Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws in System Tray
On Monday, October 08, 2007 6:47 AM [GMT+1=CET], Sarah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There really is no way to do what you are wanting to do. you haveto havve it run in the system tray or in th etask list. SAG Oh, that's probably right, and now, after reading Patricia's mail again, I also finally understand what she wants to do. What would be the real benefit of having JAWS invisible both in the system tray and the task list? -- Jyrki Voutilainen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype ID: jvoutila Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws in System Tray
On Monday, October 08, 2007 9:41 AM [GMT+1=CET], Chris Hallsworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The benefit I can think of is that JAWS will not be in the alt tab list, so if you have multiple applications open you can alt tab to them without alt tabbing to JAWS. I like JAWS in my system tray, but some people prefer it in the taskbar. It's just personal preference. You are very right, and I prefer to like JAWS running from the system tray too, and just for avoiding alt tabbing to it when having multiple applications open. But as I've understood, now JAWS was wantid to be non-visible both in the system tray and the task bar, and that's why I was wondering what the benefits of that should be. But avoiding JAWS to appear on the task bar is a *very great* feature, and especially for those of us who often run many applications simultaneously. Having JAWS running from the system tray would be quite frustrating in these cases! -- Jyrki Voutilainen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype ID: jvoutila Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 8 and blue screen of Death etc.
Very many thanks to you, David Griffith, for your very helpful information below. I can tell you all that the blue screen problem is solved by that time by installing another display driver on the computer mentioned, but the information you gave could be *very* helpful in a situation like that in the future, and a also have plans to update my own laptop after 3-4-year-usage of my present one, and I still hav a well-working desktop here in my home office. I would -by the way - *never* use only a laptop, not even a good one, for all my work, but have a desktop-laptop-network instead. I workd maby two years having only a laptop in usage, but that became very frustrating a) because of lacking peripheral connections, b) because of unusable integrated audio hardware in that particular model etc. And then there is the maintenance as a whole; in a desktop you can update almost every single unit of the hardware if needed, but not in a laptop. But if having a well customized desktop in usage all the time, the problematic issues in your laptop aren't so hard to cope with, because you still have a hopefully well-functioning computer in usage. But in the earlier days having more than one computer in usage was more rare because of higher hardware prices than nowadays. Today a well-funcioning basic desktop unit can be set up by approcimately 400 euros, but using the cheapest hardware parts. That unit could be used as a testing unit, for instance, and you could still do your main work using your main unit built of better components. Perhaps you still may prefer to use a separate soundcard or display adapter instead of an integrated one etc. But why use any expensive parts if the unit is beeing used for some test or server purposes only? Have any of you - by the way - noticed any difference in JAWS's behavior when using integrated soundcards and display adapters compared to using separate ones? My friend mentioned is an audiophile and deals with professional audio software, and he usis, of course, a separate soundcard like AVE64 or something like that, but I am not as much involved in that than he is. But even I am using something else than basic loudspeakers and headphones in my setup. Best regards, Jyrki Voutilainen - Original Message - From: David Griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 8 and blue screen of Death In ;my experience blue screen are more often than not Video driver issues. This can be very hard to correct and in the worst case scenarios I have had to reinstall windows itself to avoid these problems. Before this drastic step you could try the following. 1. Go to the web site of your video card manufacturer and download the latest driver and install this. You may have to repair or reinstall Jaws after this. Unfortunately some video driver setups and their websites may not be fully accessible and you may need sighted help but you could have a go. 2. If this does not work then reduce hardware acceleration on your video card to 80%. I have found Jaws works on my system at 80% but no lower and this can greatly reduce blue screen crashes. To reduce hardware acceleration on XP Pro 1. Go to Control Panel 2. Go to Display 3. Press Control Tab until you get to Settings Tab. 4. Tab until you get to Advanced. 5. Control Tab until you get to Troubleshooting page. 6. Press Tab until you hear Hardware Acceleration and left right slider. 7. Use your left cursor key to reduce Hardware Acceleration to 80%. 7. Tab to OK and keep on pressing OK to close display settings. NB some video drivers insert their own troubleshooting tab under display but I have found it better to use the windows troubleshooting under the Advanced tab as described above. Can't guarantee it will work but it has helped me on some systems in the past. Regards David Griffith -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Meyer Sent: 05 October 2007 01:42 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 8 and blue screen of Death Hi When on ebay and arrowing down, more times than not I get Blue screen of Death and have to manually shutdown.I have a one year dell computer and when I was getting those MSN errors messages, I downloaded Dell driver tools as suggested and ran it with no effect. Updates are current. Message mention video's drivers conflict but a sighted person did not see any red conflict flags. Hope someone can help. Regards Scott Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account
[JAWS-Users] PC Arrows and Skype Chat Messages
Hi there, With vary great frustration I noticed, once again, that things may work differently also when using the same JAWS (8.0) and Skype (3.5) versions: One of my friends and I have exactly the same versions of the software mentioned before, but still he is able to read the Skype Chat messages also with the PC arrows, but I'm not. One possible reason could be different display adapters? My friend mentioned has a recently purchased laptop, and I tried the same with my approximately three-year-old desktop, but exactly with the same software than he, and we both run Windows XP Home SP 2 at the moment. But my XP will very soon be updated to XP Professional, but for other reasons than that. the JAWS's behavior depends certainly on how the information is sent to the screen, so the version and the model of the display adapter should play some role there, shouldn't it? Why don't update the display adapter at the same time than the os too, because it's a big update anyway? Best regards, -- Jyrki Voutilainen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype ID: jvoutila Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JAWS-Users] Misspelled Words, JAWS, Finnish and Smileys
Oh, I am *very* sorry about some misspelled words in my last message, but I never proofread it. But they could 'look' quite funny when using JAWS with any synthesizer. But Eloquence with JAWS or some other synthesizer is a very good proofreader, but only if the language used is supported like Finnish, for instance. But reading Finnish with American or Brittish English checked could be too funny to cope with, and that happened me while doing some Business English exercises for my present school, and I had to stop working for a while because of un-controlled laughing! And finally: Should smileys bee used on that list at all, or do they only make the reading of messages more confusing? Or could they be replaced with something like smile or be totally avoided? But perhaps reading Finnish with English checked is too funny to describe with any smiley? Regards, Jyrki Voutilainen - Original Message - From: Jyrki Voutilainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Cc: Lauri Hallikainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 8 and blue screen of Death etc. Very many thanks to you, David Griffith, for your very helpful information below. I can tell you all that the blue screen problem is solved by that time by installing another display driver on the computer mentioned, but the information you gave could be *very* helpful in a situation like that in the future, and a also have plans to update my own laptop after 3-4-year-usage of my present one, and I still hav a well-working desktop here in my home office. I would -by the way - *never* use only a laptop, not even a good one, for all my work, but have a desktop-laptop-network instead. I workd maby two years having only a laptop in usage, but that became very frustrating a) because of lacking peripheral connections, b) because of unusable integrated audio hardware in that particular model etc. And then there is the maintenance as a whole; in a desktop you can update almost every single unit of the hardware if needed, but not in a laptop. But if having a well customized desktop in usage all the time, the problematic issues in your laptop aren't so hard to cope with, because you still have a hopefully well-functioning computer in usage. But in the earlier days having more than one computer in usage was more rare because of higher hardware prices than nowadays. Today a well-funcioning basic desktop unit can be set up by approcimately 400 euros, but using the cheapest hardware parts. That unit could be used as a testing unit, for instance, and you could still do your main work using your main unit built of better components. Perhaps you still may prefer to use a separate soundcard or display adapter instead of an integrated one etc. But why use any expensive parts if the unit is beeing used for some test or server purposes only? Have any of you - by the way - noticed any difference in JAWS's behavior when using integrated soundcards and display adapters compared to using separate ones? My friend mentioned is an audiophile and deals with professional audio software, and he usis, of course, a separate soundcard like AVE64 or something like that, but I am not as much involved in that than he is. But even I am using something else than basic loudspeakers and headphones in my setup. Best regards, Jyrki Voutilainen - Original Message - From: David Griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 8 and blue screen of Death In ;my experience blue screen are more often than not Video driver issues. This can be very hard to correct and in the worst case scenarios I have had to reinstall windows itself to avoid these problems. Before this drastic step you could try the following. 1. Go to the web site of your video card manufacturer and download the latest driver and install this. You may have to repair or reinstall Jaws after this. Unfortunately some video driver setups and their websites may not be fully accessible and you may need sighted help but you could have a go. 2. If this does not work then reduce hardware acceleration on your video card to 80%. I have found Jaws works on my system at 80% but no lower and this can greatly reduce blue screen crashes. To reduce hardware acceleration on XP Pro 1. Go to Control Panel 2. Go to Display 3. Press Control Tab until you get to Settings Tab. 4. Tab until you get to Advanced. 5. Control Tab until you get to Troubleshooting page. 6. Press Tab until you hear Hardware Acceleration and left right slider. 7. Use your left cursor key to reduce Hardware Acceleration to 80%. 7. Tab to OK and keep on pressing OK to close display settings. NB some video drivers insert their own troubleshooting tab under display but I have found it better to use
Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws in System Tray
On Monday, October 08, 2007 4:32 AM [GMT+1=CET], Patricia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don't put jaws in your sys-tray does this mean when you alt tab your going to run into it that way? Don't know if I really caught what you are looking for, but by default JAWS is actually shown in an application window when 'alttabbing' to that window. Can you have jaws start up without it in the systems tray and without it showing up when you alt tab between applications? When being in the JAWS window, press the ALT key, when the Options menu will appear, and then arrow once to the right to open the Options tree view. The first option in the tree view should be 'Basics...'. Press Enter and tab to 'Run JAWS from System Tray' and check it by pressing the Space key. Then press Enter, close JAWS like other applications with ALT + F4 and restart it. Now JAWS shouldn't appear as an application window on your screen anymore. Was it that what you were looking for? Best regards, -- Jyrki Voutilainen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype ID: jvoutila Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JAWS-Users] Asus Laptop and Video Intercept Manager
** A copy of this message will be sent to the person involved. ** Hello everybody! As a very new member of this list I would ask you sincerely what to do in a case as follows: A friend of mine purchased an Asus laptop after finding HP bad because the lack of the On/Off button for the touch pad, which has been on earlier HP models. I told him that despite the possibility to turn the touch pad on and off from the control panel, the opportunity to do this from a physical button also is quite important particularly for a blind user like him and myself. So far so good, but the JAWS installation caused *serious* problems after restarting, or trying to restart the system: it caused a video intercept incompatibility message and a blue screen situation, and because of loss of any sighted assistance at the moment I worsened the situation by retrying to start the system over again. And now, very recently before the writing moment of that message, it became clear to me what caused the total crash of the system, which could probably have been avoided if I'd had sighted assistance at the *critical* moment, not afterwords. As a first aid method I asked my friend to contact mr. Ville Lamminen, who is working for the Finnish local dealer for JAWS at http://www.aviris.fi/, and as a second aid method I'll send this mail to that list, because I've *never* been in a situation like that particular one before. My question after the description above is simply: Should a compability problem with the display adapter cause a situation like this? Shouldn't the system start anyway, and shouldn't JAWS still be able to speak and inform about the compatibility problem? Yours sincerely, -- Jyrki Voutilainen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype ID: jvoutila Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following form in order to contact the management team http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
