KR> Other KR SITE
On 2014-02-10 11:12 AM, Wayne Tokarz wrote: Put me on the list for those who don't like Yahoo Stan > I have been using Yahoo groups for years, has always been a royal pain. > Nearly impossible to sign in , they change their protocols and lock you out, > they only want to pound the advertising into your face by forcing you into > using their accounts. > > Wayne > > -Original Message- > From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Doran Jaffas > Sent: February-10-14 2:46 AM > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: KR> Other KR SITE > > Maybe I am too technically challenged... But I want to the other site to try > to sign up required Yahoo address. I tried to set up an email and I get to > the create an account part and nothing happens. The only thing a question > passwords keep coming up red but tried several times no luck. > Thought it might be interesting getting a couple of different websites and > share information crossline. Anyway guys and gals all is good this website! > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see > http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options > >
KR> Parabeam 3D fabric
Just below the picture of the Parabeam fabric, I meant to say "Resin" not "Glass". Kevin Golden In a message dated 2/10/2014 10:47:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, Tinyauto at aol.com writes: Interesting stuff. According to a Chinese manufacturer, they can make this stuff in carbon fiber. The only other manufacture I have found is in the Netherlands. http://www.parabeam.nl/ One question I have with this product is how do you keep the space between the two fabrics from saturating completely full of resin? If it did this, it would be very heavy. The Chinese site says it is possible to use pour foam to fill those voids in the Parabeam glass, but that isn't the normal use. Here is a photo of the glass from the side: http://www.nauticexpo.com/prod/parabeam-bv/fiberglass-fabrics-3d-26847-18898 8.html I think what is intended is just enough glass to fill those vertical looping weaves but it sure does seam to me it would easily puddle inside and cause the product to be very heavy. Any ideas on this? Also, from what I have read it will not do sharp corners well. Long gradual curves are no problem, but I would guess the issue is the inner fabric would buckle if trying to lay it into a sharp curved area of a female mold. Guessing here that the thin stuff would do a sharper radius than the thick stuff. Looks like there should be a chart somewhere to use as a guideline for this problem and there may be Though I am not building a KR, this group always talk about the most interesting things and that is why I continue to read the daily postings. Thank You! Kevin Golden Harrisonville, MO Streak Shadow In a message dated 2/10/2014 8:24:43 A.M. Central Standard Time, brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com writes: I was wondering why they seem to have never done it in carbon fiber also. Might just not be able to weave it correctly and get the spring back. So far I found some large rolls on Ebay that work out to about $18/yard, but it is the 1/2" thick stuff that is probably too thick for anything I would want to do with it. Sounds high, but when compared with multiple layers of glass and a core material it might not be that bad. They make it from 3mm to 22mm thick. I would think the 3mm would be best for something like a cowl or wheel pants and something in the 1/4" range would be good for something like wing skins. I sent a request on the web site for some samples and more info. I will let you know what I find out. Sam said that he does not know of anyone else using it. I would think that it would have limited use for homebuilders except when used in a mold. Original Message Subject: Re: KR> Parabeam 3D fabric From: "Mark Langford" List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Sun, February 09, 2014 8:45 pm To: "KRnet" Brian Kraut wrote: > Supposedly the resin goes to the outside layers and leaves an air space > in the middle so it winds up like a foam or Nomex core material that is > light and very strong. Mark Lougheed and I looked at Parabeam back in the 90's, and it was impressively strong but lightweight, but also very expensive. Let me know when you find a price. I haven't heard anything about it lately (it was new back then), so I figured it's been displaced by carbon fiber on Nomex, but it probably has a niche with homebuilders... Mark Langford ML at N56ML.com website at http://www.N56ML.com ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> Parabeam 3D fabric
Interesting stuff. According to a Chinese manufacturer, they can make this stuff in carbon fiber. The only other manufacture I have found is in the Netherlands. http://www.parabeam.nl/ One question I have with this product is how do you keep the space between the two fabrics from saturating completely full of resin? If it did this, it would be very heavy. The Chinese site says it is possible to use pour foam to fill those voids in the Parabeam glass, but that isn't the normal use. Here is a photo of the glass from the side: http://www.nauticexpo.com/prod/parabeam-bv/fiberglass-fabrics-3d-26847-18898 8.html I think what is intended is just enough glass to fill those vertical looping weaves but it sure does seam to me it would easily puddle inside and cause the product to be very heavy. Any ideas on this? Also, from what I have read it will not do sharp corners well. Long gradual curves are no problem, but I would guess the issue is the inner fabric would buckle if trying to lay it into a sharp curved area of a female mold. Guessing here that the thin stuff would do a sharper radius than the thick stuff. Looks like there should be a chart somewhere to use as a guideline for this problem and there may be Though I am not building a KR, this group always talk about the most interesting things and that is why I continue to read the daily postings. Thank You! Kevin Golden Harrisonville, MO Streak Shadow In a message dated 2/10/2014 8:24:43 A.M. Central Standard Time, brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com writes: I was wondering why they seem to have never done it in carbon fiber also. Might just not be able to weave it correctly and get the spring back. So far I found some large rolls on Ebay that work out to about $18/yard, but it is the 1/2" thick stuff that is probably too thick for anything I would want to do with it. Sounds high, but when compared with multiple layers of glass and a core material it might not be that bad. They make it from 3mm to 22mm thick. I would think the 3mm would be best for something like a cowl or wheel pants and something in the 1/4" range would be good for something like wing skins. I sent a request on the web site for some samples and more info. I will let you know what I find out. Sam said that he does not know of anyone else using it. I would think that it would have limited use for homebuilders except when used in a mold. Original Message Subject: Re: KR> Parabeam 3D fabric From: "Mark Langford" List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Sun, February 09, 2014 8:45 pm To: "KRnet" Brian Kraut wrote: > Supposedly the resin goes to the outside layers and leaves an air space > in the middle so it winds up like a foam or Nomex core material that is > light and very strong. Mark Lougheed and I looked at Parabeam back in the 90's, and it was impressively strong but lightweight, but also very expensive. Let me know when you find a price. I haven't heard anything about it lately (it was new back then), so I figured it's been displaced by carbon fiber on Nomex, but it probably has a niche with homebuilders... Mark Langford ML at N56ML.com website at http://www.N56ML.com ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> The other site
I appreciate the gentlemen's response to my problems with Yahoo. Sounds like it's not worth hassling with. Long time ago they locked me out just thought I would try it again for the sake of the other gentleman's site. To bad they are so hard to work . Again thank you for making me feel less like neophyte On Feb 10, 2014 12:05 PM, wrote: > Send KRnet mailing list submissions to > krnet at list.krnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > krnet-request at list.krnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > krnet-owner at list.krnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Diehl skins (laser147 at juno.com) >2. Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 35 (Douglas Cooke) >3. Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 35 (Phillip Hill) >4. Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 35 (Miles Humphrey) >5. Parabeam 3D fabric (brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com) >6. Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 35 (Miles Humphrey) >7. belly board flying characteristics? (Mark Langford) >8. belly board flying characteristics? (Larry Flesner) >9. Re: Parabeam 3D fabric (Mark Langford) > 10. Re: belly board flying characteristics? (Nerobro) > 11. Other KR SITE (Doran Jaffas) > 12. Re: belly board flying characteristics? (Dan Heath) > 13. Re: belly board flying characteristics? (Mark Jones) > 14. Re: belly board flying characteristics? (Larry Flesner) > 15. Re: Parabeam 3D fabric (brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com) > 16. Re: belly board flying characteristics? (Roger Bulla) > 17. Re: Other KR SITE (Wayne Tokarz) > 18. Re: Parabeam 3D fabric (Tinyauto at aol.com) > 19. Re: Parabeam 3D fabric (Tinyauto at aol.com) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 10:14:11 -0800 > From: > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: KR> Diehl skins > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Some new wingskins just popped up on eBay. > > Mike > KSEE > > > How to Stay Asleep > Researchers have discovered a revolutionary secret to stay asleep > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52f7c5cc5302145cc7799st03vuc > > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 14:50:46 -0500 > From: Douglas Cooke > To: "krnet at list.krnet.org" > Subject: Re: KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 35 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Maybe I'm missing something, but why not a mechanical pump with a parallel > bypass containing a one way valve the electric pump located upstream from > both the > mechanical pump and valve? > That way the electric just bypasses the mechanical pump and the mechanical > pump > won't pump back to the tank(s). > > "I did a little checking and you can't push fuel through the VW > mechanical pump > so a backup system would entail, at minimum, a couple check valves and > an electric pump...a bit more complicated that I care to make it." > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 14:42:01 -0600 > From: Phillip Hill > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 35 > Message-ID: >
KR> Other KR SITE
I have been using Yahoo groups for years, has always been a royal pain. Nearly impossible to sign in , they change their protocols and lock you out, they only want to pound the advertising into your face by forcing you into using their accounts. Wayne -Original Message- From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Doran Jaffas Sent: February-10-14 2:46 AM To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: KR> Other KR SITE Maybe I am too technically challenged... But I want to the other site to try to sign up required Yahoo address. I tried to set up an email and I get to the create an account part and nothing happens. The only thing a question passwords keep coming up red but tried several times no luck. Thought it might be interesting getting a couple of different websites and share information crossline. Anyway guys and gals all is good this website! ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> belly board flying characteristics?
At 06:54 AM 2/10/2014, you wrote: >Everyone I have ever talked to concerning belly boards always >experienced a nose pitch up attitude. Just a hunch but I'm guessing the rear spar location, being behind the CG and CL, might have a bit of a stabilizing factor over the forward spar location which is directly on the CG location. Then again, it may have a bit of de-stabilizing factor with the turbulence it creates. I guess that's what testing is all about. Larry Flesner
KR> belly board flying characteristics?
I had installed a belly board on my old Kr. It was just in front of the rear spar and actuated with a linear actuator. I believe the board was 30 inches by 6 inches. I noticed little to no change in pitch when deployed, but did add bunch of drag. Something I should have done to that plane years ago. My present KR has stock flaps and there is a big change in nose down pitch when deployed. Roger Bulla rbulla2 at wic.net -Original Message- From: Mark Langford Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 8:26 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> belly board flying characteristics? I'm about to hang a belly board on N891JF, so I'm doing a little research. I plan on putting the hinge point underneath the main spar, and would expect deploying the flap would nose the plane down, requiring nose up trim to compensate. That's how the flaps on N56ML work, at least. Does anybody experience different results from a belly board, and if so, where's the hinge point for your belly board? Thanks, Mark Langford ML at N56ML.com website at http://www.N56ML.com ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> Parabeam 3D fabric
I was wondering why they seem to have never done it in carbon fiber also. Might just not be able to weave it correctly and get the spring back. So far I found some large rolls on Ebay that work out to about $18/yard, but it is the 1/2" thick stuff that is probably too thick for anything I would want to do with it. Sounds high, but when compared with multiple layers of glass and a core material it might not be that bad. They make it from 3mm to 22mm thick. I would think the 3mm would be best for something like a cowl or wheel pants and something in the 1/4" range would be good for something like wing skins. I sent a request on the web site for some samples and more info. I will let you know what I find out. Sam said that he does not know of anyone else using it. I would think that it would have limited use for homebuilders except when used in a mold. Original Message Subject: Re: KR> Parabeam 3D fabric From: "Mark Langford" List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Sun, February 09, 2014 8:45 pm To: "KRnet" Brian Kraut wrote: > Supposedly the resin goes to the outside layers and leaves an air space > in the middle so it winds up like a foam or Nomex core material that is > light and very strong. Mark Lougheed and I looked at Parabeam back in the 90's, and it was impressively strong but lightweight, but also very expensive. Let me know when you find a price. I haven't heard anything about it lately (it was new back then), so I figured it's been displaced by carbon fiber on Nomex, but it probably has a niche with homebuilders... Mark Langford ML at N56ML.com website at http://www.N56ML.com ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> belly board flying characteristics?
Mark, Everyone I have ever talked to concerning belly boards always experienced a nose pitch up attitude. While on final I have to apply forward stick pressure to keep the nose down. This results in slower speed with a low nose attitude for great visibility on final. Also, I have never heard of anyone mounting the belly board to the main spar. I think if you do this you will once again be a pioneer and will have to report your flight characteristics as a comparison to the rest of us. Here is the link to my belly board web page: http://www.flykr2s.com/bellyboard.html Jones Mark Jones (N886MJ) Stevens Point, WI E-mail: flykr2s at charter.net Web: www.flykr2s.com
KR> belly board flying characteristics?
Mark, Deploying my board causes significant nose up. Stick forward is required. It is hinged as close behind the aft spar as is possible. http://krbuilder.org/BellyBoard/index.html See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics? Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Daniel R. Heath -?Lexington, SC -Original Message- Does anybody experience different results from a belly board, and if so, where's the hinge point for your belly board?
KR> Other KR SITE
Maybe I am too technically challenged... But I want to the other site to try to sign up required Yahoo address. I tried to set up an email and I get to the create an account part and nothing happens. The only thing a question passwords keep coming up red but tried several times no luck. Thought it might be interesting getting a couple of different websites and share information crossline. Anyway guys and gals all is good this website!
