RE: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues!
I think a lot of this just comes from what you are used to or comfortable with. Actually, I never noticed about the ant integration not letting you click on compilation problems. Must be that with incremental compilation, I know the source will compile before I run ant :-). -Original Message- From: Erik Hatcher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 3:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues! Well, its like what Mike said. IntelliJ does literally *everything* I need done, and does it very nicely. I don't need all the plugins, as its out of the box functionality covers it all. I do use jEdit also, from time to time, and adding many of its plugins make it a very nice "IDE". As for the point about Eclipses Ant integratrion being nice, I must take exception. Eclipse has the worst Ant integration of any of the IDE's I have played with (and I evaluated all the major ones for the Ant book). Double-clicking errors in an Ant build in Eclipse does nothing - don't you want to jump to the line of code with an error? Granted, Eclipse does things a bit differently, and puts compile errors in Tasks already for you, so its not truly needed, but I'm not against Eclipse at all. I'm all for it. I just happen to enjoy IntelliJ very much and I work for a place that will pay for it. Erik Thomas Hicks wrote: > Hmmm...I find it hard to be convinced by arguments > like this: it's not as extensible and it costs money...but > it rocks! > -tom > > At 11:13 AM 7/18/2002 -0700, Erik wrote: > >> Nope. >> But it rocks! >> >> Mike Oliver wrote: >> >>> Is IntelliJ as modular and extensible as Eclipse? >>> O >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues!
Well, its like what Mike said. IntelliJ does literally *everything* I need done, and does it very nicely. I don't need all the plugins, as its out of the box functionality covers it all. I do use jEdit also, from time to time, and adding many of its plugins make it a very nice "IDE". As for the point about Eclipses Ant integratrion being nice, I must take exception. Eclipse has the worst Ant integration of any of the IDE's I have played with (and I evaluated all the major ones for the Ant book). Double-clicking errors in an Ant build in Eclipse does nothing - don't you want to jump to the line of code with an error? Granted, Eclipse does things a bit differently, and puts compile errors in Tasks already for you, so its not truly needed, but I'm not against Eclipse at all. I'm all for it. I just happen to enjoy IntelliJ very much and I work for a place that will pay for it. Erik Thomas Hicks wrote: > Hmmm...I find it hard to be convinced by arguments > like this: it's not as extensible and it costs money...but > it rocks! > -tom > > At 11:13 AM 7/18/2002 -0700, Erik wrote: > >> Nope. >> But it rocks! >> >> Mike Oliver wrote: >> >>> Is IntelliJ as modular and extensible as Eclipse? >>> O >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues!
Just a few things... Very smart code completion (no refreshing the database like Netbeans) and autofixes. If you have used VAJ, it's just the same. Incremental compilation - at save, the class is compiled. You can see all errors in a project in the task view. No more edit/compile/debug cycle. Once again very VAJ-like. This is a big one for me. Very nice integrated debugging. Breakpoint, watches, etc. Several plug-ins to do debugging within ejb/web containers are now out there (some free). Very good refactoring support. Rename class, pull up method, drag a class into a new package, and more. Really nice Junit and ant integration. Plug-ins are starting to really show up now (http://eclipse-plugins.2y.net/). Good ones - slime (basic uml from code), All the News (website headlines in a small window), easie + lomboz (two free app server integration plug-ins), x-parrots telnet and more. Soon it's going to be the Emacs of java ides :). Really until you've used it for a while and really played with some of the features, you won't be able to get a good opinion. -Original Message- From: Guy McArthur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 12:05 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues! Could you (and other Eclipsers) elaborate on what components really rock, that is what features specifically? The things I like about NetBeans are: * cvs integration works well * database browser is handy * xml and xsl editing support is very good - thankfully there is an option to disable tree edit as the default mode - one click to check syntax or validate * less overhead than JDeveloper (my former IDE of choice) But even on a relatively fast machine, the Swing UI latency can be annoying. And there doesn't seem to be a simple way to create a jar with all the files in my project: I have to create a new jar and add them one by one. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues!
Could you (and other Eclipsers) elaborate on what components really rock, that is what features specifically? The things I like about NetBeans are: * cvs integration works well * database browser is handy * xml and xsl editing support is very good - thankfully there is an option to disable tree edit as the default mode - one click to check syntax or validate * less overhead than JDeveloper (my former IDE of choice) But even on a relatively fast machine, the Swing UI latency can be annoying. And there doesn't seem to be a simple way to create a jar with all the files in my project: I have to create a new jar and add them one by one. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues!
And all this time I thought Art was doing Pair Programminghis left hand is probably coding a plug in to support the code his right hand is going to need in a few minutes;-)> O At 11:40 AM 7/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >yeah Art can even read his slashdot while he codes. >:-) > >-Original Message- >From: Art Gramlich >To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' >Sent: 7/18/02 11:28 AM >Subject: RE: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues! > >Actually around here the opinions are about 50/50 on which is better. >IntelliJ seems to do nice refactoring and is very speedy for a swing >application. On the other hand, Eclipse is really starting to get there >now. Some of the plug-ins are really amazing. I'd say that by the end >of >the year, there will be no contest. > >-Original Message- >From: Thomas Hicks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:29 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues! > >Hmmm...I find it hard to be convinced by arguments >like this: it's not as extensible and it costs money...but >it rocks! > -tom > >At 11:13 AM 7/18/2002 -0700, Erik wrote: > >Nope. > >But it rocks! > > > >Mike Oliver wrote: > >>Is IntelliJ as modular and extensible as Eclipse? > >>O > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Oliver Chief Technology Officer AppsAsPeers.com 7391 S. Bullrider Ave. Tucson, AZ 85747 520.574.1150 Voice 520.844.1036 Fax - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues!
I consider that Eclipse is more an Extensible Platform than it is an IDE
but IntelliJ, JBuilder...etc are IDEs with varying degrees of extensibility.
For ultimate team productivity in performing specific development tasks
where the extensibility of and availability of Plug Ins is not a factor,
then IntelliJ may be a good choice. Like the early days of "Word Perfect
Rocks" or "Wordstar Rocks" or today replace("%s Rocks", "%s",
"[emacs|vi|...]"), beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
O
At 11:28 AM 7/18/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Actually around here the opinions are about 50/50 on which is better.
>IntelliJ seems to do nice refactoring and is very speedy for a swing
>application. On the other hand, Eclipse is really starting to get there
>now. Some of the plug-ins are really amazing. I'd say that by the end of
>the year, there will be no contest.
>
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>From: Thomas Hicks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:29 AM
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>Hmmm...I find it hard to be convinced by arguments
>like this: it's not as extensible and it costs money...but
>it rocks!
> -tom
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>At 11:13 AM 7/18/2002 -0700, Erik wrote:
> >Nope.
> >But it rocks!
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> >Mike Oliver wrote:
> >>Is IntelliJ as modular and extensible as Eclipse?
> >>O
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RE: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues!
yeah Art can even read his slashdot while he codes. :-) -Original Message- From: Art Gramlich To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: 7/18/02 11:28 AM Subject: RE: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues! Actually around here the opinions are about 50/50 on which is better. IntelliJ seems to do nice refactoring and is very speedy for a swing application. On the other hand, Eclipse is really starting to get there now. Some of the plug-ins are really amazing. I'd say that by the end of the year, there will be no contest. -Original Message- From: Thomas Hicks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues! Hmmm...I find it hard to be convinced by arguments like this: it's not as extensible and it costs money...but it rocks! -tom At 11:13 AM 7/18/2002 -0700, Erik wrote: >Nope. >But it rocks! > >Mike Oliver wrote: >>Is IntelliJ as modular and extensible as Eclipse? >>O - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues!
Actually around here the opinions are about 50/50 on which is better. IntelliJ seems to do nice refactoring and is very speedy for a swing application. On the other hand, Eclipse is really starting to get there now. Some of the plug-ins are really amazing. I'd say that by the end of the year, there will be no contest. -Original Message- From: Thomas Hicks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues! Hmmm...I find it hard to be convinced by arguments like this: it's not as extensible and it costs money...but it rocks! -tom At 11:13 AM 7/18/2002 -0700, Erik wrote: >Nope. >But it rocks! > >Mike Oliver wrote: >>Is IntelliJ as modular and extensible as Eclipse? >>O - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues!
Hmmm...I find it hard to be convinced by arguments like this: it's not as extensible and it costs money...but it rocks! -tom At 11:13 AM 7/18/2002 -0700, Erik wrote: >Nope. >But it rocks! > >Mike Oliver wrote: >>Is IntelliJ as modular and extensible as Eclipse? >>O - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues!
Nope. But it rocks! Mike Oliver wrote: > Is IntelliJ as modular and extensible as Eclipse? > > O > > At 11:02 AM 7/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >> Why not just save yourselves the trouble, and get a license for IDEA >> IntelliJ! :) It's latest greatest version (I'm running their Early >> Access Preview version, not the 2.6 one) and it does XML/DTD >> completion and I've found it much more pleasant than WSAD. >> >> Although, I have not given Eclipse a fair shake, admittedly. And >> certainly Eclipse's price is nice! :) >> >> But I just convinced my team to standardize on IntelliJ. >> >> Erik >> >> >> Lesiecki Nicholas wrote: >> >>> Yep, it was just a matter of getting the folder in the >>> right place. Thanks everyone! >>> Cheers, >>> Nick >>> P.S. While you're waiting for a good XML plugin for >>> Eclipse, use jEdit and it's XML plugin. DtD based >>> code-completion. Nuff said! >>> --- Art Gramlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> The trick is to get the correct things into the >>>> eclipse/plug-ins directory. >>>> I've noticed that some archives already have the plug-ins >>>> directory and >>>> others don't. Just open the zip and take a look. Also >>>> make sure that you >>>> follow any instructions as some plug-ins aren't >>>> immediately visible. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> >>>> Art >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: J t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July >>>> 17, 2002 7:28 PM >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity >>>> Continues! >>>> >>>> On 7/17/02 6:34 PM, "Lesiecki Nicholas" >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> If its an archive and the root directory is plugins then >>>> extract it to >>>> /eclipse and it will probably work. This has been my >>>> experience. >>>> Peace out. >>>> Jt. >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello, sorry to bother the group with newbie questions, >>>> but >>>> >>>>> the Eclipse "help" seems to primarily be designed for >>>>> Eclipse developers. >>>>> >>>>> Ok, so I'm trying to install the solareclipse plugin, >>>> >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>>> I've tried tossing it in the root of the eclipse >>>> >>>> >>>> install >>>> >>>>> and also the plugins folder, no success. So I tried >>>> >>>> >>>> using >>>> >>>>> the "update manager" which instructs me to type in a >>>> >>>> >>>> web >>>> >>>>> address to search for plugins on. The sourceforge page >>>> >>>> >>>> for >>>> >>>>> solareclipse >>>>> (http://sourceforge.net/projects/solareclipse/) did not >>>>> turn up new plugins. >>>>> >>>>> The eclipse doccos all concern themselves with what to >>>> >>>> >>>> do >>>> >>>>> after finding an update site, so if someone could point >>>> >>>> >>>> me >>>> >>>>> at the exact URL I need from solareclipse to make the >>>> >>>> >>>> IDE >>>> >>>>> happy I'd appreciate it. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Nick >>>>> >>>>> __ >>>>> Do You Yahoo!? >>>>> Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >>>>> http://autos.yahoo.com >>>>> >>> - >>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>> >>>> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>> >>>> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>> - >>> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>> - >>> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Do You Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >>> http://autos.yahoo.com >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > Michael Oliver > Chief Technology Officer > AppsAsPeers.com > 7391 S. Bullrider Ave. > Tucson, AZ 85747 > 520.574.1150 Voice > 520.844.1036 Fax > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues!
Is IntelliJ as modular and extensible as Eclipse? O At 11:02 AM 7/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Why not just save yourselves the trouble, and get a license for IDEA >IntelliJ! :) It's latest greatest version (I'm running their Early >Access Preview version, not the 2.6 one) and it does XML/DTD completion >and I've found it much more pleasant than WSAD. > >Although, I have not given Eclipse a fair shake, admittedly. And >certainly Eclipse's price is nice! :) > >But I just convinced my team to standardize on IntelliJ. > > Erik > > >Lesiecki Nicholas wrote: >>Yep, it was just a matter of getting the folder in the >>right place. Thanks everyone! >>Cheers, >>Nick >>P.S. While you're waiting for a good XML plugin for >>Eclipse, use jEdit and it's XML plugin. DtD based >>code-completion. Nuff said! >>--- Art Gramlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>The trick is to get the correct things into the >>>eclipse/plug-ins directory. >>>I've noticed that some archives already have the plug-ins >>>directory and >>>others don't. Just open the zip and take a look. Also >>>make sure that you >>>follow any instructions as some plug-ins aren't >>>immediately visible. >>> >>>Hope this helps. >>> >>>Art >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: J t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, >>>2002 7:28 PM >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity >>>Continues! >>> >>>On 7/17/02 6:34 PM, "Lesiecki Nicholas" >>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>If its an archive and the root directory is plugins then >>>extract it to >>>/eclipse and it will probably work. This has been my >>>experience. >>>Peace out. >>>Jt. >>> >>> >>>Hello, sorry to bother the group with newbie questions, >>>but >>> >>>>the Eclipse "help" seems to primarily be designed for >>>>Eclipse developers. >>>> >>>>Ok, so I'm trying to install the solareclipse plugin, >>> >>>and >>> >>>>I've tried tossing it in the root of the eclipse >>> >>>install >>> >>>>and also the plugins folder, no success. So I tried >>> >>>using >>> >>>>the "update manager" which instructs me to type in a >>> >>>web >>> >>>>address to search for plugins on. The sourceforge page >>> >>>for >>> >>>>solareclipse >>>>(http://sourceforge.net/projects/solareclipse/) did not >>>>turn up new plugins. >>>> >>>>The eclipse doccos all concern themselves with what to >>> >>>do >>> >>>>after finding an update site, so if someone could point >>> >>>me >>> >>>>at the exact URL I need from solareclipse to make the >>> >>>IDE >>> >>>>happy I'd appreciate it. >>>> >>>>Cheers, >>>> >>>>Nick >>>> >>>>__ >>>>Do You Yahoo!? >>>>Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >>>>http://autos.yahoo.com >>>> >>- >> >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: >>> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>- >> >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>For additional commands, e-mail: >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>- >> >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>For additional commands, e-mail: >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>__ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >>http://autos.yahoo.com >>- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Michael Oliver Chief Technology Officer AppsAsPeers.com 7391 S. Bullrider Ave. Tucson, AZ 85747 520.574.1150 Voice 520.844.1036 Fax - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues!
Why not just save yourselves the trouble, and get a license for IDEA IntelliJ! :) It's latest greatest version (I'm running their Early Access Preview version, not the 2.6 one) and it does XML/DTD completion and I've found it much more pleasant than WSAD. Although, I have not given Eclipse a fair shake, admittedly. And certainly Eclipse's price is nice! :) But I just convinced my team to standardize on IntelliJ. Erik Lesiecki Nicholas wrote: > Yep, it was just a matter of getting the folder in the > right place. Thanks everyone! > > Cheers, > > Nick > > P.S. While you're waiting for a good XML plugin for > Eclipse, use jEdit and it's XML plugin. DtD based > code-completion. Nuff said! > --- Art Gramlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>The trick is to get the correct things into the >>eclipse/plug-ins directory. >>I've noticed that some archives already have the plug-ins >>directory and >>others don't. Just open the zip and take a look. Also >>make sure that you >>follow any instructions as some plug-ins aren't >>immediately visible. >> >>Hope this helps. >> >>Art >> >>-Original Message- >>From: J t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:28 PM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity >>Continues! >> >>On 7/17/02 6:34 PM, "Lesiecki Nicholas" >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>If its an archive and the root directory is plugins then >>extract it to >>/eclipse and it will probably work. This has been my >>experience. >>Peace out. >>Jt. >> >> >>Hello, sorry to bother the group with newbie questions, >>but >> >>>the Eclipse "help" seems to primarily be designed for >>>Eclipse developers. >>> >>>Ok, so I'm trying to install the solareclipse plugin, >> >>and >> >>>I've tried tossing it in the root of the eclipse >> >>install >> >>>and also the plugins folder, no success. So I tried >> >>using >> >>>the "update manager" which instructs me to type in a >> >>web >> >>>address to search for plugins on. The sourceforge page >> >>for >> >>>solareclipse >>>(http://sourceforge.net/projects/solareclipse/) did not >>>turn up new plugins. >>> >>>The eclipse doccos all concern themselves with what to >> >>do >> >>>after finding an update site, so if someone could point >> >>me >> >>>at the exact URL I need from solareclipse to make the >> >>IDE >> >>>happy I'd appreciate it. >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>Nick >>> >>>__ >>>Do You Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >>>http://autos.yahoo.com >>> >>> >> > - > >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>>For additional commands, e-mail: >> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> > - > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>For additional commands, e-mail: >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > - > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>For additional commands, e-mail: >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues!
Yep, it was just a matter of getting the folder in the right place. Thanks everyone! Cheers, Nick P.S. While you're waiting for a good XML plugin for Eclipse, use jEdit and it's XML plugin. DtD based code-completion. Nuff said! --- Art Gramlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The trick is to get the correct things into the > eclipse/plug-ins directory. > I've noticed that some archives already have the plug-ins > directory and > others don't. Just open the zip and take a look. Also > make sure that you > follow any instructions as some plug-ins aren't > immediately visible. > > Hope this helps. > > Art > > -Original Message- > From: J t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:28 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity > Continues! > > On 7/17/02 6:34 PM, "Lesiecki Nicholas" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If its an archive and the root directory is plugins then > extract it to > /eclipse and it will probably work. This has been my > experience. > Peace out. > Jt. > > > > > Hello, sorry to bother the group with newbie questions, > but > > the Eclipse "help" seems to primarily be designed for > > Eclipse developers. > > > > Ok, so I'm trying to install the solareclipse plugin, > and > > I've tried tossing it in the root of the eclipse > install > > and also the plugins folder, no success. So I tried > using > > the "update manager" which instructs me to type in a > web > > address to search for plugins on. The sourceforge page > for > > solareclipse > > (http://sourceforge.net/projects/solareclipse/) did not > > turn up new plugins. > > > > The eclipse doccos all concern themselves with what to > do > > after finding an update site, so if someone could point > me > > at the exact URL I need from solareclipse to make the > IDE > > happy I'd appreciate it. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Nick > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > > http://autos.yahoo.com > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues!
The trick is to get the correct things into the eclipse/plug-ins directory. I've noticed that some archives already have the plug-ins directory and others don't. Just open the zip and take a look. Also make sure that you follow any instructions as some plug-ins aren't immediately visible. Hope this helps. Art -Original Message- From: J t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues! On 7/17/02 6:34 PM, "Lesiecki Nicholas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If its an archive and the root directory is plugins then extract it to /eclipse and it will probably work. This has been my experience. Peace out. Jt. > Hello, sorry to bother the group with newbie questions, but > the Eclipse "help" seems to primarily be designed for > Eclipse developers. > > Ok, so I'm trying to install the solareclipse plugin, and > I've tried tossing it in the root of the eclipse install > and also the plugins folder, no success. So I tried using > the "update manager" which instructs me to type in a web > address to search for plugins on. The sourceforge page for > solareclipse > (http://sourceforge.net/projects/solareclipse/) did not > turn up new plugins. > > The eclipse doccos all concern themselves with what to do > after finding an update site, so if someone could point me > at the exact URL I need from solareclipse to make the IDE > happy I'd appreciate it. > > Cheers, > > Nick > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues!
On 7/17/02 6:34 PM, "Lesiecki Nicholas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If its an archive and the root directory is plugins then extract it to /eclipse and it will probably work. This has been my experience. Peace out. Jt. > Hello, sorry to bother the group with newbie questions, but > the Eclipse "help" seems to primarily be designed for > Eclipse developers. > > Ok, so I'm trying to install the solareclipse plugin, and > I've tried tossing it in the root of the eclipse install > and also the plugins folder, no success. So I tried using > the "update manager" which instructs me to type in a web > address to search for plugins on. The sourceforge page for > solareclipse > (http://sourceforge.net/projects/solareclipse/) did not > turn up new plugins. > > The eclipse doccos all concern themselves with what to do > after finding an update site, so if someone could point me > at the exact URL I need from solareclipse to make the IDE > happy I'd appreciate it. > > Cheers, > > Nick > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [jug-discussion] Eclipse Stupidity Continues!
Just unpack at the root of your eclipse install (c:\eclipse) using folders and it will install itself into the proper plugin folders. You might need to restart the IDE before it takes effect. It is a pretty well hidden project. Basically, it will add an XML Editor that is linked by default to any .xml files in the file associations. One gotcha is that eclipse tends to remember the last editor you used to open something, so it might fall-back to the text editor when you double-click an xml file you have opened before. Either way, if you right-click and select "Open With", you should see an XML editor as an option. Once you get it installed, you might want to consider setting file associations for *.htm and *.htm to the XML editor since it will then colorize you HTML nicely. For some reason *.htm? doesn't work. I haven't looked at the help since 2.0 came out, so it must not have changed. The help has always been more focused on developers of Eclipse than users. Lesiecki Nicholas wrote: > Hello, sorry to bother the group with newbie questions, but > the Eclipse "help" seems to primarily be designed for > Eclipse developers. > > Ok, so I'm trying to install the solareclipse plugin, and > I've tried tossing it in the root of the eclipse install > and also the plugins folder, no success. So I tried using > the "update manager" which instructs me to type in a web > address to search for plugins on. The sourceforge page for > solareclipse > (http://sourceforge.net/projects/solareclipse/) did not > turn up new plugins. > > The eclipse doccos all concern themselves with what to do > after finding an update site, so if someone could point me > at the exact URL I need from solareclipse to make the IDE > happy I'd appreciate it. > > Cheers, > > Nick > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
