RE: The Modello packages name must not contains underscore "_"

[Jones, Brian J]

Hi,

I've accepted the patches that remove the _ characters.  Should land in the 
image soon.

Thanks.

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From: IVI [mailto:ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org] On Behalf Of Dominig ar Foll
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To: ivi@lists.tizen.org
Subject: Re: The Modello packages name must not contains underscore "_"

Hello,

to be honest the "_" in Modello package names does not provide any value and 
creates problem.

So please rename those packages without the "_"

Regards

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Le 02/10/2014 17:40, Paul Hanchett a écrit :
> For project that has (needs) so much other work to be done, it seems
> counter-intuitive to make still more work for the development team.
>
> Is there a tactical or strategic benefit this change will produce?
>
> Paul
>
> Paul Hanchett
> The Oregon Business Coach
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> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:06 AM, VanCutsem, Geoffroy
> mailto:geoffroy.vancut...@intel.com>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: ronan [mailto:ronan.lemart...@open.eurogiciel.org
> <mailto:ronan.lemart...@open.eurogiciel.org>]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 9:11 AM
> > To: VanCutsem, Geoffroy; Manuel Bachmann
> > Cc: ivi@lists.tizen.org <mailto:ivi@lists.tizen.org>
> > Subject: Re: The Modello packages name must not contains
> underscore "_"
> >
> >
> > > I guess my question really was whether that meant that all these
> > > exceptions listed on that page [1] are by default packages
> that could
> > > never be included in any Yocto-based distribution?
> > >
> > If you take a pkg (eg:gstreamer-0_10)
> >
> > yocto call the recipes file:
> > gstreamer_0.10.36.bb <http://gstreamer_0.10.36.bb>
> >
> > for ${PN}_${PV}.bb
> >
> > PN: package name
> > PV: package version
> >
> > and when the rpm is generate, the file is named:
> > ${PN}-${PV}-${PR}.${ARCH}.rpm
> >
> > the underscore "_" is reserve by yocto for recipes name/version
> delimiter so :
> >   - Modello_Installer_git.bb mean => PN=Modello PV=Installer_git
> Thanks for this explanation, this helps me understand this better.
>
> How do you handle the wpa_supplicant case for example?
>
> >
> >
> > If you want a alignment between Tizen from OBS/yocto you need to
> have
> > the same package name.
> >
> > Modello_Installer should become Modello-Installer
> >
> > Consider the problem in an other view point:
> >   Does anyone have a justification to keep the actual Modello_*
> %name
> > for the rpm files generate?
> I don't, I have no issue with changing the name if it makes life
> easier for everyone.
>
> Thanks,
> Geoffroy
>
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Re: The Modello packages name must not contains underscore "_"

[Dominig ar Foll]

Hello,

to be honest the "_" in Modello package names does not provide any value
and creates problem.

So please rename those packages without the "_"

Regards

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Dominig ar Foll
Senior Software Architect
Intel Open Source Technology Centre



Le 02/10/2014 17:40, Paul Hanchett a écrit :
> For project that has (needs) so much other work to be done, it seems
> counter-intuitive to make still more work for the development team.
>
> Is there a tactical or strategic benefit this change will produce?
>
> Paul
>
> Paul Hanchett
> The Oregon Business Coach
> http://oregonbusinesscoach.com <http://oregonbusinesscoach.net>
> ---
> mailto://paul.hanch...@gmail.com <mailto:paul.hanch...@gmail.com>
> (503) 502-9989
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:06 AM, VanCutsem, Geoffroy
> mailto:geoffroy.vancut...@intel.com>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: ronan [mailto:ronan.lemart...@open.eurogiciel.org
> <mailto:ronan.lemart...@open.eurogiciel.org>]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 9:11 AM
>     > To: VanCutsem, Geoffroy; Manuel Bachmann
> > Cc: ivi@lists.tizen.org <mailto:ivi@lists.tizen.org>
> > Subject: Re: The Modello packages name must not contains
> underscore "_"
> >
> >
> > > I guess my question really was whether that meant that all these
> > > exceptions listed on that page [1] are by default packages
> that could
> > > never be included in any Yocto-based distribution?
> > >
> > If you take a pkg (eg:gstreamer-0_10)
> >
> > yocto call the recipes file:
> > gstreamer_0.10.36.bb <http://gstreamer_0.10.36.bb>
> >
> > for ${PN}_${PV}.bb
> >
> > PN: package name
> > PV: package version
> >
> > and when the rpm is generate, the file is named:
> > ${PN}-${PV}-${PR}.${ARCH}.rpm
> >
> > the underscore "_" is reserve by yocto for recipes name/version
> delimiter so :
> >   - Modello_Installer_git.bb mean => PN=Modello PV=Installer_git
> Thanks for this explanation, this helps me understand this better.
>
> How do you handle the wpa_supplicant case for example?
>
> >
> >
> > If you want a alignment between Tizen from OBS/yocto you need to
> have
> > the same package name.
> >
> > Modello_Installer should become Modello-Installer
> >
> > Consider the problem in an other view point:
> >   Does anyone have a justification to keep the actual Modello_*
> %name
> > for the rpm files generate?
> I don't, I have no issue with changing the name if it makes life
> easier for everyone.
>
> Thanks,
> Geoffroy
>
> Intel Corporation NV/SA
> Kings Square, Veldkant 31
> 2550 Kontich
> RPM (Bruxelles) 0415.497.718.
> Citibank, Brussels, account 570/1031255/09
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Re: The Modello packages name must not contains underscore "_"

[Paul Hanchett]

For project that has (needs) so much other work to be done, it seems
counter-intuitive to make still more work for the development team.

Is there a tactical or strategic benefit this change will produce?

Paul

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On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:06 AM, VanCutsem, Geoffroy <
geoffroy.vancut...@intel.com> wrote:

>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: ronan [mailto:ronan.lemart...@open.eurogiciel.org]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 9:11 AM
> > To: VanCutsem, Geoffroy; Manuel Bachmann
> > Cc: ivi@lists.tizen.org
> > Subject: Re: The Modello packages name must not contains underscore "_"
> >
> >
> > > I guess my question really was whether that meant that all these
> > > exceptions listed on that page [1] are by default packages that could
> > > never be included in any Yocto-based distribution?
> > >
> > If you take a pkg (eg:gstreamer-0_10)
> >
> > yocto call the recipes file:
> > gstreamer_0.10.36.bb
> >
> > for ${PN}_${PV}.bb
> >
> > PN: package name
> > PV: package version
> >
> > and when the rpm is generate, the file is named:
> > ${PN}-${PV}-${PR}.${ARCH}.rpm
> >
> > the underscore "_" is reserve by yocto for recipes name/version
> delimiter so :
> >   - Modello_Installer_git.bb mean => PN=Modello PV=Installer_git
> Thanks for this explanation, this helps me understand this better.
>
> How do you handle the wpa_supplicant case for example?
>
> >
> >
> > If you want a alignment between Tizen from OBS/yocto you need to have
> > the same package name.
> >
> > Modello_Installer should become Modello-Installer
> >
> > Consider the problem in an other view point:
> >   Does anyone have a justification to keep the actual Modello_* %name
> > for the rpm files generate?
> I don't, I have no issue with changing the name if it makes life easier
> for everyone.
>
> Thanks,
> Geoffroy
>
> Intel Corporation NV/SA
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> 2550 Kontich
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> Citibank, Brussels, account 570/1031255/09
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RE: The Modello packages name must not contains underscore "_"

[VanCutsem, Geoffroy]

> -Original Message-
> From: IVI [mailto:ivi-boun...@lists.tizen.org] On Behalf Of ronan
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:07 PM
> Cc: ivi@lists.tizen.org
> Subject: Re: The Modello packages name must not contains underscore "_"
> 
> 
> > Currently, we don't use the wpa_supplicant package:
> I'm mean, we don't use the wpa_supplicant package from Tizen, but from
> yocto "wpa-supplicant"
Yep, I saw that in your list. Thanks!
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Re: The Modello packages name must not contains underscore "_"

[ronan]

Currently, we don't use the wpa_supplicant package:
I'm mean, we don't use the wpa_supplicant package from Tizen, but from 
yocto "wpa-supplicant"

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Re: The Modello packages name must not contains underscore "_"

[ronan]

How do you handle the wpa_supplicant case for example?





Currently, we don't use the wpa_supplicant package:

Current package list:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiN0rVNGA72PdDhDNjVyeThvX2dkMkFUSEhvNWZKR2c&usp=sharing
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RE: The Modello packages name must not contains underscore "_"

[VanCutsem, Geoffroy]

> -Original Message-
> From: ronan [mailto:ronan.lemart...@open.eurogiciel.org]
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 9:11 AM
> To: VanCutsem, Geoffroy; Manuel Bachmann
> Cc: ivi@lists.tizen.org
> Subject: Re: The Modello packages name must not contains underscore "_"
> 
> 
> > I guess my question really was whether that meant that all these
> > exceptions listed on that page [1] are by default packages that could
> > never be included in any Yocto-based distribution?
> >
> If you take a pkg (eg:gstreamer-0_10)
> 
> yocto call the recipes file:
> gstreamer_0.10.36.bb
> 
> for ${PN}_${PV}.bb
> 
> PN: package name
> PV: package version
> 
> and when the rpm is generate, the file is named:
> ${PN}-${PV}-${PR}.${ARCH}.rpm
> 
> the underscore "_" is reserve by yocto for recipes name/version delimiter so :
>   - Modello_Installer_git.bb mean => PN=Modello PV=Installer_git
Thanks for this explanation, this helps me understand this better.

How do you handle the wpa_supplicant case for example?

> 
> 
> If you want a alignment between Tizen from OBS/yocto you need to have
> the same package name.
> 
> Modello_Installer should become Modello-Installer
> 
> Consider the problem in an other view point:
>   Does anyone have a justification to keep the actual Modello_* %name
> for the rpm files generate?
I don't, I have no issue with changing the name if it makes life easier for 
everyone.

Thanks,
Geoffroy

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Kings Square, Veldkant 31
2550 Kontich
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Re: The Modello packages name must not contains underscore "_"

[ronan]

Le 02/10/2014 09:42, Pete Popov a écrit :

Hi Ronan,

May I ask the background of your effort - why are you porting Tizen to Yocto? 
It’s great work you’re doing for sure. I assume you will push all recipes 
upstream to the Yocto project?

Thanks,

Pete


Yes Tizen on Yocto is public (meta-tizen):
- http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/layers/

Currently the project status: work in progress.

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Re: The Modello packages name must not contains underscore "_"

[ronan]

I guess my question really was whether that meant that all these
exceptions listed on that page [1] are by default packages that could
never be included in any Yocto-based distribution?


If you take a pkg (eg:gstreamer-0_10)

yocto call the recipes file:
gstreamer_0.10.36.bb

for ${PN}_${PV}.bb

PN: package name
PV: package version

and when the rpm is generate, the file is named:
${PN}-${PV}-${PR}.${ARCH}.rpm

the underscore "_" is reserve by yocto for recipes name/version 
delimiter so :

 - Modello_Installer_git.bb mean => PN=Modello PV=Installer_git


If you want a alignment between Tizen from OBS/yocto you need to have 
the same package name.


Modello_Installer should become Modello-Installer

Consider the problem in an other view point:
 Does anyone have a justification to keep the actual Modello_* %name 
for the rpm files generate?



Regards,
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RE: The Modello packages name must not contains underscore "_"

[VanCutsem, Geoffroy]

From: Manuel Bachmann [mailto:manuel.bachm...@open.eurogiciel.org]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 6:16 PM
To: VanCutsem, Geoffroy
Cc: ronan; ivi@lists.tizen.org
Subject: Re: The Modello packages name must not contains underscore "_"

Hi Geoffroy,

Yes, that is the issue : It cannot build.

I guess my question really was whether that meant that all these exceptions 
listed on that page [1] are by default packages that could never be included in 
any Yocto-based distribution?

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines#Separators
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RE: The Modello packages name must not contains underscore "_"

[VanCutsem, Geoffroy]

> -Original Message-
> Yocto do NOT support the underscore "_" in package name.
> And we want to build Tizen with Yocto .
Out of curiosity, does that mean that Yocto just *cannot* build any of these?

Cheers,
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Re: The Modello packages name must not contains underscore "_"

[Manuel Bachmann]

Hi Geoffroy,

Yes, that is the issue : It cannot build.

2014-10-01 18:12 GMT+02:00 VanCutsem, Geoffroy :

>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > Yocto do NOT support the underscore "_" in package name.
> > And we want to build Tizen with Yocto .
> Out of curiosity, does that mean that Yocto just *cannot* build any of
> these?
>
> Cheers,
> Geoffroy
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Re: The Modello packages name must not contains underscore "_"

[ronan]

Le 01/10/2014 17:23, Paul Hanchett a écrit :

Must not or should not?


We must change the name
> Yocto do not support underscore "_" in the package name.
>
> We must change the packages name for all Modello packges

>The document you reference mentions that
> underscore is actually /required/ in some circumstances...

The document say
1) "The maintainer must NOT use an underscore ... as a delimiter."
2) "There are a few exceptions to the no underscore '_' rule."

Modello packages  have no justification for using underscore in the 
middle of the package name.


what ever:
Yocto do NOT support the underscore "_" in package name.
And we want to build Tizen with Yocto .

The review is done, just waiting for +2 merge, and change anything for 
Tizen:IVI


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Re: The Modello packages name must not contains underscore "_"

[Paul Hanchett]

Must not or should not?  The document you reference mentions that
underscore is actually *required* in some circumstances...

Paul

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On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:59 AM, ronan 
wrote:

> hi all,
> currently we are working on porting Tizen on Yocto.
>
> 1)
> Yocto do not support underscore "_" in the package name.
>
> We must change the packages name for all Modello packges
>
> 2)
> "_" in a package name is not rpm friendly.
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines#General_Naming
>
> ___
>
> Jira:
> Bug-Tizen: TC-1686
>
> Review:
> Modello_Installer https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/25098
> Modello_Multimediaplayer https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/28130
> Modello_Nav https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/28131
> Modello_Phone https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/28132
> Modello_SDL https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/28133
> Modello_Homescreen https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/27746
> Modello_AMBSimulator https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/27944
> Modello_Common https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/27945
> Modello_Appmanager https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/28002
> Modello_Dashboard https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/28128
> Modello_Hvac https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/28237
>
> meta-ivi https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/28277
>
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The Modello packages name must not contains underscore "_"

[ronan]

hi all,
currently we are working on porting Tizen on Yocto.

1)
Yocto do not support underscore "_" in the package name.

We must change the packages name for all Modello packges

2)
"_" in a package name is not rpm friendly.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines#General_Naming

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Jira:
Bug-Tizen: TC-1686

Review:
Modello_Installer https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/25098
Modello_Multimediaplayer https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/28130
Modello_Nav https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/28131
Modello_Phone https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/28132
Modello_SDL https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/28133
Modello_Homescreen https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/27746
Modello_AMBSimulator https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/27944
Modello_Common https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/27945
Modello_Appmanager https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/28002
Modello_Dashboard https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/28128
Modello_Hvac https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/28237

meta-ivi https://review.tizen.org/gerrit/28277

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