Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website, ‘Learn’: Ordered tutorials and underlined manuals
Le 18/07/2016 à 14:54, Brynn a écrit : > I like that idea of having books in certain languages showing on certain > translation pages. However, I'm afraid some people are in such a hurry, > they might not find the translation for their language, and they're > stumbling along in English. My first suggestion was to precise you need to change the language with a simple sentence, but if that's not enough we could have links at the top (or at the bottom in a dedicated section) of the page: ‘Books in German’, ‘Books in French’, ‘Books in Portuguese’, etc. (I'm promoting the most active translators) which would lead to the translated page. > I think it might work if the English translation has all the books in all > the languagesthen for the rest: French only shows French books, Spanish > only shows Spanish books, etc. Then the English page would still be very long… > This reminds me of an idea that seems to recycle itself in my mind every few > months. The idea of a sort of more or less regular Inkscape Users' article > on the website. Realistically, twice a year is about the most I could > imagine, especially since we would be out there, sort of fishing for people > to write them (if not writing ourselves). But it could be something like a > manual review, or a presentation of a really cool project someone has done > with Inkscape. Or interview a developer, maybe?? Just a way to have > something on the website that could help bring more interest for users. Yeah, that's would be really nice, but I don't know how this could be implemented. You should ask if some people are interested, then describe what you want on a feature request quoting your supporters. (In my case I'm not able to write such articles yet.) -- Sylvain -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports.http://sdm.link/zohodev2dev ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website, ‘Learn’: Ordered tutorials and underlined manuals
Maren: ">> - There are. There are *a lot* more books. And they are language-specific. >> And I wouldn't want to have them all listed there (or rather, I wouldn't >> want to have hundreds of links to amazon or some publishing house)." Sylvain: "> We could have different books for each language on the page. I don't > think a French person will be really interested in books written in > English if books in French also exist and are good. We could specify > that one should visit the page in another language to get a list of > books in that language." > Maren: ">> I'd rather like to promote books by people who have a connection to the >> Inkscape community, so if you want to ask around on the Inkscape mailing >> lists, and gather a few current ones that were written by people who >> answer, that would make a nicer list." I like that idea of having books in certain languages showing on certain translation pages. However, I'm afraid some people are in such a hurry, they might not find the translation for their language, and they're stumbling along in English. I think it might work if the English translation has all the books in all the languagesthen for the rest: French only shows French books, Spanish only shows Spanish books, etc. This reminds me of an idea that seems to recycle itself in my mind every few months. The idea of a sort of more or less regular Inkscape Users' article on the website. Realistically, twice a year is about the most I could imagine, especially since we would be out there, sort of fishing for people to write them (if not writing ourselves). But it could be something like a manual review, or a presentation of a really cool project someone has done with Inkscape. Or interview a developer, maybe?? Just a way to have something on the website that could help bring more interest for users. Well anyway, just a thought :-) All best, brynn ------------------ From: "Sylvain Chiron" Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 3:29 PM To: Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website, ‘Learn’: Ordered tutorials and underlined manuals > Le 14/07/2016 à 01:31, ma...@goos-habermann.de a écrit : >> - It was just a style decision made by the editor at the time. No >> specific >> reason. I like it as it is, but of course there are many ways to display >> something. > > You're right… The same underlining is used on the Download pages. But > HTML for styling is bad. > >> - There are. There are *a lot* more books. And they are >> language-specific. >> And I wouldn't want to have them all listed there (or rather, I wouldn't >> want to have hundreds of links to amazon or some publishing house). > > We could have different books for each language on the page. I don't > think a French person will be really interested in books written in > English if books in French also exist and are good. We could specify > that one should visit the page in another language to get a list of > books in that language. > >> I'd rather like to promote books by people who have a connection to the >> Inkscape community, so if you want to ask around on the Inkscape mailing >> lists, and gather a few current ones that were written by people who >> answer, that would make a nicer list. > > You're right, that would be great. > >> I think we once tried something like >> this - maybe with some research you will find the discussion, I don't >> remember every part of it now. > > https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/search/?q=books > I browsed a bit, useful information seems hard to find. > > Unfortunately, I don't think I'm the more appropriate person to ask on > mailing lists — I don't feel ease at it. I fear looking demanding with > all my remarks: ‘your software is buggy’, ‘your texts are full of > mistakes’, ‘your wiki was organized and coded with feet and bottom’, > ‘there's that little problem hard to correct but which really annoys me > in this or that reference’ — and now ‘hey, I'm new and I wonder why you > left your Books page empty like that’, while my work has not been of > high value till now, it might be too much. I'll wait. > >> - That's fine. It would be nice to only do that when the 'project' of >> getting new books on the page is finished, so translators don't have to >> translate it in many steps, but only in one. > > Yes, of course. > >> I had actually had that exact link listed on that page, at one time. >> But was told that we don't want to advertise the publisher, so it was >> removed. > > I understand it's a problem. I
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website, ‘Learn’: Ordered tutorials and underlined manuals
Le 14/07/2016 à 01:31, ma...@goos-habermann.de a écrit : > - It was just a style decision made by the editor at the time. No specific > reason. I like it as it is, but of course there are many ways to display > something. You're right… The same underlining is used on the Download pages. But HTML for styling is bad. > - There are. There are *a lot* more books. And they are language-specific. > And I wouldn't want to have them all listed there (or rather, I wouldn't > want to have hundreds of links to amazon or some publishing house). We could have different books for each language on the page. I don't think a French person will be really interested in books written in English if books in French also exist and are good. We could specify that one should visit the page in another language to get a list of books in that language. > I'd rather like to promote books by people who have a connection to the > Inkscape community, so if you want to ask around on the Inkscape mailing > lists, and gather a few current ones that were written by people who > answer, that would make a nicer list. You're right, that would be great. > I think we once tried something like > this - maybe with some research you will find the discussion, I don't > remember every part of it now. https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/search/?q=books I browsed a bit, useful information seems hard to find. Unfortunately, I don't think I'm the more appropriate person to ask on mailing lists — I don't feel ease at it. I fear looking demanding with all my remarks: ‘your software is buggy’, ‘your texts are full of mistakes’, ‘your wiki was organized and coded with feet and bottom’, ‘there's that little problem hard to correct but which really annoys me in this or that reference’ — and now ‘hey, I'm new and I wonder why you left your Books page empty like that’, while my work has not been of high value till now, it might be too much. I'll wait. > - That's fine. It would be nice to only do that when the 'project' of > getting new books on the page is finished, so translators don't have to > translate it in many steps, but only in one. Yes, of course. > I had actually had that exact link listed on that page, at one time. > But was told that we don't want to advertise the publisher, so it was > removed. I understand it's a problem. I already found Packt Publishing in the news several times. If it's the only publisher we talk about on the Books page, it's even worse. > There are a lot of books about Inkscape, but I think the problem is that > if none of us have reviewed, or even seen them, it's hard to justify > promoting them. True. The authors are often not well-known by the community? (This is sad.) > We had a looong discussion about where to put the Keyboard Ref and > Command Line Ref, because they are neither books or manuals. Then we > had a loong discussion about changing the name of the page. None of the > discussions produced a result that we all found acceptable, so > everything was left as it is. Well, if you want the Command Line Ref, type ‘man inkscape’ (Windows 10 will offer you a UNIX shell soon so this should work), and to access the Keyboard Ref, find the menu item in the Inkscape software. The command line ref is a UNIX ‘man(ual) page’, hence it's a bit of a manual. I think it's acceptable like that. > I do think the underlines could be dropped from the 2 Refs. It probably > didn't not look quite as imposing as it does now, since we changed the > h3 style. Yeah, it was a line of 1px height instead of 2px. I removed the on the Books page and translations; I'll now deal with the Download page and the Windows subpage. -- Sylvain -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports.http://sdm.link/zohodev2dev ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website, ‘Learn’: Ordered tutorials and underlined manuals
> By the way, aren't there more books about Inkscape? On Packt > Publishing's website, I see there are at least 4 books: > https://www.packtpub.com/all?search=inkscape > One of them is evoked in an old news article on the Inkscape website: > https://inkscape.org/en/news/2011/04/30/inkscape-048-illustrators-cookbook-available-now/ > Maybe we should have a single heading for all books on Packt Publishing I had actually had that exact link listed on that page, at one time. But was told that we don't want to advertise the publisher, so it was removed. There are a lot of books about Inkscape, but I think the problem is that if none of us have reviewed, or even seen them, it's hard to justify promoting them. We had a looong discussion about where to put the Keyboard Ref and Command Line Ref, because they are neither books or manuals. Then we had a loong discussion about changing the name of the page. None of the discussions produced a result that we all found acceptable, so everything was left as it is. I do think the underlines could be dropped from the 2 Refs. It probably didn't not look quite as imposing as it does now, since we changed the h3 style. All best, brynn -- From: "Sylvain Chiron" Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:58 PM To: "Inkscape Docs" Subject: [Inkscape-docs] Website, ‘Learn’: Ordered tutorials and underlined manuals > Hi all, > > Two things have questioned me for a while in the ‘Learn’ part of the > website. > > The first is, why are the tutorials in a different order from the > Inkscape program tutorial submenu's? > I guess they're ordered by publication date on the website, but this > detail is quite obsolete now; so could I reorder the tutorials on the > website to match the order in Inkscape's ‘Tutorials’ submenu, which is a > bit more logical? > > Second thing: why are all 3rd-level headings on the ‘Books and Manuals’ > page underlined? Here, my thought is that it was initially decided to > underline the books' titles. But the keyboard shortcut and command line > references are not really books bound to an author… > I would also recommend that we use italic, as those thick lines have a > look which is a bit hard. > Then we would have Tav's manual and the book in italic. > > By the way, aren't there more books about Inkscape? On Packt > Publishing's website, I see there are at least 4 books: > https://www.packtpub.com/all?search=inkscape > One of them is evoked in an old news article on the Inkscape website: > https://inkscape.org/en/news/2011/04/30/inkscape-048-illustrators-cookbook-available-now/ > Maybe we should have a single heading for all books on Packt Publishing > to avoid promoting it. Let me see… Among the 4, 3 are by Bethany Hiitola > and list her (or his?) book with bullets. We could also have a > subsection for Bethany and another for the cookbook. What do you prefer? > > For my two things, I'll deal with all languages (unless anybody wants to > help). For the books, I'll call the help of translators as the text will > change. > -- > Sylvain > > -- > What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and > traffic > patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols > are > consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, > J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity > planning > reports.http://sdm.link/zohodev2dev > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports.http://sdm.link/zohodev2dev ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] Website, ‘Learn’: Ordered tutorials and underlined manuals
Hi all, Two things have questioned me for a while in the ‘Learn’ part of the website. The first is, why are the tutorials in a different order from the Inkscape program tutorial submenu's? I guess they're ordered by publication date on the website, but this detail is quite obsolete now; so could I reorder the tutorials on the website to match the order in Inkscape's ‘Tutorials’ submenu, which is a bit more logical? Second thing: why are all 3rd-level headings on the ‘Books and Manuals’ page underlined? Here, my thought is that it was initially decided to underline the books' titles. But the keyboard shortcut and command line references are not really books bound to an author… I would also recommend that we use italic, as those thick lines have a look which is a bit hard. Then we would have Tav's manual and the book in italic. By the way, aren't there more books about Inkscape? On Packt Publishing's website, I see there are at least 4 books: https://www.packtpub.com/all?search=inkscape One of them is evoked in an old news article on the Inkscape website: https://inkscape.org/en/news/2011/04/30/inkscape-048-illustrators-cookbook-available-now/ Maybe we should have a single heading for all books on Packt Publishing to avoid promoting it. Let me see… Among the 4, 3 are by Bethany Hiitola and list her (or his?) book with bullets. We could also have a subsection for Bethany and another for the cookbook. What do you prefer? For my two things, I'll deal with all languages (unless anybody wants to help). For the books, I'll call the help of translators as the text will change. -- Sylvain -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports.http://sdm.link/zohodev2dev ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
