Re: [j-nsp] EOMPLS between 10G subinterface and GE subinterface between two 7600 with Juniper MX480 as CE1

2010-02-18 Thread Ioan Branet
Hello,

Here is a ping result with monitor traffic activated on xe-3/1/0.
I Ping the other CE and it seems that the ping leaves the Juniper interface:

I also create an extended access list on CE2  and debub ip packet detail 199

#sh ip access-lists 199
Extended IP access list 199
10 permit icmp host 150.1.1.2 host 150.1.1.1
20 permit icmp host 150.1.1.1 host 150.1.1.2 (6 matches)

The ICMP echo requests from Juniper does not arrive at Cisco and also I ping
from Cisco CE2 to Juniper CE1 and i have encapsulation failed because it
dows not learn arp from Juniper:


> monitor traffic interface xe-3/1/0 extensive
Address resolution is ON. Use  to avoid any reverse lookup
delay.
Address resolution timeout is 4s.
Listening on xe-3/1/0, capture size 1514 bytes

09:49:41.426537 Out
Juniper PCAP Flags [Ext], PCAP Extension(s) total length 22
  Device Media Type Extension TLV #3, length 1, value: Ethernet (1)
  Logical Interface Encapsulation Extension TLV #6, length 1, value:
Ethernet (14)
  Device Interface Index Extension TLV #1, length 2, value: 193
  Logical Interface Index Extension TLV #4, length 4, value: 79
  Logical Unit Number Extension TLV #5, length 4, value: 32767
-original packet-
Reverse lookup for 150.1.1.1 failed (check DNS reachability).
Other reverse lookup failures will not be reported.
Use  to avoid reverse lookups on IP addresses.

0:21:59:a7:c4:30 > 0:16:9c:6d:42:80, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100),
length 102: vlan 999, p 0, ethertype IPv4, (tos 0x0, ttl  64, id 21993,
offset 0, flags [none], proto: ICMP (1), length: 84) 150.1.1.2 > 150.1.1.1:
ICMP echo request, id 58212, seq 69, length 64
09:49:42.427316 Out
Juniper PCAP Flags [Ext], PCAP Extension(s) total length 22
  Device Media Type Extension TLV #3, length 1, value: Ethernet (1)
  Logical Interface Encapsulation Extension TLV #6, length 1, value:
Ethernet (14)
  Device Interface Index Extension TLV #1, length 2, value: 193
  Logical Interface Index Extension TLV #4, length 4, value: 79
  Logical Unit Number Extension TLV #5, length 4, value: 32767
-original packet-
0:21:59:a7:c4:30 > 0:16:9c:6d:42:80, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100),
length 102: vlan 999, p 0, ethertype IPv4, (tos 0x0, ttl  64, id 22035,
offset 0, flags [none], proto: ICMP (1), length: 84) 150.1.1.2 > 150.1.1.1:
ICMP echo request, id 58212, seq 70, length 64
09:49:43.428108 Out
Juniper PCAP Flags [Ext], PCAP Extension(s) total length 22
  Device Media Type Extension TLV #3, length 1, value: Ethernet (1)
  Logical Interface Encapsulation Extension TLV #6, length 1, value:
Ethernet (14)
  Device Interface Index Extension TLV #1, length 2, value: 193
  Logical Interface Index Extension TLV #4, length 4, value: 79
  Logical Unit Number Extension TLV #5, length 4, value: 32767
-original packet-
0:21:59:a7:c4:30 > 0:16:9c:6d:42:80, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100),
length 102: vlan 999, p 0, ethertype IPv4, (tos 0x0, ttl  64, id 22038,
offset 0, flags [none], proto: ICMP (1), length: 84) 150.1.1.2 > 150.1.1.1:
ICMP echo request, id 58212, seq 71, length 64
09:49:44.428895 Out
Juniper PCAP Flags [Ext], PCAP Extension(s) total length 22
  Device Media Type Extension TLV #3, length 1, value: Ethernet (1)
  Logical Interface Encapsulation Extension TLV #6, length 1, value:
Ethernet (14)
  Device Interface Index Extension TLV #1, length 2, value: 193
  Logical Interface Index Extension TLV #4, length 4, value: 79
  Logical Unit Number Extension TLV #5, length 4, value: 32767
-original packet-
0:21:59:a7:c4:30 > 0:16:9c:6d:42:80, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100),
length 102: vlan 999, p 0, ethertype IPv4, (tos 0x0, ttl  64, id 22042,
offset 0, flags [none], proto: ICMP (1), length: 84) 150.1.1.2 > 150.1.1.1:
ICMP echo request, id 58212, seq 72, length 64
09:49:45.429691 Out
Juniper PCAP Flags [Ext], PCAP Extension(s) total length 22
  Device Media Type Extension TLV #3, length 1, value: Ethernet (1)
  Logical Interface Encapsulation Extension TLV #6, length 1, value:
Ethernet (14)
  Device Interface Index Extension TLV #1, length 2, value: 193
  Logical Interface Index Extension TLV #4, length 4, value: 79
  Logical Unit Number Extension TLV #5, length 4, value: 32767
-original packet-
0:21:59:a7:c4:30 > 0:16:9c:6d:42:80, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100),
length 102: vlan 999, p 0, ethertype IPv4, (tos 0x0, ttl  64, id 22044,
offset 0, flags [none], proto: ICMP (1), length: 84) 150.1.1.2 > 150.1.1.1:
ICMP echo request, id 58212, seq 73, length 64
09:49:46.430487 Out
Juniper PCAP Flags [Ext], PCAP Extension(s) total length 22
  Device Media Type Extension TLV #3, length 1, value: Ethernet (1)
  Logical Interface Encapsulation Ext

Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Mark Tinka
On Friday 19 February 2010 11:06:48 am Daniel Roesen wrote:

> It's just product management. Just like the BGP route
>  reflection dongle key. JNPR knows those boxes are very
>  interesting for "small/mid BGP demand" networks as
>  central route reflectors, so they squeeze some more
>  money out of these deployments. Unfortunately, folks NOT
>  using the routers in such a setup but occasionally need
>  some route reflection are... "colateral damage". Been
>  there, still suffering from that.

Legacy JUNOS fans will be happy to have, well, JUNOS, on the 
J-series (and the EX-series) after coming from the M/T-
series platforms.

However, if you don't mind the IOS cruft and are really 
focusing on core features and hardware performance, the 
Cisco 7201 is a decent platform when pitched against the 
J2320, and in some cases, even the J4350. I've been able to 
do some 950Mbps through them @ 90% CPU utilization without 
dropping a packet. You'd miss the JUNOS niceties, but it's a 
capable box worth considering if you find yourself stuck in 
this category.

Cheers,

Mark.


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Re: [j-nsp] EX series needs a special license for BGP?

2010-02-18 Thread Tommy Perniciaro
Yes - that's correct.

Junos will complain about not having the license but BGP will still  
work, same deal on the J series not having the route reflector  
license, still works just complains :)



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On Feb 18, 2010, at 9:05 PM, "TCIS List Acct"  
 wrote:

> Hrmm -- from what I've read, it seems the EX series DOES need a  
> license for BGP,
> but the J-series does not, unless you need the route-reflector  
> functionality.
>
> Am I correct or ?
>
> Dan Farrell wrote:
>> If I'm not mistaken I got an EX3200-24T for around $3k (give or  
>> take) and I have BGP peering on it.
>>
>> Dan Farrell
>> da...@appliedi.net
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: TCIS List Acct [mailto:lista...@tulsaconnect.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:04 AM
>> To: Patrik Olsson
>> Cc: Dan Farrell; juniper-nsp
>> Subject: Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
>>
>> But don't you need the "advanced feature license" to do BGP on the  
>> EX3200
>> series?  That license adds thousands to the cost..
>>
>> --Mike
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[j-nsp] EX series needs a special license for BGP?

2010-02-18 Thread TCIS List Acct
Hrmm -- from what I've read, it seems the EX series DOES need a license for BGP, 
but the J-series does not, unless you need the route-reflector functionality.


Am I correct or ?

Dan Farrell wrote:

If I'm not mistaken I got an EX3200-24T for around $3k (give or take) and I 
have BGP peering on it.

Dan Farrell
da...@appliedi.net


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Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:04 AM
To: Patrik Olsson
Cc: Dan Farrell; juniper-nsp
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

But don't you need the "advanced feature license" to do BGP on the EX3200
series?  That license adds thousands to the cost..

--Mike


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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 09:48:41AM -0500, Joe Goldberg wrote:
> I would be very interested though if the J2320 can take more than 1GB
> of RAM  now.  That would be news to me.

Routing Engine status:
...
DRAM  3811 MB
Memory utilization  25 percent
...
Model  RE-J2320-2000

Officially "supported" though are only 2GB nowadays, as far as I'm aware.
So: kids, do try this only at home (just like me). :-) I cannot say
wether this (4x1G) runs stable, but I saw 2G (2x1G) and 2.5G (2x1G + 2x256M)
J2320 running fine for many months with multiple full BGP tables.

It's just product management. Just like the BGP route reflection
dongle key. JNPR knows those boxes are very interesting for "small/mid BGP
demand" networks as central route reflectors, so they squeeze some more
money out of these deployments. Unfortunately, folks NOT using the
routers in such a setup but occasionally need some route reflection
are... "colateral damage". Been there, still suffering from that.

Best regards,
Daniel

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Re: [j-nsp] RFC2544 on Juniper MX960 10G ports

2010-02-18 Thread Judah Scott
Yes what you see is correct behavior (for those MX DPCs).  I doubt it's a
cell size issue or you would see a saw-tooth.  Instead what you can infer is
that each of the 4 PFE's are limited to the packets-per-second they can
process depending on the transport type involved.  I.E. VPLS is really bad
at low packet sizes but pure L3 is good.

-J Scott


On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:08 PM, OBrien, Will  wrote:

> We have been running 10G R cards exclusively in our pair of MX960s - so far
> we have had no issues with vpn tunnels coming in/out and we have many of
> them. We don't run voip over that particular connection either. In fact,
> we've really seen no problems with traffic going through them at all. We do
> run them exclusively at the edge of our network as border routers for I1 and
> I2 traffic.
>
> Typical I1 load is near a Gb and I2 usually has a few.
>
> Will
>
> On Feb 18, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Serge Vautour wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > We recently used a traffic generator to run RFC2544 tests against a
> Juniper MX960. The 1G ports work flawlessly. 0% packet loss at all frame
> sizes.
> >
> > The 10G ports  (4x10G "R" card) didn't do as well. They dropped up to 25%
> packets with certain small frames (ex: 70 byte frames). The packet loss goes
> away almost completely for frames larger than 100 bytes. Our SE tells us
> this is normal and is due to how the MX chops the frames up into 64 byte
> cells inside the PFE. The 4x10G cards have 4 separate PFEs (1 per 10G port)
> and each of them has 10G of bandwidth. 10G of small frames essentially
> creates more than 10G of traffic inside the PFE. That explanation may not be
> 100% correct but I think it paints the right picture.
> >
> > Now the questions. Is this a problem on production networks with real
> world traffic? What about on VPN networks with alot of small frames like
> VoIP? Has anyone seen this problem creep it's head in production?
> >
> > It seems very unlikely to me that a maxed 10Gbps link would carry 7.5Gbps
> of frame sizes less than 100 byte. I would expect larger frames to use up
> the majority of the bandwidth. Can anyone correlate this with real world
> traffic?
> >
> > As usual, the help received on this distribution list is invaluable.
> Thanks in advance to anyone who replies.
> >
> > Serge
> >
> >
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Re: [j-nsp] RFC2544 on Juniper MX960 10G ports

2010-02-18 Thread OBrien, Will
We have been running 10G R cards exclusively in our pair of MX960s - so far we 
have had no issues with vpn tunnels coming in/out and we have many of them. We 
don't run voip over that particular connection either. In fact, we've really 
seen no problems with traffic going through them at all. We do run them 
exclusively at the edge of our network as border routers for I1 and I2 traffic.

Typical I1 load is near a Gb and I2 usually has a few.

Will

On Feb 18, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Serge Vautour wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> We recently used a traffic generator to run RFC2544 tests against a Juniper 
> MX960. The 1G ports work flawlessly. 0% packet loss at all frame sizes. 
> 
> The 10G ports  (4x10G "R" card) didn't do as well. They dropped up to 25% 
> packets with certain small frames (ex: 70 byte frames). The packet loss goes 
> away almost completely for frames larger than 100 bytes. Our SE tells us this 
> is normal and is due to how the MX chops the frames up into 64 byte cells 
> inside the PFE. The 4x10G cards have 4 separate PFEs (1 per 10G port) and 
> each of them has 10G of bandwidth. 10G of small frames essentially creates 
> more than 10G of traffic inside the PFE. That explanation may not be 100% 
> correct but I think it paints the right picture.
> 
> Now the questions. Is this a problem on production networks with real world 
> traffic? What about on VPN networks with alot of small frames like VoIP? Has 
> anyone seen this problem creep it's head in production?
> 
> It seems very unlikely to me that a maxed 10Gbps link would carry 7.5Gbps of 
> frame sizes less than 100 byte. I would expect larger frames to use up the 
> majority of the bandwidth. Can anyone correlate this with real world traffic?
> 
> As usual, the help received on this distribution list is invaluable. Thanks 
> in advance to anyone who replies.
> 
> Serge
> 
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[j-nsp] RFC2544 on Juniper MX960 10G ports

2010-02-18 Thread Serge Vautour
Hello,

We recently used a traffic generator to run RFC2544 tests against a Juniper 
MX960. The 1G ports work flawlessly. 0% packet loss at all frame sizes. 

The 10G ports  (4x10G "R" card) didn't do as well. They dropped up to 25% 
packets with certain small frames (ex: 70 byte frames). The packet loss goes 
away almost completely for frames larger than 100 bytes. Our SE tells us this 
is normal and is due to how the MX chops the frames up into 64 byte cells 
inside the PFE. The 4x10G cards have 4 separate PFEs (1 per 10G port) and each 
of them has 10G of bandwidth. 10G of small frames essentially creates more than 
10G of traffic inside the PFE. That explanation may not be 100% correct but I 
think it paints the right picture.

Now the questions. Is this a problem on production networks with real world 
traffic? What about on VPN networks with alot of small frames like VoIP? Has 
anyone seen this problem creep it's head in production?

It seems very unlikely to me that a maxed 10Gbps link would carry 7.5Gbps of 
frame sizes less than 100 byte. I would expect larger frames to use up the 
majority of the bandwidth. Can anyone correlate this with real world traffic?

As usual, the help received on this distribution list is invaluable. Thanks in 
advance to anyone who replies.

Serge


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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Evan Williams

seems that what was once a useful source, the well has run dry.

BGP need licencing!!!

licencing and proprietry is Blue Box.

I say get a grip & goodbye. Populate someone else's mailbox with ridiculous 
questions. I despair.


unsubscribe me now.

what gets to me is that these people get work

so long and thanks for all the fish


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I'll have to do it while I'm here"

when I'm gone  - phil ochs

John Train

- Original Message - 
From: "Florian Weimer" 

To: "Shane Short" 
Cc: "juniper-nsp" ; "Tore Anderson" 


Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router


* Shane Short:


I think the BGP licensing for JunOS is quite ridiculous..

I've been looking at upgrading our small network to some J series
routers and simply haven't, because as you said-- the price of the
license is almost as much as the unit itself. what gives?


As far as I can tell, everything you need to run a regular BGP router
is there, even without the advanced BGP license.  It's likely that you
don't have to pay the additional licensing fee.

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Re: [j-nsp] query rpd scheduler slip,memory leak

2010-02-18 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 06:39:00PM +0530, chandrasekaran iyer wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> what is rpd scheduler slip. how do we observe this?

How do you observe it? Load any JUNOS produced in the last couple years
and fire up some BGP, it won't take long. :)

Feb 18 22:58:10  srx210 rpd[2490]: %DAEMON-3-RPD_SCHED_SLIP_KEVENT: 4 sec 
106056 usec kevent block
Feb 18 22:58:40  srx210 rpd[2490]: %DAEMON-3-RPD_SCHED_SLIP_KEVENT: 4 sec 
112562 usec kevent block
Feb 18 23:00:06  srx210 rpd[2490]: %DAEMON-3-RPD_SCHED_SLIP_KEVENT: 4 sec 
123676 usec kevent block
Feb 18 23:00:30  srx210 rpd[2490]: %DAEMON-3-RPD_SCHED_SLIP_KEVENT: 4 sec 
114825 usec kevent block
Feb 18 23:00:36  srx210 rpd[2490]: %DAEMON-3-RPD_SCHED_SLIP_KEVENT: 4 sec 
113041 usec kevent block
Feb 18 23:01:06  srx210 rpd[2490]: %DAEMON-3-RPD_SCHED_SLIP_KEVENT: 4 sec 
132636 usec kevent block
Feb 18 23:02:06  srx210 rpd[2490]: %DAEMON-3-RPD_SCHED_SLIP_KEVENT: 4 sec 
135565 usec kevent block
Feb 18 23:02:51  srx210 rpd[2490]: %DAEMON-3-RPD_SCHED_SLIP_KEVENT: 4 sec 
108850 usec kevent block
Feb 18 23:02:55  srx210 rpd[2490]: %DAEMON-3-RPD_SCHED_SLIP_KEVENT: 4 sec 
112137 usec kevent block
Feb 18 23:03:00  srx210 rpd[2490]: %DAEMON-3-RPD_SCHED_SLIP_KEVENT: 4 sec 
100827 usec kevent block
Feb 18 23:03:06  srx210 rpd[2490]: %DAEMON-3-RPD_SCHED_SLIP_KEVENT: 4 sec 
129836 usec kevent block
Feb 18 23:04:06  srx210 rpd[2490]: %DAEMON-3-RPD_SCHED_SLIP_KEVENT: 4 sec 
134561 usec kevent block
Feb 18 23:05:01  srx210 rpd[2490]: %DAEMON-3-RPD_SCHED_SLIP_KEVENT: 4 sec 
107300 usec kevent block
Feb 18 23:05:06  srx210 rpd[2490]: %DAEMON-3-RPD_SCHED_SLIP_KEVENT: 4 sec 
134453 usec kevent block
Feb 18 23:05:21  srx210 rpd[2490]: %DAEMON-3-RPD_SCHED_SLIP_KEVENT: 4 sec 
101315 usec kevent block
Feb 18 23:06:06  srx210 rpd[2490]: %DAEMON-3-RPD_SCHED_SLIP_KEVENT: 4 sec 
135828 usec kevent block
Feb 18 23:06:41  srx210 rpd[2490]: %DAEMON-3-RPD_SCHED_SLIP_KEVENT: 4 sec 
106647 usec kevent block
Feb 18 23:07:06  srx210 rpd[2490]: %DAEMON-3-RPD_SCHED_SLIP_KEVENT: 4 sec 
128517 usec kevent block
Feb 18 23:08:06  srx210 rpd[2490]: %DAEMON-3-RPD_SCHED_SLIP_KEVENT: 4 sec 
133028 usec kevent block

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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Niels Raijer
Op 18 feb 2010, om 17:13 heeft Morten Isaksen het volgende geschreven:

> This looks a lot like the setup I am builing. I think you convinced me
> to go with the J2320.
> 
> What version of the OS are you running?

9.3R4.4. To paraphrase a regular here: the last real JUNOS for J-series, before 
the flow-based ones. Newer versions will run too (I've installed 10.something 
to see if it worked at all) but flow-based stuff gives me the creeps for this 
purpose.

> Any problems with ipv6 on the router?

None whatsoever. Runs absolutely fine with multiple full IPv6 tables. There may 
still be an IPv6 license for sale, but it is not needed to run IPv6 on the 
router (it is probably needed to get *supported* IPv6 to run on the router 
though). We use IS-IS as the IPv6 IGP which works fine too.

The only thing that doesn't work, as has been reported here a few times by now, 
is route reflector capability. We tried it once, but it just doesn't work 
without the license. So we use OpenBGPD for that now :-)

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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Shane Short
That would explain it-- my very shallow depth of Juniper knowledge started on 
the EX series :)

-Shane


On 19/02/2010, at 2:54 AM, Patrik Olsson wrote:

> No BGP license of J series right? Only on EX?
> I think route reflector demands license on Jseries!
> 
> Patrik
> 
> Shane Short wrote:
>> I think the BGP licensing for JunOS is quite ridiculous..
>> 
>> I've been looking at upgrading our small network to some J series routers 
>> and simply haven't, because as you said-- the price of the license is almost 
>> as much as the unit itself. what gives?
>> 
>> -Shane
>> 
>> On 18/02/2010, at 11:28 PM, Tore Anderson wrote:
>> 
>>> * TCIS List Acct
>>> 
 But don't you need the "advanced feature license" to do BGP on the
 EX3200 series?  That license adds thousands to the cost..
>>> There's also JX-BGP-ADV-LTU, «Advanced BGP License for J-Series», which
>>> almost equals the list price of the smallest J2320.  I'm not sure what
>>> exactly would make a BGP setup advanced enough to require this license,
>>> though.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> -- 
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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Patrik Olsson
No BGP license of J series right? Only on EX?
I think route reflector demands license on Jseries!

Patrik

Shane Short wrote:
> I think the BGP licensing for JunOS is quite ridiculous..
> 
> I've been looking at upgrading our small network to some J series routers and 
> simply haven't, because as you said-- the price of the license is almost as 
> much as the unit itself. what gives?
> 
> -Shane
> 
> On 18/02/2010, at 11:28 PM, Tore Anderson wrote:
> 
>> * TCIS List Acct
>>
>>> But don't you need the "advanced feature license" to do BGP on the
>>> EX3200 series?  That license adds thousands to the cost..
>> There's also JX-BGP-ADV-LTU, «Advanced BGP License for J-Series», which
>> almost equals the list price of the smallest J2320.  I'm not sure what
>> exactly would make a BGP setup advanced enough to require this license,
>> though.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> -- 
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Re: [j-nsp] non juniper SFP in MX(No virus check: scan engine not ready)

2010-02-18 Thread Brad Fleming

On Feb 18, 2010, at 2:08 AM, Georgios Vlachos wrote:


Hello list,



I know non juniper SFP work in MX but would you be worried if you  
they are

not recognized at all by chassisd? Moreover show chassis hardware or
pic-status does not list the SFPs at all. On the other hand the  
links come
up and forward traffic with no apparent errors. Would you feel  
confident

about it?




l...@mx960_ lab# run show log chassisd| last

.


Feb 16 15:50:10 pic_copy_port_info:Got cable_type for FPC 0 PIC 2  
port 6

cable num=0, str=



We typically use vendor-endorsed SFPs for production / core / critical  
links. If need to cut costs on a project, we'll use 3rd party modules  
for interfaces servicing non-critical stuff (like local servers,  
secondary systems, testing networks, etc). While the cost difference  
isn't huge, sometimes a few hundred dollars could mean getting a  
project approved in my environment.

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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Jensen Tyler
The BGP License is for Route reflectors only. All other BGP functions work. I 
have 17 or so J2350's running BGP with no extra licensing. They are only peered 
with Internet2 (26,000 in RIB), so I can't comment on usability for multiple 
Internet peers.

Jensen Tyler
Network Engineer
Fiberutilities Group, LLC


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From: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net 
[mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Shane Short
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:42 AM
To: Tore Anderson
Cc: juniper-nsp
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

I think the BGP licensing for JunOS is quite ridiculous..

I've been looking at upgrading our small network to some J series routers and 
simply haven't, because as you said-- the price of the license is almost as 
much as the unit itself. what gives?

-Shane

On 18/02/2010, at 11:28 PM, Tore Anderson wrote:

> * TCIS List Acct
>
>> But don't you need the "advanced feature license" to do BGP on the
>> EX3200 series?  That license adds thousands to the cost..
>
> There's also JX-BGP-ADV-LTU, , which
> almost equals the list price of the smallest J2320.  I'm not sure what
> exactly would make a BGP setup advanced enough to require this license,
> though.
>
> Best regards,
> --
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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Chris Kawchuk
As stated before, The "Advanced BGP Licence" is for Route-Reflector capability.

The system does full i/eBGP out-of-the-box (normal JunOS).

Also look at the SRX series - which are basically "pumped up J's" running the 
virtually same code. (and yes, you can kick an SRX into "packet mode")

- Chris.



On 2010-02-18, at 8:41 AM, Shane Short wrote:

> I think the BGP licensing for JunOS is quite ridiculous..
> 
> I've been looking at upgrading our small network to some J series routers and 
> simply haven't, because as you said-- the price of the license is almost as 
> much as the unit itself. what gives?
> 
> -Shane
> 
> On 18/02/2010, at 11:28 PM, Tore Anderson wrote:
> 
>> * TCIS List Acct
>> 
>>> But don't you need the "advanced feature license" to do BGP on the
>>> EX3200 series?  That license adds thousands to the cost..
>> 
>> There's also JX-BGP-ADV-LTU, «Advanced BGP License for J-Series», which
>> almost equals the list price of the smallest J2320.  I'm not sure what
>> exactly would make a BGP setup advanced enough to require this license,
>> though.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> -- 
>> Tore Anderson
>> Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
>> Tel: +47 21 54 41 27
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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Stacy W. Smith
On Feb 18, 2010, at 9:49 AM, Florian Weimer wrote:

> * Shane Short:
> 
>> I think the BGP licensing for JunOS is quite ridiculous..
>> 
>> I've been looking at upgrading our small network to some J series
>> routers and simply haven't, because as you said-- the price of the
>> license is almost as much as the unit itself. what gives?
> 
> As far as I can tell, everything you need to run a regular BGP router
> is there, even without the advanced BGP license.  It's likely that you
> don't have to pay the additional licensing fee.

I think you are correct. I believe the advanced BGP license is only needed if 
the router will be configured as a route reflector.

--Stacy

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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday 18 February 2010 11:41:33 pm Shane Short wrote:

> I think the BGP licensing for JunOS is quite ridiculous..
> 
> I've been looking at upgrading our small network to some
>  J series routers and simply haven't, because as you
>  said-- the price of the license is almost as much as the
>  unit itself. what gives?

This is one of the reasons it's been easier to choose 
Cisco's 7201 for route reflector purposes. This feature 
comes stock in IOS, and we don't need to pay extra for it. 
Besides, IOS, in its madness, occupies a much smaller memory 
footprint on this 2GB DRAM unit.

Having said that, due to the way Juniper implement EoMPLS 
l2vpn's (with a BGP control plane), having a J6350 is handy 
in a largely-Juniper network.

Cheers,

Mark.


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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Florian Weimer
* Shane Short:

> I think the BGP licensing for JunOS is quite ridiculous..
>
> I've been looking at upgrading our small network to some J series
> routers and simply haven't, because as you said-- the price of the
> license is almost as much as the unit itself. what gives?

As far as I can tell, everything you need to run a regular BGP router
is there, even without the advanced BGP license.  It's likely that you
don't have to pay the additional licensing fee.

-- 
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BFK edv-consulting GmbH   http://www.bfk.de/
Kriegsstraße 100  tel: +49-721-96201-1
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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Shane Short
I think the BGP licensing for JunOS is quite ridiculous..

I've been looking at upgrading our small network to some J series routers and 
simply haven't, because as you said-- the price of the license is almost as 
much as the unit itself. what gives?

-Shane

On 18/02/2010, at 11:28 PM, Tore Anderson wrote:

> * TCIS List Acct
> 
>> But don't you need the "advanced feature license" to do BGP on the
>> EX3200 series?  That license adds thousands to the cost..
> 
> There's also JX-BGP-ADV-LTU, «Advanced BGP License for J-Series», which
> almost equals the list price of the smallest J2320.  I'm not sure what
> exactly would make a BGP setup advanced enough to require this license,
> though.
> 
> Best regards,
> -- 
> Tore Anderson
> Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Morten Isaksen
This looks a lot like the setup I am builing. I think you convinced me
to go with the J2320.

What version of the OS are you running?

Any problems with ipv6 on the router?

/Morten

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Niels Raijer  wrote:
> Op 18 feb 2010, om 10:52 heeft Morten Isaksen het volgende geschreven:
>
>> As far as I am told it is 2 Gig now. Juniper has just not updated the
>> spec on the web.
>
> Correct, a J2320 can have 2 GB of RAM:
>
> ni...@nikhef-1> show chassis routing-engine
> Routing Engine status:
>    Temperature                 39 degrees C / 102 degrees F
>    CPU temperature             40 degrees C / 104 degrees F
>    DRAM                      2048 MB
>    Memory utilization          52 percent
>    CPU utilization:
>      User                       0 percent
>      Real-time threads         21 percent
>      Kernel                     2 percent
>      Idle                      77 percent
>    Model                          RE-J2320-2000
>
> Other than that, this router (along with another J2320 router with 2 GB RAM, 
> and soon to be three more) holds just over a million routes just fine:
>
> Table          Tot Paths  Act Paths Suppressed    History Damp State    
> Pending
> inet.0            995511     308800          0          0          0          > 0
> inet6.0            10670       2594          0          0          0          > 0
>
> It has three and a half full IPv4 tables and three full IPv6 tables, and more 
> than enough memory to spare as you can see above.
>
> We normally run about 60 Mbps of IMIX through this box but we have seen times 
> where it exceeded 100 Mbps without any sweat at all.
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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Niels Raijer
Op 18 feb 2010, om 16:40 heeft Tore Anderson het volgende geschreven:

>> Correct, a J2320 can have 2 GB of RAM:
> 
> Did you upgrade it to 2 GB yourself?  If so, it would be great if you
> could share which RAM manufacturer and part number you used.


Yes, we upgraded the RAM ourselves, for obvious reasons ;-)

The web shop we ordered it from (a generic PC parts web shop) had the following 
description on the order:

Product : Corsair Value Select - Memory - 512 MB - DIMM 184-pins -
DDR - 400 MHz / PC3200 - CL2.5 - non-buffered - non-ECC

Note that our network, although we have our own AS, we are a RIPE NCC member 
etc., is that of a hobby club -- we do not have an SLA to offer to our members. 
We have excellent experience with the J2320 used as full BGP routers with 
multiple transits but if you interpret any of my words as advice, please be 
sure to take into account that we do not run a commercial network on them. 

-- 
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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Dan Farrell
Depends on how well the units are selling in the market at that time hehehe. 
They seem to be especially helpful with the EX series right now.

Dan Farrell
da...@appliedi.net


-Original Message-
From: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net 
[mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:46 AM
To: 'Tore Anderson'; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Cc: 'Niels Raijer'
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

So then comes the question of support - will Juniper support you if it's
"non-standard"? ;)  I don't know ... just curious...

Paul


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Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:41 AM
To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Cc: Niels Raijer
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

* Niels Raijer

> Correct, a J2320 can have 2 GB of RAM:

Did you upgrade it to 2 GB yourself?  If so, it would be great if you
could share which RAM manufacturer and part number you used.

The February price list says (like the web site) that the J2320-JH model
ships with 1 GB of RAM.  I can't see any 2 GB alternative either.

Best regards,
--
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Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Morten Isaksen
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Tore Anderson
 wrote:
> * TCIS List Acct
>
>> But don't you need the "advanced feature license" to do BGP on the
>> EX3200 series?  That license adds thousands to the cost..
>
> There's also JX-BGP-ADV-LTU, «Advanced BGP License for J-Series», which
> almost equals the list price of the smallest J2320.  I'm not sure what
> exactly would make a BGP setup advanced enough to require this license,
> though.

Route reflector support.

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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Paul Stewart
So then comes the question of support - will Juniper support you if it's
"non-standard"? ;)  I don't know ... just curious...

Paul


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From: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net
[mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Tore Anderson
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:41 AM
To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Cc: Niels Raijer
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

* Niels Raijer

> Correct, a J2320 can have 2 GB of RAM:

Did you upgrade it to 2 GB yourself?  If so, it would be great if you
could share which RAM manufacturer and part number you used.

The February price list says (like the web site) that the J2320-JH model
ships with 1 GB of RAM.  I can't see any 2 GB alternative either.

Best regards,
-- 
Tore Anderson
Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
Tel: +47 21 54 41 27
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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Tore Anderson
* Niels Raijer

> Correct, a J2320 can have 2 GB of RAM:

Did you upgrade it to 2 GB yourself?  If so, it would be great if you
could share which RAM manufacturer and part number you used.

The February price list says (like the web site) that the J2320-JH model
ships with 1 GB of RAM.  I can't see any 2 GB alternative either.

Best regards,
-- 
Tore Anderson
Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Tore Anderson
* TCIS List Acct

> But don't you need the "advanced feature license" to do BGP on the
> EX3200 series?  That license adds thousands to the cost..

There's also JX-BGP-ADV-LTU, «Advanced BGP License for J-Series», which
almost equals the list price of the smallest J2320.  I'm not sure what
exactly would make a BGP setup advanced enough to require this license,
though.

Best regards,
-- 
Tore Anderson
Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
Tel: +47 21 54 41 27
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Re: [j-nsp] query rpd scheduler slip,memory leak

2010-02-18 Thread Aditya mahale
There is a scheduler within RPD which gives different RPD tasks time to do
processing, if RPD is busy doing a task and scheduler cannot allocate time
to other tasks to do their job you see a scheduler slip. This can be for
many varied reasons , from a HDD issue to some sw issue.

Memory leak is usually a coding issue, where a block of memory is allocated
for some task and somewhere it has not been freed. Troubleshooting mem
leak again depends what type of leak you are having: RPD mem, PFE mem,
kernel mem etc.

HTH

Aditya

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:09 AM, chandrasekaran iyer
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> what is rpd scheduler slip. how do we observe this?
>
> What is memory leak? how do we observe this in junos?
>
> --
> Thanks with regards
>
> Shekar.B
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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Joe Goldberg
I am in the middle of pilot with this very configuration, J2320 with 2
transits with full routes.  The box with 1GB of RAM was not able to
handle it.  We started to get weird performance issues and some random
crashing and hanging due to the lack of memory.  We are now evaluating a
J4350 and it seems to be working very well.  I would be very interested
though if the J2320 can take more than 1GB of RAM  now.  That would be
news to me.

Thanks,
Joe


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From: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net
[mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Dan Farrell
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:30 AM
To: Morten Isaksen; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

If you didn't need full routes you could go with the EX series for
pretty cheap.

Dan Farrell
Applied Innovations Corp.
da...@appliedi.net

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[mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Morten Isaksen
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:37 AM
To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

Hi!

I need a BGP router that can handle 2 transits with full routetable
and 100-200 Mbit throughput - most of it is VOIP traffic so small
packets.

I am planning to buy a J2320 with 2 GB RAM.

I am not planing to use any other features as BGP and a few
access-lists.

Can the J2320 handle this?

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Re: [j-nsp] EOMPLS between 10G subinterface and GE subinterface between two 7600 with Juniper MX480 as CE1

2010-02-18 Thread Aditya mahale
Couple of things:

1. When you ping from Juniper CE do you know where ping is getting dropped?
If you do monitor traffic on Juniper xe-3/1/0 do you see ping going out?

2. Can you please remove accounting and sampling on xe interface and then
try?

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Ioan Branet  wrote:

> Hello group,
>
> I have the following setup
> CE1(Juniper MX480) xe3/1/0.999 -Te7/3.999 PE1(Cisco 7600)PE2(Cisco
> 7600)Gi2/2.999---SVI 999(7600)CE2
>
> I configured EOMPLS between PE1 and PE2 and if I use Cisco 7600 as CE1 I am
> able to ping between CE1 and CE2
> If I use MX480 Juniper I cant ping between CE1 and CE2.
>
> Here is my config:
> CE1:
>
> show configuration interfaces xe-3/1/0
> description "** Link To PE1-Te7/3-EOMPLS **";
> vlan-tagging;
> link-mode full-duplex;
> gigether-options {
>no-auto-negotiation;
> }
> unit 999 {
>bandwidth 10g;
>vlan-id 999;
>family inet {
>accounting {
>source-class-usage {
>input;
>}
>}
>no-redirects;
>sampling {
>input;
>}
>address 150.1.1.2/30 {
>primary;
>preferred;
>}
>}
> }
>
>
> PE1:
>
> sh running-config interface te7/3
> Building configuration...
>
> Current configuration : 139 bytes
> !
> interface TenGigabitEthernet7/3
>  description Link to CE1 - xe-3/1/0 for EoMPLS
>  mtu 9216
>  no ip address
>  load-interval 30
> end
>
> sh running-config interface te7/3.999
> Building configuration...
>
> Current configuration : 116 bytes
> !
> interface TenGigabitEthernet7/3.999
>  encapsulation dot1Q 999
>  xconnect 2.2.2.2   encapsulation mpls
> end
>
>
> int lop0
> ip add 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.255
>
> PE2:
> interface GigabitEthernet2/2
>  description Link to CE2 for EoMPLS
>  mtu 9216
>  no ip address
>
> interface GigabitEthernet2/2.999
>  description EOMPLS_TEST
>  encapsulation dot1Q 999
>  xconnect 1.1.1.1   encapsulation mpls
> end
>
> int loop0
> ip add 2.2.2.2 255.255.255.255
>
> CE2:
>
> sh running-config interface gi2/2
> Building configuration...
>
> Current configuration : 633 bytes
> !
> interface GigabitEthernet2/2
>  description Link to PE2
>  switchport
>  switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q
>  switchport trunk allowed vlan 999
>  switchport mode trunk
>
> interface Vlan999
>  ip address 150.1.1.1 255.255.255.252
> end
>
> I have the EOMPLS circuit up but I cant ping between Juniper CE1 and Cisco
> CE2
>
> sh mpls l2transport vc  detail
> Local interface: Gi2/2.999 up, line protocol up, Eth VLAN 999 up
>  MPLS VC type is Eth VLAN, interworking type is Ethernet
>  Destination address: 1.1.1.1, VC ID: , VC status: up
>Output interface: Vl894, imposed label stack {2419 5896}
>Preferred path: not configured
>Default path: active
>Next hop: x.x.x.x
>  Create time: 00:00:06, last status change time: 00:00:06
>  Signaling protocol: LDP, peer 1.1.1.1:0 up
>Targeted Hello: x.x.x.x(LDP Id) -> y.y.y.y
>MPLS VC labels: local 1684, remote 5896
>Group ID: local 0, remote 0
>MTU: local 9216, remote 9216
>Remote interface description:
>  Sequencing: receive disabled, send disabled
>  VC statistics:
>packet totals: receive 0, send 0
>byte totals:   receive 0, send 0
>packet drops:  receive 0, send 0
>
> PE1
> #show mpls l2transport vc  detail
> Local interface: Te7/3.999 up, line protocol up, Eth VLAN 999 up
>  MPLS VC type is Eth VLAN, interworking type is Ethernet
>  Destination address: 2.2.2.2, VC ID: , VC status: up
>Output interface: Te4/3, imposed label stack {5673 1692}
>Preferred path: not configured
>Default path: active
>Next hop: x.x.x.x
>  Create time: 00:00:06, last status change time: 00:00:06
>  Signaling protocol: LDP, peer 2.2.2.2:0 up
>Targeted Hello: x.x.x.x(LDP Id) -> y.y.y.y
>MPLS VC labels: local 2083, remote 1692
>Group ID: local 0, remote 0
>MTU: local 9216, remote 9216
>
>  Sequencing: receive disabled, send disabled
>  VC statistics:
>packet totals: receive 2, send 0
>byte totals:   receive 128, send 0
>packet drops:  receive 0, send 0
>
> It seems that i send arp-reply from Juniper and the Juniper is learning arp
> from CE2:
> show arp no-resolve | match xe-3/1/0
> 00:16:9c:6d:42:80 150.1.1.1   xe-3/1/0.999   none
>
>
> Juniper PCAP Flags [Ext, In], PCAP Extension(s) total length 22
>  Device Media Type Extension TLV #3, length 1, value: Ethernet (1)
>  Logical Interface Encapsulation Extension TLV #6, length 1, value:
> Ethernet (14)
>  Device Interface Index Extension TLV #1, length 2, value: 193
>  Logical Interface Index Extension TLV #4, length 4, value: 126
>  Logical Unit Number Extension TLV #5, length 4, value: 32767
>-original packet-
>0:16:9c:6d:42:80 > Broadcast, ethertype 802.1Q (0x8100), length 64:
> vlan 999, p 0, ethertype ARP, arp who-has 150.1.1.2 tell 150.1.1.1
> 11:34:01.878596

Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Dan Farrell
If I'm not mistaken I got an EX3200-24T for around $3k (give or take) and I 
have BGP peering on it.

Dan Farrell
da...@appliedi.net


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To: Patrik Olsson
Cc: Dan Farrell; juniper-nsp
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

But don't you need the "advanced feature license" to do BGP on the EX3200
series?  That license adds thousands to the cost..

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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread TCIS List Acct
But don't you need the "advanced feature license" to do BGP on the EX3200 
series?  That license adds thousands to the cost..


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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Niels Raijer
Op 18 feb 2010, om 10:52 heeft Morten Isaksen het volgende geschreven:

> As far as I am told it is 2 Gig now. Juniper has just not updated the
> spec on the web.

Correct, a J2320 can have 2 GB of RAM:

ni...@nikhef-1> show chassis routing-engine 
Routing Engine status:
Temperature 39 degrees C / 102 degrees F
CPU temperature 40 degrees C / 104 degrees F
DRAM  2048 MB
Memory utilization  52 percent
CPU utilization:
  User   0 percent
  Real-time threads 21 percent
  Kernel 2 percent
  Idle  77 percent
Model  RE-J2320-2000

Other than that, this router (along with another J2320 router with 2 GB RAM, 
and soon to be three more) holds just over a million routes just fine:

Table  Tot Paths  Act Paths SuppressedHistory Damp StatePending
inet.0995511 308800  0  0  0  0
inet6.010670   2594  0  0  0  0

It has three and a half full IPv4 tables and three full IPv6 tables, and more 
than enough memory to spare as you can see above.

We normally run about 60 Mbps of IMIX through this box but we have seen times 
where it exceeded 100 Mbps without any sweat at all.
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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Patrik Olsson
If you actually only have one exit from you AS, you dont need the full
tables. You can use local pref and make sure the ISPs upstream only
announce a default route via BGP.

But if you intend to reannounce the tables backwards or to other
customer of your own downstream, I would go for J6350 aswell. 2 full
feeds and about 1 Gbps capacity is what I have in a customers network I
designed and implemented.

Patrik


Paul Stewart wrote:
> Yes, but he's stated two transits so presumed that meant full tables X 2
> ..
> 
> We're ordering a J6350 for this purpose to be safe... we were told that we
> had to go J6350 to hold two full tables...
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net
> [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Dan Farrell
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:30 AM
> To: Morten Isaksen; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
> 
> If you didn't need full routes you could go with the EX series for pretty
> cheap.
> 
> Dan Farrell
> Applied Innovations Corp.
> da...@appliedi.net
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:37 AM
> To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
> Subject: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I need a BGP router that can handle 2 transits with full routetable
> and 100-200 Mbit throughput - most of it is VOIP traffic so small
> packets.
> 
> I am planning to buy a J2320 with 2 GB RAM.
> 
> I am not planing to use any other features as BGP and a few access-lists.
> 
> Can the J2320 handle this?
> 
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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Patrik Olsson
Yes, if you only are announced a default route via BGP from two peers
and use local preference to choose which one to use... you get away with
a lot of ports in line rate capacity with an EX3200 at low price!

But then,if you only need 200 Mbps, you could go for SRX210 or SRX240
w/advanced license for BGP. Cheaper than J series!

Patrik

Dan Farrell wrote:
> If you didn't need full routes you could go with the EX series for pretty 
> cheap.
> 
> Dan Farrell
> Applied Innovations Corp.
> da...@appliedi.net
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:37 AM
> To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
> Subject: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I need a BGP router that can handle 2 transits with full routetable
> and 100-200 Mbit throughput - most of it is VOIP traffic so small
> packets.
> 
> I am planning to buy a J2320 with 2 GB RAM.
> 
> I am not planing to use any other features as BGP and a few access-lists.
> 
> Can the J2320 handle this?
> 
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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Patrik Olsson
Hi!

You can "turn off" the netscreen flow style of forwarding and fall back
to packet based forwarding in J series and SRX for that matter. But
still, the perfomance number stays the same even if you keep the flow
based forwarding instead och packet based.

And it is still JUNOS in both J and SRX... same features! But a
security stanza where you get the ScreenOS features available aswell!
Replaces on J series and SRX the old services/stateful firewall.

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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Paul Stewart
Yes, but he's stated two transits so presumed that meant full tables X 2
..

We're ordering a J6350 for this purpose to be safe... we were told that we
had to go J6350 to hold two full tables...

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[mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Dan Farrell
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:30 AM
To: Morten Isaksen; juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

If you didn't need full routes you could go with the EX series for pretty
cheap.

Dan Farrell
Applied Innovations Corp.
da...@appliedi.net

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Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:37 AM
To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

Hi!

I need a BGP router that can handle 2 transits with full routetable
and 100-200 Mbit throughput - most of it is VOIP traffic so small
packets.

I am planning to buy a J2320 with 2 GB RAM.

I am not planing to use any other features as BGP and a few access-lists.

Can the J2320 handle this?

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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Dan Farrell
If you didn't need full routes you could go with the EX series for pretty cheap.

Dan Farrell
Applied Innovations Corp.
da...@appliedi.net

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Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:37 AM
To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

Hi!

I need a BGP router that can handle 2 transits with full routetable
and 100-200 Mbit throughput - most of it is VOIP traffic so small
packets.

I am planning to buy a J2320 with 2 GB RAM.

I am not planing to use any other features as BGP and a few access-lists.

Can the J2320 handle this?

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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Florian Weimer
* Patrik Olsson:

> I'd say the 200 Mbps wont work... J2320 is 100 Mbps around... and I
> think that is iMix, not small packets. I think you need a J4350.

It seems J-series has been repositioned as a NetScreen-like security
appliance (which is also reflected in configuration defaults).  Does
it still make sense to use them for new deployments as ordinary
routers?

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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Patrik Olsson
Hi!

I'd say the 200 Mbps wont work... J2320 is 100 Mbps around... and I
think that is iMix, not small packets. I think you need a J4350.

I run a J2320 myself as an BGP Internet router for a webhotel. I can
handle upto 100 Mbps traffic with no problem. I also potentially have
room for another full feed in the RAM.

Patrik


Morten Isaksen wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I need a BGP router that can handle 2 transits with full routetable
> and 100-200 Mbit throughput - most of it is VOIP traffic so small
> packets.
> 
> I am planning to buy a J2320 with 2 GB RAM.
> 
> I am not planing to use any other features as BGP and a few access-lists.
> 
> Can the J2320 handle this?
> 


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[j-nsp] query rpd scheduler slip,memory leak

2010-02-18 Thread chandrasekaran iyer
Hi,

what is rpd scheduler slip. how do we observe this?

What is memory leak? how do we observe this in junos?

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Re: [j-nsp] CompactFlash Card

2010-02-18 Thread HahnC
Hi Erol,

you talked about CF and I overlooked that you also wrote to use it as
PCMCIA Device. So I assumed you want to replace your existing CF on the
RE. Am I correct? 
I've never done this CF-PCMCIA stuff, so sorry for the spam :-\

cheers,
Christian
>Thank you for link. But there is information about how to 
>replace CF on RE, and minimum requirements for working configuration.
>I also suspect about my ULTRA CF card, but i saw some working 
>examples in that e-mail group.
>
>===
>
>I have successfully done this on RE-400s on M7i's.
>
>I used Sandisk 2GB Ultra II 15MB/s CFs. I believe the actual 
>part number is SDCFH-002G-A11.
>
>===
>
>
>ha...@t-systems.com wrote On 18-02-2010 13:24:
>> Hi there
>>
>> please take a look at
>> 
>http://juniper.cluepon.net/index.php/Replacing/upgrading_the_CF_on_a_R
>> E
>>
>>
>>> I've seen somewhere on Juniper's website that the maximum 
>allowed CF 
>>> on M7i is 1GB.
>>>  
>> I've upgraded a RE5.0 by myself and have a SanDisk 
>SDCJF-2048 working.
>> It could be possible that fact that you try to use an Ultra CF card 
>> could be the problem. Could be that this is an issue with CF 
>> controller, try to use standard CF instead.
>>
>> 
>==8<==
>> Routing Engine   REV 09   740-009459   xxRE-5.0
>>ad01953 MB  SanDisk SDCFJ-2048   004121E1108J2007  
>Compact Flash
>>ad1   38154 MB  ST940818AM     Hard Disk
>> 
>==8<==
>>
>> cheers,
>> Christian
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> V.Vasilev
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Erol KAHRAMAN
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  
 Hello,

 I bought a compactflash card (SanDisk Ultra 2GB) and planned

>>> to use it
>>>  
 for my M7i box. However, when i insert it to my pcmci

>>> interface i saw
>>>  
 that it is not in my storage device list. In my log file i

>>> get the following lines:
>>>  
 /kernel: ad3: Device does not support APM
 /kernel: ad3: 1918MB  at

>>> ata2-master PIO4
>>>  
 I also try to prepare CF disk as a bootable media from my 
>linux box.

 dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd1 bs=512 count=1024 dd 
 if=install-media-10.0R2.10-domestic of=/dev/sdd1 bs=64k

 After rebooting my router nothing happened.

 What could be the problem? Is there a way to use my CF card

>>> as storage
>>>  
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Re: [j-nsp] CompactFlash Card

2010-02-18 Thread Erol KAHRAMAN
Thank you for link. But there is information about how to replace CF on 
RE, and minimum requirements for working configuration.
I also suspect about my ULTRA CF card, but i saw some working examples 
in that e-mail group.


===

I have successfully done this on RE-400s on M7i's.

I used Sandisk 2GB Ultra II 15MB/s CFs. I believe the actual part number is
SDCFH-002G-A11.

===


ha...@t-systems.com wrote On 18-02-2010 13:24:

Hi there

please take a look at
http://juniper.cluepon.net/index.php/Replacing/upgrading_the_CF_on_a_RE

   

I've seen somewhere on Juniper's website that the maximum
allowed CF on M7i is 1GB.
 

I've upgraded a RE5.0 by myself and have a SanDisk SDCJF-2048 working.
It could be possible that fact that you try to use an Ultra CF card
could be the problem. Could be that this is an issue with CF controller,
try to use standard CF instead.

==8<==
Routing Engine   REV 09   740-009459   xxRE-5.0
   ad01953 MB  SanDisk SDCFJ-2048   004121E1108J2007  Compact Flash
   ad1   38154 MB  ST940818AM     Hard Disk
==8<==

cheers,
Christian

   


Regards,
V.Vasilev


On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Erol KAHRAMAN
wrote:

 

Hello,

I bought a compactflash card (SanDisk Ultra 2GB) and planned
   

to use it
 

for my M7i box. However, when i insert it to my pcmci
   

interface i saw
 

that it is not in my storage device list. In my log file i
   

get the following lines:
 

/kernel: ad3: Device does not support APM
/kernel: ad3: 1918MB  at
   

ata2-master PIO4
 

I also try to prepare CF disk as a bootable media from my linux box.

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd1 bs=512 count=1024 dd
if=install-media-10.0R2.10-domestic of=/dev/sdd1 bs=64k

After rebooting my router nothing happened.

What could be the problem? Is there a way to use my CF card
   

as storage
 

device in my router?
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Re: [j-nsp] CompactFlash Card

2010-02-18 Thread HahnC
Hi there

please take a look at
http://juniper.cluepon.net/index.php/Replacing/upgrading_the_CF_on_a_RE

>
>I've seen somewhere on Juniper's website that the maximum 
>allowed CF on M7i is 1GB.

I've upgraded a RE5.0 by myself and have a SanDisk SDCJF-2048 working.
It could be possible that fact that you try to use an Ultra CF card
could be the problem. Could be that this is an issue with CF controller,
try to use standard CF instead.

==8<==
Routing Engine   REV 09   740-009459   xxRE-5.0
  ad01953 MB  SanDisk SDCFJ-2048   004121E1108J2007  Compact Flash
  ad1   38154 MB  ST940818AM     Hard Disk
==8<==

cheers,
Christian

>
>
>Regards,
>V.Vasilev
>
>
>On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Erol KAHRAMAN 
>wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I bought a compactflash card (SanDisk Ultra 2GB) and planned 
>to use it 
>> for my M7i box. However, when i insert it to my pcmci 
>interface i saw 
>> that it is not in my storage device list. In my log file i 
>get the following lines:
>>
>> /kernel: ad3: Device does not support APM
>> /kernel: ad3: 1918MB  at 
>ata2-master PIO4
>>
>> I also try to prepare CF disk as a bootable media from my linux box.
>>
>> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd1 bs=512 count=1024 dd 
>> if=install-media-10.0R2.10-domestic of=/dev/sdd1 bs=64k
>>
>> After rebooting my router nothing happened.
>>
>> What could be the problem? Is there a way to use my CF card 
>as storage 
>> device in my router?
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Re: [j-nsp] CompactFlash Card

2010-02-18 Thread Vladislav Vasilev
I've seen somewhere on Juniper's website that the maximum allowed CF on M7i
is 1GB.


Regards,
V.Vasilev


On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Erol KAHRAMAN wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I bought a compactflash card (SanDisk Ultra 2GB) and planned to use it for
> my M7i box. However, when i insert it to my pcmci interface i saw that it is
> not in my storage device list. In my log file i get the following lines:
>
> /kernel: ad3: Device does not support APM
> /kernel: ad3: 1918MB  at ata2-master PIO4
>
> I also try to prepare CF disk as a bootable media from my linux box.
>
> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd1 bs=512 count=1024
> dd if=install-media-10.0R2.10-domestic of=/dev/sdd1 bs=64k
>
> After rebooting my router nothing happened.
>
> What could be the problem? Is there a way to use my CF card as storage
> device in my router?
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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Morten Isaksen
As far as I am told it is 2 Gig now. Juniper has just not updated the
spec on the web.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
> BTW - the max memory in a J2320 is 1 Gig..;)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net
> [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Morten Isaksen
> Sent: February-18-10 4:37 AM
> To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
> Subject: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router
>
> Hi!
>
> I need a BGP router that can handle 2 transits with full routetable
> and 100-200 Mbit throughput - most of it is VOIP traffic so small
> packets.
>
> I am planning to buy a J2320 with 2 GB RAM.
>
> I am not planing to use any other features as BGP and a few access-lists.
>
> Can the J2320 handle this?
>
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Re: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Paul Stewart
No... I looked at the same thing.  Going by the specs (unless I'm
misunderstanding) with 1 Gig RAM it's limited to 400k BGP routes... 

I really hope someone could prove me wrong ;)  The 6350 handles 1000k BGP
routes with 2 Gig RAM just getting ready to order one of them for the
same purpose and traffic levels you have in mind (for a customer site)

Paul


-Original Message-
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[mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Morten Isaksen
Sent: February-18-10 4:37 AM
To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: [j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

Hi!

I need a BGP router that can handle 2 transits with full routetable
and 100-200 Mbit throughput - most of it is VOIP traffic so small
packets.

I am planning to buy a J2320 with 2 GB RAM.

I am not planing to use any other features as BGP and a few access-lists.

Can the J2320 handle this?

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[j-nsp] J2320 as BGP router

2010-02-18 Thread Morten Isaksen
Hi!

I need a BGP router that can handle 2 transits with full routetable
and 100-200 Mbit throughput - most of it is VOIP traffic so small
packets.

I am planning to buy a J2320 with 2 GB RAM.

I am not planing to use any other features as BGP and a few access-lists.

Can the J2320 handle this?

-- 
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[j-nsp] non juniper SFP in MX(No virus check: scan engine not ready)

2010-02-18 Thread Georgios Vlachos
Hello list,

 

I know non juniper SFP work in MX but would you be worried if you they are
not recognized at all by chassisd? Moreover show chassis hardware or
pic-status does not list the SFPs at all. On the other hand the links come
up and forward traffic with no apparent errors. Would you feel confident
about it?

 


l...@mx960_ lab# run show log chassisd| last

.


Feb 16 15:50:10 pic_copy_port_info:Got cable_type for FPC 0 PIC 2 port 6
cable num=0, str=

 

Thank you in advance,

 

George

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[j-nsp] CompactFlash Card

2010-02-18 Thread Erol KAHRAMAN

Hello,

I bought a compactflash card (SanDisk Ultra 2GB) and planned to use it 
for my M7i box. However, when i insert it to my pcmci interface i saw 
that it is not in my storage device list. In my log file i get the 
following lines:


/kernel: ad3: Device does not support APM
/kernel: ad3: 1918MB  at ata2-master PIO4

I also try to prepare CF disk as a bootable media from my linux box.

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd1 bs=512 count=1024
dd if=install-media-10.0R2.10-domestic of=/dev/sdd1 bs=64k

After rebooting my router nothing happened.

What could be the problem? Is there a way to use my CF card as storage 
device in my router?

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