[JOYnet] my comments on the hail mary of a protestant
Hi Joynetters, This in response to the mail my dear friend sheril has put across.. I have to agree with her in some points ...but there are some disagreements too.. firstly salvation is gods free gift..his to give to whomever he chooses.. this salvation is thru jesus alone. And as sheril pointed out ,mary is our guide on the way to jesus. remember Don Bosco's statement " To Jesus Through Mary". Mary has been and still is the best christian evangelist around..just see the number of peopel who have been led to christ thruogh her.. As the protestant movement progessed down the years they became down-right anti catholic just to show that they are different.. They criticized anything and everything that they found being practised in the catholic church. Hence their first target was Devotion to Mary...but this is not the only thing.. they target the eucahrist, the real presence of jesus in the eucharist and other such more critical truths. Since devotion to Mary is a very popular means of practised christianity among catholics..their targeting of this devotion is maximum and their criticism tends to be extreme.. thus the reactions of the catholics to the protestants are also extreme and lead to publications of stories like these. i have read of autobiographies of protestants who have come to understand catholic faith by reading of the scriptures and by their devotion to Mary. But this story i personally feel is a make believe story.. i dont feel something like this has happened to this so called fr. tuckwell.. thsi story sounds too textbookish to be true.. I dont need to read such stories to believe in the motherly love of mary for each one of us.. Cause i know and experience it first hand in my life and so do so many of our fellow joynetters.. But for those of us who do not know her due to our upbringing..i do not condemn or judge .. i cannot and shouldnot.. Marthomites are seperated brethren(sorry to use that word but that is official lingo..) who are not classified as protestants but are part of the Orthodox churches owing allegiance to the patriach instead of the pope.. This is teh only major difference between them and the catholic church...So in terms of belief they are as catholic as any roman catholic. Even they are targets for attack by protestants and the neo-fundamentalist christians who have sprung up nowadays.. I would therfore suggest to sheril and to my other friends who were offended that they not look at the story but at the arguments posed in the story.. they are biblical and point to the special role mary plays in our lives.. It is upto us to accept her help or not.. when we close our eyes , we are in darkness but that doesnt mean the day has turned to night ... the day still remains day...for others.. same way ..mary is the mother of christ who is God and on the cross he gave her to be mother of all his beloved disciples.. it was when john accepted her and took her to his home that he felt her presence and personal love as a mother.. when we accept her as per jesus's command as our mother..we will feel the personal love she has for us.. Love and Prayers Ravi Mumbai sheril daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: dear friends, i am very hurt by this story. i have read it on joynet before. for obvious reasons i find this story very prejudiced. this person is portrayed as a hero, well and good. and yes, it is a story promoting intercession thru mother mary. well and good. but what gives this man the right to condemn the faith of the protestant church? is he a priest? then he should know that salvation is through our lord Jesus Christ. i am a marthomite. hence i suppose i would be classified under the "protestant" group of churches. one "separated from the true church of christ founded on the rock (Peter) and against whom the gates of hell shall never prevail" as quoted in the story. I AM SORRY, BUT I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT! as marthomites we believe in salvation through Jesus Christ. He died for each one of us on the cross. He shed His blood for my sins. He was whipped for my sicknesses. He suffered so that i would be saved. if this is the basis of a church (besides catholic church) i don't see why that church would be "separate! d" from christ. i don't believe that as a marthomite, i am in any way less entitled ot the kindom of God than a catholic based on whether i pray to mary or not. there are differences in some beliefs, yes. like in our church we do not intercede thru mother mary. but we do revere her as a holy mother. we do not think of her as an ordinary woman. no. but where in the bible does it say that if u don't pray to mther mary you will not go to heaven? see, i'm not saying one church is right or another is wrong. it is not up to me to condemn any religion either. Jesus said that true religion is looking after widows and orphans. the religious culture, the laws of the church, the ceremonies, the way in which ppl pray, these are no
Re: [JOYnet] Re: the hail mary of a protestant
dear friends in christ, i find it surprisinf that anyone should feel offended by the story the hail mary of a protestant ,it only reinststates the truth,the catholic church alone is the ark of salvation founded by JESUS CHRIST,the catholic church is the only way to salvation,all those separate from her are heretics and schismatics,this was solemnly proclaimed by the church time and again most recently in the vatican document DOMINUS IESUS by cardinal ratzinger,the document even says that protestants,or orthodox or marthomites or whatever else theyre called cant be churches in the true sense of the term,all those who leave the church imperil their own salvation,these days we seem to have a false ecumenism which shamelessly embraces the dissident churches , the true purpose of ecumenism is to lead them to the one true church i,e the catholic church and also regarding marys role in our salvation st.montfort the greatest exponent of marian devotion says that without believing in the marian dogmas one cannot be saved i suppose you know that the marian truths are solemnly defined as dogmas by the church the church teaches that it is essential to believe in dogmas to be saved and the marian dogmas are as follows 1.mary mother of god 2.mary perrrpetual virgin 3.immaculate conception 4.assumption millions of people are petitioning the holy father to proclaim the fifth marian dogma i,e mary,s role as our co-redemptrice famous petionaries included mother teresa, cardinal o connor of new york,and our own cardinal padiyara for more info go to www.voxpouli.org IN CHRIST r.sandeep joseph chennai >From: sheril daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [JOYnet] Re: the hail mary of a protestant >Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:27:43 -0700 (PDT) > >dear friends, >i am very hurt by this story. >i have read it on joynet before. for obvious reasons i find this story very >prejudiced. this person is portrayed as a hero, well and good. and yes, it >is a story promoting intercession thru mother mary. well and good. but what >gives this man the right to condemn the faith of the protestant church? is >he a priest? then he should know that salvation is through our lord Jesus >Christ. i am a marthomite. hence i suppose i would be classified under the >"protestant" group of churches. one "separated from the true church of >christ founded on the rock (Peter) and against whom the gates of hell shall >never prevail" as quoted in the story. I AM SORRY, BUT I REFUSE TO BELIEVE >THAT! as marthomites we believe in salvation through Jesus Christ. He died >for each one of us on the cross. He shed His blood for my sins. He was >whipped for my sicknesses. He suffered so that i would be saved. if this is >the basis of a church (besides catholic church) i don't see why that church >would be "separate! >d" from christ. i don't believe that as a marthomite, i am in any way less >entitled ot the kindom of God than a catholic based on whether i pray to >mary or not. >there are differences in some beliefs, yes. like in our church we do not >intercede thru mother mary. but we do revere her as a holy mother. we do >not think of her as an ordinary woman. no. but where in the bible does it >say that if u don't pray to mther mary you will not go to heaven? see, i'm >not saying one church is right or another is wrong. it is not up to me to >condemn any religion either. Jesus said that true religion is looking after >widows and orphans. the religious culture, the laws of the church, the >ceremonies, the way in which ppl pray, these are not the most important >things. what is most important is whetehr you have accepted Jesus as your >personal saviour or not. everything else is there to lead u to him not to >condemn other churches. even praying to mother mary. is she there to take >the importance or is she there to guide children to Jesus? i like to think >it is the latter. maybe it is difficult for some catholics to accept the >fact that as christians, God is! > not looking at what church one comes from, what background one has, or >what way one prays. He is looking at the heart. do you have Jesus in there >or not. i am not saying that protestants are not always biased against >catholics. we are the generation that has to change all of this bitching >and bickering between both churches. as christians we are one. if that is >not the attitude that u have, then that must change first. i am not a >catholic but the reason why i am in joynet is not because i want to be a >catholic. but it is because i am a young christian who wants fellowship >with other such christians. > >in Jesus > >sheril daniel > >grahamstown, south africa > > > > > >The Hail Mary of a Protestant >(A true story) > >A little
[JOYnet] About Sheril's mail
Hi all, I read , Sheril Daniel's mail with interest. But is the Catholic Church one among the lot? After the explicit clarification by the Holy See, "Dominus Jesus", there should be no doubt. See the link http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_2806_dominus-iesus_en.html and go through the topic IV. UNICITY AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH. Eventhough it may hurt the feelings of our separate bretheren, one must uphold firmly the truth that, the Catholic Church is the One Church. I am reminded of a story about Bl.John XXIII.The story is told that, when it was announced that Protestant leaders would be invited to the council ( Vatican II ) as observers, the conservative Cardinal Ottaviani was horrified. He said: "But Your Holiness, Protestants are heretics!" "Do not say, 'heretics,' my son. Say, 'separated brethren.'" "They are in league with the devil!" "Do not say, 'devil,' my son. Say, 'separated angel.'" Love Alphus Pathrose, Kochi, India. LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Shouldn't we pray
Hello Joynet Friends, I am from Cochin, Kerala, India. These days I am mostly at my parents' house in the village, Kumbalanghi. The evenings are quite relaxed, with a long dip in the pond and sometimes a walk near the river side. At about 9pm I spend quite some time in intercession. I pray for Jesus Youth all over, especially those with responsibilities in it and those who have asked for prayer. I remember Joynetters and many faces in it and it goes on, International JY conference in Canada, the Rex Band trip, etc are uppermost in my mind. But one intention comes back to my mind again and again, that is, the need for urgent prayer for priests. "The harvest is plentiful . . . . Pray the Lord of the harvest . . " (Mt. 9: 37) Let me share some of my thoughts so that a few of you readers may respond. We have to pray for priests. Priesthood, I believe, is a wonderful invention of the Holy Spirit. I think of many great priests I know, some of them in this network, Joynet. Some Bishops are very close to my heart. I very well know that one priest alive in Spirit is indeed a mighty force for the building up of the Kingdom. All over the world a great number of priests are doing this wonderful work of God, and we have to pray for Priests. "I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word" (Jn. 17: 20). When I hear about failures in the life of some priest, I again say we have to pray for priests. They are called for a big mission and they have responded. They were set apart and were given support and training. But they are from among us and need our support. While talking to a big group of priests two weeks back, one of them was sharing from his heart, 'Sir, don't forget, we are human. We need your love and support'. We have to pray for priests. I dream of a wide network of people who will love the Church, love the priests and earnestly pray for them. "If two of you agree on earth about anything they ask . . ." (Mt. 18:19). I can never do the wonderful amount of God's work that any single priest does. (Though sometimes some priests tell us that many of us Jesus Youth do much more than any of them, I believe that our effectiveness comes from our sharing of the work of these priests.) Even if I cannot work like a prist, I can surely have a share of the abundant graces of priesthood by loving and praying for priests. "He who receives a prophet because he is a prophet shall recieve a prophet's reward. . . even a cup of cold water . . shall not lose his reward." (Mt. 10:41). I don't have a complete idea, but we must have a network to specifically PRAY FOR PRIESTS. There has to be certain things that (i) each one in this network should do and (ii) certain things they do together as a body of intercessors. (i) Individually, - Daily take time to remember priests with love and pray for them. => I remember priests in general and then specifically think of the priests I know and life them to the Eternal Priest. And then I say a decade of the rosary for them. - Love and respect priest. => I greatly value my relationship with priests. It is a great thing to know a priest. There is an age-old custom of kissing the hand of a priest. At times it is a little embarrassing, but I take great joy in kissing the hand of some of them. - Try not to spread bad news about priesthood rather spread inspirational tidings. - Collaborate in whatever way possible with the good things that priests are doing. and more . . (ii) as a network called PRAY FOR PRIESTS, would some of you like to give some ideas for me. So, do pray for priests, Eddy/Cochin/ India This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Pray for Regin and Saji's father.
Dear All, Regin is going for Brain surgery for the, I do not know how many, time. He is a teenager and I think he has a growth in his brain. He is the only child of his parents. Even though, he had problems for a very long time, his faith and trust are unbelievable. He is all smiles all the time. Please pray for him. Also pray for our dear Saji's father who may have cancer. Saji spends all his time for the JYA and so, Jesus has to spend some time for his father. Yours in Jesus, Mary and Joseph, Kurian Uncle PS: Please remember to pray for 5 minutes for the Rex Band programs in the USA and the WYD. This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Birthday Notification !!!
Hi Friends These are the birthday babies of the day (May 17). sheela babu varghese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> aneesh k. thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wishing you a very happy birthday God Bless With Love The JOYnet Family This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] prayer requests
Helloo, Wish you all Joy of Jesus I am trying for a job in Comp field in Dubai for the last 42 days.I can stay here for another 18 days.I believe God will open a door for me, as I keep on knocking doors everyday.I am expecting some interviews in the coming days.Keep me in your valuable prayer. One of my close friend In Mysore,Prasad passed away in an accident last week.I request your earnest prayers for his sorrowing family. Bejoy. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.com Buy Music, Video, CD-ROM, Audio-Books and Music Accessories from http://www.planetm.co.in This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Hi
Hi all I am immigrating to the US next month. My entire family is going (I along with my parents) and we are leaving our sweet home :( and even though I don't like leaving here, I should. I was very busy and we had a lot of trouble for the interview and all the stuff. I still have a lot to do. One sad thing is that I lost my degree. I am(was) final year BCA, but owing to the circumstances, we must go next month. So there was no other way and I quit BCA. Now I have to do it all over again :( I have a lot of work to do so I am unsubscribing for a short time. Please send mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I won't be using this [EMAIL PROTECTED] address anymore. Please don't forget us in your prayers. Bye for now Lijo - Sify Mail - now with Anti-virus protection powered by Trend Micro, USA. Know more at http://mail.sify.com Take the shortest route to success! Click here to know how http://education.sify.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] One spelling mistake.....
Hello, There was one spelling mistake in the previous mail that i sent to all. I wrote in that mail "So the system will be in equilibrium. We can take the whole universe witch is made up of different masses". Please read it as "So the system will be in equilibrium. We can take the whole universe WHICH is made up of different masses". Thanks, God bless you, Braduke.R.R. "Braduke R.R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear brother, > I read your mail. I am happy to know that some body really thinking about > what will happen tomorrow. Congratulations my dear brother. According to my > understanding let me explain how the end will come to this world. You already > got the answer, but let me place in correct order. > We can mainly categorize the duration of today to the end of this whole world > and universe in four parts. > > 1.What will happen to this world. > 2.What will happen to the people in this world. > 3.What will happen to the universe > 4.What will happen to the believers and the believers who died. > > In Matthew 24:4.13 and Mark 13:5.13, Luke 27:25.27 it is explaining what will > happen to this world. Here it is explaining that during the end of the world > we will hear about wars, nation will rise against nation, there will be > famines and earthquakes in various places, many false prophets will appear and > deceive many people etc. And Jesus is telling that this is not the end, but > these are beginning of birth (end of world) pains. This is the first stage. > > Second we can think about what will happen to the people in this world. In one > chapter it is telling that during that time (the same time that i explained > above) because of the poverty, pain and hardness of life, all the people will > search for death to escape, but no one will find it. Dear brother now i am not > remembering this in which chapter it is. (I will let you know later if you > really want to go through that sentence). The people will not get enough food, > will not get employment, there will not be any peace etc. In Revelation 6:6 it > explains the poverty of the people during that time. In extract this world > will become like hell, no peace no food no shelter no security etc. This is > the second stage. > > In Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:24.25, it is explaining what will happen to this > universe. For understanding this i should explain some physics. Do you know > two bodies will attract each other? The force F=(G*M1*M2)/(r*r). M1 and M2 are > the masses of two bodies and r is the distance between them, G is a constant. > This whole universe is in equilibrium with the above force. That means let us > say three masses M1, M2, M3 are there, and these three bodies are attracting > each other. There will be one particular configuration, the system will be in > equilibrium. That means M1 will attract M2, M2 will attract M3, and M3 will > attract M1. So the system will be in equilibrium. We can take the whole > universe witch is made up of different masses. All the planets and everything > is attracting each other. But they are in equilibrium. God fixed everything in > the universe in equilibrium during the creation of universe. Now suppose one > planet escaped from its orbit and hit with some other planet. What will > happen? The mass of the system with two bodies will increase. So the > combination of the mass will pull the near by planet (mass increases force > between them will increase) and the same will come and collide, so the system > mass will increase, and this one will keep on increasing, finally the whole > universe will shrink to one big mass. With this background we can understand > what Jesus told. The planets will hit together and collapse. The first hit may > not be with earth. It may be with some other planets or stars. So if we are > looking from the earth, and stars are hitting together in the sky, what we > will see is, the stars will be falling. In Matthew 24:29 it is telling that > the sun will be darkened. That means the first hit may be sun with another > planet. Because you know sun is having higher weight. So after colliding (or > attracting planet or stars by sun) one by one, the darkness of sun will > increase. Hope u got what i mean. This is the third stage. > > In Matthew 24:30, Mark 13;26 etc it is telling that during this time (the time > at which stars will fall from the sky) the sign of Son of man will appear in > the sky, and the all the nations of the earth will mourn (Mathew 24:30). Now > what will happen to the people in this world? In 1.Thessalonians 4:16.17 it is > telling how we will see Jesus when he will come to this world, and what will > happen to the people in this world. The dead in Christ will rise up first > after that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with > them in the clouds. But before that something will happen to our body. We know > that we have a body, which is dying day by day. There will be a transformation > to our body before
[JOYnet] Re: the hail mary of a protestant
dear friends, i am very hurt by this story. i have read it on joynet before. for obvious reasons i find this story very prejudiced. this person is portrayed as a hero, well and good. and yes, it is a story promoting intercession thru mother mary. well and good. but what gives this man the right to condemn the faith of the protestant church? is he a priest? then he should know that salvation is through our lord Jesus Christ. i am a marthomite. hence i suppose i would be classified under the "protestant" group of churches. one "separated from the true church of christ founded on the rock (Peter) and against whom the gates of hell shall never prevail" as quoted in the story. I AM SORRY, BUT I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT! as marthomites we believe in salvation through Jesus Christ. He died for each one of us on the cross. He shed His blood for my sins. He was whipped for my sicknesses. He suffered so that i would be saved. if this is the basis of a church (besides catholic church) i don't see why that church would be "separate! d" from christ. i don't believe that as a marthomite, i am in any way less entitled ot the kindom of God than a catholic based on whether i pray to mary or not. there are differences in some beliefs, yes. like in our church we do not intercede thru mother mary. but we do revere her as a holy mother. we do not think of her as an ordinary woman. no. but where in the bible does it say that if u don't pray to mther mary you will not go to heaven? see, i'm not saying one church is right or another is wrong. it is not up to me to condemn any religion either. Jesus said that true religion is looking after widows and orphans. the religious culture, the laws of the church, the ceremonies, the way in which ppl pray, these are not the most important things. what is most important is whetehr you have accepted Jesus as your personal saviour or not. everything else is there to lead u to him not to condemn other churches. even praying to mother mary. is she there to take the importance or is she there to guide children to Jesus? i like to think it is the latter. maybe it is difficult for some catholics to accept the fact that as christians, God is! not looking at what church one comes from, what background one has, or what way one prays. He is looking at the heart. do you have Jesus in there or not. i am not saying that protestants are not always biased against catholics. we are the generation that has to change all of this bitching and bickering between both churches. as christians we are one. if that is not the attitude that u have, then that must change first. i am not a catholic but the reason why i am in joynet is not because i want to be a catholic. but it is because i am a young christian who wants fellowship with other such christians. in Jesus sheril daniel grahamstown, south africa The Hail Mary of a Protestant (A true story) A little six-year-old Protestant boy had often heard his Catholic companions reciting the prayer "Hail Mary." He like it so much that he copied it,memorized it and would recite it every day. "Look, Mommy, what a beautiful prayer," he said to his mother one day. "Never again say it," answered the mother. "It is a superstitious prayer of Catholics who adore idols and think Mary a goddess. After all, she is a woman like any other. Come on, take this Bible and read it. It contains everything that we are bound to do and have to do." From that day on the little boy discontinued his daily "Hail Mary" and gave himself more time to reading the Bible instead. One day, while reading the Gospel, he came across the passage about the Annunciation of the Angel to Our Lady. Full of joy, the little boy ran to his mother and said: "Mommy, I have found the 'Hail Mary' in the Bible which says: 'Hail full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women.' Why do you call it a superstitious prayer?" On another occasion he found that beautiful Salutation of St. Elizabeth to the Virgin Mary and the wonderful canticle MAGNIFICAT in which Mary foretold that "the generations would call her blessed."He said no more about it to his mother but started to recite the "Hail Mary" every day as before. He felt pleasure in addressing those charming words to the Mother of Jesus, our Savior. When he was fourteen, he one day heard a discussion on Our Lady among the members of his family. Every one said that Mary was a common woman like any other woman. The boy, after listening to their erroneous reasoning could not bear it any longer, and full of indignation, he interrupted them,saying: "Mary is not like any other children of Adam, stained with sin.No! The Angel called her FULL OF GRACE AND BLESSED AMONGST WOMEN. Mary is the Mother of Jesus Christ and consequently Mother of God. There is no higher dignity to which a creature can be raised. The Gospel says that the generations will proclaim her blessed and you are trying t
[JOYnet] hi everybody!
hi everybody-so sorry i kinda did the disappearing act-actually i didnt really have much net-access cuz i'd gone home for the hols so i'd mailed an "unsubscribe me" with all the recent news from my rediff id because my hotmail wasnt working.Only today when i checked my mails i found out that the rediff msg wasnt accepted because it wasnt part of the joynet list. anyway hope ur all keeping well by the grace of God.Thank yu all so much for ur prayers-i dont really know all my marks yet but i do know that i cleared everything!God really worked amazingly with me during my exams-its so much easier when u hand it all over to Him instead of worrying about it! Oh another thing -pls pray for my final year project work-i'll be leaving for Madras tomorrow night for that.We're a group of six and we still havent decided whether to do it in a hosp called K.J Hospital or with a Philips dealer(whom my friend is in very good terms with)-and to top it all,we still havent got any proper accomodation for 2 of my roomates as well as for me! Well i guess that's about it from here.God bless you all! lotsa luv and prayers shija (coimbatore) p.s. Shobith-i'll try call u up tonight but dont wait for it cuz i'm not sure whether i'll be able to! _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Pray for Priests
Hello friends, I am following with great interest all your thoughts about 'Pray for Priests'. A few of you wrote to me presonally and others to Joynet. Many of them are really touching. Abraham mentions Nelson's mail but I did not see it. My connection was down for a couple of days and may be I missed it. I am also seeking the Lords will to see if we should do something in a more organised way, and if so in what concrete ways. Share your thoughts in that line also. My diocese got into nasty trap early this week. Those of you who watch the media in this area will remember the furore over the 'rain dance' and the TV image of a priest walking around at the tourism promotion fete with a glass. Afterwards I got invoved a little bit to help them sort out the mess, and I said once again we have to PRAY FOR PRIESTS and that too very earnestly. Eddy/Cochin/S. India - Original Message - From: Josh Folks To: JOYnet Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 5:45 PM Subject: RE: [JOYnet] Pray for Priests Hello! When I read Eddy chettan's mail it was wake up call for me. Now I make a point to pray for the priests. Ever since Josun put his feedback on this issue I wanted to share my vies in this matter. But then I was a little worried about it as it was a kind of confession I had to make. But after reading Nelson's mail now I feel I should not keep it back. So here is what I got to share in this discussion. This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [JOYnet] Pray for Priests
Hello! When I read Eddy chettan's mail it was wake up call for me. Now I make a point to pray for the priests. Ever since Josun put his feedback on this issue I wanted to share my vies in this matter. But then I was a little worried about it as it was a kind of confession I had to make. But after reading Nelson's mail now I feel I should not keep it back. So here is what I got to share in this discussion. I think it was in 1997 when I came to Fujairah that I got a feeling that Jesus was calling me to serve. By then as Josun and Nelson pointed out from their lives I had got into the worldly desires and I reasoned myself that I will not be able to be a good priest. So I ignored it. Then on a Friday this uncle in the church who gives scripture readings came to me and asked if I could do the first reading. I had never done it before but still agreed. I remember the passage I got for reading. It was Isaiah chapter 6 verses 1-8 Isaiah 6 1 In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high andexalted, and the train of his robe filled the temple. 2 Above him were seraphs, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying. 3 And they were calling to one another: "Holy, holy, holy is the LORD Almighty; the whole earth is full of his glory." 4 At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook and the temple was filled with smoke. 5 "Woe to me!" I cried. "I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the LORD Almighty." 6 Then one of the seraphs flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had takenwith tongs from the altar. 7 With it he touched my mouth and said, "See, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and your sin atoned for." 8 Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" - As I was reading it out to the congregation and it struck me again that the Lord is calling me for his service, especially when I read the last line "Here am I. Send me". I ignored it again and ended up finally as a family man. I am not sad about it but I got to tell you all that family life not all that what you see from the outside, it is tough to live a good and Godly married life with its benefits of being loved and raising up children. I srongly feel that everyone of us should pray also for the youth who are fighting between the call of the world and that of the Lord along with the prayers for priests who got to fight the same battle. I still remember vaguely the lines in some novena of prayer which went " Lord protect your calls of the young" ( yuva janangalude dhaiva vili kaathukollane). Regards and prayers Abraham Fujairah / UAE. This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Pray for Priests
Dear joy netters, Edychettans article regarding the need of prayer for priests, stirred my memories. May be I also felt a little heaviness in my heart same as josun. Yes priests are the wonderful gift from god. Whenever I remember our dearest palliyachan I used to thank god for his beautiful gift of priest hood. There is no doubt that we should pray for them and love them so that our prayers and love make them strong. In my child hood I had very strong desire to become a priest. But gods plan was different and now I am a married man. I lost my father when I was 5 years old. So I dont have too much memories of my father. But my mother used to say that my parents had a great desire to make me a priest. One of my childhood play was enacting the priest and saying the mass by collecting my friends. When I was in second slandered my class teacher asked us that what we like to going to become. I said I want to become a priest. Then she was happy and she encouraged me. Even all my relatives and neighbors believed that I would become a priest one day. But when I entered into teenage I found the sexual urge with in me and realized that I am unworthy to the holy priesthood. After my 10th std. My mother asked me whether I want to join seminary, I said no and give the reason that I want to take the responsibility of my mother and younger sister. Yes these are all my old stories. After my marriage I said to my wife that we must have 4-5 children and let us start the prayer that some of our children May become consecrated for god. God plans everything. We can only hope for. Till now we are waiting for a child. We are sure in his time god will give us children. You know regarding the parents of little flower? St.Teresas father martin was an ex- seminarian. Her mother celine was also a convent return. Martin and Celine had a great desire for religious life. But gods decision was deferent. One of their children becomes a great saint in the church. Same case is regarding St.Francis of Assisi. His mother pica had a strong desire for religious life. But her parents didnt allow her for such a life and she happened to be married to Bernardine, a merchant. But her son Francis entered into religious life and still now he is giving inspiration to thousands of people in the world. So let us pray that our Jesus youth families be grow in holiness, so that not only it produce vocation but also offer little saints for our church. May god bless you all Your brother in Jesus Nelson Abel Turaif, Saudi Arabia. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [[JOYnet] Doubt-- Please clarify]
Dear brother, I read your mail. I am happy to know that some body really thinking about what will happen tomorrow. Congratulations my dear brother. According to my understanding let me explain how the end will come to this world. You already got the answer, but let me place in correct order. We can mainly categorize the duration of today to the end of this whole world and universe in four parts. 1.What will happen to this world. 2.What will happen to the people in this world. 3.What will happen to the universe 4.What will happen to the believers and the believers who died. In Matthew 24:4.13 and Mark 13:5.13, Luke 27:25.27 it is explaining what will happen to this world. Here it is explaining that during the end of the world we will hear about wars, nation will rise against nation, there will be famines and earthquakes in various places, many false prophets will appear and deceive many people etc. And Jesus is telling that this is not the end, but these are beginning of birth (end of world) pains. This is the first stage. Second we can think about what will happen to the people in this world. In one chapter it is telling that during that time (the same time that i explained above) because of the poverty, pain and hardness of life, all the people will search for death to escape, but no one will find it. Dear brother now i am not remembering this in which chapter it is. (I will let you know later if you really want to go through that sentence). The people will not get enough food, will not get employment, there will not be any peace etc. In Revelation 6:6 it explains the poverty of the people during that time. In extract this world will become like hell, no peace no food no shelter no security etc. This is the second stage. In Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:24.25, it is explaining what will happen to this universe. For understanding this i should explain some physics. Do you know two bodies will attract each other? The force F=(G*M1*M2)/(r*r). M1 and M2 are the masses of two bodies and r is the distance between them, G is a constant. This whole universe is in equilibrium with the above force. That means let us say three masses M1, M2, M3 are there, and these three bodies are attracting each other. There will be one particular configuration, the system will be in equilibrium. That means M1 will attract M2, M2 will attract M3, and M3 will attract M1. So the system will be in equilibrium. We can take the whole universe witch is made up of different masses. All the planets and everything is attracting each other. But they are in equilibrium. God fixed everything in the universe in equilibrium during the creation of universe. Now suppose one planet escaped from its orbit and hit with some other planet. What will happen? The mass of the system with two bodies will increase. So the combination of the mass will pull the near by planet (mass increases force between them will increase) and the same will come and collide, so the system mass will increase, and this one will keep on increasing, finally the whole universe will shrink to one big mass. With this background we can understand what Jesus told. The planets will hit together and collapse. The first hit may not be with earth. It may be with some other planets or stars. So if we are looking from the earth, and stars are hitting together in the sky, what we will see is, the stars will be falling. In Matthew 24:29 it is telling that the sun will be darkened. That means the first hit may be sun with another planet. Because you know sun is having higher weight. So after colliding (or attracting planet or stars by sun) one by one, the darkness of sun will increase. Hope u got what i mean. This is the third stage. In Matthew 24:30, Mark 13;26 etc it is telling that during this time (the time at which stars will fall from the sky) the sign of Son of man will appear in the sky, and the all the nations of the earth will mourn (Mathew 24:30). Now what will happen to the people in this world? In 1.Thessalonians 4:16.17 it is telling how we will see Jesus when he will come to this world, and what will happen to the people in this world. The dead in Christ will rise up first after that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds. But before that something will happen to our body. We know that we have a body, which is dying day by day. There will be a transformation to our body before we caught in clouds. Means we will get a body, which will not dye day by day. It will be like sparkling one, it will be radiating light. I can imagine that but dear brother i don't know how to explain it. It will be something like a body with full of brightness. The same thing lost from Adam and Eve when they did sin. This one is explaining in 1.Corinthinas 15:51.55. That one is self explanatory, please read that. This is the fourth stage. Now what we will do in heaven or what is there in heaven. It is explaining in Matthew 22:30.31, Mark 12:25.2
