Re: [JAWS-Users] making JAWS sing?
I have a feeling you are right. If I want to hear something sing, I will listen to my music collection. LOL. Kim Kelly Clarkston Washington you can also find me on facebook. You can also visit Our new Web Site http://www.samobile.net/users/richandconchita/ - Original Message - From: "Donald Marang" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] making JAWS sing? And in the early 80's, we spent an incredible amount of time attempting to make printers sing. Interesting, but not very soothing. Don Marang -- From: "Kim Kelly" Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:45 AM To: Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] making JAWS sing? Gee, Jaws Singing? That is a new one. That would be fun for a laugh. Kim Kelly Clarkston Washington you can also find me on facebook. You can also visit Our new Web Site http://www.samobile.net/users/richandconchita/ - Original Message - From: "Victoria Vaughan" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] making JAWS sing? Way back when Jaws used the Dec Talk Express, I remember it was able to sing several songs. It could even warble on certen notes. I remember 1 of the songs was Moonlight over Vermont, that name might be wrong, but close enough. It was sooo qute on the warble! It would be fun, but sertenly not productive. May be Dancing Dots could make use of the singing screen reader for its Lime Aloud Braille music program? Vicky - Original Message - From: "Zach, Apex Edition" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:57 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] making JAWS sing? Hi, I was reading mail on the NVDA list about making NVDA sing. So I was wondering, can one make JAWS sing? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] making JAWS sing?
And in the early 80's, we spent an incredible amount of time attempting to make printers sing. Interesting, but not very soothing. Don Marang -- From: "Kim Kelly" Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:45 AM To: Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] making JAWS sing? Gee, Jaws Singing? That is a new one. That would be fun for a laugh. Kim Kelly Clarkston Washington you can also find me on facebook. You can also visit Our new Web Site http://www.samobile.net/users/richandconchita/ - Original Message - From: "Victoria Vaughan" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] making JAWS sing? Way back when Jaws used the Dec Talk Express, I remember it was able to sing several songs. It could even warble on certen notes. I remember 1 of the songs was Moonlight over Vermont, that name might be wrong, but close enough. It was sooo qute on the warble! It would be fun, but sertenly not productive. May be Dancing Dots could make use of the singing screen reader for its Lime Aloud Braille music program? Vicky - Original Message - From: "Zach, Apex Edition" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:57 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] making JAWS sing? Hi, I was reading mail on the NVDA list about making NVDA sing. So I was wondering, can one make JAWS sing? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] making JAWS sing?
Gee, Jaws Singing? That is a new one. That would be fun for a laugh. Kim Kelly Clarkston Washington you can also find me on facebook. You can also visit Our new Web Site http://www.samobile.net/users/richandconchita/ - Original Message - From: "Victoria Vaughan" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] making JAWS sing? Way back when Jaws used the Dec Talk Express, I remember it was able to sing several songs. It could even warble on certen notes. I remember 1 of the songs was Moonlight over Vermont, that name might be wrong, but close enough. It was sooo qute on the warble! It would be fun, but sertenly not productive. May be Dancing Dots could make use of the singing screen reader for its Lime Aloud Braille music program? Vicky - Original Message - From: "Zach, Apex Edition" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:57 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] making JAWS sing? Hi, I was reading mail on the NVDA list about making NVDA sing. So I was wondering, can one make JAWS sing? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] making JAWS sing?
Way back when Jaws used the Dec Talk Express, I remember it was able to sing several songs. It could even warble on certen notes. I remember 1 of the songs was Moonlight over Vermont, that name might be wrong, but close enough. It was sooo qute on the warble! It would be fun, but sertenly not productive. May be Dancing Dots could make use of the singing screen reader for its Lime Aloud Braille music program? Vicky - Original Message - From: "Zach, Apex Edition" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:57 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] making JAWS sing? Hi, I was reading mail on the NVDA list about making NVDA sing. So I was wondering, can one make JAWS sing? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] making JAWS sing?
Hi, I was reading mail on the NVDA list about making NVDA sing. So I was wondering, can one make JAWS sing? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] rules in window 7
Patty, I looked through the rest of the messages to make sure that someone hadn't satisfactorily answered your question. 1. Type Alt T for the Tools menu: 2. Locate Rules and press enter. It might be called message rules. If you confirm that you want rules for e-mail, there should be a list. If you line up on that particular rule, then you can tab to Remove and press enter. That should work Patty. Let us know if I missed something. John Justice -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Patti Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 5:21 PM To: Jaws Subject: [JAWS-Users] rules in window 7 HeyGang, I have windows 7, jaws 11, outlook, and IE 8. How do you delete a message rule. I can't figure out how to get to the list of rules. Thanks Patti Peoria Blind Center www.peoriablindcenter.org Here is the name of the group on facebook: PeoriArea Blind People's Center. Your friends on facebook are going to have to get on their facebook account and search for the group's name to join, or to see what we are about. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] cursor
Hi Mo, No, I was just curious that's all. I saw another question elsewhere and wanted to get verification of how to do so. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:57 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] cursor Hi. as in my previous message, insert Z will do this. do you want the change to be permanent? Mo. Kimsan wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry I meant to say virtual pc cursor, how does one turn that off? > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] rules in window 7
Hi Patty: Try the following. 1. alt t for tools 2. L for the email and alerts dialog 3. tab to where it will say move down button and press spacebar or enter and the list of rules should be displayed and press your delete key on the one you'd like to delete, click apply and then ok. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Patti Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:21 PM To: Jaws Subject: [JAWS-Users] rules in window 7 HeyGang, I have windows 7, jaws 11, outlook, and IE 8. How do you delete a message rule. I can't figure out how to get to the list of rules. Thanks Patti Peoria Blind Center www.peoriablindcenter.org Here is the name of the group on facebook: PeoriArea Blind People's Center. Your friends on facebook are going to have to get on their facebook account and search for the group's name to join, or to see what we are about. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Problem with latest Jaws in windows live mail when arrowing through messages with alt left arrow
Hi I agree there is still something wrong with Jaws 11 and Live Mail, my main problem at the moment is that it opens the message below the one I am focused on. I really cannot understand why FS have not got this working properly and i am sure they are well aware of all the problems with it. I wish they would either fix it or tell us they can do nothing with it. Lets face it there are not that many other email option out there and i dont particularly want to purchase Outlook for the amount of emailing I do. Graham At 03:28 PM 26/05/2010, you wrote: Hello everyone, I'll try and keep this nice and simple. Basicly if you read the subjectline it basicly says it all. Have anyone notice this lately in the latest version of Jaws. I thought all my problems were gone when I got the latest update of Jaws 11 this month. lol I can prove this because when I am checking my mailing lists what I do is hit enter on the bottom of the unread message then jaws says from then the subject then goes on to read how many links in the email then would normally read the text of the message. But every now and then jaws finds a message and for some weird reason won't read the body of the message. After this I tryed using NVDA and it red the message that jaws was unable to read. So don't know what's going on there. Have anyone else notice this issue with live mail? Using latest build of jaws 11 and the windows live mail 2009 version. Hope to hear some comments soon. Thanks Daniel For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] rules in window 7
Yes RJ, I did that, but there is no list of the rules that I made. I can't find that list. Patti Try this. Open window mail Go to tools click on message rules. Follow the prompts. Believe you use the tab key to move around in that area. RJ - Original Message - From: "Patti" To: "Jaws" Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 17:21 Subject: [JAWS-Users] rules in window 7 HeyGang, I have windows 7, jaws 11, outlook, and IE 8. How do you delete a message rule. I can't figure out how to get to the list of rules. Thanks Patti Peoria Blind Center www.peoriablindcenter.org Here is the name of the group on facebook: PeoriArea Blind People's Center. Your friends on facebook are going to have to get on their facebook account and search for the group's name to join, or to see what we are about. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] rules in window 7
Try this. Open window mail Go to tools click on message rules. Follow the prompts. Believe you use the tab key to move around in that area. RJ - Original Message - From: "Patti" To: "Jaws" Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 17:21 Subject: [JAWS-Users] rules in window 7 HeyGang, I have windows 7, jaws 11, outlook, and IE 8. How do you delete a message rule. I can't figure out how to get to the list of rules. Thanks Patti Peoria Blind Center www.peoriablindcenter.org Here is the name of the group on facebook: PeoriArea Blind People's Center. Your friends on facebook are going to have to get on their facebook account and search for the group's name to join, or to see what we are about. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] rules in window 7
HeyGang, I have windows 7, jaws 11, outlook, and IE 8. How do you delete a message rule. I can't figure out how to get to the list of rules. Thanks Patti Peoria Blind Center www.peoriablindcenter.org Here is the name of the group on facebook: PeoriArea Blind People's Center. Your friends on facebook are going to have to get on their facebook account and search for the group's name to join, or to see what we are about. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] cursor
Hi. as in my previous message, insert Z will do this. do you want the change to be permanent? Mo. Kimsan wrote: Hi, Sorry I meant to say virtual pc cursor, how does one turn that off? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] How to Remove IE Max
Hi, I installed IE Max and now I'm getting the message, "error loading homer comm object". Since I can't figure out what the problem is, I'd like to remove it. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Jo - Original Message - From: "Kimsan" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] cursor question I was just asking how to do it. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Alan & Terrie Robbins Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:06 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] cursor question What is the benefit of doing this? Al -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]on Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:56 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] cursor question Hi. You can do this by pressing insert Z within the application in which you want to turn off the curser. the same action repeated will turn it back on. Mo. Kimsan wrote: Hi, How does one turn off the virtual cursor? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Problem with latest Jaws in windows live mail whenarrowing through messages with alt left arrow
I have noticed this, although it may not be specifically related to Live Mail; it seems to happen in other programs. I've found that if I tab around, I will eventually find a link or another field. If I hit control+home to get back to the top and then do say all, it reads fine. Somewhat clunky, but it works. Fortunately, this doesn't happen for me very often. Erin -- From: "Daniel McGee" Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:28 PM To: Subject: [JAWS-Users] Problem with latest Jaws in windows live mail whenarrowing through messages with alt left arrow Hello everyone, I'll try and keep this nice and simple. Basicly if you read the subjectline it basicly says it all. Have anyone notice this lately in the latest version of Jaws. I thought all my problems were gone when I got the latest update of Jaws 11 this month. lol I can prove this because when I am checking my mailing lists what I do is hit enter on the bottom of the unread message then jaws says from then the subject then goes on to read how many links in the email then would normally read the text of the message. But every now and then jaws finds a message and for some weird reason won't read the body of the message. After this I tryed using NVDA and it red the message that jaws was unable to read. So don't know what's going on there. Have anyone else notice this issue with live mail? Using latest build of jaws 11 and the windows live mail 2009 version. Hope to hear some comments soon. Thanks Daniel For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Problem with latest Jaws in windows live mail whenarrowing through messages with alt left arrow
I am not sure that it is a problem with live mail. Not often but occasionally when I open outlook express on a xp sp3 machine the message is not read. If I close the message and re-open everything is then read ok. This might happen once a week. Till now, I thought it was just my flaky computer. - Original Message - From: "Daniel McGee" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:28 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Problem with latest Jaws in windows live mail whenarrowing through messages with alt left arrow Hello everyone, I'll try and keep this nice and simple. Basicly if you read the subjectline it basicly says it all. Have anyone notice this lately in the latest version of Jaws. I thought all my problems were gone when I got the latest update of Jaws 11 this month. lol I can prove this because when I am checking my mailing lists what I do is hit enter on the bottom of the unread message then jaws says from then the subject then goes on to read how many links in the email then would normally read the text of the message. But every now and then jaws finds a message and for some weird reason won't read the body of the message. After this I tryed using NVDA and it red the message that jaws was unable to read. So don't know what's going on there. Have anyone else notice this issue with live mail? Using latest build of jaws 11 and the windows live mail 2009 version. Hope to hear some comments soon. Thanks Daniel For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5148 (20100526) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5148 (20100526) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Problem with latest Jaws in windows live mail when arrowing through messages with alt left arrow
Hello everyone, I'll try and keep this nice and simple. Basicly if you read the subjectline it basicly says it all. Have anyone notice this lately in the latest version of Jaws. I thought all my problems were gone when I got the latest update of Jaws 11 this month. lol I can prove this because when I am checking my mailing lists what I do is hit enter on the bottom of the unread message then jaws says from then the subject then goes on to read how many links in the email then would normally read the text of the message. But every now and then jaws finds a message and for some weird reason won't read the body of the message. After this I tryed using NVDA and it red the message that jaws was unable to read. So don't know what's going on there. Have anyone else notice this issue with live mail? Using latest build of jaws 11 and the windows live mail 2009 version. Hope to hear some comments soon. Thanks Daniel For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] cursor question
I was just asking how to do it. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Alan & Terrie Robbins Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:06 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] cursor question What is the benefit of doing this? Al -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]on Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:56 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] cursor question Hi. You can do this by pressing insert Z within the application in which you want to turn off the curser. the same action repeated will turn it back on. Mo. Kimsan wrote: > Hi, > > How does one turn off the virtual cursor? > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] cursor question
it will shut off that apps mode if you get stuck in there. never could figure what that was for. You don't need training to become a garbage collector. You just pick it up as you go along. - Original Message - From: "Alan & Terrie Robbins" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] cursor question What is the benefit of doing this? Al -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]on Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:56 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] cursor question Hi. You can do this by pressing insert Z within the application in which you want to turn off the curser. the same action repeated will turn it back on. Mo. Kimsan wrote: Hi, How does one turn off the virtual cursor? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help to Set up of Account in Thunderbird
Ok it's alt+t for tools, s to open the account settings dialogue box. Tab to account actions button and activate it. Now use the down arrow to interact with the strange context menu, which JAWS doesn't even call a menu. Anyway, down arrow to add new mail account and press enter. Follow the instructions that appears. Hope this helps. Mr IT Help Desk [HND] E-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 On 26/05/2010 18:27, Gopalakrishnan wrote: It is Thunderbird version: 3.0.4. Thanks - Original Message - From: "chris hallsworth" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help to Set up of Account in Thunderbird Is this Thunderbird 2 or 3? Mr IT Help Desk [HND] E-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 On 26/05/2010 17:21, Gopalakrishnan wrote: Hi Friends, I have created account in Thunderbird. I have added only one e mail address of mine at present. I want to add my other addresses also. How to add all my e mail addresses? Thanks in advance, Gopalakrishnan For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links
Well I've got a bit of news for you. Sighted people are running into a lot of these same problems. The innovative operating systems and web design are making computers that are on line only fit for kids of all ages to go in and catch a social disease. When you hook up a computer to the internet you got a problem. Jim - Original Message - From: "Albert Cutolo" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links > Hi Alan: > > As far as I'm concerned, If I had it to doo all over again, I don't think > that I would have ever bought a computer. Even though I have one now, I > can't in good conscience, say that itis a real joy for me. If anything, Its > becomingvery frustrating, and a real pain in the ass too use. I really only > use it forwriting and sending email, but as for going on the net, not the > way that I would really like too in the way that sighted people use it for. > I don't want too spend hours at a time every single dayjust too try and > master it. Even with all of the keyboard commandswhich are supposedtoo make > its use easier, we'll never be as fast as someone with vision. > - Original Message - > From: "Alan & Terrie Robbins" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:18 AM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links > > > > Albert, > > > > I couldn't agree more. Thanks for sharing your and probably > > most of ours frustration > > > > Al > > > > -Original Message- > > From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com > > [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]on Behalf Of > > Albert > > Cutolo > > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:32 AM > > To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com > > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links > > > > > > I'm probably going to open up a real can of worms here, but > > this goes back > > too something that I really think needs to be addressed. I > > have always felt > > that web designers, developers and programmers don't really > > adhere too the > > w3c standards for good web design when it comes to the > > proper labeling of > > graphics for persons that use screen readers. It may pass > > the test for the > > first time after the web site has been developed, But if > > the designers make > > changes too the web page over a series of months, then we as > > blind computer > > users are screwed. Just when the page works sufficiently > > for a blind person > > too navigate successfully, the page is no longer user > > friendly. Just look > > at what the frustration that this lady is going through just > > too be able too > > use the banks web site. It may look more visually appealing > > for the sighted > > user, but for the blind, or visually impaired person, it > > then becomes a real > > night mayer. > > > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list > > visit: > > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links
Enough folks please. Don't make me turn off the list for how ever long it would take to stop this thread. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: "Kimsan" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links Wow this has taken a life of its own. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:35 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links With all do respect to people's ability to use there computers, I very much wish that more of us blind people would have the guts to come out and own up with regards to our frustrationabout itsreal lack too ease of access, and not hide our heads in the sand and pretend that everythingis all wonderful about it. Perhaps if more of us did that, things would improve drastically. - Original Message - From: "Maria Campbell" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links My computer has made it possible for me to play, work and be a contributor to society. For that I am thankful, despite all frustrations encountered along the way. Sunny Day Maria Campbell lucky1i...@sbcglobal.net WHEN THE POWER OF LOVE IS STRONGER THAN THE LOVE OF POWER, THE WORLD WILL KNOW PEACE --JIMI HENDRIX. - Original Message - From: "Albert Cutolo" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links Hi Alan: As far as I'm concerned, If I had it to doo all over again, I don't think that I would have ever bought a computer. Even though I have one now, I can't in good conscience, say that itis a real joy for me. If anything, Its becomingvery frustrating, and a real pain in the ass too use. I really only use it forwriting and sending email, but as for going on the net, not the way that I would really like too in the way that sighted people use it for. I don't want too spend hours at a time every single dayjust too try and master it. Even with all of the keyboard commandswhich are supposedtoo make its use easier, we'll never be as fast as someone with vision. - Original Message - From: "Alan & Terrie Robbins" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links Albert, I couldn't agree more. Thanks for sharing your and probably most of ours frustration Al -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]on Behalf Of Albert Cutolo Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:32 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links I'm probably going to open up a real can of worms here, but this goes back too something that I really think needs to be addressed. I have always felt that web designers, developers and programmers don't really adhere too the w3c standards for good web design when it comes to the proper labeling of graphics for persons that use screen readers. It may pass the test for the first time after the web site has been developed, But if the designers make changes too the web page over a series of months, then we as blind computer users are screwed. Just when the page works sufficiently for a blind person too navigate successfully, the page is no longer user friendly. Just look at what the frustration that this lady is going through just too be able too use the banks web site. It may look more visually appealing for the sighted user, but for the blind, or visually impaired person, it then becomes a real night mayer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] cursor question
the virtual curser is used for navigating web pages. some people want to turn that feature off in some applications that don't use HTML but that use plain text for example. Mo. Alan & Terrie Robbins wrote: What is the benefit of doing this? Al -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]on Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:56 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] cursor question Hi. You can do this by pressing insert Z within the application in which you want to turn off the curser. the same action repeated will turn it back on. Mo. Kimsan wrote: Hi, How does one turn off the virtual cursor? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] cursor question
Insert jaws cursor. marilyn - Original Message - From: "Kimsan" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:53 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] cursor question : Hi, : : How does one turn off the virtual cursor? : : For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: : http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links
If this discussion can find it's way back to some direct relationship to Jaws, then it may continue, otherwise, bring it to an end, now! It is agreed that everyone experiences frustration with the internet while using a screen-reader, but this is not the forum for discussing such a general topic. Additionally, comments on how the discussion is going, serves no purpose. Richard Q. Justice-list moderator blind-comput...@jaws-users.com jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: "Albert Cutolo" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links With all do respect to people's ability to use there computers, I very much wish that more of us blind people would have the guts to come out and own up with regards to our frustrationabout itsreal lack too ease of access, and not hide our heads in the sand and pretend that everythingis all wonderful about it. Perhaps if more of us did that, things would improve drastically. - Original Message - From: "Maria Campbell" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links My computer has made it possible for me to play, work and be a contributor to society. For that I am thankful, despite all frustrations encountered along the way. Sunny Day Maria Campbell lucky1i...@sbcglobal.net WHEN THE POWER OF LOVE IS STRONGER THAN THE LOVE OF POWER, THE WORLD WILL KNOW PEACE --JIMI HENDRIX. - Original Message - From: "Albert Cutolo" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links Hi Alan: As far as I'm concerned, If I had it to doo all over again, I don't think that I would have ever bought a computer. Even though I have one now, I can't in good conscience, say that itis a real joy for me. If anything, Its becomingvery frustrating, and a real pain in the ass too use. I really only use it forwriting and sending email, but as for going on the net, not the way that I would really like too in the way that sighted people use it for. I don't want too spend hours at a time every single dayjust too try and master it. Even with all of the keyboard commandswhich are supposedtoo make its use easier, we'll never be as fast as someone with vision. - Original Message - From: "Alan & Terrie Robbins" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links Albert, I couldn't agree more. Thanks for sharing your and probably most of ours frustration Al -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]on Behalf Of Albert Cutolo Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:32 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links I'm probably going to open up a real can of worms here, but this goes back too something that I really think needs to be addressed. I have always felt that web designers, developers and programmers don't really adhere too the w3c standards for good web design when it comes to the proper labeling of graphics for persons that use screen readers. It may pass the test for the first time after the web site has been developed, But if the designers make changes too the web page over a series of months, then we as blind computer users are screwed. Just when the page works sufficiently for a blind person too navigate successfully, the page is no longer user friendly. Just look at what the frustration that this lady is going through just too be able too use the banks web site. It may look more visually appealing for the sighted user, but for the blind, or visually impaired person, it then becomes a real night mayer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help to Set up of Account in Thunderbird
It is Thunderbird version: 3.0.4. Thanks - Original Message - From: "chris hallsworth" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help to Set up of Account in Thunderbird Is this Thunderbird 2 or 3? Mr IT Help Desk [HND] E-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 On 26/05/2010 17:21, Gopalakrishnan wrote: Hi Friends, I have created account in Thunderbird. I have added only one e mail address of mine at present. I want to add my other addresses also. How to add all my e mail addresses? Thanks in advance, Gopalakrishnan For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] cursor question
What is the benefit of doing this? Al -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]on Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:56 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] cursor question Hi. You can do this by pressing insert Z within the application in which you want to turn off the curser. the same action repeated will turn it back on. Mo. Kimsan wrote: > Hi, > > How does one turn off the virtual cursor? > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help to Set up of Account in Thunderbird
Hello. You can add or remove accounts by going to the tools menu, then to account settings. Within the following dialogue, you will be able to edit account settings, add and remove accounts. I hope this helps. Mo. Gopalakrishnan wrote: Hi Friends, I have created account in Thunderbird. I have added only one e mail address of mine at present. I want to add my other addresses also. How to add all my e mail addresses? Thanks in advance, Gopalakrishnan For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] cursor question
I believe it's insert Z. Sunny Day Maria Campbell lucky1i...@sbcglobal.net WHEN THE POWER OF LOVE IS STRONGER THAN THE LOVE OF POWER, THE WORLD WILL KNOW PEACE --JIMI HENDRIX. - Original Message - From: "Kimsan" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:53 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] cursor question Hi, How does one turn off the virtual cursor? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links
Agreed but this really doesn't further the cause of this list. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: "Albert Cutolo" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links I'm probably going to open up a real can of worms here, but this goes back too something that I really think needs to be addressed. I have always felt that web designers, developers and programmers don't really adhere too the w3c standards for good web design when it comes to the proper labeling of graphics for persons that use screen readers. It may pass the test for the first time after the web site has been developed, But if the designers make changes too the web page over a series of months, then we as blind computer users are screwed. Just when the page works sufficiently for a blind person too navigate successfully, the page is no longer user friendly. Just look at what the frustration that this lady is going through just too be able too use the banks web site. It may look more visually appealing for the sighted user, but for the blind, or visually impaired person, it then becomes a real night mayer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] cursor question
Hi. You can do this by pressing insert Z within the application in which you want to turn off the curser. the same action repeated will turn it back on. Mo. Kimsan wrote: Hi, How does one turn off the virtual cursor? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Need Help to Set up of Account in Thunderbird
Is this Thunderbird 2 or 3? Mr IT Help Desk [HND] E-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 On 26/05/2010 17:21, Gopalakrishnan wrote: Hi Friends, I have created account in Thunderbird. I have added only one e mail address of mine at present. I want to add my other addresses also. How to add all my e mail addresses? Thanks in advance, Gopalakrishnan For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] cursor
Hi, Sorry I meant to say virtual pc cursor, how does one turn that off? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] cursor question
Hi, How does one turn off the virtual cursor? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Need Help to Set up of Account in Thunderbird
Hi Friends, I have created account in Thunderbird. I have added only one e mail address of mine at present. I want to add my other addresses also. How to add all my e mail addresses? Thanks in advance, Gopalakrishnan For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links
Wow this has taken a life of its own. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:35 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links With all do respect to people's ability to use there computers, I very much wish that more of us blind people would have the guts to come out and own up with regards to our frustrationabout itsreal lack too ease of access, and not hide our heads in the sand and pretend that everythingis all wonderful about it. Perhaps if more of us did that, things would improve drastically. - Original Message - From: "Maria Campbell" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links > My computer has made it possible for me to play, work and be a contributor > to society. For that I am thankful, despite all frustrations encountered > along the way. > > > Sunny Day > Maria Campbell > lucky1i...@sbcglobal.net > > WHEN THE POWER OF LOVE > IS STRONGER THAN > THE LOVE OF POWER, > THE WORLD WILL KNOW PEACE > --JIMI HENDRIX. > > - Original Message - > From: "Albert Cutolo" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:53 AM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links > > >> Hi Alan: >> >> As far as I'm concerned, If I had it to doo all over again, I don't think >> that I would have ever bought a computer. Even though I have one now, I >> can't in good conscience, say that itis a real joy for me. If anything, >> Its becomingvery frustrating, and a real pain in the ass too use. I >> really only use it forwriting and sending email, but as for going on the >> net, not the way that I would really like too in the way that sighted >> people use it for. I don't want too spend hours at a time every single >> dayjust too try and master it. Even with all of the keyboard >> commandswhich are supposedtoo make its use easier, we'll never be as fast >> as someone with vision. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Alan & Terrie Robbins" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:18 AM >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links >> >> >>> Albert, >>> >>> I couldn't agree more. Thanks for sharing your and probably >>> most of ours frustration >>> >>> Al >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com >>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]on Behalf Of >>> Albert >>> Cutolo >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:32 AM >>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links >>> >>> >>> I'm probably going to open up a real can of worms here, but >>> this goes back >>> too something that I really think needs to be addressed. I >>> have always felt >>> that web designers, developers and programmers don't really >>> adhere too the >>> w3c standards for good web design when it comes to the >>> proper labeling of >>> graphics for persons that use screen readers. It may pass >>> the test for the >>> first time after the web site has been developed, But if >>> the designers make >>> changes too the web page over a series of months, then we as >>> blind computer >>> users are screwed. Just when the page works sufficiently >>> for a blind person >>> too navigate successfully, the page is no longer user >>> friendly. Just look >>> at what the frustration that this lady is going through just >>> too be able too >>> use the banks web site. It may look more visually appealing >>> for the sighted >>> user, but for the blind, or visually impaired person, it >>> then becomes a real >>> night mayer. >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list >>> visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links
With all do respect to people's ability to use there computers, I very much wish that more of us blind people would have the guts to come out and own up with regards to our frustrationabout itsreal lack too ease of access, and not hide our heads in the sand and pretend that everythingis all wonderful about it. Perhaps if more of us did that, things would improve drastically. - Original Message - From: "Maria Campbell" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links My computer has made it possible for me to play, work and be a contributor to society. For that I am thankful, despite all frustrations encountered along the way. Sunny Day Maria Campbell lucky1i...@sbcglobal.net WHEN THE POWER OF LOVE IS STRONGER THAN THE LOVE OF POWER, THE WORLD WILL KNOW PEACE --JIMI HENDRIX. - Original Message - From: "Albert Cutolo" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links Hi Alan: As far as I'm concerned, If I had it to doo all over again, I don't think that I would have ever bought a computer. Even though I have one now, I can't in good conscience, say that itis a real joy for me. If anything, Its becomingvery frustrating, and a real pain in the ass too use. I really only use it forwriting and sending email, but as for going on the net, not the way that I would really like too in the way that sighted people use it for. I don't want too spend hours at a time every single dayjust too try and master it. Even with all of the keyboard commandswhich are supposedtoo make its use easier, we'll never be as fast as someone with vision. - Original Message - From: "Alan & Terrie Robbins" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links Albert, I couldn't agree more. Thanks for sharing your and probably most of ours frustration Al -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]on Behalf Of Albert Cutolo Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:32 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links I'm probably going to open up a real can of worms here, but this goes back too something that I really think needs to be addressed. I have always felt that web designers, developers and programmers don't really adhere too the w3c standards for good web design when it comes to the proper labeling of graphics for persons that use screen readers. It may pass the test for the first time after the web site has been developed, But if the designers make changes too the web page over a series of months, then we as blind computer users are screwed. Just when the page works sufficiently for a blind person too navigate successfully, the page is no longer user friendly. Just look at what the frustration that this lady is going through just too be able too use the banks web site. It may look more visually appealing for the sighted user, but for the blind, or visually impaired person, it then becomes a real night mayer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links
My computer has made it possible for me to play, work and be a contributor to society. For that I am thankful, despite all frustrations encountered along the way. Sunny Day Maria Campbell lucky1i...@sbcglobal.net WHEN THE POWER OF LOVE IS STRONGER THAN THE LOVE OF POWER, THE WORLD WILL KNOW PEACE --JIMI HENDRIX. - Original Message - From: "Albert Cutolo" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links Hi Alan: As far as I'm concerned, If I had it to doo all over again, I don't think that I would have ever bought a computer. Even though I have one now, I can't in good conscience, say that itis a real joy for me. If anything, Its becomingvery frustrating, and a real pain in the ass too use. I really only use it forwriting and sending email, but as for going on the net, not the way that I would really like too in the way that sighted people use it for. I don't want too spend hours at a time every single dayjust too try and master it. Even with all of the keyboard commandswhich are supposedtoo make its use easier, we'll never be as fast as someone with vision. - Original Message - From: "Alan & Terrie Robbins" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links Albert, I couldn't agree more. Thanks for sharing your and probably most of ours frustration Al -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]on Behalf Of Albert Cutolo Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:32 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links I'm probably going to open up a real can of worms here, but this goes back too something that I really think needs to be addressed. I have always felt that web designers, developers and programmers don't really adhere too the w3c standards for good web design when it comes to the proper labeling of graphics for persons that use screen readers. It may pass the test for the first time after the web site has been developed, But if the designers make changes too the web page over a series of months, then we as blind computer users are screwed. Just when the page works sufficiently for a blind person too navigate successfully, the page is no longer user friendly. Just look at what the frustration that this lady is going through just too be able too use the banks web site. It may look more visually appealing for the sighted user, but for the blind, or visually impaired person, it then becomes a real night mayer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links
Hi Alan: As far as I'm concerned, If I had it to doo all over again, I don't think that I would have ever bought a computer. Even though I have one now, I can't in good conscience, say that itis a real joy for me. If anything, Its becomingvery frustrating, and a real pain in the ass too use. I really only use it forwriting and sending email, but as for going on the net, not the way that I would really like too in the way that sighted people use it for. I don't want too spend hours at a time every single dayjust too try and master it. Even with all of the keyboard commandswhich are supposedtoo make its use easier, we'll never be as fast as someone with vision. - Original Message - From: "Alan & Terrie Robbins" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links Albert, I couldn't agree more. Thanks for sharing your and probably most of ours frustration Al -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]on Behalf Of Albert Cutolo Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:32 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links I'm probably going to open up a real can of worms here, but this goes back too something that I really think needs to be addressed. I have always felt that web designers, developers and programmers don't really adhere too the w3c standards for good web design when it comes to the proper labeling of graphics for persons that use screen readers. It may pass the test for the first time after the web site has been developed, But if the designers make changes too the web page over a series of months, then we as blind computer users are screwed. Just when the page works sufficiently for a blind person too navigate successfully, the page is no longer user friendly. Just look at what the frustration that this lady is going through just too be able too use the banks web site. It may look more visually appealing for the sighted user, but for the blind, or visually impaired person, it then becomes a real night mayer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links
Albert, I couldn't agree more. Thanks for sharing your and probably most of ours frustration Al -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]on Behalf Of Albert Cutolo Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:32 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links I'm probably going to open up a real can of worms here, but this goes back too something that I really think needs to be addressed. I have always felt that web designers, developers and programmers don't really adhere too the w3c standards for good web design when it comes to the proper labeling of graphics for persons that use screen readers. It may pass the test for the first time after the web site has been developed, But if the designers make changes too the web page over a series of months, then we as blind computer users are screwed. Just when the page works sufficiently for a blind person too navigate successfully, the page is no longer user friendly. Just look at what the frustration that this lady is going through just too be able too use the banks web site. It may look more visually appealing for the sighted user, but for the blind, or visually impaired person, it then becomes a real night mayer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links
I understand what you are saying here, but what good are these standards if there not enforced. I for one, am tired of the excuse that we'rejust a small market, and that we don'tmatter much anyway. WhenI see that a sighted person can click the mouse more efficientlyon a button or graphic, and it takes that very same blind person twice as much time too perform that very same action, then how can we ever hope to be as proficient in the use of computers as well as people with vision do. If we as blind and visuallly impaired users keep allowing companies, web designers and developers too justify that arguement, then we'll never be includedwhen it comes too using computers in areas of employment, and entertainment. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links
Albert, But blind users are probably not even one percent of the market. and they surely don't make sites inaccessible on purpose. They probably just don't have in depth knowledge of the intricate facets of screen readers like jaws. If we, who use the program, don't even always have it, how could one expect it from sighted web designers? Regards, Riana -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 3:32 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links I'm probably going to open up a real can of worms here, but this goes back too something that I really think needs to be addressed. I have always felt that web designers, developers and programmers don't really adhere too the w3c standards for good web design when it comes to the proper labeling of graphics for persons that use screen readers. It may pass the test for the first time after the web site has been developed, But if the designers make changes too the web page over a series of months, then we as blind computer users are screwed. Just when the page works sufficiently for a blind person too navigate successfully, the page is no longer user friendly. Just look at what the frustration that this lady is going through just too be able too use the banks web site. It may look more visually appealing for the sighted user, but for the blind, or visually impaired person, it then becomes a real night mayer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] navigating websights and changes that people make to them.
Hi I agree with this compleatley. I meen there were a lot of websights that I can think of that were really good to use and easy to navigate with a screen reader but now that they have updated them and changed them they are a real pain to navigate the movie network is one that comes to mind. from Mich. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links
I'm probably going to open up a real can of worms here, but this goes back too something that I really think needs to be addressed. I have always felt that web designers, developers and programmers don't really adhere too the w3c standards for good web design when it comes to the proper labeling of graphics for persons that use screen readers. It may pass the test for the first time after the web site has been developed, But if the designers make changes too the web page over a series of months, then we as blind computer users are screwed. Just when the page works sufficiently for a blind person too navigate successfully, the page is no longer user friendly. Just look at what the frustration that this lady is going through just too be able too use the banks web site. It may look more visually appealing for the sighted user, but for the blind, or visually impaired person, it then becomes a real night mayer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] turkish jaws voices
hi, i'm sick of posting this this never comes in are there any turkish synthesizers for jaws except aylin? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of america and links
Sometimes it helps to have JAWS redraw the page--insert and escape. Sometimes it doesn't, though. At 01:55 AM 5/26/2010, you wrote: This isn't helpful for you, but I am hoping that someone else has an idea. I bank with American Savings Bank, and they recently did an upgrade to the marvelously accessible site, and now I am having similar trouble. There is a place where all of my payees are listed and then you fill-in the amount that you want to pay. When I opened that section, the items are on the screen and I can find them only by using the JAWS cursor, but I can't make the Make Payments button work. I didn't even know that the items were on the screen until I had someone check the monitor. I don't know if my problem is a setting in JAWS or what to do. Using JFW 11. At 01:21 PM 5/25/2010, you wrote: There is a section to edit "safe pass preferences." There are two options to either "save your preferences" or "don't save preferences." Don't save preferences has a clickable link but save preferences just says graphic save preferences. Using spacebar, enter, route jaws to pc and left mouse click won't work. Any ideas what I could try? Thanks. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links
The latest version of JFW 11. At 10:40 PM 5/25/2010, you wrote: Hi Which version of JAWS are you using? God bless, Mark Jesus Is Lord! Pendleton Redeemer http://pendletonepiscopal.org/ -- From: "Betsy Whitney, Dolphin Press" Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:34 AM To: Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links Hi there, I do exit forms mode, turn on the JAWS cursor because that is the only way for me to find the Make Payments button,, and then I route PC to JAWS and using the enter, or the spacebar, or the mouse click doesn't activate it. My secretary can make it work with the real mouse though. Please keep sending ideas. Desperate! At 09:05 PM 5/25/2010, you wrote: Dear Betsy, Wouldn't it perhaps help to exit forms mode after having completed the details, navigate to the relevant button and then just enter on it? I don't use jaws 11, but at some sites I use that work around. Regards, Riana -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Betsy Whitney, Dolphin Press Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:56 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of america and links This isn't helpful for you, but I am hoping that someone else has an idea. I bank with American Savings Bank, and they recently did an upgrade to the marvelously accessible site, and now I am having similar trouble. There is a place where all of my payees are listed and then you fill-in the amount that you want to pay. When I opened that section, the items are on the screen and I can find them only by using the JAWS cursor, but I can't make the Make Payments button work. I didn't even know that the items were on the screen until I had someone check the monitor. I don't know if my problem is a setting in JAWS or what to do. Using JFW 11. At 01:21 PM 5/25/2010, you wrote: >There is a section to edit "safe pass preferences." There are two >options to either "save your preferences" or "don't save >preferences." Don't save preferences has a clickable link but save >preferences just says graphic save preferences. Using spacebar, >enter, route jaws to pc and left mouse click won't work. Any ideas >what I could try? Thanks. >For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links
Hi Which version of JAWS are you using? God bless, Mark Jesus Is Lord! Pendleton Redeemer http://pendletonepiscopal.org/ -- From: "Betsy Whitney, Dolphin Press" Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:34 AM To: Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links Hi there, I do exit forms mode, turn on the JAWS cursor because that is the only way for me to find the Make Payments button,, and then I route PC to JAWS and using the enter, or the spacebar, or the mouse click doesn't activate it. My secretary can make it work with the real mouse though. Please keep sending ideas. Desperate! At 09:05 PM 5/25/2010, you wrote: Dear Betsy, Wouldn't it perhaps help to exit forms mode after having completed the details, navigate to the relevant button and then just enter on it? I don't use jaws 11, but at some sites I use that work around. Regards, Riana -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Betsy Whitney, Dolphin Press Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:56 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of america and links This isn't helpful for you, but I am hoping that someone else has an idea. I bank with American Savings Bank, and they recently did an upgrade to the marvelously accessible site, and now I am having similar trouble. There is a place where all of my payees are listed and then you fill-in the amount that you want to pay. When I opened that section, the items are on the screen and I can find them only by using the JAWS cursor, but I can't make the Make Payments button work. I didn't even know that the items were on the screen until I had someone check the monitor. I don't know if my problem is a setting in JAWS or what to do. Using JFW 11. At 01:21 PM 5/25/2010, you wrote: >There is a section to edit "safe pass preferences." There are two >options to either "save your preferences" or "don't save >preferences." Don't save preferences has a clickable link but save >preferences just says graphic save preferences. Using spacebar, >enter, route jaws to pc and left mouse click won't work. Any ideas >what I could try? Thanks. >For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links
Hi there, I do exit forms mode, turn on the JAWS cursor because that is the only way for me to find the Make Payments button,, and then I route PC to JAWS and using the enter, or the spacebar, or the mouse click doesn't activate it. My secretary can make it work with the real mouse though. Please keep sending ideas. Desperate! At 09:05 PM 5/25/2010, you wrote: Dear Betsy, Wouldn't it perhaps help to exit forms mode after having completed the details, navigate to the relevant button and then just enter on it? I don't use jaws 11, but at some sites I use that work around. Regards, Riana -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Betsy Whitney, Dolphin Press Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:56 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of america and links This isn't helpful for you, but I am hoping that someone else has an idea. I bank with American Savings Bank, and they recently did an upgrade to the marvelously accessible site, and now I am having similar trouble. There is a place where all of my payees are listed and then you fill-in the amount that you want to pay. When I opened that section, the items are on the screen and I can find them only by using the JAWS cursor, but I can't make the Make Payments button work. I didn't even know that the items were on the screen until I had someone check the monitor. I don't know if my problem is a setting in JAWS or what to do. Using JFW 11. At 01:21 PM 5/25/2010, you wrote: >There is a section to edit "safe pass preferences." There are two >options to either "save your preferences" or "don't save >preferences." Don't save preferences has a clickable link but save >preferences just says graphic save preferences. Using spacebar, >enter, route jaws to pc and left mouse click won't work. Any ideas >what I could try? Thanks. >For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links
Hi I have not been following this thread but I have good success with bank of Americas site using JAWS 11. God bless, Mark Jesus Is Lord! Pendleton Redeemer http://pendletonepiscopal.org/ -- From: "Kim Kelly" Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:17 PM To: Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of america and links Hi Leonard, I am a bank Of America customer and have had no luck with the site. Of course I am using an older version of jaws. I hope you will be able to solve your problem. Kim Kelly Clarkston Washington you can also find me on facebook. You can also visit Our new Web Site http://www.samobile.net/users/richandconchita/ - Original Message - From: "Leonard Morris" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:21 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] bank of america and links There is a section to edit "safe pass preferences." There are two options to either "save your preferences" or "don't save preferences." Don't save preferences has a clickable link but save preferences just says graphic save preferences. Using spacebar, enter, route jaws to pc and left mouse click won't work. Any ideas what I could try? Thanks. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of America and links
Dear Betsy, Wouldn't it perhaps help to exit forms mode after having completed the details, navigate to the relevant button and then just enter on it? I don't use jaws 11, but at some sites I use that work around. Regards, Riana -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Betsy Whitney, Dolphin Press Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:56 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] bank of america and links This isn't helpful for you, but I am hoping that someone else has an idea. I bank with American Savings Bank, and they recently did an upgrade to the marvelously accessible site, and now I am having similar trouble. There is a place where all of my payees are listed and then you fill-in the amount that you want to pay. When I opened that section, the items are on the screen and I can find them only by using the JAWS cursor, but I can't make the Make Payments button work. I didn't even know that the items were on the screen until I had someone check the monitor. I don't know if my problem is a setting in JAWS or what to do. Using JFW 11. At 01:21 PM 5/25/2010, you wrote: >There is a section to edit "safe pass preferences." There are two >options to either "save your preferences" or "don't save >preferences." Don't save preferences has a clickable link but save >preferences just says graphic save preferences. Using spacebar, >enter, route jaws to pc and left mouse click won't work. Any ideas >what I could try? Thanks. >For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
