
create/distribute them?




--Victor Westmann


On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 6:23 PM, brynn  wrote:
Yes, it could be something like check boxes for the systems and
versions.

We do already have the possibility for the developer to use tags to
indicate 
this.  But I haven't seen them being used consistently.  Some
developers seem to 
use some of them, but not all, and not all devs are using them.

(In some cases, I'm just happy that the developer has uploaded to the
gallery at 
all.  But on the other hand, it would be SO nice to have this info
available for 
users.)

I can understand how it would take some extra time and energy (for the
website 
developers) to make checkboxes or something.  But I would be happy if
just a 
sentence or 2 could be displayed.  Something like "Please indicate all
Inkscape 
versions which this extension is known to work with, as well as all
operating 
systems."

I'm not sure what you mean with "extract and copy" or "need to
install".  Unless 
it's something about the Django code?

brynn

-Original Message- From: Victor Westmann
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 8:56 AM

To: Brynn
Cc: Inkscape-Docs
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] extension testers needed


Compatible with: Win, Mac, Linux ■
Inkscape 0.92.3/+ ■

Extract and copy files ? (No)
Need to install? (Yes)

Something similar to this?


On Sat, Jun 16, 2018, 11:33 PM brynn,  wrote:
Actually I just had another thought about this.

Is it unreasonable to expect that the extension developer knows which
versions
or operating systems their extension works with?  Why not make sure the
developer shares that when the extension is released to the community?

Would it be possible to have extra fields be displayed, in the upload
form, when
the Extensions category is chosen?  Is there any way to configure the
upload
form, so that info has to be provided, before it will upload?

Or if not mandatory fields, would it be possible to just display a
prominent
notice, when the Extensions category is selected, asking the developer
to
please, please, please include that info?

All best,
brynn



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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Spanish Website Editor

[Jabier Arraiza]

Thanks I do!

On Wed, 2018-01-31 at 22:27 +0100, Maren Hachmann wrote:
> Yes, of course.
> 
> Could you ask him to visit
> https://inkscape.org/en/*translator
> and make a join request as well as read the notes there, and follow
> up
> on them?
> 
> Maren

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] website unavailable

[Jabier Arraiza]

I just configure uwsgi in emperor mode with nginx in my own server, the
part of apache / nginx is not so clear because do time ago but think is
less problem to find info.

You want uwsgi in Emperor mode?

Regards, Jabier.


On Tue, 2018-01-30 at 17:38 -0500, Martin Owens wrote:
> Thanks Brynn,
> 
> First I heard of it was from you. Looks like the machine was reset
> and
> that stupid machine loads httpd (apache2) instead of nginx and the
> wsgi
> still doesn't auto load. It's all manual. So if there's a sys admin
> that can fix that, I'd love the help.
> 
> Best Regards, Martin Owens
> 
> On Tue, 2018-01-30 at 15:07 -0700, brynn wrote:
> > Hi Friends,
> > Just in case it's not already known, the website is
> > down.  First noticed 
> > about an hour ago.
> > 
> > All best,
> > brynn 
> > 
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] UX team?

[Jabier Arraiza]

I offer myself if nobody want it.
All the best, Jabier.


On Wed, 2017-09-20 at 09:25 -0400, Martin Owens wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-09-20 at 06:42 -0600, brynn wrote:
> > Hi Friends,
> > I just noticed there is no UX team showing on the Teams
> > page 
> > (https://inkscape.org/en/teams/).  I could have sworn I saw one
> > there, not too 
> > long ago (couple of months maybe).  I think it had several members.
> > 
> > What happened with that?
> 
> The UI team is currently hidden as it's TODO introduction and lack of
> leadership made it hard to justify keeping it visible.
> 
> So what it needs is someone with a passion, preferably a UX person,
> who
> can say that even if it's just a team of one, that they will handle
> the
> team's business.
> 
> Best Regards, Martin Owens
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

[Jabier Arraiza]

Celiac label

On Mon, 2017-06-05 at 23:03 +0100, C R wrote:
> Okay, finished an initial version of the cover for the beginners
> guide.
> Yes, it's all in Inkscape. :)
> 
> Here's a png:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4n88xpnc6declz/inkscape_cover_beginner_man
> ual.png?dl=0
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Martin Owens 
> wrote:
> > Can someone help Maren?
> > 
> > I feel like a news article and a deviantArt post would be useful
> > for
> > drumming up volunteers.
> > 
> > But also, for a project director when just getting started, it's
> > useful
> > to hand out jobs, so people know that they are needed and that they
> > don't have to think too much about which of the jobs they should do
> > while figuring out the software/editing platform.
> > 
> > Thoughts?
> > 
> > Best Regards, Martin Owens
> > 
> > On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:
> > > CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2
> > > chapters
> > > each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through
> > > (35
> > > chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be
> > > seen
> > > around, after the first week, when one person translated a
> > > chapter
> > > (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be
> > > rewritten
> > > from
> > > scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a
> > > couple
> > > of
> > > chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone
> > > seems
> > > to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were
> > > supposed
> > > to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug).
> > > 
> > > I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting
> > > people
> > > get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through
> > > with
> > > translating.
> > > 
> > > I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal
> > > about
> > > helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2
> > > weeks
> > > already.
> > > But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't
> > > started
> > > this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.
> > > 
> > > Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations
> > > will
> > > be
> > > ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing
> > > through
> > > my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I
> > > expect
> > > to
> > > not have time for much else.
> > > 
> > > I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with
> > > the
> > > manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and
> > > know
> > > Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really
> > > do
> > > well, like fixing up language or styling).
> > > 
> > > There are more than enough open tasks:
> > > from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency
> > > checking
> > > and
> > > layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to
> > > adding
> > > missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course).
> > > 
> > > And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to
> > > honor
> > > the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept
> > > of
> > > the
> > > book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it
> > > to
> > > get
> > > started, without much theoretical ballast.
> > > Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she
> > > built up
> > > the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect
> > > her
> > > concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses.
> > > 
> > >  Maren
> > > 
> > > Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R:
> > > > 
> > > > I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that
> > > > we're
> > > > making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to
> > > > do
> > > > it. I
> > > > plan on helping this area of the project much more after I
> > > > handle
> > > > the
> > > > hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less
> > > > complete
> > > > manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call
> > > > for
> > > > help with it.
> > > > 
> > > > If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go
> > > > ahead, though. :)
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the
> > > > project,
> > > > brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for
> > > > Inkscape
> > > > project work. :)
> > > > 
> > > > -C
> > > > 
> > > > On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi Friends,
> > > > >    As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the
> > > > > upcoming
> > > > > hackfest, I
> > > > > suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short
> > > > > item about the
> > > > > recent new work on the new manual?
> > > > > 
> > > > >    I could do that, after I finish the hackfest
> > > > > article.  I'm
> > > > > thinking
> > > > > Maren might be able to 

Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

[Jabier Arraiza]

Thanks Maren for your work! I hope soon can get more help. Sorry the
therad about manual become too long and finaly remove atention from me.

The manual is a HTML5, Scribus or...?
Whats the TODO list about this?

Cheers, Jabier.


On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:
> CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2
> chapters
> each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35
> chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen
> around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter
> (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten
> from
> scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple
> of
> chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone
> seems
> to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were
> supposed
> to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug).
> 
> I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting
> people
> get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through with
> translating.
> 
> I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal
> about
> helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2
> weeks
> already.
> But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started
> this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.
> 
> Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations will
> be
> ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing
> through
> my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I expect
> to
> not have time for much else.
> 
> I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with the
> manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and know
> Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really do
> well, like fixing up language or styling).
> 
> There are more than enough open tasks:
> from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency checking
> and
> layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to adding
> missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course).
> 
> And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to
> honor
> the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept of
> the
> book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it to
> get
> started, without much theoretical ballast.
> Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she built up
> the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect her
> concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses.
> 
>  Maren
> 
> Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R:
> > I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that
> > we're
> > making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do
> > it. I
> > plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle
> > the
> > hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete
> > manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call for
> > help with it.
> > 
> > If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go
> > ahead, though. :)
> > 
> > Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the project,
> > brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for Inkscape
> > project work. :)
> > 
> > -C
> > 
> > On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn  wrote:
> > > Hi Friends,
> > >    As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming
> > > hackfest, I
> > > suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short
> > > item about the
> > > recent new work on the new manual?
> > > 
> > >    I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article.  I'm
> > > thinking
> > > Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first
> > > time around?
> > > Although I don't mean to volunteer her.  As I said, I could do it
> > > myself, if
> > > we decide to do it.
> > > 
> > >    I think it would help in community-building, to keep the
> > > wider
> > > community up to date about these things.  What do other manual
> > > workers and
> > > Docs list subscribers think?
> > > 
> > > All best,
> > > brynn
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website: Bad Gateway and server errors, even on login

[Jabier Arraiza]

Not sure if undertand but if help, I still couldent upload a image.

Cheers, Jabier.

On Mon, 2016-12-19 at 10:25 -0500, Martin Owens wrote:
> I've reset the nginx and wsgi services, testing from here looks ok,
> but
> it might be something intermittent.
> 
> Martin,
> 
> On Mon, 2016-12-19 at 15:07 +0100, Maren Hachmann wrote:
> > Hi Martin,
> > 
> > could you have a look at the website? It's giving lots of server
> > errors
> > and Bad Gateway errors, upon trying to upload something (Bryce's
> > pre4
> > source code), trying to view resources as well as when trying to
> > login.
> > 
> > It could be connected to the outages we experienced yesterday,
> > which
> > were related to power failure in some data center, but I suspect
> > that
> > it
> > isn't (or that it would need fixing on the server, at least).
> > 
> > Regards,
> >  Maren
> 
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