Re: III on [JOYnet] Get up from the laps of Delilah! - Please Remember
Dear JYs... Let us first keep in mind that in Joynet in any discussion you are supposed to address the Topic rather than carrying out any scathing attack on the writer of such topic. We are all free to base our views here however contradictory they may be. If u feel that such views are not in what u term as your best regard then u are always free to mail your views. However if u want to address the person personally u can do so at his personal mailing address. u've got that freedom as well. Another thing is think twice before you quote scriptures regarding any context. Scriptures were written for a purpose. If every1 deciphers it according to his own whims it can lead to a lot of confusion. urs in faith Jason Mumbai, India Discussion is an Exchange of Knowledge Arguments is an Exchange of Ignorance - Original Message - From: Wilson Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Ravi Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:52 PM Subject: Re: III on [JOYnet] Get up from the laps of Delilah! > Ravi, > > You have not fully understood what Dexon wrote. He is thinking the moral > side from the society and you about your own desire. This is very clear when > you wrote: > > > What we are saying here is that whether u r falling in love or doing > anything.. > > do it with Christ as the centre of ur relationship.. > > Are you sure?? > Can you give this same advice to your son, daughter, sister, wife or ..? > It is like saying if Church sell "Arrack", drinking is not a sin. > This is an immature advice (may be immoral advice) to JoyNet! > > Jesus Youth are youths listening to Jesus not the worldly advice. Jesus said > "For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But > he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life." > > Hei, Jesus Youth, listen to Jesus, not the world! "So be careful, or your > hearts will be loaded down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this > life, and that day will come on you suddenly." (Luke 21:34) > > A simple question! > What is adultery? Why adultery a sin? > Is it is because you are paying for it, or because it is illegal? > If it is illegal, then what is legal? What is illegal? > Love is divine. Sex and passion are gifts from God. "Live joyfully with the > wife whom you love all the days of your life of vanity, which he has given > you under the sun, all your days of vanity: for that is your portion in > life, and in your labor in which you labor under the sun" (Ecc 9/9) > > Here is a good advice for youth in Bible: (Ecc 11/9-10) > > "Rejoice, young man, in your youth, > And let your heart cheer you in the days of your youth, > And walk in the ways of your heart, > And in the sight of your eyes; > But know that for all these things God will bring you into judgment. > Therefore remove sorrow from your heart, > And put away evil from your flesh; > For youth and the dawn of life are vanity." > > JY, let us not reap sin from the flesh, but eternal life from the Spirit. > > Wilson Thomas > Singapore > > - Original Message - > From: "Ravi Vaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:01 PM > Subject: my comments-II on [JOYnet] Get up from the laps of Delilah! > > > > Dear Joynetters, > > Firstly.. Jesus has never said " falling in love is wrong.".. at least it > is not mentioned anywhere I know.. > > So please refrain from attributing too many things to jesus.. > > Poor jesus..HE has become everybodies favourite Bakra.( sacrificial lamb) > ( pun intended) There are so many peopel who do their own stuff and then > when things go wrong.. they say.." It was Gods Will.." > > We are then abusing God's name.. > > What we are saying here is that whether u r falling in love or doing > anything..do it with christ as the centre of ur relationship.. > > U cannot say that we should not fall in love.. it is sinful.. etc. > > Loving another person is a totally human emotion.. if we dont have it.. or > we pretend not to have it..we are negating our humanness and thus insulting > the god who made us so and gave us these emotions.. > > That is a sin.. > > Another point is that our focus should not be sin or satan... > > Our focus should be christ... > > Many christians are so caught up with the whole concept of sin and satan.. > that they fail to look beyond it..to jesus who saves us from sin.. > > For them everything is either sin or not sin...
Re: III on [JOYnet] Get up from the laps of Delilah!
Ravi, You have not fully understood what Dexon wrote. He is thinking the moral side from the society and you about your own desire. This is very clear when you wrote: > What we are saying here is that whether u r falling in love or doing anything.. > do it with Christ as the centre of ur relationship.. Are you sure?? Can you give this same advice to your son, daughter, sister, wife or ..? It is like saying if Church sell "Arrack", drinking is not a sin. This is an immature advice (may be immoral advice) to JoyNet! Jesus Youth are youths listening to Jesus not the worldly advice. Jesus said "For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life." Hei, Jesus Youth, listen to Jesus, not the world! "So be careful, or your hearts will be loaded down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that day will come on you suddenly." (Luke 21:34) A simple question! What is adultery? Why adultery a sin? Is it is because you are paying for it, or because it is illegal? If it is illegal, then what is legal? What is illegal? Love is divine. Sex and passion are gifts from God. "Live joyfully with the wife whom you love all the days of your life of vanity, which he has given you under the sun, all your days of vanity: for that is your portion in life, and in your labor in which you labor under the sun" (Ecc 9/9) Here is a good advice for youth in Bible: (Ecc 11/9-10) "Rejoice, young man, in your youth, And let your heart cheer you in the days of your youth, And walk in the ways of your heart, And in the sight of your eyes; But know that for all these things God will bring you into judgment. Therefore remove sorrow from your heart, And put away evil from your flesh; For youth and the dawn of life are vanity." JY, let us not reap sin from the flesh, but eternal life from the Spirit. Wilson Thomas Singapore - Original Message - From: "Ravi Vaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:01 PM Subject: my comments-II on [JOYnet] Get up from the laps of Delilah! > Dear Joynetters, > Firstly.. Jesus has never said " falling in love is wrong.".. at least it is not mentioned anywhere I know.. > So please refrain from attributing too many things to jesus.. > Poor jesus..HE has become everybodies favourite Bakra.( sacrificial lamb) ( pun intended) There are so many peopel who do their own stuff and then when things go wrong.. they say.." It was Gods Will.." > We are then abusing God's name.. > What we are saying here is that whether u r falling in love or doing anything..do it with christ as the centre of ur relationship.. > U cannot say that we should not fall in love.. it is sinful.. etc. > Loving another person is a totally human emotion.. if we dont have it.. or we pretend not to have it..we are negating our humanness and thus insulting the god who made us so and gave us these emotions.. > That is a sin.. > Another point is that our focus should not be sin or satan... > Our focus should be christ... > Many christians are so caught up with the whole concept of sin and satan.. that they fail to look beyond it..to jesus who saves us from sin.. > For them everything is either sin or not sin... .thats all.. > Which is a very negative way of christianity.. > to be a christian is to be a follower of christ..which is more than just avoiding sin.. > If avoiding sin is the only thing we are called to do... then we should just keep sleeping the whole day.. i mean, eat, drink , sleep.. > Then there will be no chance of commiting sin.. ;-) > The fact that we are just doing nothing else but eat, drink, sleep is also a sin.. a sin of ommision.. sin of not doing what we are called to do... > SO we see that whatever we do.. there is a posibility of error and a possibility of sin.. > That doesnt mean we avoid doing it... > > for example.. we know that when we light a gas or a stove there is a chance of it blasting.. that doesnt mean we stop using it to cook food and eat raw meat and vegetables > .. > Instead we use it with the neccesary precautions.. > That is what we are called to do even in our spiritual life..the lord has given us a conscience and his law of love in our hearts.. we have to learn to use them andput them into practice.. > Love and Prayers > Ravi > > dexon john netto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Dear friendss, > > If jesus is saying somthing is wrong then it is perfectly wrong... > > We are witnesses for many prayer group ceased due to the so called "Love > affairs"...And many stories we heared about youngsters who loose the > morale due to these.In the western countries it is a culture
my comments-II on [JOYnet] Get up from the laps of Delilah!
Dear Joynetters, Firstly.. Jesus has never said " falling in love is wrong.".. at least it is not mentioned anywhere I know.. So please refrain from attributing too many things to jesus.. Poor jesus..HE has become everybodies favourite Bakra.( sacrificial lamb) ( pun intended) There are so many peopel who do their own stuff and then when things go wrong.. they say.." It was Gods Will.." We are then abusing God's name.. What we are saying here is that whether u r falling in love or doing anything..do it with christ as the centre of ur relationship.. U cannot say that we should not fall in love.. it is sinful.. etc. Loving another person is a totally human emotion.. if we dont have it.. or we pretend not to have it..we are negating our humanness and thus insulting the god who made us so and gave us these emotions.. That is a sin.. Another point is that our focus should not be sin or satan... Our focus should be christ... Many christians are so caught up with the whole concept of sin and satan.. that they fail to look beyond it..to jesus who saves us from sin.. For them everything is either sin or not sin... .thats all.. Which is a very negative way of christianity.. to be a christian is to be a follower of christ..which is more than just avoiding sin.. If avoiding sin is the only thing we are called to do... then we should just keep sleeping the whole day.. i mean, eat, drink , sleep.. Then there will be no chance of commiting sin.. ;-) The fact that we are just doing nothing else but eat, drink, sleep is also a sin.. a sin of ommision.. sin of not doing what we are called to do... SO we see that whatever we do.. there is a posibility of error and a possibility of sin.. That doesnt mean we avoid doing it... for example.. we know that when we light a gas or a stove there is a chance of it blasting.. that doesnt mean we stop using it to cook food and eat raw meat and vegetables .. Instead we use it with the neccesary precautions.. That is what we are called to do even in our spiritual life..the lord has given us a conscience and his law of love in our hearts.. we have to learn to use them andput them into practice.. Love and Prayers Ravi dexon john netto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Dear friendss, If jesus is saying somthing is wrong then it is perfectly wrong... We are witnesses for many prayer group ceased due to the so called "Love affairs"...And many stories we heared about youngsters who loose the morale due to these.In the western countries it is a culture and it is coming its way to India too .Who can be happy to see the yougters moving in cities changes their views and trying to be "modern" loosing hteir values.How many parents are worried about their children loosing their ways.We are eager to devour it while the western countries are aware of its badeffects.I am not speaking with a theological/philosophical knowledge,but it is a cry of everysoul not to do anything that take away jesus from it. Samson worried much about his deed but not Delilah. SO if there is one percentage possilbily of Sin ,...then you decide...to choose or not to.. keep in touch Love from Jesus & Dexon.(S`pore) Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] === - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
Re: my comments on [JOYnet] Get up from the laps of Delilah!
Dear friendss, If jesus is saying somthing is wrong then it is perfectly wrong... We are witnesses for many prayer group ceased due to the so called "Love affairs"...And many stories we heared about youngsters who loose the morale due to these.In the western countries it is a culture and it is coming its way to India too .Who can be happy to see the yougters moving in cities changes their views and trying to be "modern" loosing hteir values.How many parents are worried about their children loosing their ways.We are eager to devour it while the western countries are aware of its badeffects.I am not speaking with a theological/philosophical knowledge,but it is a cry of everysoul not to do anything that take away jesus from it. Samson worried much about his deed but not Delilah. SO if there is one percentage possilbily of Sin ,...then you decide...to choose or not to.. keep in touch Love from Jesus & Dexon.(S`pore) Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
my comments on [JOYnet] Get up from the laps of Delilah!
Hi Joynetters, Shalom... When Jesus Talks about the Narrow -way.. he doesnt talk abt the narrow minded way.. Being in Love with somebody is not a trap or something wrong Manytimes it is gods way of lifting you up when u r down.. But when u stretch this lovely thing called "love" to its extremes... then u " fall".. To avoid that god has given us a head and something in it also..and we are called to use it.. Not every one of us is samson and not every person we love is Delilah.. If we are so narrow minded about it.. it is an insult to our humanness.. Also we have to realise that very special line at the end of this samson delilah episode.. when samson destroys that hall..he kills many more of his enemies than he had killed in his entire lifetime.. So what we have here is a point to note.. "God can write straight on crooked lines ". Even though samson commited a big mistake.. god ensured that his purpose was still served and in a way not expected even by samson or the israelites.. So guys.. just ensure that ur beloved is not delilah who will sell u off.. ;-) and gals just ensure that ur beloved is not samson.. very strong in body.. but very weak in the mind and spirit.. ;-) Ask god for the gift of a person with the right balance.. Only then will your relationship work.. What God Unites Let No Man( Woman) Divide.. A point that came into my mind just now is this.. Have you noticed how the bible is not ashamed of showing the weaker side of its heroes... Be it david, Solomon, Samson..name them.. all of them are shown as humans and not as supermen.. Unlike our Hindi films where the hero is never wrong.. Have you ever asked why it is so? It is very clear . the guys who wrote these books.. didnt want us to concentrate on these human heroes, but more so on the god who uses these heroes inspite of all their faults to fulfill his purpose of salvation.. and is therefore the superhero of them all.. So then let us not come to a halt at samsons and delilah's.. But move beyond and see the god who is still in control .. For us personally ..the lesson is very clear.. We may do mistakes..as big as samson.. people may ditch us and turn against us like delilah.. in our daily lives.. But beyond that is a loving god who is in control and who knows what is best.. Let us trust him then.. with our samsons and with our delilahs..Life will be more wonderful and worth living then.. Love and Prayers Ravi God can write straight even on crooked lines dexon john netto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Dear friends, I am joining Jude. we say about "Fall" in love with somebody .Of course its a trap Jesus Speaks about Narrow way, the way where there is nospace to change direction.This way is directs towards life and there is no possibility to turn left or rightI think we all are supposed to travel thru` this way and not the broadway where there is enough space to go here and there.. Father we pray do not lead us to "fall" into "temptations".Amen [IMAGE]keep in touch[IMAGE] Love from Jesus & Dexon. Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] === - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
Re: [JOYnet] Get up from the laps of Delilah!
Dear friends, I am joining Jude. we say about "Fall" in love with somebody .Ofcourse its a trap Jesus Speaks about Narrow way, the way where there is nospace to change direction.This way is directs towards life and there is no possibility to turn left or rightI think we all are supposed to travel thru` this way and not the broadway where there is enough space to go here and there.. Father we pray do not lead us to "fall" into "temptations".Amen [IMAGE]keep in touch[IMAGE] Love from Jesus & Dexon. Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] Get up from the laps of Delilah!
Fellow Joynetters, The story of Samson and Delilah in Judges 16 is one that requires some moment of sober reflection. Samson the strong who was anointed by God to deliver Israel from the hands of the Philistines sudenly became an object of scorn in Gaza-the capital of Philistine. This great man of God who destroy thousands of Philistines soldiers and posed great threat to their ruling authority sudenly became powerless and incapacitated. What made is so? Delilah! After Samson had met Delilah the Philistine girl whom he loved more than his life and people, the story became a different one. This so called love made Samson the man of God to reveal the source of his strenght to a daughter of his enemies. And eventually,she lured Samson into a deep sleep on her lapse and had his hairs barbed. Samson was subsequently captured by his enemies who had his eyes removed. To make it even worst the great man of God became a grinder and an entertainer of Philistines his enemy. Oh Samson is that how you ended!? It is a pity that this man of God ended this way, but it is much more pitiful for so many who are following the footstep of Samson the strong. There are so many people today who have lost their Christian consecration, anointing and ministry ever since they met some "Delilahs " in thier lives. Who is that person that is the Delilah in your life? who is that man or woman that has held you in bondage in immorality. In the name of prayer partner, follow-up and marriage, so many youths have been deeply involved in fornication, adultry and other immoral acts. No wonder you cannot pray as you use to do before, no wonder you have lost the burden of preaching the good news and now wonder the annointing of God has left your life. Therefore wake up from the laps of that Delilah before she strips you of your strenght. Get up before it becomes too late for you, for this is the day of salvation and the hour to be saved and set free. Thanks. Jude S.C. Asogwa Nigeria __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
