Re: [j-nsp] JunOS 10.4R8.5 on MX5? Am I forced to run 11.4+?

2012-04-10 Thread Timh Bergström
2012/4/4 Jeff Wheeler j...@inconcepts.biz:
 I just got an MX80 that won't boot 10.4 software.  Like you, I did not
 want to upgrade to newer software yet, as my existing MX80s are all
 running 10.4R4.5 and we are satisfied with it.

 FYI my Midplane is REV 09, PEMs REV 04, QXM REV 06.  All part numbers
 are identical to my existing MX80 routers in this network, the only
 difference is the hardware revision numbers, and the fact that this
 device doesn't seem to want to run 10.4.  I guess I won't plan on
 deploying any new MX80s until I have time to test 11.2 or newer.
 --
 Jeff S Wheeler j...@inconcepts.biz
 Sr Network Operator  /  Innovative Network Concepts

Interesting, my MX5-T's midplane is rev 08, pem's rev 04, qxm rev 06,
so it seems that the midplane is different but otherwise the same.
Isn't there a couple of Juniper employees here that could shed some
light into this? I'm currently running 11.2R5.4 as per the
JTAC-recommendation list, I have nothing major to complain about but
still, would prefer running 10.4-series as with the other edges.

//T



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Re: [j-nsp] JunOS 10.4R8.5 on MX5? Am I forced to run 11.4+?

2012-04-03 Thread Jeff Wheeler
2012/3/22 Timh Bergström timh.bergst...@videoplaza.com:
 I recently bought a MX5-T (Instead of the MX80-5G) and I'm running
 10.4R8.5 on my other MX80s and would naturally like to run the same
 codebase on all my MX-series hardware. However when I try to install
 the 10.4R8.5 release on the MX5-T it says that the platform is not
 supported, I thought the MX5/10/40 was the same hardware as the MX80
 (it surely looks the same, side-by-side)?

I just got an MX80 that won't boot 10.4 software.  Like you, I did not
want to upgrade to newer software yet, as my existing MX80s are all
running 10.4R4.5 and we are satisfied with it.

FYI my Midplane is REV 09, PEMs REV 04, QXM REV 06.  All part numbers
are identical to my existing MX80 routers in this network, the only
difference is the hardware revision numbers, and the fact that this
device doesn't seem to want to run 10.4.  I guess I won't plan on
deploying any new MX80s until I have time to test 11.2 or newer.
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Re: [j-nsp] JunOS 10.4R8.5 on MX5? Am I forced to run 11.4+?

2012-03-26 Thread Timh Bergström
Wow, that sucks major meatballs, thanks for the clarification.

So there might be an option to hack that into the supported list of
hardware so the damn code will boot at least. I'll look at it if I
have the time. :-)

Or if we all yell high enough they might release 10.4S to support the
MX5-10-40-T chassis.

//T

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Christopher E. Brown
chris.br...@acsalaska.net wrote:


 The _only_ issue is that the chassis ident is MX5-T/40-T etc...

 The ID is not in the list so JunOS refuses to finish booting.


 We had some part numbers swapped, asked for MX80-40 in late December and
 received MX40-T, just had 7 of them swapped out.  (We are currently
 running 10.4, no way in hell I am jumping to 11.2 or 11.4 at this time).


 The interesting thing about this...  All of the support and sales folks
 I talked to have been under the impression for the last 6+ months that
 the new MXxx-T units were just a grey chassis version of the MX80-T
 (modular MX80 w/ timing).  They all though it was just a part number
 change for the re-badged/colored units.

 I stopped yelling at them when they had to go to business unit
 management to find out that yes, 11.2 and later only and no there would
 not be a 10.4S release that added the new chassis IDs for those of us
 caught in the middle.



 On 3/22/12 6:19 AM, OBrien, Will wrote:
 I think it's a matter of the newer switching fabric only being supported in 
 11.

 Will O'Brien

 On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Per Granath per.gran...@gcc.com.cy wrote:

 I suspect the 10.4 would not lock down the XE ports on the chassis, so 
 there is a reason for not allowing it to work...


 It's quite weird, especially since I can upgrade the system to a full  
 MX80
 with licences only, and if I do that I expect that I will be able to run my
 standard release (10.4R8.5) which I run on my other MX80s (which is the 
 full
 MX80 btw).

 So basically, I feel a bit cheated that I had to wait for MX5 to be 
 released
 when I could get a MX80-5G.

 I'm going to try to install 11.2R5.4 (recommended release) on it now, I do 
 not
 trust a R1-release. Ever. ;-) I might also try create a technical support 
 ticket or
 raise hell with my SR to try to make the 10.4-series to support MX5/10/40s
 unless someone else has done it already.


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Re: [j-nsp] JunOS 10.4R8.5 on MX5? Am I forced to run 11.4+?

2012-03-25 Thread Christopher E. Brown


The _only_ issue is that the chassis ident is MX5-T/40-T etc...

The ID is not in the list so JunOS refuses to finish booting.


We had some part numbers swapped, asked for MX80-40 in late December and
received MX40-T, just had 7 of them swapped out.  (We are currently
running 10.4, no way in hell I am jumping to 11.2 or 11.4 at this time).


The interesting thing about this...  All of the support and sales folks
I talked to have been under the impression for the last 6+ months that
the new MXxx-T units were just a grey chassis version of the MX80-T
(modular MX80 w/ timing).  They all though it was just a part number
change for the re-badged/colored units.

I stopped yelling at them when they had to go to business unit
management to find out that yes, 11.2 and later only and no there would
not be a 10.4S release that added the new chassis IDs for those of us
caught in the middle.



On 3/22/12 6:19 AM, OBrien, Will wrote:
 I think it's a matter of the newer switching fabric only being supported in 
 11.
 
 Will O'Brien
 
 On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Per Granath per.gran...@gcc.com.cy wrote:
 
 I suspect the 10.4 would not lock down the XE ports on the chassis, so there 
 is a reason for not allowing it to work...


 It's quite weird, especially since I can upgrade the system to a full  
 MX80
 with licences only, and if I do that I expect that I will be able to run my
 standard release (10.4R8.5) which I run on my other MX80s (which is the full
 MX80 btw).

 So basically, I feel a bit cheated that I had to wait for MX5 to be 
 released
 when I could get a MX80-5G.

 I'm going to try to install 11.2R5.4 (recommended release) on it now, I do 
 not
 trust a R1-release. Ever. ;-) I might also try create a technical support 
 ticket or
 raise hell with my SR to try to make the 10.4-series to support MX5/10/40s
 unless someone else has done it already.


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Re: [j-nsp] JunOS 10.4R8.5 on MX5? Am I forced to run 11.4+?

2012-03-23 Thread Timh Bergström
Perhaps, I wish it was still allowed to run earlier code, they've had
honor-based restrictions before and I just think that it should
continue like that. Locking down stuff will only make people find
keygens/license generators and do it anyway if they don't honor the
restrictions in the first place.

If it's purely because there is NEW hardware that require the new
software in the newer MX5/10/40-T series then fine, if it's for
locking down ports/enforcing license restrictions then they have a
very skewed priority, instead of fixing bugs they introduce
lock-downs. :-P

Just my 2c.

//T

2012/3/22 Per Granath per.gran...@gcc.com.cy:
 I suspect the 10.4 would not lock down the XE ports on the chassis, so there 
 is a reason for not allowing it to work...


 It's quite weird, especially since I can upgrade the system to a full  MX80
 with licences only, and if I do that I expect that I will be able to run my
 standard release (10.4R8.5) which I run on my other MX80s (which is the full
 MX80 btw).

 So basically, I feel a bit cheated that I had to wait for MX5 to be 
 released
 when I could get a MX80-5G.

 I'm going to try to install 11.2R5.4 (recommended release) on it now, I do 
 not
 trust a R1-release. Ever. ;-) I might also try create a technical support 
 ticket or
 raise hell with my SR to try to make the 10.4-series to support MX5/10/40s
 unless someone else has done it already.



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Re: [j-nsp] JunOS 10.4R8.5 on MX5? Am I forced to run 11.4+?

2012-03-23 Thread Mike Williams
On Thursday 22 March 2012 13:00:57 Timh Bergström wrote:
 I'm going to try to install 11.2R5.4 (recommended release) on it now,
 I do not trust a R1-release. Ever. ;-)

FYI, I've just noticed 11.4R2.14 appeared yesterday (22nd).
Only been 4 months since the R1 release...

Typically I downloaded and upgraded an SRX220 to 11.2 yesterday (evening GMT) 
for better IPv6 support, as new no 11.4 release had showed up yet.

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Re: [j-nsp] JunOS 10.4R8.5 on MX5? Am I forced to run 11.4+?

2012-03-22 Thread Tima Maryin

Hi,


Here:
http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/junos11.2/information-products/topic-collections/release-notes/11.2/topic-57399.html


New MX5, MX10, and MX40 3D Universal Edge Routers—Three new routers 
based on the modular MX80 chassis are available in Junos OS Release 11.2R6.



Though in 11.4 relnotes it's 11.2R3 :-/
So you probably should try 11.2R6.




On 22.03.2012 11:16, Timh Bergström wrote:

Hi,

I recently bought a MX5-T (Instead of the MX80-5G) and I'm running
10.4R8.5 on my other MX80s and would naturally like to run the same
codebase on all my MX-series hardware. However when I try to install
the 10.4R8.5 release on the MX5-T it says that the platform is not
supported, I thought the MX5/10/40 was the same hardware as the MX80
(it surely looks the same, side-by-side)?

Does anyone have any thoughts or information on this? It got delivered
with 11.4R1.14 and I actually have no use of imix/etc whatever the new
features is in the 11.X, I just want to run them as network edges with
eBGP, iBGP and OSPF, no special stuff, and I'm happy with 10.4R8.5 so
far.

I also tried (for fun) to downgrade to 11.2R5.4 (which is the
recommended release according to JTAC) but that didn't work either,
the mgd process core-dumped and the validation failed, I did not run
with no-validate (yet) for neither of the softwares.

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Re: [j-nsp] JunOS 10.4R8.5 on MX5? Am I forced to run 11.4+?

2012-03-22 Thread Timh Bergström
Hi,

Thanks for the information, it gives some answers. But what would
actually happen if I try to install 10.4R8.5 with no-validate etc and
force it to accept it, would it stop working or not, since it's the
same hardware as the MX80 but with other descriptions it should
work, but I'm unsure. Don't want to brick it. :-)

//T

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Tima Maryin timamar...@mail.ru wrote:
 Hi,


 Here:
 http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/junos11.2/information-products/topic-collections/release-notes/11.2/topic-57399.html


 New MX5, MX10, and MX40 3D Universal Edge Routers—Three new routers based
 on the modular MX80 chassis are available in Junos OS Release 11.2R6.


 Though in 11.4 relnotes it's 11.2R3 :-/
 So you probably should try 11.2R6.





 On 22.03.2012 11:16, Timh Bergström wrote:

 Hi,

 I recently bought a MX5-T (Instead of the MX80-5G) and I'm running
 10.4R8.5 on my other MX80s and would naturally like to run the same
 codebase on all my MX-series hardware. However when I try to install
 the 10.4R8.5 release on the MX5-T it says that the platform is not
 supported, I thought the MX5/10/40 was the same hardware as the MX80
 (it surely looks the same, side-by-side)?

 Does anyone have any thoughts or information on this? It got delivered
 with 11.4R1.14 and I actually have no use of imix/etc whatever the new
 features is in the 11.X, I just want to run them as network edges with
 eBGP, iBGP and OSPF, no special stuff, and I'm happy with 10.4R8.5 so
 far.

 I also tried (for fun) to downgrade to 11.2R5.4 (which is the
 recommended release according to JTAC) but that didn't work either,
 the mgd process core-dumped and the validation failed, I did not run
 with no-validate (yet) for neither of the softwares.

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Re: [j-nsp] JunOS 10.4R8.5 on MX5? Am I forced to run 11.4+?

2012-03-22 Thread Tima Maryin

I suppose it will not work.


Also look at:
http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/release-independent/junos/topics/reference/general/mx80-features.html


On 22.03.2012 12:20, Timh Bergström wrote:

Hi,

Thanks for the information, it gives some answers. But what would
actually happen if I try to install 10.4R8.5 with no-validate etc and
force it to accept it, would it stop working or not, since it's the
same hardware as the MX80 but with other descriptions it should
work, but I'm unsure. Don't want to brick it. :-)

//T

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Tima Maryintimamar...@mail.ru  wrote:

Hi,


Here:
http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/junos11.2/information-products/topic-collections/release-notes/11.2/topic-57399.html


New MX5, MX10, and MX40 3D Universal Edge Routers—Three new routers based
on the modular MX80 chassis are available in Junos OS Release 11.2R6.


Though in 11.4 relnotes it's 11.2R3 :-/
So you probably should try 11.2R6.


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Re: [j-nsp] JunOS 10.4R8.5 on MX5? Am I forced to run 11.4+?

2012-03-22 Thread Antti Ristimäki
11.2R4.3 worked with our MX5/MX40s, although we upgraded to 11.2R6.3
because of a mib2d memory leak in 11.2R4.3. Other than that, it worked
pretty OK at least with trivial config.

AR

On 03/22/2012 10:13 AM, Tima Maryin wrote:
 Hi,


 Here:
 http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/junos11.2/information-products/topic-collections/release-notes/11.2/topic-57399.html


 New MX5, MX10, and MX40 3D Universal Edge Routers—Three new routers 
 based on the modular MX80 chassis are available in Junos OS Release 11.2R6.


 Though in 11.4 relnotes it's 11.2R3 :-/
 So you probably should try 11.2R6.




 On 22.03.2012 11:16, Timh Bergström wrote:
 Hi,

 I recently bought a MX5-T (Instead of the MX80-5G) and I'm running
 10.4R8.5 on my other MX80s and would naturally like to run the same
 codebase on all my MX-series hardware. However when I try to install
 the 10.4R8.5 release on the MX5-T it says that the platform is not
 supported, I thought the MX5/10/40 was the same hardware as the MX80
 (it surely looks the same, side-by-side)?

 Does anyone have any thoughts or information on this? It got delivered
 with 11.4R1.14 and I actually have no use of imix/etc whatever the new
 features is in the 11.X, I just want to run them as network edges with
 eBGP, iBGP and OSPF, no special stuff, and I'm happy with 10.4R8.5 so
 far.

 I also tried (for fun) to downgrade to 11.2R5.4 (which is the
 recommended release according to JTAC) but that didn't work either,
 the mgd process core-dumped and the validation failed, I did not run
 with no-validate (yet) for neither of the softwares.
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Re: [j-nsp] JunOS 10.4R8.5 on MX5? Am I forced to run 11.4+?

2012-03-22 Thread Paul Stewart
Yeah, we just ran into this weird release issue with hardware not being 
supported - in this case MX10-T  

Anyways, I did do a no validate on a downgrade and it was miserable (had to 
reinstall OS via USB key).  Live and learn ... ;)

Running 11.2R5.4 on a pair of them at moment - as long as you're not doing BRAS 
functions it seems to work ok with BGP/MPLS/OSPF/IPv6

Paul


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From: juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net 
[mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Antti Ristimäki
Sent: March-22-12 7:22 AM
To: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] JunOS 10.4R8.5 on MX5? Am I forced to run 11.4+?

11.2R4.3 worked with our MX5/MX40s, although we upgraded to 11.2R6.3 because of 
a mib2d memory leak in 11.2R4.3. Other than that, it worked pretty OK at least 
with trivial config.

AR

On 03/22/2012 10:13 AM, Tima Maryin wrote:
 Hi,


 Here:
 http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/junos11.2/information-products/t
 opic-collections/release-notes/11.2/topic-57399.html


 New MX5, MX10, and MX40 3D Universal Edge Routers—Three new routers 
 based on the modular MX80 chassis are available in Junos OS Release 11.2R6.


 Though in 11.4 relnotes it's 11.2R3 :-/ So you probably should try 
 11.2R6.




 On 22.03.2012 11:16, Timh Bergström wrote:
 Hi,

 I recently bought a MX5-T (Instead of the MX80-5G) and I'm running
 10.4R8.5 on my other MX80s and would naturally like to run the same 
 codebase on all my MX-series hardware. However when I try to install 
 the 10.4R8.5 release on the MX5-T it says that the platform is not 
 supported, I thought the MX5/10/40 was the same hardware as the MX80 
 (it surely looks the same, side-by-side)?

 Does anyone have any thoughts or information on this? It got 
 delivered with 11.4R1.14 and I actually have no use of imix/etc 
 whatever the new features is in the 11.X, I just want to run them as 
 network edges with eBGP, iBGP and OSPF, no special stuff, and I'm 
 happy with 10.4R8.5 so far.

 I also tried (for fun) to downgrade to 11.2R5.4 (which is the 
 recommended release according to JTAC) but that didn't work either, 
 the mgd process core-dumped and the validation failed, I did not run 
 with no-validate (yet) for neither of the softwares.
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Re: [j-nsp] JunOS 10.4R8.5 on MX5? Am I forced to run 11.4+?

2012-03-22 Thread Paul Stewart
It will crash miserably. been there, done that ;)  I can't remember which 
release I was downgrading to and from... but I did try to downgrade an MX10 and 
got the hardware not supported error.  Went ahead anyways and poof!

Had to reinstall with USB ... thankfully it wasn't in production and I was 
onsite...

Paul


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Sent: March-22-12 4:21 AM
To: Tima Maryin
Cc: juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [j-nsp] JunOS 10.4R8.5 on MX5? Am I forced to run 11.4+?

Hi,

Thanks for the information, it gives some answers. But what would actually 
happen if I try to install 10.4R8.5 with no-validate etc and force it to 
accept it, would it stop working or not, since it's the same hardware as the 
MX80 but with other descriptions it should work, but I'm unsure. Don't want 
to brick it. :-)

//T

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Tima Maryin timamar...@mail.ru wrote:
 Hi,


 Here:
 http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/junos11.2/information-products/t
 opic-collections/release-notes/11.2/topic-57399.html


 New MX5, MX10, and MX40 3D Universal Edge Routers—Three new routers 
 based on the modular MX80 chassis are available in Junos OS Release 11.2R6.


 Though in 11.4 relnotes it's 11.2R3 :-/ So you probably should try 
 11.2R6.





 On 22.03.2012 11:16, Timh Bergström wrote:

 Hi,

 I recently bought a MX5-T (Instead of the MX80-5G) and I'm running
 10.4R8.5 on my other MX80s and would naturally like to run the same 
 codebase on all my MX-series hardware. However when I try to install 
 the 10.4R8.5 release on the MX5-T it says that the platform is not 
 supported, I thought the MX5/10/40 was the same hardware as the MX80 
 (it surely looks the same, side-by-side)?

 Does anyone have any thoughts or information on this? It got 
 delivered with 11.4R1.14 and I actually have no use of imix/etc 
 whatever the new features is in the 11.X, I just want to run them as 
 network edges with eBGP, iBGP and OSPF, no special stuff, and I'm 
 happy with 10.4R8.5 so far.

 I also tried (for fun) to downgrade to 11.2R5.4 (which is the 
 recommended release according to JTAC) but that didn't work either, 
 the mgd process core-dumped and the validation failed, I did not run 
 with no-validate (yet) for neither of the softwares.

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Re: [j-nsp] JunOS 10.4R8.5 on MX5? Am I forced to run 11.4+?

2012-03-22 Thread Per Granath
I suspect the 10.4 would not lock down the XE ports on the chassis, so there is 
a reason for not allowing it to work...


 It's quite weird, especially since I can upgrade the system to a full  MX80
 with licences only, and if I do that I expect that I will be able to run my
 standard release (10.4R8.5) which I run on my other MX80s (which is the full
 MX80 btw).
 
 So basically, I feel a bit cheated that I had to wait for MX5 to be released
 when I could get a MX80-5G.
 
 I'm going to try to install 11.2R5.4 (recommended release) on it now, I do not
 trust a R1-release. Ever. ;-) I might also try create a technical support 
 ticket or
 raise hell with my SR to try to make the 10.4-series to support MX5/10/40s
 unless someone else has done it already.

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Re: [j-nsp] JunOS 10.4R8.5 on MX5? Am I forced to run 11.4+?

2012-03-22 Thread OBrien, Will
I think it's a matter of the newer switching fabric only being supported in 11.

Will O'Brien

On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Per Granath per.gran...@gcc.com.cy wrote:

 I suspect the 10.4 would not lock down the XE ports on the chassis, so there 
 is a reason for not allowing it to work...
 
 
 It's quite weird, especially since I can upgrade the system to a full  MX80
 with licences only, and if I do that I expect that I will be able to run my
 standard release (10.4R8.5) which I run on my other MX80s (which is the full
 MX80 btw).
 
 So basically, I feel a bit cheated that I had to wait for MX5 to be 
 released
 when I could get a MX80-5G.
 
 I'm going to try to install 11.2R5.4 (recommended release) on it now, I do 
 not
 trust a R1-release. Ever. ;-) I might also try create a technical support 
 ticket or
 raise hell with my SR to try to make the 10.4-series to support MX5/10/40s
 unless someone else has done it already.
 
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Re: [j-nsp] JunOS 10.4R8.5 on MX5? Am I forced to run 11.4+?

2012-03-22 Thread Jerry Jones
I believe you have one of the fixed configuration boxes which are different 
than the fully modular boxes, those do have additional capabilities such as 
h-qos

Would suspect diferent minimum codes based on that

On Mar 22, 2012, at 12:16 AM, Timh Bergström wrote:

Hi,

I recently bought a MX5-T (Instead of the MX80-5G) and I'm running
10.4R8.5 on my other MX80s and would naturally like to run the same
codebase on all my MX-series hardware. However when I try to install
the 10.4R8.5 release on the MX5-T it says that the platform is not
supported, I thought the MX5/10/40 was the same hardware as the MX80
(it surely looks the same, side-by-side)?

Does anyone have any thoughts or information on this? It got delivered
with 11.4R1.14 and I actually have no use of imix/etc whatever the new
features is in the 11.X, I just want to run them as network edges with
eBGP, iBGP and OSPF, no special stuff, and I'm happy with 10.4R8.5 so
far.

I also tried (for fun) to downgrade to 11.2R5.4 (which is the
recommended release according to JTAC) but that didn't work either,
the mgd process core-dumped and the validation failed, I did not run
with no-validate (yet) for neither of the softwares.

Thanks,
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Videoplaza/System Operations

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