Re: [JPP-Devel] [openjump-users] openjump.exe with ini

2010-09-01 Thread edgar . soldin
On 01.09.2010 15:46, Larry Becker wrote:
 BTW, I have nothing against retiring the bin directory, but it might break 
 the startup scripts.

true, I can check and modify the windows and linux scripts, if we agree on 
retiring '/bin'.

And again I want to lobby for a one for all solution.Let me summarize:

- we try to be 'cross-platform'
- but can't support different distributions for each operating system
- user must be able to change the java runtime parameters (e.g. memory settings)
- runtime parameters cannot be changed inside the running environment, but have 
to be given as parameters

Only solution I see is a unified launcher (java) run by native launchers for 
the different os's. I like the simplicity of startup scripts, but am pretty 
sure that end users are more confused than supported by them (which should i 
use, how can i configure ...).


regards ede

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[JPP-Devel] wishlist

2010-09-01 Thread Kevin Neufeld
  Stefan mentioned that there isn't a road map for OJ, but is there a 
place to jot down improvement ideas?

Here are a couple on my wishlist:

1) The ability to specify which columns are editable in an layer's 
attribute table.  Right now, the FID and geometry column are hard-coded 
as being the only columns that are not editable.  I would like to see 
this driven off the layer's FeatureSchema.  Perhaps there could be a 
isAttributeReadOnly(int attributeIndex) method added to the 
FeatureSchema that could be used in LayerTableModel.isCellEditable(int 
rowIndex, int columnIndex).

Primary key attributes that belong to a DynamicFeatureCollection driven 
off a database is one example of a non-editable column.


2) The ability to customize the tooltips for previously installed 
plugins on a layer's right click context menu.  For example, I could 
have a custom implementation of a Layer that is backed by a custom 
FeatureCollection.  If I mark the layer as readonly, the Editable menu 
item is correctly greyed-out.  The tooltip says something like This 
layer cannot be made editable.   The menu item is greyed-out ... 
obviously it's not editable.  I would like to change the tooltip to 
explain *why* the menu item is greyed-out ... which is particular to my 
custom FeatureCollection.

IE.
No Primary Key found on the underlying database table
Adhoc queries cannot be made editable
SQL Server DataStores cannot currently be made editable


3) A new UpdatablePlugIn interface with methods like getPluginVersion(), 
getPluginURL().  All implementations of the interface could be listed in 
the extensions tag in the About window.  A user could choose to update a 
selected plugin where a new plugin jar and all the jar's dependencies 
would automatically download, available upon application restart.  I 
know, I know.  This would require a huge framework and lots of developer 
time, but it sure would be nice to have.


Cheers,
-- Kevin

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[JPP-Devel] my availability - and admin rights

2010-09-01 Thread Stefan Steiniger
Hei,

I was going to add this to my previous email, but better to have this 
separate.

A note with respect to my availability: As I said I will check email in 
September once in while during my travels - starting tomorrow for 5 days 
to US, then again on September 13 to Europe. But maybe I even have time 
for a release if we get the Nightly-Built back running and can translate 
the languages (well.. it may be October by then). If I am going to 
travel from Middle of October on is still unclear - but likely.

However, Michael and Landon/Sunburned Surveyor have admin rights on 
SourceForge. Larry is not an Admin on SourceForge but can basically do 
everything too (I/Michael can make him one if he wishes) - besides some 
others (such as releases etc.). Michael and Landon also have manager 
rights for openjump @ google groups (Michael is also owner). On JPP 
devel: I guess Landon would then need to clean up the JPP-Devel spam box 
(not sure who else is an admin there besides Landon).

if there any questions on this, send them to me but not over the list 
i.e. directly to me (as they otherwise get filtered into the 
sub-folders, and I won't check all incoming emails there).

cheers from Calgary,
stefan

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Re: [JPP-Devel] wishlist

2010-09-01 Thread Stefan Steiniger
Hei Kevin,

thanks for you thoughts. Sounds all pretty reasonable to me - the only 
issue is developer time ;)

In general we have at SourceForge the Bug Tracker and Feature-Request 
Tracker. So that would be the place to add your 3 wishes:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/jump-pilot/support


We actually had also a TODO.txt file in the trunk, but it is not used.

thanks again, and its actually nice to know that Refractions-Folks 
besides Martin is still interested in OJ development :)

cheers from Calgary to Victoria
stefan

Kevin Neufeld wrote:
   Stefan mentioned that there isn't a road map for OJ, but is there a 
 place to jot down improvement ideas?
 
 Here are a couple on my wishlist:
 
 1) The ability to specify which columns are editable in an layer's 
 attribute table.  Right now, the FID and geometry column are hard-coded 
 as being the only columns that are not editable.  I would like to see 
 this driven off the layer's FeatureSchema.  Perhaps there could be a 
 isAttributeReadOnly(int attributeIndex) method added to the 
 FeatureSchema that could be used in LayerTableModel.isCellEditable(int 
 rowIndex, int columnIndex).
 
 Primary key attributes that belong to a DynamicFeatureCollection driven 
 off a database is one example of a non-editable column.
 
 
 2) The ability to customize the tooltips for previously installed 
 plugins on a layer's right click context menu.  For example, I could 
 have a custom implementation of a Layer that is backed by a custom 
 FeatureCollection.  If I mark the layer as readonly, the Editable menu 
 item is correctly greyed-out.  The tooltip says something like This 
 layer cannot be made editable.   The menu item is greyed-out ... 
 obviously it's not editable.  I would like to change the tooltip to 
 explain *why* the menu item is greyed-out ... which is particular to my 
 custom FeatureCollection.
 
 IE.
 No Primary Key found on the underlying database table
 Adhoc queries cannot be made editable
 SQL Server DataStores cannot currently be made editable
 
 
 3) A new UpdatablePlugIn interface with methods like getPluginVersion(), 
 getPluginURL().  All implementations of the interface could be listed in 
 the extensions tag in the About window.  A user could choose to update a 
 selected plugin where a new plugin jar and all the jar's dependencies 
 would automatically download, available upon application restart.  I 
 know, I know.  This would require a huge framework and lots of developer 
 time, but it sure would be nice to have.
 
 
 Cheers,
 -- Kevin
 
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Re: [JPP-Devel] wishlist

2010-09-01 Thread Kevin Neufeld
  Ah, great, thanx Stefan.  I'll add the requests there so others can 
comment/poke holes/massage/scrap the ideas.

Yeah, OJ is by far my preferred desktop GIS client.  The fact that OJ is 
so tightly coupled with JTS (which is the backbone of PostGIS through 
GEOS) makes it great to work with.

Cheers,
Kevin

On 9/1/2010 11:48 AM, Stefan Steiniger wrote:
 Hei Kevin,

 thanks for you thoughts. Sounds all pretty reasonable to me - the only
 issue is developer time ;)

 In general we have at SourceForge the Bug Tracker and Feature-Request
 Tracker. So that would be the place to add your 3 wishes:
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/jump-pilot/support


 We actually had also a TODO.txt file in the trunk, but it is not used.

 thanks again, and its actually nice to know that Refractions-Folks
 besides Martin is still interested in OJ development :)

 cheers from Calgary to Victoria
 stefan

 Kevin Neufeld wrote:
Stefan mentioned that there isn't a road map for OJ, but is there a
 place to jot down improvement ideas?

 Here are a couple on my wishlist:

 1) The ability to specify which columns are editable in an layer's
 attribute table.  Right now, the FID and geometry column are hard-coded
 as being the only columns that are not editable.  I would like to see
 this driven off the layer's FeatureSchema.  Perhaps there could be a
 isAttributeReadOnly(int attributeIndex) method added to the
 FeatureSchema that could be used in LayerTableModel.isCellEditable(int
 rowIndex, int columnIndex).

 Primary key attributes that belong to a DynamicFeatureCollection driven
 off a database is one example of a non-editable column.


 2) The ability to customize the tooltips for previously installed
 plugins on a layer's right click context menu.  For example, I could
 have a custom implementation of a Layer that is backed by a custom
 FeatureCollection.  If I mark the layer as readonly, the Editable menu
 item is correctly greyed-out.  The tooltip says something like This
 layer cannot be made editable.   The menu item is greyed-out ...
 obviously it's not editable.  I would like to change the tooltip to
 explain *why* the menu item is greyed-out ... which is particular to my
 custom FeatureCollection.

 IE.
 No Primary Key found on the underlying database table
 Adhoc queries cannot be made editable
 SQL Server DataStores cannot currently be made editable


 3) A new UpdatablePlugIn interface with methods like getPluginVersion(),
 getPluginURL().  All implementations of the interface could be listed in
 the extensions tag in the About window.  A user could choose to update a
 selected plugin where a new plugin jar and all the jar's dependencies
 would automatically download, available upon application restart.  I
 know, I know.  This would require a huge framework and lots of developer
 time, but it sure would be nice to have.


 Cheers,
 -- Kevin

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Re: [JPP-Devel] wishlist

2010-09-01 Thread Michaël Michaud
  Hi Kevin

All your propositions seem reasonnable and valuable for OpenJUMP.

As Stefan said, the main problem is development resources.
I cannot evaluate precisely the work to do without a deeper look, but it 
concerns core classes and will need caution and tests.
Are you volonteer to develop these features ?

Michaël



Le 01/09/2010 20:15, Kevin Neufeld a écrit :
Stefan mentioned that there isn't a road map for OJ, but is there a
 place to jot down improvement ideas?

 Here are a couple on my wishlist:

 1) The ability to specify which columns are editable in an layer's
 attribute table.  Right now, the FID and geometry column are hard-coded
 as being the only columns that are not editable.  I would like to see
 this driven off the layer's FeatureSchema.  Perhaps there could be a
 isAttributeReadOnly(int attributeIndex) method added to the
 FeatureSchema that could be used in LayerTableModel.isCellEditable(int
 rowIndex, int columnIndex).

 Primary key attributes that belong to a DynamicFeatureCollection driven
 off a database is one example of a non-editable column.


 2) The ability to customize the tooltips for previously installed
 plugins on a layer's right click context menu.  For example, I could
 have a custom implementation of a Layer that is backed by a custom
 FeatureCollection.  If I mark the layer as readonly, the Editable menu
 item is correctly greyed-out.  The tooltip says something like This
 layer cannot be made editable.   The menu item is greyed-out ...
 obviously it's not editable.  I would like to change the tooltip to
 explain *why* the menu item is greyed-out ... which is particular to my
 custom FeatureCollection.

 IE.
 No Primary Key found on the underlying database table
 Adhoc queries cannot be made editable
 SQL Server DataStores cannot currently be made editable


 3) A new UpdatablePlugIn interface with methods like getPluginVersion(),
 getPluginURL().  All implementations of the interface could be listed in
 the extensions tag in the About window.  A user could choose to update a
 selected plugin where a new plugin jar and all the jar's dependencies
 would automatically download, available upon application restart.  I
 know, I know.  This would require a huge framework and lots of developer
 time, but it sure would be nice to have.


 Cheers,
 -- Kevin

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Re: [JPP-Devel] my availability - and admin rights

2010-09-01 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
Thanks for the update Stefan. I'll try to keep everyone happy while
you are running around the world. :]

The Sunburned Surveyor

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Stefan Steiniger sst...@geo.uzh.ch wrote:
 Hei,

 I was going to add this to my previous email, but better to have this
 separate.

 A note with respect to my availability: As I said I will check email in
 September once in while during my travels - starting tomorrow for 5 days
 to US, then again on September 13 to Europe. But maybe I even have time
 for a release if we get the Nightly-Built back running and can translate
 the languages (well.. it may be October by then). If I am going to
 travel from Middle of October on is still unclear - but likely.

 However, Michael and Landon/Sunburned Surveyor have admin rights on
 SourceForge. Larry is not an Admin on SourceForge but can basically do
 everything too (I/Michael can make him one if he wishes) - besides some
 others (such as releases etc.). Michael and Landon also have manager
 rights for openjump @ google groups (Michael is also owner). On JPP
 devel: I guess Landon would then need to clean up the JPP-Devel spam box
 (not sure who else is an admin there besides Landon).

 if there any questions on this, send them to me but not over the list
 i.e. directly to me (as they otherwise get filtered into the
 sub-folders, and I won't check all incoming emails there).

 cheers from Calgary,
 stefan

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