Re: [JAWS-Users] Updating Jaws

2012-11-28 Thread Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)
Hi,

Just go ahead and remove all the old versions and if you have a backup, remove 
shared components if you want a fresh start.
Is it activated?
The only thing I am not sure of is that if you completely remove everything, 
the activation is removed but I would suggest that it is so you would have to 
re-activate on line.


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Of Graham Smith
Sent: 27 November 2012 16:57
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Updating Jaws


I am going to update my old laptop which I use as backup to my main laptop.

I have jaws versions 7 to 12 on it and wish to remove them all and add just 
jaws 14.  Is there any particular way of doing this or can I just go ahead and 
remove them all and then install 14 from my disc?  I thought I might remove all 
shared files option as well, feel like a fresh start.

Appreciate any advice

Graham


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft Windows 8 And JAWS

2012-11-28 Thread Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)
Absolutely, if you want people to use it, brand it with the product.
I almost bought Microsoft Windows 8 until the supplier kindly advised that I 
would actually need the 8 Pro version to include WMC.


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Of Hamit Campos
Sent: 24 November 2012 14:14
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft Windows 8 And JAWS

Well, I guess it would be exactly what you said. It's fast. Pluss, I'm a geek 
so I guess I also love the fact it's simpally new. It's all cool. The only 
thing that probabally isn't so cool is that Windows Media Center has to be 
added on. I did but I just don't get why MS is wining about not enough people 
using WMC when it's parcially their own falt for not marketing it the right 
way. Pall Thurrot said once that HP's M495C ruined it too since it was a tower 
and not one of those dvd player looking HT PCs'. Maybe so, but who knows. It's 
just too bad they gave up on it. Especially since there's so much WMC could 
still be and do. Off my sope box I go.

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Of Steven Hicks
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 5:54 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft Windows 8 And JAWS

Is there anything specific that you love about it?
I hear that the hardware detection is really good and it seems very quick and 
responsive.


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Of Hamit Campos
Sent: 23 November 2012 21:01
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft Windows 8 And JAWS

IT is rreally cool. I love it. I'm using it. I have win 8 pro.

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Of Steven Hicks
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 12:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft Windows 8 And JAWS

Hi friends,



is anyone using Microsoft Windows 8 and JAWS that can tell me if it is worth 
the upgrade please, my Wife has offered to buy it for me for a present.



Take care all,



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[JAWS-Users] Microsoft Windows Media Centre

2012-11-28 Thread Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)
Hi friends,

Does anyone know where there is a tutorial for Microsoft Windows Media Centre?
I would like to just be able to select directories and say, play my music at 
random but this doesn't seem to be anywhere as easy as WINAMP at the moment.




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[JAWS-Users] Computer Braille message

2012-11-28 Thread Rose Combs
I need to know if I can squelch the "computer braille" message, it shows up
on the Focus display and it keeps on bugging me, I know where to use
computer braille, in fact, I use a qwerty keyboard all the time.  

 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Updating Jaws

2012-11-28 Thread john melia
If you remove everything when loading the new jaws you won't have to
reactivate I do it all the time when I get a new version.

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Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:22 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Updating Jaws

Hi,

Just go ahead and remove all the old versions and if you have a backup,
remove shared components if you want a fresh start.
Is it activated?
The only thing I am not sure of is that if you completely remove everything,
the activation is removed but I would suggest that it is so you would have
to re-activate on line.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Graham Smith
Sent: 27 November 2012 16:57
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Updating Jaws


I am going to update my old laptop which I use as backup to my main laptop.

I have jaws versions 7 to 12 on it and wish to remove them all and add just
jaws 14.  Is there any particular way of doing this or can I just go ahead
and remove them all and then install 14 from my disc?  I thought I might
remove all shared files option as well, feel like a fresh start.

Appreciate any advice

Graham


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[JAWS-Users] question about downloading bank transactions and the accessibillidey of softwair

2012-11-28 Thread Mich
Hi all. I use the roil bank of Canada rbc to do my banking. on there websight 
you can download transactions. the list of soft wairs that they have to do this 
are.  QuickenQuickBooks 
   Makisoft PersonalMakisoft The Accountant 
   MoneySimply Accounting 

  Spreadsheet Software 
 
   
   Comma Delimited (.csv for Excel, Quattro Pro, Lotus, 
 out of the above menchend softwair witch is the best to use with jaws 12? and 
windows xp? I would like to be able to download my banking transactions. many 
thanks. from Mich.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] accessibility on gotomeeting and citrix online

2012-11-28 Thread Bissett, Tom
Actually you need to install the same version of jaws on the citrix server as 
well as your desktop.  This is usually the show stopper.  
You also need to pro version of jaws.  Once connected to the server the server 
version of jaws authorizes it self from your desktop and you are good to go.
With out these two things it isn't going to work.
Tom Bisset
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Marvin Atkins
Sent: November 27, 2012 6:52 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] accessibility on gotomeeting and citrix online

Not sure if this is still accurate but when using JAWS with Citrix, you must 
purchase an additional add-in for JAWS to work with Citrix and it must be 
installed on your employer's main frame. I tried this at my job a few years 
back and couldn't ever get JAWS to work correctly.
- Original Message -
From: "Dan Rossi" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] accessibility on gotomeeting and citrix online


I've had similar experiences with GoToMeeting.  One caveat though.  I worked 
with a conference organizer, and some how, we are not sure how, and we weren't 
able to reproduce it, but at some point, I was able to actually converse with 
him through the interface.  The issue was that there is a bunch of controls on 
the screen, but JAWS refused to see them.  Then, at some point, I was able to 
see all of the controls and interact with them, but was unable to do that 
during the actual live meeting.  The conference organizer had done something 
along the lines of set my preferences differently during our test, and that put 
me in a different area when the our test conference started, which enabled me 
to see all the controls.
However, when we tried that in the live conference, it didn't seem to work the 
same way.

So, I will say that yes, in general it is mostly inaccessible, but it seems 
promising that it can be made to work.  I think that should be a priority for 
Freedom Scientific since so many business related meetings are now being 
conducted via this platform.


--
Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
Senior Oracle Database Administrator
Carnegie Mellon University.
E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu
Tel: (412) 268-9081

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Re: [JAWS-Users] question about downloading bank transactions and the accessibillidey of softwair

2012-11-28 Thread Bissett, Tom
You want the comma delimited one.  That way you can import it into most 
spreadsheet software such as Excel.
Tom Bisset
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Mich
Sent: November 28, 2012 9:10 AM
To: jaws-users-list @jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] question about downloading bank transactions and the 
accessibillidey of softwair

Hi all. I use the roil bank of Canada rbc to do my banking. on there websight 
you can download transactions. the list of soft wairs that they have to do this 
are.  QuickenQuickBooks 
   Makisoft PersonalMakisoft The Accountant 
   MoneySimply Accounting 

  Spreadsheet Software 
 
   
   Comma Delimited (.csv for Excel, Quattro Pro, Lotus,  out of the above 
menchend softwair witch is the best to use with jaws 12? and windows xp? I 
would like to be able to download my banking transactions. many thanks. from 
Mich.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] question about downloading bank transactions and the accessibillidey of softwair

2012-11-28 Thread Mich
I don't use ms excell and never got the hang of it with jaws. i use ms word 
but not excell. from Mich.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bissett, Tom" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] question about downloading bank transactions and 
the accessibillidey of softwair



You want the comma delimited one.  That way you can import it into most 
spreadsheet software such as Excel.

Tom Bisset
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Mich

Sent: November 28, 2012 9:10 AM
To: jaws-users-list @jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] question about downloading bank transactions and the 
accessibillidey of softwair


Hi all. I use the roil bank of Canada rbc to do my banking. on there 
websight you can download transactions. the list of soft wairs that they 
have to do this are.  QuickenQuickBooks

  Makisoft PersonalMakisoft The Accountant
  MoneySimply Accounting

 Spreadsheet Software


  Comma Delimited (.csv for Excel, Quattro Pro, Lotus,  out of the 
above menchend softwair witch is the best to use with jaws 12? and windows 
xp? I would like to be able to download my banking transactions. many 
thanks. from Mich.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] question about downloading bank transactions and the accessibillidey of softwair

2012-11-28 Thread Bissett, Tom
I pointed out the comma delimited version because it will import into most 
spreadsheet software as well as some accounting packages.
If you don't use any spreadsheet programs or accounting packages then you need 
to figure out what program you want to learn.
For your needs to just review your transactions then you might want to have 
another go at Excel.  I can't think of another program that would be easier for 
just reviewing your transactions.
If you want to do more than just reviewing then you may want to learn an 
accounting package.  I haven't used any of them so I can't suggest any.  
Tom Bisset
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Mich
Sent: November 28, 2012 9:36 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] question about downloading bank transactions and the 
accessibillidey of softwair

I don't use ms excell and never got the hang of it with jaws. i use ms word but 
not excell. from Mich.
- Original Message -
From: "Bissett, Tom" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] question about downloading bank transactions and the 
accessibillidey of softwair


> You want the comma delimited one.  That way you can import it into 
> most spreadsheet software such as Excel.
> Tom Bisset
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of Mich
> Sent: November 28, 2012 9:10 AM
> To: jaws-users-list @jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] question about downloading bank transactions and 
> the accessibillidey of softwair
>
> Hi all. I use the roil bank of Canada rbc to do my banking. on there 
> websight you can download transactions. the list of soft wairs that they
> have to do this are.  QuickenQuickBooks
>   Makisoft PersonalMakisoft The Accountant
>   MoneySimply Accounting
>
>  Spreadsheet Software
>
>
>   Comma Delimited (.csv for Excel, Quattro Pro, Lotus,  out of the 
> above menchend softwair witch is the best to use with jaws 12? and 
> windows xp? I would like to be able to download my banking 
> transactions. many thanks. from Mich.
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> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] accessibility on gotomeeting and citrix online

2012-11-28 Thread André van Deventer
Tom

But where are you supposed to install Jaws.  At the folks who do the
webinar?
I'll have to see if they are willing to do that.




-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: 28 November 2012 04:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] accessibility on gotomeeting and citrix online

Actually you need to install the same version of jaws on the citrix server
as well as your desktop.  This is usually the show stopper.  
You also need to pro version of jaws.  Once connected to the server the
server version of jaws authorizes it self from your desktop and you are good
to go.
With out these two things it isn't going to work.
Tom Bisset
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Marvin Atkins
Sent: November 27, 2012 6:52 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] accessibility on gotomeeting and citrix online

Not sure if this is still accurate but when using JAWS with Citrix, you must
purchase an additional add-in for JAWS to work with Citrix and it must be
installed on your employer's main frame. I tried this at my job a few years
back and couldn't ever get JAWS to work correctly.
- Original Message -
From: "Dan Rossi" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] accessibility on gotomeeting and citrix online


I've had similar experiences with GoToMeeting.  One caveat though.  I worked
with a conference organizer, and some how, we are not sure how, and we
weren't able to reproduce it, but at some point, I was able to actually
converse with him through the interface.  The issue was that there is a
bunch of controls on the screen, but JAWS refused to see them.  Then, at
some point, I was able to see all of the controls and interact with them,
but was unable to do that during the actual live meeting.  The conference
organizer had done something along the lines of set my preferences
differently during our test, and that put me in a different area when the
our test conference started, which enabled me to see all the controls.
However, when we tried that in the live conference, it didn't seem to work
the same way.

So, I will say that yes, in general it is mostly inaccessible, but it seems
promising that it can be made to work.  I think that should be a priority
for Freedom Scientific since so many business related meetings are now being
conducted via this platform.



--
Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
Senior Oracle Database Administrator
Carnegie Mellon University.
E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu
Tel: (412) 268-9081

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Updating Jaws

2012-11-28 Thread Graham Smith



-Original Message- 
From: Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)

Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:22 h


I gave up, went to uninstall jaws 7 and froze my laptop twice.  I used the 
uninstall option within tools.  Computer would not restart and had to start 
in safe mode and then restore, lucky I had some eyes here.  Decided to leave 
them all on there.  I did wonder if deleting under add and remove would 
work.


graham

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Updating Jaws

Hi,

Just go ahead and remove all the old versions and if you have a backup, 
removOe shared components if you want a fresh start.

Is it activated?
The only thing I am not sure of is that if you completely remove everything, 
the activation is removed but I would suggest that it is so you would have 
to re-activate on line.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Graham Smith

Sent: 27 November 2012 16:57
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Updating Jaws


I am going to update my old laptop which I use as backup to my main laptop.

I have jaws versions 7 to 12 on it and wish to remove them all and add just 
jaws 14.  Is there any particular way of doing this or can I just go ahead 
and remove them all and then install 14 from my disc?  I thought I might 
remove all shared files option as well, feel like a fresh start.


Appreciate any advice

Graham


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Re: [JAWS-Users] accessibility on gotomeeting and citrix online

2012-11-28 Thread Bissett, Tom
My appologies,  Yes it would have to be hosted by the provider.  It is on the 
citrix server where jaws needs to be installed and it needs to be the same 
version or newer than what is on the desktop.  
In this case you probably can't.  I Haven't ever heard of a provider installing 
jaws on their server.  
I Haven't had to use "Go To Meeting" so I can't speak to it directly.
Tom Bisset
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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of André van Deventer
Sent: November 28, 2012 9:59 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] accessibility on gotomeeting and citrix online

Tom

But where are you supposed to install Jaws.  At the folks who do the webinar?
I'll have to see if they are willing to do that.




-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: 28 November 2012 04:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] accessibility on gotomeeting and citrix online

Actually you need to install the same version of jaws on the citrix server as 
well as your desktop.  This is usually the show stopper.  
You also need to pro version of jaws.  Once connected to the server the server 
version of jaws authorizes it self from your desktop and you are good to go.
With out these two things it isn't going to work.
Tom Bisset
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Marvin Atkins
Sent: November 27, 2012 6:52 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] accessibility on gotomeeting and citrix online

Not sure if this is still accurate but when using JAWS with Citrix, you must 
purchase an additional add-in for JAWS to work with Citrix and it must be 
installed on your employer's main frame. I tried this at my job a few years 
back and couldn't ever get JAWS to work correctly.
- Original Message -
From: "Dan Rossi" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] accessibility on gotomeeting and citrix online


I've had similar experiences with GoToMeeting.  One caveat though.  I worked 
with a conference organizer, and some how, we are not sure how, and we weren't 
able to reproduce it, but at some point, I was able to actually converse with 
him through the interface.  The issue was that there is a bunch of controls on 
the screen, but JAWS refused to see them.  Then, at some point, I was able to 
see all of the controls and interact with them, but was unable to do that 
during the actual live meeting.  The conference organizer had done something 
along the lines of set my preferences differently during our test, and that put 
me in a different area when the our test conference started, which enabled me 
to see all the controls.
However, when we tried that in the live conference, it didn't seem to work the 
same way.

So, I will say that yes, in general it is mostly inaccessible, but it seems 
promising that it can be made to work.  I think that should be a priority for 
Freedom Scientific since so many business related meetings are now being 
conducted via this platform.




--
Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
Senior Oracle Database Administrator
Carnegie Mellon University.
E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu
Tel: (412) 268-9081

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Updating Jaws

2012-11-28 Thread David Ferrin
If there is a message in here I didn't find it.
David Ferrin
Life it what happens after you have already made other plans.
- Original Message - 
From: "Graham Smith" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Updating Jaws




-Original Message- 
From: Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:22 h


I gave up, went to uninstall jaws 7 and froze my laptop twice.  I used the
uninstall option within tools.  Computer would not restart and had to start
in safe mode and then restore, lucky I had some eyes here.  Decided to leave
them all on there.  I did wonder if deleting under add and remove would
work.

graham

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Updating Jaws

Hi,

Just go ahead and remove all the old versions and if you have a backup,
removOe shared components if you want a fresh start.
Is it activated?
The only thing I am not sure of is that if you completely remove everything,
the activation is removed but I would suggest that it is so you would have
to re-activate on line.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Graham Smith
Sent: 27 November 2012 16:57
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Updating Jaws


I am going to update my old laptop which I use as backup to my main laptop.

I have jaws versions 7 to 12 on it and wish to remove them all and add just
jaws 14.  Is there any particular way of doing this or can I just go ahead
and remove them all and then install 14 from my disc?  I thought I might
remove all shared files option as well, feel like a fresh start.

Appreciate any advice

Graham


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[JAWS-Users] What's a good database for use with jaws!

2012-11-28 Thread Lists

Hi 

Recently my workplace mentioned they were going to move to a new database
software called "File Reader Pro" and wanted to know what its accessibility
was like and if it would work with my version of jaws. I wasn't sure about
this and did some research on Google where I found that  while the makers of
File Reader Pro were touting it was accessible this is not quite the truth
as I discovered from various other web forums etc. Now I would like to know
if someone here  has a particular database other than say MS Access or File
Reader Pro that would be pretty good accessibility wise.

Many thanks for any help.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] question about downloading bank transactions and the accessibillidey of softwair

2012-11-28 Thread Phil Halton
If you're familiar with spreadsheet software like excel, I recommend the 
.CSV format. This will give you the raw data, and you can then manipulate it 
in anyway you like to fit your needs.


If you're not familiar with Spreadsheet software like  excel, my question is 
"why not"?


The best purchase I ever made was a tutorial on how to use Excel - now I use 
it for everything from journaling to keeping personal accounts and 
checkbooks in balance. best bucks I ever spent.




- Original Message - 
From: "Mich" 

To: "jaws-users-list @jaws-users.com" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:10 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] question about downloading bank transactions and the 
accessibillidey of softwair



Hi all. I use the roil bank of Canada rbc to do my banking. on there 
websight you can download transactions. the list of soft wairs that they 
have to do this are.  QuickenQuickBooks

  Makisoft PersonalMakisoft The Accountant
  MoneySimply Accounting

 Spreadsheet Software


  Comma Delimited (.csv for Excel, Quattro Pro, Lotus,
out of the above menchend softwair witch is the best to use with jaws 12? 
and windows xp? I would like to be able to download my banking 
transactions. many thanks. from Mich.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] question about downloading bank transactions and the accessibillidey of softwair

2012-11-28 Thread Phil Halton

Hey Mitch,

There's a good tutorial (webinar) for excel for $30, and a free webinar on 
the MS Office suite interface, along with one for ribbons on 
FreedomScientific's training website. In fact, that site is chalk full of 
good training material - much of it free.


You might want to check out that Excel webinar - it'd probably help you 
alot.


- Original Message - 
From: "Mich" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] question about downloading bank transactions and 
the accessibillidey of softwair



I don't use ms excell and never got the hang of it with jaws. i use ms word 
but not excell. from Mich.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bissett, Tom" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] question about downloading bank transactions and 
the accessibillidey of softwair



You want the comma delimited one.  That way you can import it into most 
spreadsheet software such as Excel.

Tom Bisset
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Mich

Sent: November 28, 2012 9:10 AM
To: jaws-users-list @jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] question about downloading bank transactions and 
the accessibillidey of softwair


Hi all. I use the roil bank of Canada rbc to do my banking. on there 
websight you can download transactions. the list of soft wairs that they 
have to do this are.  QuickenQuickBooks

  Makisoft PersonalMakisoft The Accountant
  MoneySimply Accounting

 Spreadsheet Software


  Comma Delimited (.csv for Excel, Quattro Pro, Lotus,  out of the 
above menchend softwair witch is the best to use with jaws 12? and 
windows xp? I would like to be able to download my banking transactions. 
many thanks. from Mich.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] question about downloading bank transactions andthe accessibillidey of softwair

2012-11-28 Thread Trish
Totally agree with you Phil, and for me at least, I've never had to tweak 
Jaws for this app.

- Original Message - 
From: "Phil Halton" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] question about downloading bank transactions 
andthe accessibillidey of softwair


If you're familiar with spreadsheet software like excel, I recommend the
.CSV format. This will give you the raw data, and you can then manipulate it
in anyway you like to fit your needs.

If you're not familiar with Spreadsheet software like  excel, my question is
"why not"?

The best purchase I ever made was a tutorial on how to use Excel - now I use
it for everything from journaling to keeping personal accounts and
checkbooks in balance. best bucks I ever spent.



- Original Message - 
From: "Mich" 
To: "jaws-users-list @jaws-users.com" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:10 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] question about downloading bank transactions and the
accessibillidey of softwair


> Hi all. I use the roil bank of Canada rbc to do my banking. on there
> websight you can download transactions. the list of soft wairs that they
> have to do this are.  QuickenQuickBooks
>   Makisoft PersonalMakisoft The Accountant
>   MoneySimply Accounting
>
>  Spreadsheet Software
>
>
>   Comma Delimited (.csv for Excel, Quattro Pro, Lotus,
> out of the above menchend softwair witch is the best to use with jaws 12?
> and windows xp? I would like to be able to download my banking
> transactions. many thanks. from Mich.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Updating Jaws

2012-11-28 Thread Graham Smith

I gave up, went to uninstall jaws 7 and froze my laptop twice.  I used the
uninstall option within tools.  Computer would not restart and had to start
in safe mode and then restore, lucky I had some eyes here.  Decided to leave
them all on there.  I did wonder if deleting under add and remove would
work.

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:43
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Updating Jaws

If there is a message in here I didn't find it.
David Ferrin
Life it what happens after you have already made other plans.
- Original Message - 
From: "Graham Smith" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Updating Jaws




-Original Message- 
From: Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)

Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:22 h


I gave up, went to uninstall jaws 7 and froze my laptop twice.  I used the
uninstall option within tools.  Computer would not restart and had to start
in safe mode and then restore, lucky I had some eyes here.  Decided to leave
them all on there.  I did wonder if deleting under add and remove would
work.

graham

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Updating Jaws

Hi,

Just go ahead and remove all the old versions and if you have a backup,
removOe shared components if you want a fresh start.
Is it activated?
The only thing I am not sure of is that if you completely remove everything,
the activation is removed but I would suggest that it is so you would have
to re-activate on line.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Graham Smith
Sent: 27 November 2012 16:57
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Updating Jaws


I am going to update my old laptop which I use as backup to my main laptop.

I have jaws versions 7 to 12 on it and wish to remove them all and add just
jaws 14.  Is there any particular way of doing this or can I just go ahead
and remove them all and then install 14 from my disc?  I thought I might
remove all shared files option as well, feel like a fresh start.

Appreciate any advice

Graham


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Re: [JAWS-Users] What's a good database for use with jaws!

2012-11-28 Thread Graham Smith
I use the database within microsoft works that came on my laptop from new. 
It is not fully accessible but possible, works very nicely for me and I am 
able to do most things with it.  It would be nice if someone could script it 
a little.


graham


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From: Lists

Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:46
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] What's a good database for use with jaws!


Hi

Recently my workplace mentioned they were going to move to a new database
software called "File Reader Pro" and wanted to know what its accessibility
was like and if it would work with my version of jaws. I wasn't sure about
this and did some research on Google where I found that  while the makers of
File Reader Pro were touting it was accessible this is not quite the truth
as I discovered from various other web forums etc. Now I would like to know
if someone here  has a particular database other than say MS Access or File
Reader Pro that would be pretty good accessibility wise.

Many thanks for any help.

Paul.



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[JAWS-Users] Emporting Contacts

2012-11-28 Thread Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews
How do I imnport my outlook addressbook contacts into Gmail?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] please take me off the list for now

2012-11-28 Thread Angelo DeMarsico

Likewise, so please also remove me from the list also.

-Original Message- 
From: RAY SEWELL 
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 3:23 PM 
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] please take me off the list for now 


Have a new s system which I have to learn so goodbye for a while.  ray

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Re: [JAWS-Users] What's a good database for use with jaws!

2012-11-28 Thread Hans Pauli Sundstein

Hi.

As far as i know, so is'nt it possible to make scripts for the Microsoft 
Works package, because all the applications are using the same Window Class.
So whatever you're working in a spreadshead or text editing or database 
program, the same Window Classes are beeing used.


Hans Pauli.


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Fra: Graham Smith

Dato: 28. november 2012 18:23
Til: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Emne: Re: [JAWS-Users] What's a good database for use with jaws!

I use the database within microsoft works that came on my laptop from new.
It is not fully accessible but possible, works very nicely for me and I am
able to do most things with it.  It would be nice if someone could script it
a little.

graham


-Original Message- 
From: Lists

Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:46
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] What's a good database for use with jaws!


Hi

Recently my workplace mentioned they were going to move to a new database
software called "File Reader Pro" and wanted to know what its accessibility
was like and if it would work with my version of jaws. I wasn't sure about
this and did some research on Google where I found that  while the makers of
File Reader Pro were touting it was accessible this is not quite the truth
as I discovered from various other web forums etc. Now I would like to know
if someone here  has a particular database other than say MS Access or File
Reader Pro that would be pretty good accessibility wise.

Many thanks for any help.

Paul.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] ITUNES-- WAS re-JFW V. 14 crashing Windows Explorer

2012-11-28 Thread inthaneelf
there are some free converters out there that work well I use one here a few

times a month, the best so far is format factory
http://www.pcfreetime.com/download.html
select the file, hit the apps key, select format factory, make sure the
items in the dialog are OK, then hit ok.
second step is to go into the file menu and hit/enter on start converting

and the end product winds up where you said to put it in the first window of
FF

or this one:
" A great, easy to use, and completely accessible tool is Switch Sound File
Convertor.  You can get it, free, at http://www.nch.com.au/switch/ 


take care,
inthane
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] ITUNES-- WAS re-JFW V. 14 crashing Windows
Explorer

I don't really have much to add to this.  I only use itunes for what I 
have to, amazon is cheaper and I'd rather have mp3's that let me do with 
them what I will.  Maybe someone who uses it more can comment.



On 11/26/2012 17:35, jim wrote:
> Hi Chris:
>
> No, it does not crash at first.
> That is the weird thing, some times I can brouse the store for a hour or
so.
> Some times when just arrowing up or down my music list it will suddenly
lock up.
> Some times it works fine.
> I have made some small changes, still working on the issue.
> Thanks for answering...
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[JAWS-Users] internet explorer 8.

2012-11-28 Thread Kimmie
Hi there.  Could someone give me a how to on reinstalling internet explorer
8.  I can't stand ie9, and I want to get rid of it please.  Thanks.  I was
doing my updating, and there were optional things to be updated, and what
did I go and do? Yeah! Went and installed i.e.9.  Thanks for your help.
i.e.8 is much better for me to use.  Thanks.  Oh! I havejaws 12. Thanksl
Kimmie. 


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft Windows 8 And JAWS

2012-11-28 Thread HHamit Campos
Ah, I think I get your point. If you're talking about how it use to be part
of it, well that wasn't really the problem so much. What I'm talking about
is the fact that Not many people knew about it, those that did were few and
some thought it was an OS, then there's the probability of the influence of
what Paull said. Again, I can't really say if the M495C really effected
anything not having touched it,and the only comments I've heard on it being
from Larry Scutchan. In other words, did it look nice at all to a sighted
person particularly to any women? Who knows. The reason I bring up women is
because you always hear thixs with anything home theater, the guy may want
it, but the girl doesn't want the stuff yucking up the prettiness of the
room. But I digress. Point is, what I'm saying is there weren't many home
theater PCs, the set up wasn't as simple as people may have liked I guess.
It wasn't plug and play like with a TV, and WMC wasn't too well known. Ask
some of your friends and see if they know what WMC is and you'll see what I
mean. That was my point.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft Windows 8 And JAWS

Absolutely, if you want people to use it, brand it with the product.
I almost bought Microsoft Windows 8 until the supplier kindly advised that I
would actually need the 8 Pro version to include WMC.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: 24 November 2012 14:14
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft Windows 8 And JAWS

Well, I guess it would be exactly what you said. It's fast. Pluss, I'm a
geek so I guess I also love the fact it's simpally new. It's all cool. The
only thing that probabally isn't so cool is that Windows Media Center has to
be added on. I did but I just don't get why MS is wining about not enough
people using WMC when it's parcially their own falt for not marketing it the
right way. Pall Thurrot said once that HP's M495C ruined it too since it was
a tower and not one of those dvd player looking HT PCs'. Maybe so, but who
knows. It's just too bad they gave up on it. Especially since there's so
much WMC could still be and do. Off my sope box I go.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Steven Hicks
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 5:54 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft Windows 8 And JAWS

Is there anything specific that you love about it?
I hear that the hardware detection is really good and it seems very quick
and responsive.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: 23 November 2012 21:01
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft Windows 8 And JAWS

IT is rreally cool. I love it. I'm using it. I have win 8 pro.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Steven Hicks
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 12:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft Windows 8 And JAWS

Hi friends,



is anyone using Microsoft Windows 8 and JAWS that can tell me if it is worth
the upgrade please, my Wife has offered to buy it for me for a present.



Take care all,



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Re: [JAWS-Users] please take me off the list for now

2012-11-28 Thread David Ferrin
I must point out that this is interesting. People some how manage to 
subscribe yet they feel it is beyond them to accomplish the reverse. Just 
wanted to point that out is all.

jaws-users-list-le...@jaws-users.com

Yet it is all on the help page, oh well.
David Ferrin
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- Original Message - 
From: "Angelo DeMarsico" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] please take me off the list for now


Likewise, so please also remove me from the list also.

-Original Message- 
From: RAY SEWELL
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 3:23 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] please take me off the list for now

Have a new s system which I have to learn so goodbye for a while.  ray

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Computer Braille message

2012-11-28 Thread Rose Combs
I fixed it by setting my system to output only, since I don't braille on the
display especially at work.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com


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Behalf Of Rose Combs
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Computer Braille message

I need to know if I can squelch the "computer braille" message, it shows up
on the Focus display and it keeps on bugging me, I know where to use
computer braille, in fact, I use a qwerty keyboard all the time.  

 

 

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[JAWS-Users] iTunes and Jaws 14 update

2012-11-28 Thread jim
After making some changes on my new computer, Jaws 14 and itunes are working 
correctly now.
One thing that I changed was the start up tab in msconfig.
I now only have three things coming on at start up.
1. Jaws
2. Mcaffee
3. realtech manager
I also made sure that I was using windows 7 basic theme.
I also set my computer to run without a display, that way it shuts down any 
unnecessary visual graphic from running that my hamper jaws from working 
smoothly.
Thanks for all the help...Jim
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[JAWS-Users] Jaws 14 and Google crome

2012-11-28 Thread jim
I thought that I would give google crome a try.
This seems to be a fast browser, most of the shortcut keys work in it like they 
do in IE9.
However, when there is a message that pops up like in IE9, and we use the ALT+n 
to go to the notification bar in IE9, is there a special key stoke for doing 
the same thing in google crome?
Also, is there any special settings in google crome when using a screen reader.
Lastly, is there a page of short cut keys out there any where?
Again thanks for all the help...Jim
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Re: [JAWS-Users] external sound cards

2012-11-28 Thread Kimsan
Thanks, elf.
I will look for anything soundblaster.

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Behalf Of inthaneelf
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 1:45 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] external sound cards

for the main part it often doesn't matter, but i am a quality stickler after
some very bad run ins with off brand products, anything from soundblaster
(my oddisy ran me 14.00 dollars when i bought it, and i am fine with that)
or if you cand find it phillips are good units.

take care,
elf 

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Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 1:52 PM
To: jaws-users
Subject: [JAWS-Users] external sound cards

Hi,

I know this has come up several times and I am sorry to ask again.

I am on new egg, tiger direct and searching on ebay and I will admit, some
of these brand names are like whaat?

 

Very basic question, yes, newby for external sound cards.

Which brand should I get because with an external sound card I suppose one
can record a tutorial and have jaws coming through another sound card
correct?

Sorry, I'm very new to this and just want to get info.  I am not ashame to
admit, I have no clue 

If the above is something that is duable, which external sound card can I
search for on ebay, new egg, etc?

Thank you.

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes and Jaws 14 update

2012-11-28 Thread Vicky Vaughan
When you say that you set your computer to run with out a display, are you 
saying that you don't either have a moniter or that it stays blank, since no 
data is sent to it?


I would love to set my system up, so goofy things don't interfeer with Jaws. 
I never know what might or what is interfeering with Jaws.


Many thanks! Vicky
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From: "jim" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:18 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] iTunes and Jaws 14 update


After making some changes on my new computer, Jaws 14 and itunes are 
working correctly now.

One thing that I changed was the start up tab in msconfig.
I now only have three things coming on at start up.
1. Jaws
2. Mcaffee
3. realtech manager
I also made sure that I was using windows 7 basic theme.
I also set my computer to run without a display, that way it shuts down 
any unnecessary visual graphic from running that my hamper jaws from 
working smoothly.

Thanks for all the help...Jim
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[JAWS-Users] Time question

2012-11-28 Thread Vicky Vaughan
I just noticed that my computer says it's 3 minutes erlior than my iPhone. Does 
anyone know which one is likely to be the correct one?

A enquiring mind wants to know.

Vicky
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[JAWS-Users] strange problem with folders in outlook 2010

2012-11-28 Thread André van Deventer
Hi all

 

If this is not jaws related  and off topic my sincere appologies to everyone

 

On one of my outlook accounts I have quite a few sub folders for different
kinds of messages.

 

Since about a week ago, for some obscure reason, I am unable to see these
subfolders.

 

As a test I tried to recreate one of them and was then told by the programme
that I cannot as the folder already exists.

 

When trying to move  messages to the existing folders I am also not able to
do so.

 

So it does seem  as if they are still there but hidden somehow!

 

Can somebody assist with this perhaps?

 

Andre

 

 

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