[IRCA] Noise Cancelling Speaker for MW DXing?
Apologies if this is off-topic. I’m new to MW DXing and to this list. I was wondering if anyone has tried a noise-cancelling DSP speaker for cleaning up the audio of MW stations. I can see where in some cases it might ‘erase' a weak station, but with some of these speakers the amount of DSP can be selected. I was thinking of this product, the BHI 10-watt desktop DSP noise cancelling base station speaker. The product description includes a link to a QST review. https://www.bhi-ltd.com/noise-cancelling/dsp-noise-cancelling-speakers/desktop.html Thanks so much. -- Bob Tarte NEW BOOK: FEATHER BRAINED My Bumbling Quest to Become a Birder and Find a Rare Bird On My Own (University of Michigan Press) OTHER BOOKS: Enslaved By Ducks Fowl Weather Kitty Cornered www.BobTarte.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise?
How did you know I've been putting on weight? :-)) Regards, Mark Durenberger -Original Message- From: billy brooks Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 5:50 PM To: 'Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America' Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise? Wow!!! One of the big guns replies to me! I'm so flattered. where do I kiss your ring? -Original Message- From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Mark Durenberger Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 4:17 PM To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise? I wouldn't apologize, Bill! You've got a great "rig." And I don't think ground is nearly as important as it would be to single-ended antennas like long wires and verticals. Regards, Mark Durenberger -Original Message- From: billy brooks Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:58 PM To: irca@hard-core-dx.com Subject: [IRCA] noise? Too much noise is the reason I've curtailed / stopped my dx'ing activities. But I will say, the hobby has advanced to the starship level of technology compared to my lowly knight r-100a w'/160ft. random set-up, back in the '60's. You folks have me just blown away with your sdr abilities and enzac modeling. Huh? I'm re-learning the hobby after 50 non-contiguous years of dx'ing. Back in my day, dx'ing kfi was a big deal. You tp,ta guys are on an occult level with me. I still hold my breath at your published results. A phenom I no nothing about! Bill brooks Waynesburgh,pa 15370 Formerly (nrc) wpe3hir Currently: wellbrook 1530ala lp drake r8a no other antennas very poor shale soils as ground plane --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise?
Geez. I was hoping neil wasn't one of the responders to this thread. I was formerly running his 17' x 64' kaz as my antenna oriented west w/900ohm resistor as terminator. My wellbrook is outside on the balcony railing about 5' from the brick façade. Using a rotator to orient and lmr-240 lead-in. it is about 15'above grade. I can relocate to The yard, but was hoping to keep it closer to the shack, where I can keep an eye on it. -Original Message- From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Neil Kazaross Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 6:33 PM To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise? Billy that ALA 1530LP is a fine antenna. Can you mount it outside somewhere on your property where it is less noisy? Perhaps raise it up and put it on a rotor? 73 KAZ On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Mark Durenberger wrote: > I wouldn't apologize, Bill! You've got a great "rig." And I don't > think ground is nearly as important as it would be to single-ended > antennas like long wires and verticals. > > > Regards, > > Mark Durenberger > > > > -Original Message- From: billy brooks > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:58 PM > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com > Subject: [IRCA] noise? > > > Too much noise is the reason I've curtailed / stopped my dx'ing activities. > But I will say, the hobby has advanced to the starship level of > technology compared to my lowly knight r-100a w'/160ft. random > set-up, back in the '60's. > > You folks have me just blown away with your sdr abilities and enzac > modeling. Huh? > > I'm re-learning the hobby after 50 non-contiguous years of dx'ing. > > Back in my day, dx'ing kfi was a big deal. You tp,ta guys are on an > occult > level with me. I still hold my breath at your published results. A > phenom I no nothing about! > > > > Bill brooks > > Waynesburgh,pa 15370 > > Formerly (nrc) wpe3hir > > > > Currently: wellbrook 1530ala lp drake r8a no other antennas > very poor shale soils as ground plane > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of > the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of > the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] noise
Something I forgot to mention previously. I'm experimenting with running my drake r8a and wellbrook 1530 loop on a 12v 7ah battery. while it is a bit quieter, I cant'say conclusively. Reason being, I still have my trusty acer desktop at hand. But I've switched it off, and not noticed any real changes. So, the verdict is still out. If I pack everything into the truck and visit the country hilltops, I am sure things will improve. What I'd like is to create a quiet qth where the dx just "rolls in" with no espn and similar station id violators! Bill brooks Waynesburg,pa Drake r8a wellbrook 1530 lna loop --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise?
Wow!!! One of the big guns replies to me! I'm so flattered. where do I kiss your ring? -Original Message- From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Mark Durenberger Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 4:17 PM To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise? I wouldn't apologize, Bill! You've got a great "rig." And I don't think ground is nearly as important as it would be to single-ended antennas like long wires and verticals. Regards, Mark Durenberger -Original Message- From: billy brooks Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:58 PM To: irca@hard-core-dx.com Subject: [IRCA] noise? Too much noise is the reason I've curtailed / stopped my dx'ing activities. But I will say, the hobby has advanced to the starship level of technology compared to my lowly knight r-100a w'/160ft. random set-up, back in the '60's. You folks have me just blown away with your sdr abilities and enzac modeling. Huh? I'm re-learning the hobby after 50 non-contiguous years of dx'ing. Back in my day, dx'ing kfi was a big deal. You tp,ta guys are on an occult level with me. I still hold my breath at your published results. A phenom I no nothing about! Bill brooks Waynesburgh,pa 15370 Formerly (nrc) wpe3hir Currently: wellbrook 1530ala lp drake r8a no other antennas very poor shale soils as ground plane --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise?
Billy that ALA 1530LP is a fine antenna. Can you mount it outside somewhere on your property where it is less noisy? Perhaps raise it up and put it on a rotor? 73 KAZ On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Mark Durenberger wrote: > I wouldn't apologize, Bill! You've got a great "rig." And I don't think > ground is nearly as important as it would be to single-ended antennas like > long wires and verticals. > > > Regards, > > Mark Durenberger > > > > -Original Message- From: billy brooks > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:58 PM > To: irca@hard-core-dx.com > Subject: [IRCA] noise? > > > Too much noise is the reason I've curtailed / stopped my dx'ing activities. > But I will say, the hobby has advanced to the starship level of technology > compared to my lowly knight r-100a w'/160ft. random set-up, back in the > '60's. > > You folks have me just blown away with your sdr abilities and enzac > modeling. Huh? > > I'm re-learning the hobby after 50 non-contiguous years of dx'ing. > > Back in my day, dx'ing kfi was a big deal. You tp,ta guys are on an > occult > level with me. I still hold my breath at your published results. A > phenom I no nothing about! > > > > Bill brooks > > Waynesburgh,pa 15370 > > Formerly (nrc) wpe3hir > > > > Currently: wellbrook 1530ala lp drake r8a no other antennas > very poor shale soils as ground plane > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise?
I wouldn't apologize, Bill! You've got a great "rig." And I don't think ground is nearly as important as it would be to single-ended antennas like long wires and verticals. Regards, Mark Durenberger -Original Message- From: billy brooks Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:58 PM To: irca@hard-core-dx.com Subject: [IRCA] noise? Too much noise is the reason I've curtailed / stopped my dx'ing activities. But I will say, the hobby has advanced to the starship level of technology compared to my lowly knight r-100a w'/160ft. random set-up, back in the '60's. You folks have me just blown away with your sdr abilities and enzac modeling. Huh? I'm re-learning the hobby after 50 non-contiguous years of dx'ing. Back in my day, dx'ing kfi was a big deal. You tp,ta guys are on an occult level with me. I still hold my breath at your published results. A phenom I no nothing about! Bill brooks Waynesburgh,pa 15370 Formerly (nrc) wpe3hir Currently: wellbrook 1530ala lp drake r8a no other antennas very poor shale soils as ground plane --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] noise?
Too much noise is the reason I've curtailed / stopped my dx'ing activities. But I will say, the hobby has advanced to the starship level of technology compared to my lowly knight r-100a w'/160ft. random set-up, back in the '60's. You folks have me just blown away with your sdr abilities and enzac modeling. Huh? I'm re-learning the hobby after 50 non-contiguous years of dx'ing. Back in my day, dx'ing kfi was a big deal. You tp,ta guys are on an occult level with me. I still hold my breath at your published results. A phenom I no nothing about! Bill brooks Waynesburgh,pa 15370 Formerly (nrc) wpe3hir Currently: wellbrook 1530ala lp drake r8a no other antennas very poor shale soils as ground plane --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise Floor: Where Do We Go From Here?
That is why so many do DXpeditions these days. Get away from locals as well as the noise. Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager From: IRCA on behalf of Paul B. Walker, Jr. Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:56 PM To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Subject: Re: [IRCA] Noise Floor: Where Do We Go From Here? I lucked out.. No AM station within 200 miles of me and if I can drive just a few miles out of town, I get about as electrically/RF quiet as possible as there are no power lines past the edge of town. Paul On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 6:17 PM Patrick Martin wrote: > > > I totally agree with Russ. It will continue to go up. KSWB 840 Seaside > went with a 250w translator as John (owner) has the same issue, which FM > doesn't.The only way to get rid of it is to move out in the middle of > nowhere, as some have done, but that is not always practical. Here on the > coast, my noise level used to be almost nil, but the noise level has even > increased more here. Too many electronics that have noise. > > > > Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager > > > > > > > > From: IRCA on behalf of Russ Edmunds < > wb2...@gmail.com> > > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 1:14 PM > > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Noise Floor: Where Do We Go From Here? > > > > If I have a guess, noise will continue to go up, and the FCC will be unable > > to take any steps strong enough to have an effect. > > > > Russ Edmunds > > 15 mi NW Phila > > Grid FN20id > > > > > > AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (4) barefoot w/whip > > FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder; > > Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 4); > > modified Sony ICF2010's (3) w/APS9B @ 15'; > > modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Dennis Gibson wrote: > > > > > http://www.radioworld.com/article/noise-floor-where-do- > > > we-go-from-here/300031 > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > ___ > > > IRCA mailing list > > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > > > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > > > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org International Radio Club of America<http://www.ircaonline.org/> www.ircaonline.org Web Site for the International Radio Club of America > > International Radio Club of America<http://www.ircaonline.org/> International Radio Club of America<http://www.ircaonline.org/> www.ircaonline.org Web Site for the International Radio Club of America > > www.ircaonline.org<http://www.ircaonline.org> > > Web Site for the International Radio Club of America > > > > > > > > > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > IRCA mailing list > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > International Radio Club of America<http://www.ircaonline.org/> > > www.ircaonline.org<http://www.ircaonline.org> > > Web Site for the International Radio Club of America > > > > > > > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > ___ > > IRCA mailing list > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise Floor: Where Do We Go From Here?
I lucked out.. No AM station within 200 miles of me and if I can drive just a few miles out of town, I get about as electrically/RF quiet as possible as there are no power lines past the edge of town. Paul On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 6:17 PM Patrick Martin wrote: > > > I totally agree with Russ. It will continue to go up. KSWB 840 Seaside > went with a 250w translator as John (owner) has the same issue, which FM > doesn't.The only way to get rid of it is to move out in the middle of > nowhere, as some have done, but that is not always practical. Here on the > coast, my noise level used to be almost nil, but the noise level has even > increased more here. Too many electronics that have noise. > > > > Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager > > > > > > > > From: IRCA on behalf of Russ Edmunds < > wb2...@gmail.com> > > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 1:14 PM > > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] Noise Floor: Where Do We Go From Here? > > > > If I have a guess, noise will continue to go up, and the FCC will be unable > > to take any steps strong enough to have an effect. > > > > Russ Edmunds > > 15 mi NW Phila > > Grid FN20id > > > > > > AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (4) barefoot w/whip > > FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder; > > Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 4); > > modified Sony ICF2010's (3) w/APS9B @ 15'; > > modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Dennis Gibson wrote: > > > > > http://www.radioworld.com/article/noise-floor-where-do- > > > we-go-from-here/300031 > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > ___ > > > IRCA mailing list > > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > > > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > > > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > International Radio Club of America<http://www.ircaonline.org/> > > www.ircaonline.org > > Web Site for the International Radio Club of America > > > > > > > > > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > IRCA mailing list > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > International Radio Club of America<http://www.ircaonline.org/> > > www.ircaonline.org > > Web Site for the International Radio Club of America > > > > > > > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > ___ > > IRCA mailing list > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise Floor: Where Do We Go From Here?
I totally agree with Russ. It will continue to go up. KSWB 840 Seaside went with a 250w translator as John (owner) has the same issue, which FM doesn't.The only way to get rid of it is to move out in the middle of nowhere, as some have done, but that is not always practical. Here on the coast, my noise level used to be almost nil, but the noise level has even increased more here. Too many electronics that have noise. Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager From: IRCA on behalf of Russ Edmunds Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 1:14 PM To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Subject: Re: [IRCA] Noise Floor: Where Do We Go From Here? If I have a guess, noise will continue to go up, and the FCC will be unable to take any steps strong enough to have an effect. Russ Edmunds 15 mi NW Phila Grid FN20id AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (4) barefoot w/whip FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder; Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 4); modified Sony ICF2010's (3) w/APS9B @ 15'; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Dennis Gibson wrote: > http://www.radioworld.com/article/noise-floor-where-do- > we-go-from-here/300031 > > Sent from my iPad > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org International Radio Club of America<http://www.ircaonline.org/> www.ircaonline.org Web Site for the International Radio Club of America > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org International Radio Club of America<http://www.ircaonline.org/> www.ircaonline.org Web Site for the International Radio Club of America To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise Floor: Where Do We Go From Here?
I agree with Russ, the future isn't bright in regard to the noise problem. I'm curious as to what noise will be generated by the wind turbines planned for my neighbourhood. Richard Allen. Sent from my iPad -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise Floor: Where Do We Go From Here?
As a tropical band DXer (a dying breed), I just want to know how I can get CODAR identified as "harmful interference". :^) But I agree with Russ. I don't see how anything is going to change. The IoNT (IoNT = Internet of Noisy Things) will continue to expand, as everyone wants to be instantly connected to everything, and all new tech is designed from the start to be "smart" tech. I hope I don't sound too Luddite there Mark On 2016-12-15 4:14 pm, Russ Edmunds wrote: If I have a guess, noise will continue to go up, and the FCC will be unable to take any steps strong enough to have an effect. Russ Edmunds 15 mi NW Phila Grid FN20id AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (4) barefoot w/whip FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder; Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 4); modified Sony ICF2010's (3) w/APS9B @ 15'; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Dennis Gibson wrote: http://www.radioworld.com/article/noise-floor-where-do- we-go-from-here/300031 Sent from my iPad ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise Floor: Where Do We Go From Here?
If I have a guess, noise will continue to go up, and the FCC will be unable to take any steps strong enough to have an effect. Russ Edmunds 15 mi NW Phila Grid FN20id AM: Modified Sony ICF2010's (4) barefoot w/whip FM: Yamaha T-80 & T-85, each w/ Conrad RDS Decoder; Onkyo T-450RDS; Tecsun PL-310 ( 4); modified Sony ICF2010's (3) w/APS9B @ 15'; modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Dennis Gibson wrote: > http://www.radioworld.com/article/noise-floor-where-do- > we-go-from-here/300031 > > Sent from my iPad > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] Noise Floor: Where Do We Go From Here?
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[IRCA] Noise Is the Big Problem for AM, SBE Argues
Regulatory relief to knock down noise? NOT gunna happen, dear friends! The noise is even starting to show up in cheaper FM radios. Get your DX-ing in while you still can...or better yet, join us in the desert :-)) Cheers! Mark Durenberger, CPBE -Original Message- From: Dennis Gibson http://www.radioworld.com/article/noise-is-the-big-problem-for-am-sbe-argues/278409 ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] Noise Is the Big Problem for AM, SBE Argues
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[IRCA] NOISE-BEATING
I've been involved in recent threads with some of you, regarding common-mode noise suppression. I went to Fair-Rite with a question about suppression on USB cables and wanted to share the response: Hi Mark, Thank you for your Ask the Adviser question! While I am unsure as to what is the source or frequency of your common-mode noise, given that USB clock frequency is 24 MHz I would say that 61-material would be suppressing at too high a frequency (> 200 MHz) to have an major impact. Instead, may I suggest trying a broad-band material such as 31 (operating between 1 MHz and 300 MHz) or 43/44 (operating between 25MHz and 300 MHz). As for the number of turns, this is proportional to the impedance you require (Z ~ N^2) and again depends on the amount of noise suppression your system requires - typically one turn (or one pass through the aperture of the core) should be sufficient. Hope this helps! Sincerely, Rachael Parker Cheers! Mark Durenberger, CPBE There's SO much I still don't know! ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise on 1500
Gang, It sounds like wind whistling through my porch from just outside Moorland, Ia. Steve On 2/4/16 10:37 PM, Stewart, Joseph R wrote: It's fairly strong tonight, though with skywave fading... I hear no "wobbling" or warbling, but rather a fairly steady tone of about 500 Hz, equally strong on both sidebands. It's not a "clean"-sounding tone by any means--definitely sounds like someone with a serious transmitter problem. From here in southwest Missouri it loops pretty much E-W or just slightly ESE/WNW. Anyway, that's what I'm hearing around 2330 EST tonight. Randy Stewart Battlefield MO ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com -- Stephen Hawkins NG0G n...@wccta.net 73 49 111 01001001 ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] Noise on 1500
It's fairly strong tonight, though with skywave fading... I hear no "wobbling" or warbling, but rather a fairly steady tone of about 500 Hz, equally strong on both sidebands. It's not a "clean"-sounding tone by any means--definitely sounds like someone with a serious transmitter problem. From here in southwest Missouri it loops pretty much E-W or just slightly ESE/WNW. Anyway, that's what I'm hearing around 2330 EST tonight. Randy Stewart Battlefield MO ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise on 1500khz
The noise had been missing for a few nights but has been back the last 2 nights, still looping NW-SE for me. Rob Keeney Goose Creek SC On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 7:07 PM, wrote: > Last week I sent an e-mail to WPSO in New Port Ritchey, > Fla. regarding the noise heard up here on 1500khz. I > raised the possibility that it may be originating from > their transmitter. Their reply mentioned that they will > look into this issue soon. > > It's hard to imagine how a 250w station could generate > enough noise from overload or some other issue to mess up > the channel 1000 miles away. They would have to put a > considerable amount of RF energy into the noise to do > this. It appears the noise is audible when no other audio > is heard (typical Greek vocal and instrumental music). > > If the noise goes away in a week or so it was from WPSO. > > Tom Jasinski > Joliet, IL > > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise on 1500khz
Last week I sent an e-mail to WPSO in New Port Ritchey, Fla. regarding the noise heard up here on 1500khz. I raised the possibility that it may be originating from their transmitter. Their reply mentioned that they will look into this issue soon. It's hard to imagine how a 250w station could generate enough noise from overload or some other issue to mess up the channel 1000 miles away. They would have to put a considerable amount of RF energy into the noise to do this. It appears the noise is audible when no other audio is heard (typical Greek vocal and instrumental music). If the noise goes away in a week or so it was from WPSO. Tom Jasinski Joliet, IL ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise is gone
Thanks Barry. It does mean is wont return. hi. But at least for now it is gone. The dial was loaded with static last night anyway from distant t storms, not for several hundred miles, and the beverage was extremely noisy. But it is Summer. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise is gone
Great news Patrick Best wishes Barry :-) --- On Tue, 5/7/11, Patrick Martin wrote: From: Patrick Martin Subject: [IRCA] Noise is gone To: irca@hard-core-dx.com, a...@nrcdxas.org Date: Tuesday, 5 July, 2011, 4:48 Tonight I turned on the R8 and noticed there was no buzz, so I urned off the NB and it is gone. Hopefully it wont return, but who knows? It sounded like a Light Dimmer or a Touch Lamp. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] Noise is gone
Tonight I turned on the R8 and noticed there was no buzz, so I urned off the NB and it is gone. Hopefully it wont return, but who knows? It sounded like a Light Dimmer or a Touch Lamp. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
Martin, I have heard this from the power companies. However, with the increase in so many items that use power, it seems a bit overkill. But I don't care to guess which CFLs do or do not caue RFI, so I will stick with regular bulbs. I don't use many anyway. Right now as I type this, I have 1-40 watt lamp on in the livingroom and two 60 watt bulbs on off the den where I am sitting. That is normal for me. I may go into the radio room and turn on the light there and then turn off the one by the den. So, not a lot of light bulbs are on at any one time. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
I have CFLs in my radio room and they don't generate noise. They are the single bulb replacements. I also have some that are inside of the larger flood type lights and those do emit noise. So those go off when listening. The reason the power companies want us to switch is they can only produce so much electricity and they're running out of capacity. So instead of building new power plants they're trying to reduce consumption per household so that they can build more homes and still provide service. It's not really about us saving money. I have also noticed that they don't last that long. I just hope most people will dispose of them properly and I also hope that they find something better in the future. Martin Foltz Mission Viejo CA > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 07:24:48 -0500 > From: Tim Kridel > To: > Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise issue update > > I've been using CFLs for about 10 years and have never noticed an > increase > in QRM. In fact, I have six in my shack, and two are less than a foot > from > my radios. > > CFLs do seem to make a significant dent in electricity consumption when > there's a house full of them. The downside is that in my experience, > they > don't last anywhere near the advertised lifespan of several years, > regardless of whether they're a name brand or store brand. > > I've gotten quite a few $5 Home Depot gift cards after complaining to > manufacturers, but I'm starting to believe that CFLs are a waste of > money > because they don't last long enough for the energy savings to surpass > the > price premium. I hope LEDs are better, but I'm not holding my breath. ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
I never tried the buttons other than years ago, I used them at a Disco for flashing lights. They worked well for that. Not a good idea for DXers though. hi. Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
Those buttons have diodes in them but they tended to short across the junction making them useless other than as a spacer. On 6/29/2011 16:40, Patrick Martin wrote: They also used to make a button shaped item you could put into the socket to cut the volage down getting to the bulb. I don't know if those as available nowdays or not. Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
CFLs have had a lot of hype in their ads. I have two early ones that Pacific Power sent out for free to try to get people to switch to them. Those two put carriers all over the dial from the one I tried in my radio room, so I decided then to stick with regular bulbs. I only run a couple bulbs at a time in the house at night, so my savings would be little if anything. Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
I've been using CFLs for about 10 years and have never noticed an increase in QRM. In fact, I have six in my shack, and two are less than a foot from my radios. CFLs do seem to make a significant dent in electricity consumption when there's a house full of them. The downside is that in my experience, they don't last anywhere near the advertised lifespan of several years, regardless of whether they're a name brand or store brand. I've gotten quite a few $5 Home Depot gift cards after complaining to manufacturers, but I'm starting to believe that CFLs are a waste of money because they don't last long enough for the energy savings to surpass the price premium. I hope LEDs are better, but I'm not holding my breath. ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
A lot of my bulbs get little use, so they last for years. A few get replaced more than once a year, but not many. Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
I have changed one lightbulb in the past three years. If you don't need it on, don't turn it on. If you turn it on and off a lot, you are killing it one flick at a time so leave it on for the day. Mike Hawkins On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Patrick Martin wrote: > I doubt I use 30 bulbs a year, being the only person in the house, but I > fiqure at least a dozen. Over 300+ bulbs should last me 20-30 years > anyway. > > Patrick > > Patrick Martin > Seaside OR > KGED QSL Manager > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
They also used to make a button shaped item you could put into the socket to cut the volage down getting to the bulb. I don't know if those as available nowdays or not. Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
>> This type of bulb is used on tower sidelights. It'll be >> available for many years, even after household use is >> prohibited. But, I am squirreling away incandescent >> myself. I just don't like the fluorescent versions. > > How does this bulb compared in size to a regular bulb > and cost? Size is the same, though the glass is clear rather than frosted. Cost wouldn't be that much different. Haven't priced it lately, but I could check next time I speak with a tower company. Craig Healy Providence, RI ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
Powell, I would want something no more than 75 watts as the heat that the bulb produces above that is too high for the dual sockets in the ceiling. The limit is 75 watts. I have used 60 watt (2) in the past and they work, but the two 75 watters are a bit brighter. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
I bought a CASE of Duro Test 116 watt marker lamps marked as 100 watters for a song. These bulbs are rated at 8000 hours. Clear. If you saw the bulb you'd understand why they last that long, but normally go for a lot of money for ONE lamp. I used to use them where it was a very unsafe ordeal to change them out. Powell ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
I don't have ANY incandescent lamps in use except for a couple small diameter candlelabra styled lamps. Incandescent light is a very INaccurate poor color rendering light. You can get CFL lamps with colors at 2600 (Reveal) 2700, 3000 3500, 41000, 5000, 5500,6000 and 6500 kelvin. The GE Reveal gives a warm lush light with a slight pink hint. Using Brand X CFL lamps insure early failure. I have an old GE 23 watt ( 100+ equivalent) 6500 daylight bulbon the back of the house. I am breaking rules... no exposed, outdoor it says AND it's been on 24/7 for over 2 years. If you use an outdoor antenna there's no interference. I found the Phillips SL series WERE noisy and gave them away. It's too bad that is the case, they last forever. I have a DESK lamp in my radio room that has 2 F15T8 lamps in it. It SITS ATOP the radio, and you will not hear a WHISPER OUT OF IT. It is not a CFL. The Sylvania Living Spaces CFL is very rich in color, and is very quiet compared to the GE reveal, though the wire for the lamp that has it goes RIGHT by the small 3 foot wire on the old tube type Heathkit. S no blanket condeming please. However in a few years, you will see very few CFLs as a breakthrhough in LED lighting has happened that will bring the cost down to a few dollars. If you want you can use the halogen replacements starting to show up. Just be aware they are a fire hazard at End Of Life failure. They can explode and cause a fire. Powell POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 6/29/11, Patrick Martin wrote: , I also don't like the light the CFL's put out. Patrick ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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>>This type of bulb is used on tower sidelights. It'll be available for many years, even after household use is prohibited. But, I am squirreling away incandescents myself. I just don't like the fluorescent versions.<< How does this bulb compared in size to a regular bulb and cost? Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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I doubt I use 30 bulbs a year, being the only person in the house, but I fiqure at least a dozen. Over 300+ bulbs should last me 20-30 years anyway. Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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I remember from many years ago hearing about 130 volt bulbs so I went searching on Google. Found the below information and several places to purchase them. "130 Volt bulbs average 5600 life hours when used on a 120 Volt line. 200 watt bulbs average 5000 life hours. All other bulbs average 750 to 1000 life hours." This type of bulb is used on tower sidelights. It'll be available for many years, even after household use is prohibited. But, I am squirreling away incandescents myself. I just don't like the fluorescent versions. Craig Healy Providence, RI ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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I remember from many years ago hearing about 130 volt bulbs so I went searching on Google. Found the below information and several places to purchase them. "130 Volt bulbs average 5600 life hours when used on a 120 Volt line. 200 watt bulbs average 5000 life hours. All other bulbs average 750 to 1000 life hours." ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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When this stupid law became known a few years ago, I kept track of my usage for a year and found that my 2000 sq ft home consumed about 30 bulbs (60 w) over those 12 months. Your mileage may vary I assume. I bought 24 bulbs on any trip to Lowe's until I got about a 12 year supply squirreled away. In addition to that, I am using some LED bulbs in a few strategic locations in the house that are far enough away from any radio gear ( I notice some hash at a distance of 3 feet or less). Based on where I am using them, I think my 12 year supply of incandescents will last 15 or more years. On the LED's, some models are longer in length than the standard bulbs...so they may not fit inside every fixture you have. Also they are heavy! So in lightweight lamps (gooseneck style), they can actually pull the thing over due to weight. So don't assume they are always going to be direct replacements.Also, the "light" takes some getting used to. It's a brighter light and I find that it doesn't spread out/disperse as well as incandescent. They do run much much cooler and I think ultimately this technology will be a good one...once prices come down. I refuse to use CFL's. I have found that the 40w LED equivalent actually creates a similar amount of light to a 60 watt incandescent in some fixtures. FYI Russ J. On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Patrick Martin wrote: > I probably could sell off what I don't need. As wih many, I also don't > like the light the CFL's put out. > > Patrick > > Patrick Martin > Seaside OR > KGED QSL Manager > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > -- * The beginning of wisdom is to recognize the world as it is, not as what we wish it to be. * ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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I probably could sell off what I don't need. As wih many, I also don't like the light the CFL's put out. Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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You can sell off what you don't need to the collectors on eBay and fund your retirement! Mike Hawkins On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Patrick Martin wrote: > I just checked and with the 40w/60w/75w blubs, I have somewhere between > 350-400. I am 62, so plenty to last me the rest of my life. I may get a > couple more packs of the 40w for my lanps though. I don't have many > extra 40w. I presume the 25w ones from fridges & stoves will continue to > be made. > > > Patrick > > Patrick Martin > Seaside OR > KGED QSL Manager > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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I just checked and with the 40w/60w/75w blubs, I have somewhere between 350-400. I am 62, so plenty to last me the rest of my life. I may get a couple more packs of the 40w for my lanps though. I don't have many extra 40w. I presume the 25w ones from fridges & stoves will continue to be made. Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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Ross, I totally agree. It is all bull anyway. We will allow more radio stations on the air wasting power to few listeners and yet we are supposed to conserve. I have well over 100 bulbs I am sure. Local Costco and Home Depot still has them as well as Fred Meyer and Rite Aid. Not as many, but at least they have them. I should count how many I have. Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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On 28/06/2011 10:00 PM, Patrick Martin wrote: Russ, Thanks for the update. I guess the info I had changed. I don't know exactly how many bulbs I will need for the next 25-30 years, but I have quite a few. I don't use 100 watters, but 60& 75 and on occasion a 40. Of course we could always mail order for them from Canada or Mexico. :-) Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager Patrick...not so sure you'll be able to mail order them from CANADA!! We're supposed to be banning the sale of the Old Bulbs within the next year or so I heard!!! Everytime I go across the border to Port Huron or Detroit MichiganI bring a Bunch of Regular Bulbs back in Quantity!!! They are Already getting hard to find here in London, Ontario..especially at a decent price!! I think I have about 100, 60 Watters and maybe 40, 100 Watters stashed awayand I'm gonna get a bunch more the next time I go cross border shopping here!! Even if I don't need that many...they shouldn't be hard to get rid of once they quit selling them!! I not only hate the new Bulbs for the RFI.I can't see bugger all with them!!! They're just not right!! 73..ROB VA3SW Robert S. Ross London, Ontario CANADA ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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Russ, Thanks for the update. I guess the info I had changed. I don't know exactly how many bulbs I will need for the next 25-30 years, but I have quite a few. I don't use 100 watters, but 60 & 75 and on occasion a 40. Of course we could always mail order for them from Canada or Mexico. :-) Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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Old trick on that one, making filaments last longer that is. A diode in series with the center conductor drops the wattage of a 100W bulb to about 82W and they last many times longer. Tungsten increases in resistance as it gets hotter so even though the RMS voltage is 1/2, the current is higher making up the other 32% of power. Learned that trick when I worked for 3M on overhead projectors and copiers (ahem) a few years back. 2A 400V diodes are fine for up to 100W, increase the current rating for larger bulbs. Center conductor on an Edison base bulb because the outer screw-ring is (supposed to be) neutral with the center being hot. Safety first... A 0.1 uF 400V ceramic cap across the diode should kill any RFI. 0.01uF/1KV caps across the ballast of fourescents also kills the noise nicely but only on the transformer based ballasts. On 6/28/2011 14:18, Patrick Martin wrote: I heard the old bulbs will not be sold past 2018 here, except the odd sizes. But the 40-60-75-100w units will be history. But I still have 6 or 7 years to stock up more. Home Depot has good prices on them, plus the Dollar stores, 4 bulbs for a dollar there. I have tryed the expensive bulbs and the inexpensive and they all seem to last about the same. What helps I have heard if to limit to voltage/urrent, they last longer. Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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100's will be phased out by the end of this year. I believe that 75's and 60's will go by then end of 2013, and 40's in 2014. I don't see that you have until 2018. So far I've not noted anything about smaller wattages and/or other types of bulbs. My house uses a lot of candle-type bulbs. As those don't last as long as standard-sized bulbs, I've stocked up on those. Russ Edmunds 15 mi NNW of Philadelphia Grid FN20id FM: Yamaha T-80 & Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15'; Grundig G8 AM: Modified Sony ICF 2010's barefoot --- On Tue, 6/28/11, Patrick Martin wrote: > From: Patrick Martin > Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise issue update > To: "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America" > > Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 3:18 PM > I heard the old bulbs will not be > sold past 2018 here, except the odd > sizes. But the 40-60-75-100w units will be history. But I > still have 6 > or 7 years to stock up more. Home Depot has good prices on > them, plus > the Dollar stores, 4 bulbs for a dollar there. I have tryed > the > expensive bulbs and the inexpensive and they all seem to > last about the > same. What helps I have heard if to limit to > voltage/urrent, they last > longer. > Patrick > > Patrick Martin > Seaside OR > KGED QSL Manager > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are > those of the original contributors and do not necessarily > reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing > staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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I heard the old bulbs will not be sold past 2018 here, except the odd sizes. But the 40-60-75-100w units will be history. But I still have 6 or 7 years to stock up more. Home Depot has good prices on them, plus the Dollar stores, 4 bulbs for a dollar there. I have tryed the expensive bulbs and the inexpensive and they all seem to last about the same. What helps I have heard if to limit to voltage/urrent, they last longer. Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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Same here in particular the 150 Watt filaments which are now deemed illegal to sell. over here!. Best wishes Barry :-) --- On Mon, 27/6/11, Patrick Martin wrote: From: Patrick Martin Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise issue update To: "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America" Date: Monday, 27 June, 2011, 19:24 I have heard the LEDs are noisy too. The old tryed and true bulbs are still throughout my house. I have stored a lot of them, so if they quit making them, I still will have them for years. Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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Who cares about a few extra watts with the FCC allowing more AM & FM stations and they add a lot more than the few of us. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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I did the same thing Russ. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Russ Edmunds wrote: > I have no fluorescents, no CFL's and no LED bulbs in my house. There is a > fluorescent tbe lamp in my shed some 75' from the house, and I'm the only > one who uses it, so... > > I have no expectations of having any of them because I have almost finished > stocking up on enough incandescent bulbs to last as long as I'm likely to be > here - even if that's another 15+ years ! > > I am not concerned about the relatively minimal increase in power > consumption by remaining with the old and am willing to pay for that > inefficiency in order to continue DX'ing. > > Russ Edmunds > 15 mi NNW of Philadelphia > Grid FN20id > > FM: Yamaha T-80 & Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15'; Grundig G8 > AM: Modified Sony ICF 2010's barefoot > > > --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Russ Johnson wrote: > > > From: Russ Johnson > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise issue update > > To: rte...@pobox.com, "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of > America" > > Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 2:16 PM > > I have avoided CFLs just for the > > noise factor. I purchased a couple of LED > > bulbs (yes, pricey) recently. While they seem to have > > a lot of advantages, > > I was disappointed to see that they generated noise up to > > about 3 feet. > > > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Rene Tetro > > wrote: > > > > > Fluorescent lights have always been a source of RF > > pollution, however. So > > > they probably made the situation worse by moving to > > them. I have never > > > allowed fluorescent lighting in my houses for that > > very reason. > > > Unfortunately, the world is moving away from > > incandescent to fluorescent > > > because of the energy savings, with little thought to > > what they do to the > > > RF > > > Spectrum. > > > > > > 73, > > > Rene' > > > > > > >Is ironic that all the lighting there has been > > replaced > > > >with energy smart fluorescent tubes and the like > > but the > > > >noise level has gone from -121dbm (less than S1) > > to -63dbm (10db over S9) > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > IRCA mailing list > > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list > > are those of the > > > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect > > the opinion of the > > > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > * > > The beginning of wisdom is to recognize the world as it is, > > not as > > what we wish it to be. > > * > > ___ > > IRCA mailing list > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are > > those of the original contributors and do not necessarily > > reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing > > staff, or officers > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > -- * The beginning of wisdom is to recognize the world as it is, not as what we wish it to be. * ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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I have no fluorescents, no CFL's and no LED bulbs in my house. There is a fluorescent tbe lamp in my shed some 75' from the house, and I'm the only one who uses it, so... I have no expectations of having any of them because I have almost finished stocking up on enough incandescent bulbs to last as long as I'm likely to be here - even if that's another 15+ years ! I am not concerned about the relatively minimal increase in power consumption by remaining with the old and am willing to pay for that inefficiency in order to continue DX'ing. Russ Edmunds 15 mi NNW of Philadelphia Grid FN20id FM: Yamaha T-80 & Onkyo T-450RDS w/ APS9B @15'; Grundig G8 AM: Modified Sony ICF 2010's barefoot --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Russ Johnson wrote: > From: Russ Johnson > Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise issue update > To: rte...@pobox.com, "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of > America" > Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 2:16 PM > I have avoided CFLs just for the > noise factor. I purchased a couple of LED > bulbs (yes, pricey) recently. While they seem to have > a lot of advantages, > I was disappointed to see that they generated noise up to > about 3 feet. > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Rene Tetro > wrote: > > > Fluorescent lights have always been a source of RF > pollution, however. So > > they probably made the situation worse by moving to > them. I have never > > allowed fluorescent lighting in my houses for that > very reason. > > Unfortunately, the world is moving away from > incandescent to fluorescent > > because of the energy savings, with little thought to > what they do to the > > RF > > Spectrum. > > > > 73, > > Rene' > > > > >Is ironic that all the lighting there has been > replaced > > >with energy smart fluorescent tubes and the like > but the > > >noise level has gone from -121dbm (less than S1) > to -63dbm (10db over S9) > > > > > > > > ___ > > IRCA mailing list > > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list > are those of the > > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect > the opinion of the > > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > > > > > > -- > > * > The beginning of wisdom is to recognize the world as it is, > not as > what we wish it to be. > * > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are > those of the original contributors and do not necessarily > reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing > staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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I have heard the LEDs are noisy too. The old tryed and true bulbs are still throughout my house. I have stored a lot of them, so if they quit making them, I still will have them for years. Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
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Rene, I remember the station in Reedsport OR boosting from 10 to 50 KW just to cover their listening area as the powerline noise is so horrible. Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
I have avoided CFLs just for the noise factor. I purchased a couple of LED bulbs (yes, pricey) recently. While they seem to have a lot of advantages, I was disappointed to see that they generated noise up to about 3 feet. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Rene Tetro wrote: > Fluorescent lights have always been a source of RF pollution, however. So > they probably made the situation worse by moving to them. I have never > allowed fluorescent lighting in my houses for that very reason. > Unfortunately, the world is moving away from incandescent to fluorescent > because of the energy savings, with little thought to what they do to the > RF > Spectrum. > > 73, > Rene' > > >Is ironic that all the lighting there has been replaced > >with energy smart fluorescent tubes and the like but the > >noise level has gone from -121dbm (less than S1) to -63dbm (10db over S9) > > > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > -- * The beginning of wisdom is to recognize the world as it is, not as what we wish it to be. * ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
Unless we move on to acreage and have underground powerlines, there is always the possibility of noise, but most of us cannot do that, so we live with noise. I have been very lucky the last 30 years out here as noise has been rare. Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
Fluorescent lights have always been a source of RF pollution, however. So they probably made the situation worse by moving to them. I have never allowed fluorescent lighting in my houses for that very reason. Unfortunately, the world is moving away from incandescent to fluorescent because of the energy savings, with little thought to what they do to the RF Spectrum. 73, Rene' >Is ironic that all the lighting there has been replaced >with energy smart fluorescent tubes and the like but the >noise level has gone from -121dbm (less than S1) to -63dbm (10db over S9) ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
My favorite DX spot -- at the Hale Kona Kai Condos -- right next to the Pacific Ocean on the Big Island of Hawaii -- is a WALL of noise from about 1800 local to 2300 local. Often S9 signals -- all sounding very "SCR speed control and light dimmer" like. Is ironic that all the lighting there has been replaced with energy smart fluorescent tubes and the like but the noise level has gone from -121dbm (less than S1) to -63dbm (10db over S9) On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:02:04 -0700 mwd...@webtv.net (Patrick Martin) wrote: >A light dimmer can be turned down and not off and the owner may not even >know it. I doubt this 92 year old man is a DXer either. hi. But unless >a DXer wants to move miles away from people, they are stuck with noise. >This noise drops off once you get above 1000 kHz, and shows up a bit in >60 meters, but the issue is mainly the lower MW and LW frequencies. Colin Newell is the editor and creator of Coffeecrew.com, DXer.ca and BobHarris.com Amateur Radio VA7WWV - Victoria B.C. Canada | Twitter.com/coffeecrew ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
A light dimmer can be turned down and not off and the owner may not even know it. I doubt this 92 year old man is a DXer either. hi. But unless a DXer wants to move miles away from people, they are stuck with noise. This noise drops off once you get above 1000 kHz, and shows up a bit in 60 meters, but the issue is mainly the lower MW and LW frequencies. Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue update
Dimmers are the kiss of death for AM over here.Surely they would not be switched on 24/7? Well done on the sortie to the carport light without any cops attending hi! Best wishes Barry :-) --- On Sun, 26/6/11, Patrick Martin wrote: From: Patrick Martin Subject: [IRCA] noise issue update To: "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America" , a...@nrcdxas.org Date: Sunday, 26 June, 2011, 23:03 My neighbor was gone today, so I went over with a portable and unplugged the light in the carport briefly and the noise was still there, so not that. I seem to remember that the previous owner has light dimmers and there could be one on. Again, just a guess. But I still do not know. But it is not the light in the carport. Patrick ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue (What about the FCC?)
I think my gas meter is one of those smart meters too, but I don't believe mine causes any QRN. At least I don't believe so. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue (What about the FCC?)
The FCC in the U.S. is pretty much useless these days. There is so much QRN produced by electronic gadgets so even if the FCC had more power and was out there like they were 40 years ago, they would need a separate group just to ride herd on the noise issues. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue (What about the FCC?)
Mike Hawkins wrote: > > walked around with a battery-powered Grundig to home in on the noise > source. The main electrical panel was markedly warm. I called the utility, > and they said there was strong arcing inside, but it was the responsibility > of the owner. The owner didn't care at all, because he hoped it would burn > and he could use insurance money to put up a custom home on the huge lot. Don't they call this contributory negligence, perhaps insurance fraud. IF THIS HAPPENED and the insurance company knew of it, I doubt they would pay out on it. Not hard to imagine someone dying because of this. Yeah he could get a custom home. Maybe 3 or 4 stories, all brick(to keep out burglars living near you), plenty of steel bars in your door (think Faraday cage...), scenic vistas of San Francisco Bay, meals delivered to your front door daily ... Keep records of this. - Bob ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue (What about the FCC?)
We just had a smart meter added to my gas meter. I'm curious to see if it causes more noise but how to isolate? Maybe I should wrap it in aluminum foil! The noise floor has increased around here in the past couple years. Shortwave is suffering. I tried LW and I hear few beacons but lots of noise. MW has lots of noise between the stations that you know is across the band. Mike, you're right about air cleaners. My wife bought a couple (Sharper Image, Oreck) and they all get turned off when the radio is on. We got a Wii for Christmas and it needs to be unplugged! Just about everything that gets plugged in now is a noise generator. Martin Foltz Mission Viejo CA > Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 14:01:39 -0700 > From: Mike Hawkins > To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America > > Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise issue (What about the FCC?) > > I don't know that the FCC pays any attention to this anymore. > Considering > the RF noise that is generated by CFL lighting, fluorescent lighting > (across > the board), Sharper Image (and other electrostatic) air cleaners, I > think > the other cheek has been turned in unimaginable ways. I am currently > isolating a source of noise that starts every week day at 0400, and on > the > weekend at 0500 that I believe is coming from the new smart meters that > the > utility is using. Who knows what the result will be. > > On the house wiring topic specifically, the last house that I lived in > was a > electrical mess. I could not listen to AM radio inside the house, and > walked around with a battery-powered Grundig to home in on the noise > source. The main electrical panel was markedly warm. I called the > utility, > and they said there was strong arcing inside, but it was the > responsibility > of the owner. The owner didn't care at all, because he hoped it would > burn > and he could use insurance money to put up a custom home on the huge > lot. > If the noise is coming from the house, you might be stuck, If its > wiring > going to the house, the utility may have responsibility to repair it. > > Mike Hawkins ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] noise issue update
My neighbor was gone today, so I went over with a portable and unplugged the light in the carport briefly and the noise was still there, so not that. I seem to remember that the previous owner has light dimmers and there could be one on. Again, just a guess. But I still do not know. But it is not the light in the carport. Patrick ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue (What about the FCC?)
I don't know that the FCC pays any attention to this anymore. Considering the RF noise that is generated by CFL lighting, fluorescent lighting (across the board), Sharper Image (and other electrostatic) air cleaners, I think the other cheek has been turned in unimaginable ways. I am currently isolating a source of noise that starts every week day at 0400, and on the weekend at 0500 that I believe is coming from the new smart meters that the utility is using. Who knows what the result will be. On the house wiring topic specifically, the last house that I lived in was a electrical mess. I could not listen to AM radio inside the house, and walked around with a battery-powered Grundig to home in on the noise source. The main electrical panel was markedly warm. I called the utility, and they said there was strong arcing inside, but it was the responsibility of the owner. The owner didn't care at all, because he hoped it would burn and he could use insurance money to put up a custom home on the huge lot. If the noise is coming from the house, you might be stuck, If its wiring going to the house, the utility may have responsibility to repair it. Mike Hawkins On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 12:24 PM, BARRY DAVIES < barry.davie...@btopenworld.com> wrote: > Doesn't the FCC come in to the picture? I see the odd bit of gear from the > USA with some kind of "meets FCC standard XYZetc." message on the box. Last > year I had a pulse from an electric fence. It went after a couple of months. > I do hope it's a faulty piece of gear at your neighbours house which will go > kaput before the new season starts in the fall hi! > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > Barry :-) > > --- On Sun, 26/6/11, Patrick Martin wrote: > > > From: Patrick Martin > Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise issue > To: "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America" < > irca@hard-core-dx.com>, a...@nrcdxas.org > Cc: "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America" < > irca@hard-core-dx.com> > Date: Sunday, 26 June, 2011, 16:05 > > > > > The issue is the houses are close on my West side and it radiates right > into my house wiring. Oh yes, matching transformers, isolation > transformers. Infact I tried running the R8 off 12v last night and the > noise was just as loud. If I cut the main power to the house, the noise > goes down. I hate to think I will have to DX that way the rest of my > life. > > Patrick > > Patrick Martin > Seaside OR > KGED QSL Manager > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue (What about the FCC?)
Doesn't the FCC come in to the picture? I see the odd bit of gear from the USA with some kind of "meets FCC standard XYZetc." message on the box. Last year I had a pulse from an electric fence. It went after a couple of months. I do hope it's a faulty piece of gear at your neighbours house which will go kaput before the new season starts in the fall hi! Best wishes Barry :-) --- On Sun, 26/6/11, Patrick Martin wrote: From: Patrick Martin Subject: Re: [IRCA] noise issue To: "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America" , a...@nrcdxas.org Cc: "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America" Date: Sunday, 26 June, 2011, 16:05 The issue is the houses are close on my West side and it radiates right into my house wiring. Oh yes, matching transformers, isolation transformers. Infact I tried running the R8 off 12v last night and the noise was just as loud. If I cut the main power to the house, the noise goes down. I hate to think I will have to DX that way the rest of my life. Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise issue
The issue is the houses are close on my West side and it radiates right into my house wiring. Oh yes, matching transformers, isolation transformers. Infact I tried running the R8 off 12v last night and the noise was just as loud. If I cut the main power to the house, the noise goes down. I hate to think I will have to DX that way the rest of my life. Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones
Bill, I went to Portland and tryed out several different models AT, Sony, and the Bose quiet 15. To me the Bose won hands down. It was a long day and a while ago, I was testing them and had them plugged into the Super Radio and the noise cancelling on laying down on the bed. It was so relaxing, I about fell asleep. After a while I did not even notice I was wearing the phones. Spendy at $300, but they work better than I thought. I can sit in front of the TV with the volume at room level and I put on the phones and I can barely hear it. I have good hearing too. The test in Best Buy was a loud wind sound, like on the beach and the phones took out at least 95% of it and it was louder than our winds from in the house. The comfort of the Bose phones is fantastic. I am very pleased. I thank everyone for their advice 73, Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones
Hi,If money is no problem, you can get noise cancelling headphones from aircraft operations accessory supply shops or maybe at your local airport flying club pilot shop. I can't remember any brand but I do remember that they cost about a grand,but work very well to cancel out the drone of an aircraft engine for easy two way com.Bill in BC ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones OT
Thanks Guy. I am not fond of phones for DXing. I do use them to dig out an ID from a CD or tape, but I rarely use them while DXing. The only exception is during a DX test to make out morse code. What I need more than Hi Fi, is the ability to knock out the wind noise completely. It is not loud like being next to the shore or a crying baby, but loud enough to bug me when I am trying to sleep. I know wearing headphones and sleeping might be a task, but at least it will knock out the noise an I can rest. Like the other night we had wind gusts 70-75 MPH that came up at 3 AM. Woke me up. I got up and stayed up until 7 AM and went back to bed when the gusts died down below 60 or so. As I get older the high winds bug me more. i am not alone in that either. Many neighbors older than I am (I'm 62), get bugged. The lights are on all over the neighborhood during the high winds. Other than that I love I coast. I always have. A good set of phones that cuts out the noise can be used to DX with or even watching TV too. It will keep me BP down too. Thanks again. I'll check out the ANC7's. Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones OT
You cannot beat the Bose for comfort and sound Patrick, though I prefer the OE2 version myself. I have teacher's HF roll-off I fear, and my hearing is not as acute as it used to be. Look also though for the Audio-Technica ATH-ANC7 -- NOT the 7B's. Guy Atkins wrote about these and I found a pair in as new condition on eBay for about $100. Switching on the NC really punches the audio and the effect is major for me. Later versions are well-received but this particular model really is special. Not quite as comfortable but great for DX are the Sennheisser PXC-250's. I had to equip the whole family for a trip to NZ via the Long Path (Hong Kong) 3 years ago Tony (VE3NO) ComputerViz, NYAA Starfest tonyw...@rogers.com http://www.nyaa.ca Procrastinate Now! From: Patrick Martin To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:00:25 PM Subject: Re: [IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones OT I called BestBuy Walt, and they have pair called Bose Comfort 15 for $300 and the are highly rated and claim you can sit next to a crying baby on a fight and not hear anything. They get a rating of 4.8 ot of 5. Bose is highly rated I know. $300 is better than putting up with a racket. It is the old story, you get what you pay for. Thanks. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones OT
Hi Patrick, When I had my Perseus SDR blog up and running, a number of us had input about the Audio Technica ATH-ANC7 noise cancelling headphones. This is a highly rated model like the Bose, but for about half the price. On reviews such as on Amazon.com, many think they sound just as good as the BOSE. I have a pair and like them a lot, and find the noise reduction is excellent. I like the detachable cord so you can use the 'phones simply for reducing ambient noise, and not be bothered with the cord if you aren't listening to music. I also use the ATH-ANC7 while DXing, especially at the coast on DXpeditions due to the noise from crashing waves and wind. They really help me concentrate by knocking down a LOT of nature's QRM! They are at least as good as my pricey audiophile-grade headphones when it comes to reproducing nuances of DX audio in order help catch a difficult ID. (I'm NOT a DXer that likes "communications" headphones which restrict the audio frequencies; I prefer to shape the audio if needed through passband tuning and filter selection.) For DXing as well as for music listening, low distortion & wide frequency range headphones are my preference. I bought my pair of ATH-ANC7s on Ebay for about $90 in mint, used condition. Beware of a ATH-ANC7B, newer model... some people say it is not as good for DX audio. I have lots more detail on this particular headphones in my blog archive, which I can dig up if you are interested. 73, Guy Atkins Puyallup, WA ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones OT
Thank you Walt. I was reading about them and you are right, people love them. Much appreciated! Best Buy has them and the online price was the same $299.95. I wonder if you can use them to DX with? Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones OT
You'll love them, Patrick. I was blown away by how well they workWalt On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Patrick Martin wrote: > I called BestBuy Walt, and they have pair called Bose Comfort 15 for > $300 and the are highly rated and claim you can sit next to a crying > baby on a fight and not hear anything. They get a rating of 4.8 ot of 5. > Bose is highly rated I know. $300 is better than putting up with a > racket. It is the old story, you get what you pay for. Thanks. > > 73, > > Patrick > > Patrick Martin > Seaside OR > KGED QSL Manager > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the > original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the > IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones OT
I called BestBuy Walt, and they have pair called Bose Comfort 15 for $300 and the are highly rated and claim you can sit next to a crying baby on a fight and not hear anything. They get a rating of 4.8 ot of 5. Bose is highly rated I know. $300 is better than putting up with a racket. It is the old story, you get what you pay for. Thanks. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones OT
Patrick, I have used many of them. The Bose $300 or so are superb (my wife has a pair for flights). I use the Bose Aviation headphones when I fly (I'm a pilot), but their around $1k. The cheap ones are just thathelp a bit, but mostly aren't worth much. Walt - Original Message - From: mwd...@webtv.net (Patrick Martin) Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011 0:37 Subject: [IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones OT To: irca@hard-core-dx.com, a...@nrcdxas.org > As many of you know, I live in a very windy area on the Northern > Oregoncoast. Often the high winds will wake me up in the midde > of the night > and I cannot get back to sleep. I tried ear plugs and other > things, but > being a DXer with acute hearing doesn't help. hi. A friend suggested > Noice Cancelling phones, but knew little about them and how they work. > Does anyone know anything about them and what brands I can look > at? I > checked with BestBuy in Portland. They have Sony's for $45 all > the way > up to Bose for $300. Any suggestions? Thanks. > > 73, > > Patrick > > Patrick Martin > Seaside OR > KGED QSL Manager > > ___ > IRCA mailing list > IRCA@hard-core-dx.com > http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > > Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of > the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the > opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers > > For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > > To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] Noise Cancelling Headphones OT
As many of you know, I live in a very windy area on the Northern Oregon coast. Often the high winds will wake me up in the midde of the night and I cannot get back to sleep. I tried ear plugs and other things, but being a DXer with acute hearing doesn't help. hi. A friend suggested Noice Cancelling phones, but knew little about them and how they work. Does anyone know anything about them and what brands I can look at? I checked with BestBuy in Portland. They have Sony's for $45 all the way up to Bose for $300. Any suggestions? Thanks. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin Seaside OR KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise cancelling headphones
Sure, I can see that there are exceptions. I have the Bose aviation noise cancelling headphones that I LOVE while I fly ($1000+). They are superb. I have tried lots of others with different levels of success. In Colin's case, he needs to be able to eliminate the surf sound. One option is to use the tight headphones worn by race car enthusiasts/pit crew. They virtually totally eliminate any extraneous noise when worn, but are passive, of course, and not active. You don't seem to lose any frequency response with these, compared to the active variety. I have a pair of these that are in fact up in Masset now, and are used primarily during my DXing sessions there. My wife hates them, as I don't hear a thing around me, including calls for dinner, etc! Mostly, my experience is that you get what you pay for with active noise cancelling headphones (the Bose variety Steve mentioned are superb...my wife has a pair of those), whereas the $20 or $30 variety barely do much of an! ything...Walt At 08:26 AM 10/28/2009, you wrote: >> I've never found noise cancelling headphones of much use for DXing. They >> take out a portion of the frequency response and make DXing more >> difficultWalt > >When you are DXing next to thundering surf they sure as heck are... > >Now when you are snug in your cabin with your feet next to the fire >playing with your perseus, nose reduction is not so important. > >You can spent a little or a lot for NC Headphones. >Mine are Maxell's for $50 and they offer little in the way >of actual noise reduction. >Where they shine is on airplanes, trains and industrial areas. > >Walt is right - for most DX applications, they do take something >away. >-- >.. >Colin Newell - Editor - CoffeeCrew DOT Com --- >Victoria, British Columbia - Blog - Coffee DOT BC DOT CA >DXer DOT CA and Bob Harris DOT Com >-- > >___ >IRCA mailing list >IRCA@hard-core-dx.com >http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > >Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original >contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its >editors, publishing staff, or officers > >For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > >To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.36/2465 - Release Date: 10/28/09 >09:34:00 ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise cancelling headphones
I'm impressed by Able Planet's Clear Harmony product: www.ableplanet.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=38. The noise cancellation is okay, but the LINX Audio is superb in terms of being able to pick up on nuances of speech without turning up the volume. I did a story on LINX a few years ago -- www.proavmagazine.com/industry-news-print.asp?sectionID=0&articleID=666144 -- and it really does work. The list price of $300 is steep, but a few months ago, Tuesday Morning stores were selling them for about $100. ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise cancelling headphones
I use the Bose Quite Comfort headphones for DXing and love them. When I purchase the JRC NRD 545 I receive free JRC headphones. I also purchased the Heli noise cancelling headphones and was unhappy with them. The headphones separated from the head band. I have had the Bose for almost two years (Christmas present) and find them better than the two above headphones. I have some hearing loss and they seem to help when DXing. Dennis, Salmon Creek, WA ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] Noise cancelling headphones + Travel
> The Coby ones do have an on-off switch, for the noise cancellation > circuitry. I wonder if the frequency response in the "off" position, is > compromised, in the least? These are the ones I use -- http://www.maxellcanada.com/press_releases/2004/noise_cancel_headphones.html I have middle-aged ears with a definite roll off beyond 6 or 7 khz... so as far as the fidelity is concerned... who knows. What I do know is that "conversation" frequencies "sound" slightly warmer with the NC "on" - but that might be a result of how the "anti-noise" system works in the Maxell's - Most of the sound that I will be dealing with in Hawaii will be whatever the frequencies of "surf" are -- and a lot of that is subaudible -- and VERY loud... So we shall see. DXing last year with a modified E100 and Sony medium "cans" (not all ear encompassing) was fatiguing. Keep in mind that these are rather unusual dxing environs. If I take my Wellbrook ALA100M with some wire and cable I will be DXing in relative luxury (peace and quiet) The plan is: Carry a hard-case (not a Pelican) with me w/ -Eton E1 -Zoom MP3 recorder -Sony MD -Stock E100 -ALA100M + Power supply -Copy of my Amateur radio license & -Importation paperwork from Canadian Border Services and hope that Homeland warms up to me -- they generally do (I am ex-military, worked as civilian for Defense and am currently a civil servant who volunteers for some civil defense programs...) so I am pretty low on the threat to national security index. :-) I have debated this over and over again with various radio geeks and hams and the consensus appears to be: Traveling with radios? Carry them on. Checked ham gear, if fancy can be carted off my baggage handlers if insecure. I have nothing but praise for homeland and TSA - and have had nothing but gracious and professional treatment. -- .. Colin Newell - Editor - CoffeeCrew DOT Com --- Victoria, British Columbia - Blog - Coffee DOT BC DOT CA DXer DOT CA and Bob Harris DOT Com -- ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise cancelling headphones
I agree with both Walt and Colin. Not too good for DX but great in noisy offices and on airplanes. Walgreen's has Coby "bargain brand" noise cancelling headphones for $20 (USD). I got mine for $5. :) A clerk had apparently mismarked the rack where the headphones were, as 75% off clearance. I asked nicely to verify the price and the manager said, "it's supposed to be twenty but I'll sell you one for five." I told her "thanks." :) The Coby ones do have an on-off switch, for the noise cancellation circuitry. I wonder if the frequency response in the "off" position, is compromised, in the least? 73, Dave in Indy -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:26:12 -0700 From: c...@islandnet.com To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America Subject: Re: [IRCA] Noise cancelling headphones Message-ID: <4ae86294-5...@helpdesk.islandnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain > I've never found noise cancelling headphones of much use for DXing. They take out a portion of the frequency response and make DXing more difficultWalt When you are DXing next to thundering surf they sure as heck are... Now when you are snug in your cabin with your feet next to the fire playing with your perseus, nose reduction is not so important. You can spent a little or a lot for NC Headphones. Mine are Maxell's for $50 and they offer little in the way of actual noise reduction. Where they shine is on airplanes, trains and industrial areas. Walt is right - for most DX applications, they do take something away. -- .. Colin Newell - Editor - CoffeeCrew DOT Com --- Victoria, British Columbia - Blog - Coffee DOT BC DOT CA DXer DOT CA and Bob Harris DOT Com -- ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise cancelling headphones
> I've never found noise cancelling headphones of much use for DXing. They > take out a portion of the frequency response and make DXing more > difficultWalt When you are DXing next to thundering surf they sure as heck are... Now when you are snug in your cabin with your feet next to the fire playing with your perseus, nose reduction is not so important. You can spent a little or a lot for NC Headphones. Mine are Maxell's for $50 and they offer little in the way of actual noise reduction. Where they shine is on airplanes, trains and industrial areas. Walt is right - for most DX applications, they do take something away. -- .. Colin Newell - Editor - CoffeeCrew DOT Com --- Victoria, British Columbia - Blog - Coffee DOT BC DOT CA DXer DOT CA and Bob Harris DOT Com -- ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise cancelling headphones
I've never found noise cancelling headphones of much use for DXing. They take out a portion of the frequency response and make DXing more difficultWalt At 05:45 AM 10/28/2009, you wrote: >Hi Colin > >Which noise cancelling headphones do you use? (I'm working on my Christmas >Wish List.) > >Mark > >Mark Gerwlivch >Markham ON > > >On 10/28/09 1:24 AM, "c...@islandnet.com" wrote: > >> Just testing out the E1 with some noise canceling headphones >> which will come in handy as I am dxing from within 40 feet >> of the Hawaiian short starting a week Wednesday > >> Colin Newell - Editor - CoffeeCrew DOT Com --- >> Victoria, British Columbia - Blog - Coffee DOT BC DOT CA >> DXer DOT CA and Bob Harris DOT Com > > >___ >IRCA mailing list >IRCA@hard-core-dx.com >http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca > >Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original >contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its >editors, publishing staff, or officers > >For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org > >To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.34/2462 - Release Date: 10/27/09 >07:38:00 ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] noise levels in Japan
Nick & Dennis, Apparently Sonny who lives near Kobe must be in a noisy area then. Another friend who lives 100 km South of Seoul Korea says that area is very noisy also. Poor grounds for powerpoles and the like. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KGED QSL Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] noise levels in Japan
I'll verify Walt's comments about the old section of Kyoto (which is near downtown). It's all the more surprising, as electrical wiring would have been added later, and some of it looks a little, um, home made, but conditions were generally quiet. What might also be important, is that the old buildings are wooden, not ferro-concrete like much modern construction, so there's little attenuation to signals arriving to your ferrite loopstick, or the ALA100 draped around the window. In other parts of Japan, electrical noise didn't seem to be as big a problem as I've often experienced in hotels in North America, but we often stayed in older Japanese style accommodation there. Nick At 06:58 11/21/2008, you wrote: >At 10:52 PM 11/20/2008, you wrote: >>Dennis, >> >>According to one DXer who lives near Kobe, the overall noise level is so >>high in Japan that the NHK needs the high power to cover Japan. >>73, >> >>Patrick >> > >I suppose that's true in Tokyo. Even there, though, 810 AFN came in just >fine, and in KyotoI found it very quiet electrically staying in a Japanese >style hotel downtown. So, I suppose it's entirely dependent on >location...Walt. >PS: Nick has been in Japan several times, and for longer periods of time. He >might have a comment or two. > > >__ * Nick Hall-Patch Victoria, BC Canada ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise Canceling Headphones
Happy Thanksgiving everyone. May the DX test this weekend be heard coast to coast! 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Re: [IRCA] Noise Canceling Headphones
--- "Joe Miller, KJ8O" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello everyone and Happy Thanksgiving!!! > > > I get all kinds of e-mail in my in-box (sadly much > of > it is ignored) but one that caught my attention was > an > ad from www.buy.com for RCA HPNC250 Noise Canceling > Headphones > > Question: has any ever tried using these for DXing > and > do sufficiently blank noise making it easier to hear > the intended station. That's mpt what it does. It cancels NOISE in the room you are in. In other words you could not use those as on the air headphones. Powell POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] Noise Canceling Headphones
Hello everyone and Happy Thanksgiving!!! I get all kinds of e-mail in my in-box (sadly much of it is ignored) but one that caught my attention was an ad from www.buy.com for RCA HPNC250 Noise Canceling Headphones Question: has any ever tried using these for DXing and do sufficiently blank noise making it easier to hear the intended station. Supposedly, these sell for $60 but are now on-sale for $15 (not sure of shipping and handling though). 73 and take care, Joe Miller, KJ8O Troy, MI Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com
[IRCA] Noise levels
Greetings, I had a bit of time this morning as it is raining and not too busy. I thought I would check my noise level in the house with all the satellite equipment on and then off. I did not unplug anything as it is a pain to reset all the the clocks. But just turning them off and then on. One piece at a time. Using the matching transformers, good grounds, and RG6 coax to all of the antennas leading to the R8. To be totally honest, I could not tell any difference. None. The only thing the new 30 inch Toshiba TV set I bought "may" cause a bit of increased noise, but if it is, it is little at 15 feet from the R8 in the next room over from the den. Of course the TV set is off when I am DXing anyway. I have natual gas for heat and recently the gas company put in one of those transmitters on the meter so they can read in from the street, but I have not noticed any noise from it. I do get increased noise on a portable next to the light meter, but that has always been the case, but I don't notice anything on the receivers in the house using coax. However my neighbors TV sets seem to radiate to my Eastern beverage running // to their houses, but unless they all go to satellite TV from cable, the noise will be there. Some have, but one thing about cable TV, it does radiate noise where satellite TV doesn't. Now in checking the SW EWE going out in the pasture from the back of the house, my noise level on that is zero. The S meter is right at the bottom. It has always been my quietiest antenna and it still is quiet after 27 years of using it. I added my second ground rod at the end of the Eastern beverage the other night and it helped even a bit better for directivity and noise level. I especially notice it on groundwave during the day. But even with the low A&K, cx are not that great. Hopefully tonight I can get some bits of the NJ test on 1360. 73, Patrick Patrick Martin KAVT Reception Manager ___ IRCA mailing list IRCA@hard-core-dx.com http://montreal.kotalampi.com/mailman/listinfo/irca Opinions expressed in messages on this mailing list are those of the original contributors and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the IRCA, its editors, publishing staff, or officers For more information: http://www.ircaonline.org To Post a message: irca@hard-core-dx.com