KR> Fwd: Re: RST Engineering

[Justin Pate]

Wow, I was in the fence between the KR and the sonex. Thanks for making it
an easy choice for me.

On Wednesday, August 10, 2016, Doran Jaffas via KRnet 
wrote:

> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Steve G." >
> Date: Aug 10, 2016 4:42 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> RST Engineering
> To: "Doran Jaffas" >
> Cc:
>
> How about kiss my ass. That's swearing enough for you? I'm pretty sick of
> all you want to bees thinking that you actually know something and want
> everything for free.
>
> Steve Glover
>
> Sent from my electronic leash.
>
> > On Aug 10, 2016, at 13:32, Doran Jaffas via KRnet  >
> wrote:
> >
> > Cut the swearing and insults.
> >> On Aug 10, 2016 3:03 PM, "Steve G. via KRnet"  >
> wrote:
> >>
> >> He's in NorCal dumb ass. Thanks for the dig.
> >>
> >> Steve Glover
> >>
> >> Sent from my electronic leash.
> >>
>  On Aug 10, 2016, at 11:35, Paul Visk via KRnet  >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It must be a southern California thing. : )
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Paul Visk Belleville IL  618 406 4705
> >>> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4
> >>>
> >>>  Original message 
> >>> From: Doran Jaffas via KRnet >
> >>> Date: 08/10/2016  1:14 PM  (GMT-06:00)
> >>> To: KRnet >
> >>> Cc: Doran Jaffas >
> >>> Subject: Re: KR> RST Engineering
> >>>
> >>> No issue and what you say makes sense.
> >>> On Aug 10, 2016 2:13 PM, "Jeff Scott via KRnet"  >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> 
> 
>  Sorry, this post should have had the subject label changed to RST
>  Engineering
> 
>  While I know you want to receive this stuff right away, keep in mind
> you
>  are dealing with a small business that is a one man show, and that you
>  ordered just as they were ramping up for Oshkosh, then had to travel
> >> from
>  California to Oshkosh (likely in a camper), then was at Oshkosh for at
>  least a week, then is traveling back home again and trying to pick up
> >> the
>  pieces. Maybe... Just maybe, he is throwing in a few days of vacation
> on
>  the way home from Oshkosh to try to get his head back on straight
> after
> >> the
>  rush of orders taken at Oshkosh. It's not a huge surprise to me that
> he
>  hasn't replied to an email, nor is it a surprise that nothing was
> >> shipped
>  in the last 3 weeks. Jim Weir also writes a monthly column for
> >> "Kitplanes"
>  and probably needs to get another column out the door to meet the
> >> oshkosh
>  show report deadline, so I don't think he has flown the coop. But I do
>  think he is a really busy man and you have caught him at the peak of
> his
>  busiest time of year.
> 
>  I would guess he should be back home again this week and doing
> business
>  again. This is a one man show business that has been around for a long
> >> time
>  and is well known in the pilot community. A little patience will
> >> probably
>  go a long ways.
> 
>  -Jeff Scott
>  Los Alamos, NM
> 
> 
> > HI I am having trouble with buying a kit from rst engineering
> > paid 3 weeks ago
> > sent 2 emails about when it is to arrive
> > never answered my emails
> > paid with paypal so did a paypal item purchased not received
> > still did not get any email from them
> > they are in californa as I am
> > paypal said they sent an email asking about this but i have not
> >> received
> > the item nor have i every received any email
> > makes me kinda wonder why not at least an email
> > tom laudato
> 
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KR>Current News

[Justin]

Just thought I would put a post up that I passed my Private Pilot Check Ride 
today (b-day). Now onto my IFR and back to work on the KR.

Justin
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KR>OFF SUBJECT

[Justin]

Completely off-subject from KR's but I could resist. I am going for my private 
pilot check-ride on Friday Jan 16. Finally after 3 years of flight training and 
flying im going for the ride! I have over 100 hours so flying wont be the 
problem but the oral is a huge killer.

Happy Building,
Justin
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KR>Spam

[Justin]

On the subject of spam... SPAM doesn't come from your internet service
provider but what software you download that has "spyware" and what websites
you go to that have "spyware". There are anti-spyware programs out there,
and I have one. Any one intrested in it can e-mail me off net to expect a
10meg file sent via e-mail.

Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" <crain...@cfl.rr.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:27 PM
Subject: KR>Spam


Mark,
Isn't this guy who is trying to push PLAXO spamming the krnet?
This happened once before this year and you had to block/bump him too.

Colin & Bev Rainey
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KR>Got my core

[Justin]

CONGRATULATIONS COLIN on seeing the light and using a corvair!

Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "Steve and Lori McGee" <lmc...@maqs.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Cc: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" <corvaircr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:47 PM
Subject: KR>Got my core


Sent an e-mail 2 weeks ago to the local corsa chapter and got results.  $100
got me a core that is stripped of some things that I didn't need anyway.
Also this one ran when it was pulled from the car according to my seller who
appeared to be very decent.  I can turn the motor over by hand (the plugs
are out).  The letter code is RK which equals 65 to 67 110 hp on a power
glide tranny with air conditioning.  These also came with the larger oil
cooler.  Don't know yet if I can use this same one, haven't researched that
far yet.

Gettin stoked.  Now need more money.

Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi. USA
Building a KR2S widened.
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KR>test flight #4

[Justin]

Congrats Larry on that flight, thats just awsome. I was just wondering if
you are running the stock wing or the "new" wing and whatever other
modifications you have done?

As far as my plane im just getting everything fixed and smoothed out for the
plywood spins.

Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "larry flesner" <fles...@midwest.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 3:54 PM
Subject: KR>test flight #4


>
>
>
> The weather yesterday (Saturday) was perfect for another flight by
> a low time KR pilot.  I put some much oversized C150 wheel pants
> on the KR to see if they made a differance on my cruise.  They
> were so much out of rig that they were of little value.  I got maybe
> an extra 4 or 5 knots.  I don't know how the C150 flew.  One pant
> was 1 1/2 inches higher than the other and they were mounted to
> the same brackets that came off the Cessna.  So much for that.
>
> The more time I get in the KR the more I love it.  It has to be one
> of the nicest flying aircraft I've flown and I've been in several in my
> 950 hours of flight time.
>
> The three landings after my first flight have gone great.  I've learned
> quickly not to really move the stick for flare but to just pressure it
> back to bring the nose up a bit.  A hightime taildragger pilot friend
> of mine that witnessed the landing called it a PERFECT wheel
> landing with a tail up roll out.  It seemed like the KR was doing the
> flying and I was along for the ride.  I know that's not true but that's
> the feeling you get.
>
> I eased it into a stall attitude until I felt some buffet and then flew
> back out.  There was no tendenancy to drop a wing and it flew
> stable with only minor control inputs.  The ASI remained on the
> peg at below 40K's.  This thing is a pure joy to fly!!!
>
> All engine and aircraft systems continue to work without a flaw.
> The CHT stays at approx 300F and the oil temp never got
> above 170F.  This was on a 40F day.
>
> My four point harness popped open at about 1000 feet so I continued
> to climb to 2500 before trying to secure it.  This is not a hands off
> airplane if you are trying to wrestle around in the cockpit but I managed
> to get it secured.  I need to check my buckle as it has popped on me
> before and I attributed it catching the buckle with my hand without
> realizing it. Now I think there is something else going on.
>
> My engine RPM is still low and I think a re-pitch of the prop is in order.
>
> I'll keep you posted.  Right now I'm having too much fun flying
>
> Larry Flesner
>
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KR>HS Attach

[Justin]

I have been flooking at other peoples designs and the plans and dont know what 
to do as for attaching my HS on my boat. The problem is Mark who knows his 
struff really good made the brackets out of aluminum instead of just the wood 
like the plans call for.

Any thoughts idea's . I am running a Stock tail except 2"wider, 
balanced and the elevator is the new airfoil for a smaller cord (less 
sensitive). Kr fuselage is stock with the exception of 1" 1/2 wider than stock.

Justin
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KR>Re: upper crossmember

[Justin]

I think he mean't that he can't cut it right? What I did is put the wood
where it is sopposed to go but on top of the members and draw both lines for
both angles on each side. Then go sand to fit. I used a small 5" disk sander
that allowed me to adjust the angle.

Justin
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From: <paulw...@webtv.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Re: upper crossmember


> Hi;
> I used old bike inner tubes to keep things tightthey'll encircle the
> whole boat. Just about the right pressure in my opinion. You can easily
> adjust pressure by pulling here and there where needed.
> I did my whole boat this wayused about 7-8 old inner tubes. Just put
> 'em on, and go do something else till the T-88 dries.
>
> Try it, results won't vary.
>
> Paul Gangemi
> KR2spriming
> Erie, Pa.
>
>
>
>
> http://community.webtv.net/paulwasp/paulwaspspad
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Kr>Varnish Removel/Rudder Peddles

[Justin]

Sand the wood down until you can't see the varnish anymore then use
something like acetone.

>From a previous post on how to remove varnish is this:
I think the most difficult job you are going to have, is getting all that
varnish off.  Our boat was finished, and varnished.  When I went to install
the other things that go on top of the boat, I sanded off all the varnish.
I then installed my first item.  The next day, all I had was a gooey mess.
T-88 would not stick, VinylEster would not stick, and Poly Fiber resin would
not stick.  Someone suggested that I sand and then wash with acetone or
lacquer thinner.  That worked, but it was a very time consuming and
laborious job.  As you sand the varnish off, it gets into the pours of the
wood.  If you could get it stripped with a varnish stripper that would not
affect the glue, that might be the best way to start.

>From Dan Heath ^


Justin
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From: <boeing757me...@aol.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:16 AM
Subject: Kr>Varnish Removel/Rudder Peddles


>  While I was varnishing the insides of my wing spars I usually ended
up
> with extra varnish. I resisted the temptation to use the extra varnish
under
> the cockpit floor not knowing if I would need to glue in a piece of wood
for
> something. I had a moment of weakness and varnished the first 2 bays. I
now
> realized that my rudder peddles will mount close to the first cross member
and I
> will probably have to add a chunk of wood for the mounting screws.
>
> How am I going to get that varnish off so I get a good glue joint?
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KR>VW Oil pump

[Justin]

I'll scan it at my FBO tonight. I had to wait until my day off of work to
scan it in but I will tonight.

Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "Ron Eason" <r...@jrl-engineering.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:48 PM
Subject: KR>VW Oil pump


>
> Subject: Re: KR>VW Oil pump
>
>
>  I got my custom planes mag and found an article called "VW lubrication
>  and cooling systems"
>
>  Really good article and im willing to scan in it in if anyone is
> intrested.
>
>  Hi Justin
> That article sounds interesting, I would really appreciate it if you would
> send me a scan of it I want to read all I can about the subject also.
> Thank you
> Ron
>
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KR>ME

[Justin]

To the group:
I'd like to apoligize to the group for my inappropriate behavior. Thanks to 
Dan for apoligizing and lots of thanks to Mark Jones who always talks positive 
towards me and understands my standings.Also thanks to Jeff,Larry,Barry for 
supporting me.

Take a peak at my FIXED website with nothing offensive and hoping that I 
can get back onto the KR net website listings.

Justin
N116JW
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KR>Justin

[Justin]

Tanks Dennis,
Take a look at my website here, you can see my new seats. Came from a
150, racing style and light as can be! with both seats I should be under
5lbs total.
http://www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/kr2s

Justin
N116JW
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- Original Message -
From: "Dennis Mingear" <dennisming...@yahoo.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: KR>Justin


> No one in this group can say that they haven't grown through their errors.
Life is like that and I definitely believe that everyone deserves a chance
to learn through doing, even when doing bad things occasionally.
>
> I agree with Colin ... Denny
>
> Colin <crain...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> As promised, I apologize also Justin; you already know the reference. I am
proud of you, and willing to welcome you back home if the others agree.
Remember we are here for everyone's benefit!
>
> Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td)
> crain...@cfl.rr.com
> http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html
> Sanford, Florida
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KR>Justin's seats and plywood

[Justin]

Bob,
The seats are just about the same height as they would be if I made them
by plans, I think. Im not at the plane right now but I hope they are.

Those have to be the most pretty 150 seats I have ever seen in my life,
not to meantion most comfortable.

Without making another post, im looking at my plywood getting ready to
buy for my boat from aircraft spruce. Im debating between Mahogany and
Birch. Birch is heavier and alot cheaper but what about it's strength?How
much plywood should I buy to cover the boat?
Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "Dennis Mingear" <dennisming...@yahoo.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: KR>Justin


> Nice Justin! These came out of a C150? Is that a typo, 5 pounds? They will
certainly make for a very professional looking interior when done.
>
> Denny ...
>
> Justin <jmw...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Tanks Dennis,
> Take a look at my website here, you can see my new seats. Came from a
> 150, racing style and light as can be! with both seats I should be under
> 5lbs total.
> http://www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/kr2s
>
> Justin
> N116JW
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KR>Justin

[Justin]

Im going to put in the spars and see if they woudl be able to fit. I didn't
even think about the factors that Mark mentioned. The seats are mine if I
WANT them if not they go into a friends 150 and I get his old seats which
are really thin and not very comfortable.
Justin
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From: "larry severson" <lar...@socal.rr.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Justin


> How are you going to control your rudder and elevators with those
beautiful
> seats?
>
> > Take a look at my website here, you can see my new seats. Came from
a
> >150, racing style and light as can be! with both seats I should be under
> >5lbs total.
> >http://www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/kr2s
>
> Larry Severson
> Fountain Valley, CA 92708
> (714) 968-9852
> lar...@socal.rr.com
>
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KR>Tank Size/flying time

[Justin]

I understand the KR is uncomfortable but is it that much extra weight to
make the wing tanks 10 gallons instead of 5 to give you that extra gas when
your on your way to Oshkosh? It takes more time and gas to climb up to 10K
for cruising than to just stay there longer. Pee in a cup. (My KR is the
size of a C150 so i'll be roomy enough)

Justin
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From: "David Mikesell" <skyguy...@skyguynca.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: KR>TANKS IN OUTER WINGS


> I did some calculations for tube tanks before and came to the conclusion
> that unless you can do a 11 to 12 in tube and it can be atleast 11 feet
long
> you won't carry enough fuel to make any real difference.  It takes atleast
a
> 7 in diameter by 7 in length to make one gal..
>
> David Mikesell
> 23957 N. Hwy 99
> Acampo, CA 95220
> 209-609-8774
> skyguy...@skyguynca.com
> www.skyguynca.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lee" <l...@vandyke5.com>
> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 8:58 PM
> Subject: KR>TANKS IN OUTER WINGS
>
>
> I read some of the concerns about added fuel.  Someone stated(last week I
> think) added fuel adds to the time in the cockpit.  (small cockpit).  I
have
> been looking at options about added fuel.  I have a dated KR with
retracts.
> No room in the stub wing for added tanks.  I have been looking at options
of
> adding tanks in the outer wings.  CG is a big part of my concern.  My idea
> is to take an Aluminum tube 5 -6 inces in diameter and fit it into the
void
> on the leading edge of the wing.  I would like sone feed back from the
> group.
>
> Lee Van Dyke
> Mesa AZ
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KR>TANKS IN OUTER WINGS

[Justin]

I planned on putting the wing tanks in the stub wings. Outter wing tanks
didn't ever get my attention and as stated it add's stress onto the WAF's.
If I put 7 gallons in each wing and then my 5 gallon header tank I will have
myself a 2 hour airplane with a 45min reserve. My corvair is expected to
burn 7GPH @ 75%. The lancair that I have flown in had sight tubes for each
wing tank on the line going to the header tank and the normal header tank
sight tube.

Undecided on how I will rig the wing tanks going to the header tank.
Rather I want the engine driven fuel pump to pump it all the time or have a
float type deal in the header tank. Im thinking more along the lines of it
filling all the time, i can see airbubbles when I know it's empty. Would
fuel guages be required in the wing tanks?

Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "David Mikesell" <skyguy...@skyguynca.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: KR>TANKS IN OUTER WINGS


> One thing to remember about wing tankswhile the nice thing is they
don't
> add to your flying gross weight because the wing is carrying them
internally
> no extra stress is applied to the WAF because they are not in the
fuselage,
> but when landing and the wings quite flying the weight is then added to
the
> stress on the WAF...on wing tank mods for cert aircraft they tell you
> this in the STC and give you a maximum fuel landing weight.
>
> David Mikesell
> 23957 N. Hwy 99
> Acampo, CA 95220
> 209-609-8774
> skyguy...@skyguynca.com
> www.skyguynca.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Clancey D Krumwiede" <red-bri...@juno.com>
> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:25 AM
> Subject: Re: KR>TANKS IN OUTER WINGS
>
>
> > Before designing your aircraft to carry fuel in the outer wings, here
are
> > a couple of issues to consider:
> >
> > 1) When dealing with the issue of loads on the WAF, you must also
> > consider the fact that by adding 60 pounds on the longest possible "arm"
> > from the WAFs, any flexing by the wing will or at least may place
> > enormous torque loads on the WAFs, possibly more than their design could
> > withstand. (read - wing failure)
> >
> > 2) Again, adding sixty pounds of "ballast" on the longest possible arm
> > from the longitudinal axis could greatly complicate spin recovery.
> > Remember, mass times acceleration equals momentum. It is quite possible
> > that after a two or three turn spin, you may not have enough rudder
> > authority to overcome the additional rotational momentum. (read - no
spin
> > recovery)
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:24:49 -0800 "David Mikesell"
> > <skyguy...@skyguynca.com> writes:
> > > I did some calculations for tube tanks before and came to the
> > > conclusion
> > > that unless you can do a 11 to 12 in tube and it can be atleast 11
> > > feet long
> > > you won't carry enough fuel to make any real difference.  It takes
> > > atleast a
> > > 7 in diameter by 7 in length to make one gal..
> > >
> > > David Mikesell
> > > 23957 N. Hwy 99
> > > Acampo, CA 95220
> > > 209-609-8774
> > > skyguy...@skyguynca.com
> > > www.skyguynca.com
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Lee" <l...@vandyke5.com>
> > > To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 8:58 PM
> > > Subject: KR>TANKS IN OUTER WINGS
> > >
> > >
> > > I read some of the concerns about added fuel.  Someone stated(last
> > > week I
> > > think) added fuel adds to the time in the cockpit.  (small cockpit).
> > >  I have
> > > been looking at options about added fuel.  I have a dated KR with
> > > retracts.
> > > No room in the stub wing for added tanks.  I have been looking at
> > > options of
> > > adding tanks in the outer wings.  CG is a big part of my concern.
> > > My idea
> > > is to take an Aluminum tube 5 -6 inces in diameter and fit it into
> > > the void
> > > on the leading edge of the wing.  I would like sone feed back from
> > > the
> > > group.
> > >
> > > Lee Van Dyke
> > > Mesa AZ
> > > l...@vandyke5.com
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Keith C. Krumwiede
> > Rosedale, IN
> >
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KR>(Justin: try Spar lumber in Long beach).

[Justin]

Hey wise ass Daniel. My boat is NOT varnished on the outsides. I put tape
along the outside, varnshied the insides of it but not where glueing will be
done. Same for the HS stab, i taped the spar tops and varnished the middle,
3 coats worth.

I simply seen an ad for aircraft plywood, with that name in mind I gave
it a shot on the net to see if it would be good for the KR or not. Looks
like ill be putting on Bass wood, stronger,heavier but cheaper.

Justin
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From: "Dan Heath" <da...@alltel.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 4:53 PM
Subject: KR>(Justin: try Spar lumber in Long beach).


I'll bet 1/8 will be too heave and 1/16 may be too weak.  I believe that the
plans call for 3/32.  Besides, Justin has already varnished his boat.

N64KR

Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC

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KR>Justin coolit

[Justin]

Varnished all wood except the outsides. cool it? How would you like it if
someone was being a smart ass with incorrect data? Put yourself in my shoes.

Justin
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From: "Colin" <crain...@cfl.rr.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 7:25 PM
Subject: KR>Justin coolit


Justin you need to tone it down.
All are here to benefit. If you can't appreciate that find a bulletin board,
or chat group fro your insolence.

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KR>Marine plywood

[Justin]

Steve,
Did you do any tests on this plywood? If so what did you do and what
were your results? When I was going to test my plywood i built a square out
of duglas for both plywoods and then bend it and see whcih broke first,
thats after the boil test. I never did that but would that be a good test?

Your right, I do need to tone down but only if these PEOPLE would quit
insulting me, "irritating" me especially when they are wrong in their trash
talking.

Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "Steven Lemke" <sle...@cox.net>
To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:28 PM
Subject: RE: KR>Marine plywood


> Hey netters
> Though I would chime in on this one.  I am using ocoume plywood to skin
> my plane.  In fact I have already done it so there is no need to try to
> talk me out of it.  I used 1/8" occume from eden saw and here are the
> reasons I used it.
> 1/8" panel is only slightly heavier than 3/32" mahogany and a whole lot
> lighter than birch 3/32".
>
> It cost about a tenth of the price than mahogany,  I paid $12 a sheet.
>
> It is marine grade and used on custom racing boats.
>
> Since I am using 1/8" my fuse strength will fall inbetween 3/32 mahogany
> and birch.
>
> I am using this on the fuse and ribs but will use birch on the spar.
>
> I have absolutely have no doubt that my research into alternate plywood
> saved me big buck that did not compromise strength or quality.
>
> I am not one of those people who have used the phrase "if it aint broke
> don't fix it"   I am more of a "It can always be made better and
> cheaper"
>
> And a message to Justin, you may want to tone it down a bit.  I like
> your enthusiasm and willingness to look at new ideas and I have also
> looked at those ads in the back of kit plane.
>
> Have fun, go wild, and be safe.
>
> Steven Lemke
> Building on a beer budget
> Omaha, Ne
> sle...@cox.net
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-bounces+slemke=cox@mylist.net
> [mailto:krnet-bounces+slemke=cox@mylist.net] On Behalf Of
> dpurdu...@caldwellmfgco.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:37 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR>Marine plywood
>
>
> I really haven't tracked the grade of  plywood used in the KR,  but
> construction grade plywood prices change weekly. It would seem the few
> dollars saved with unproven materials wouldn't be worth the worry.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   "David Mikesell"
>
>   <skyguy...@skyguynca.com>
> To:   "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
>   Sent by:
> cc:
>   krnet-bounces+dpurduski=caldwellmfgco.com
> Subject:  Re: KR>Marine plywood
>   @mylist.net
>
>
>
>
>
>   11/25/2003 12:41 PM
>
>   Please respond to KRnet
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I also buy from Edensaw, great company and really good prices and
> discounts
> on shipping.
>
> David Mikesell
> 23957 N. Hwy 99
> Acampo, CA 95220
> 209-609-8774
> skyguy...@skyguynca.com
> www.skyguynca.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tracy & Carol O'Brien" <tr...@localaccess.com>
> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:14 AM
> Subject: KR>Marine plywood
>
>
> > Netters,
> >
> > Dan Rhin's One Design plans call for Ocoume marine plywood! I've
> worked
> > with this plywood for nearly 20 years and it is wonderful material to
> work
> > with, although it does tend to dull your saw blades, etc., a little
> quicker
> > than other types of  plywood.
> >
> > I currently have about 6 sheets of 1/8" Ocoume and a couple of sheets
> of
> > 1/16" Ocoume sitting in my shop waiting to be turned into Cygnet
> wings!
> > These panels are British certified and came frome Edensaw Woods in
> Port
> > Townsend, WA at 1/2 the price ACS lists it for. (Justin: try Spar
> lumber
> in
> > Long beach).
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tracy O'Brien
> >
> >
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KR>G load - tank question.

[Justin]

Speaking about outer wing tanks, whats the advantages and disadvantages of
this. The plans say to put the fuel out there but I haven't seen any KR's
with that setup.

Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "larry flesner" <fles...@midwest.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:27 PM
Subject: KR>G load - tank question.


> >I ask because I was wondering if the fuel tanks in the outboard wings
> would be easier on the wafs than that extra load in the fusealge area.  As
> it is the wings holding up the fuselage.
> >Steve McGee
> +
>
> That's the route I went because I knew my KR would be heavy and
> I wanted to take some of the load off the WAF's.  You must also
> consider what moving the fuel rearward will do to your CG and
> also to the handling qualities when you move up to maybe 150
> pounds from the fuselage and hang it out in the outer wing
> panels.
>
> I did more taxi text today with the tail up!  If I can't get the inspector
> to schedule a visit real soon this thing is going to fly without me !!
:-)
>
> Larry Flesner
>
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KR>G load - tank question.

[Justin]

Yes, Im building the KR2S and it says just like Bob said.

For my fuel setup im thinking something along the lines like a Aircoupe. I
want both wing tanks R & L and a small 5 Gallon header tank. I want the
Engine driven pump to pump into the header tank constantly and overflow back
into the selected tank. Of course I would have an electric fuel pump as
back-up. My plan of thought is with that 5 gallon header tank I will be able
to keep that full all the time and for whatever reason I run out of gas in
the wing tanks I have my VFR reserve already met with that header-tank.

Any thoughts, comets,suggestions are welcome, of course I have a long
time before my fuel system comes along.

Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "Bob Sauer" <resa...@cox.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: KR>G load - tank question.


> Ric,
>
> My plans for the KR2S indicate outer wing section tanks for more fuel, and
a
> small (5 gal.) header tank. Mine is all in a header tank (20 gals. )
built
> similar to NASCAR race car fuel tanks including explosafe foam.
>
> Bob Sauer
> From: resa...@cox.net
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rick Wilson" <rwdw2...@yahoo.com>
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: KR>G load - tank question.
>
>
> > Justin, What plans are you reading? Mine for the KR2
> > say to build the tank under the forward deck, if
> > additional tanks are wanted put them in the stub
> > wings. Rick Wilson.
> > --- Justin <jmw...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
> > > Speaking about outer wing tanks, whats the
> > > advantages and disadvantages of
> > > this. The plans say to put the fuel out there but I
> > > haven't seen any KR's
> > > with that setup.
> > >
> > > Justin
> > > N116JW
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> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "larry flesner" <fles...@midwest.net>
> > > To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:27 PM
> > > Subject: KR>G load - tank question.
> > >
> > >
> > > > >I ask because I was wondering if the fuel tanks
> > > in the outboard wings
> > > > would be easier on the wafs than that extra load
> > > in the fusealge area.  As
> > > > it is the wings holding up the fuselage.
> > > > >Steve McGee
> > > >
> > >
> > +
> > > >
> > > > That's the route I went because I knew my KR would
> > > be heavy and
> > > > I wanted to take some of the load off the WAF's.
> > > You must also
> > > > consider what moving the fuel rearward will do to
> > > your CG and
> > > > also to the handling qualities when you move up to
> > > maybe 150
> > > > pounds from the fuselage and hang it out in the
> > > outer wing
> > > > panels.
> > > >
> > > > I did more taxi text today with the tail up!  If I
> > > can't get the inspector
> > > > to schedule a visit real soon this thing is going
> > > to fly without me !!
> > > :-)
> > > >
> > > > Larry Flesner
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ___
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> > > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
> > =
> > Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2...@yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
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KR>Plywood Listing

[Justin]

I was reading my Sport Aviation magazine (march 2003) and found a listing in 
the back saying:
"Aircraft Plywood, GL2 Rated" Does that mean it is certified for Aircraft use/ 
is ok for skinning the boat? Here's the website, take a peak and let me know 
guys.
http://www.boulterplywood.com/

Justin
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KR>G load - tank question.

[Justin]

The Coupe doesn't have an electrical fuel pump to back up the engine driven
fuel pump either (I dont think they do atleast). Besides, if your engine
driven fuel pump quits your engine would most likly quit also wouldn't it?

Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "larry flesner" <fles...@midwest.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: KR>G load - tank question.


> >
> >For my fuel setup im thinking something along the lines like a Aircoupe.
I
> >want both wing tanks R & L and a small 5 Gallon header tank. I want the
> >Engine driven pump to pump into the header tank constantly and overflow
back
> >into the selected tank. Of course I would have an electric fuel pump as
> >back-up. My plan of thought is with that 5 gallon header tank I will be
able
> >to keep that full all the time and for whatever reason I run out of gas
in
> >the wing tanks I have my VFR reserve already met with that header-tank.
> >Justin
> +++
>
> Aircoupes have been flying since the 40's so who can argue.
> Just make sure your system does not allow you to accidently
> seclect the return to the full tank and pump one tank overboard.
>
> The only problem I've heard from "Coupe" drivers is when the pilot
> takes off with full fuel and doesn't realize his fuel pump isn't
> working and the engine quits about 45 minutes into the flight.
> I'm betting that would cause an immediate "deer in the headlights"
> look to appear on the pilots face.  I'd suggest a "low fuel" warning
> system in the header tank that activates with about 4 gal remaining.
>
>
> Larry Flesner
>
>
>
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KR>Plywood Listing

[Justin]

The plans do NOT specify where to buy your wood. I was reading in an
airplane magazine like I said that article. If you look at the website
correctly you will see it says "Marine/Exterior Plywood" If im not mistaken
but what other EAA members have told me, marine plywood will work just as
good as avaition plywood. It is inspected and will not come apart with
water, two things we need in our plywood.

Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "David Mullins" <n32...@comcast.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Plywood Listing


> Justin,
>
> I have used the 1/8" 6 ply birch plywood  GL-II from Finland. I purchased
it
> from Harbor Sales in Maryland. The Last time I went by they stopped
> carrying it. Boulter Plywood has just started selling this plywood about
> 1 to 1.5 years ago. Boulter is about 1 hr drive from me in Boston. I did
> pick up some extra 1/4" from them when I needed some more.
>
> Another builder here is using it for his Corby Starlet.
>
> Dave Mullins
> Nashua, New Hampshire
> http://N323XL.iwarp.com
>
> Justin wrote:
>
> >I was reading my Sport Aviation magazine (march 2003) and found a listing
in the back saying:
> >"Aircraft Plywood, GL2 Rated" Does that mean it is certified for Aircraft
use/ is ok for skinning the boat? Here's the website, take a peak and let me
know guys.
> >http://www.boulterplywood.com/
> >
> >Justin
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KR>Belly Board

[Justin]

THE GUY ASKED A SIMPLE QUESTION AND ALL YOU CAN DO IS TELL HIM TO SEE THE
ARCHIVES! Your flat out lazy Ron Freiberger.

Les,
Go here and type in a search for belly board,speed brake etc...
http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/

Also you can go through gathering pictures and look at other people's idea's
and designs. I have a drawing for a speed brake, E-mail me if you are
intrested.

Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "Ron Freiberger" <rfreiber...@swfla.rr.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:09 PM
Subject: RE: KR>Belly Board


> Lots of commentary... see the archives
>
> Ron Freiberger
> mailto: rfreiber...@swfla.rr.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr@mylist.net
> [mailto:krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Les
> Criscillo
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:00 PM
> To: KR2 Mailing List
> Subject: KR>Belly Board
>
> Clear DayAre there any plans or drawings for adding a belly board to the
> KR2?
>
>
> Les Criscillo
> Tampa, FL
>
> lcris...@tampabay.rr.com
> leslifeandfrie...@groups.msn.com
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KR>Belly Board

[Justin]

No, What Ron left you with wasn't even a website. Myself and Mark L gave
the website where you can search up the archives.

Group: Not everyone may know of the archives being able to search them
and if not where at. Les you have no say in this.

Besides that I have drawn plans for a Speed brake that I offered to him
and anyone else who is intrested.

Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "Les Criscillo" <lcris...@tampabay.rr.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: KR>Belly Board


Ron, I appreciate your reply, I was unaware of the extensive information
available in the message archive and spent the better part of last evening
getting a first class education!.

Justin-like, chill out dudeshouting isn't necessary and Ron's answer was
dead on helpful. Now you may require a little more handholding...but I'm
sure that's another story.

Les Criscillo
Tampa, FL

lcris...@tampabay.rr.com
leslifeandfrie...@groups.msn.com
  - Original Message -
  From: Mark Langford
  To: KRnet
  Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 07:28
  Subject: Re: KR>Belly Board


  Justin wrote:

  > THE GUY ASKED A SIMPLE QUESTION AND ALL YOU CAN DO IS TELL HIM TO SEE
THE
  > ARCHIVES! Your flat out lazy Ron Freiberger.

  Ron is absolutely right. Why should we be expected to regurgitate
everything
  we know about belly boards, when there are 151 messages that cover every
  single aspect of the belly board implementation already written in the



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KR>fiberglass repair help

[Justin]

http://www.wicksaircraft.com/gotopage.php?page=41

There are a few books on fiberglasss.

Justin
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From: "j stevens" <j...@usfamily.net>
To: "krlist" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 11:05 PM
Subject: KR>fiberglass repair help


Hi all can anyone recommend a good book or video of fiberglass repair?

thanks Joel


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KR>Re: EA-AC43.13

[Justin]

http://av-info.faa.gov/dst/43-13/
Thats the link which allows you to look at them, and download them if you
would like.

Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "roger mitchell" <rpmmo...@msn.com>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:08 AM
Subject: KR>Re: EA-AC43.13


FYI if you go to the FAA web site, type in search , "acceptical
methods,techniques,and practices", you can download
the A's bible of aircraft inspection and repair, these are min. req. but
considered safe(over 400 pages)
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KR>Tail fethers Question

[Justin]

I accidently slipped past the S plans and glued my Vertical tail post on 
without laminating the wood with 1/4" ply. The plans say to laminate ONE side 
so I laminated the easy side which was the outside of the post. 18" up like 
they said, the fuselage is 12" tall and woudl have to be a split lamination or 
tail-post removal. Is what I did acceptable? Pictures of the tail, concords 
last flight and other news is on my website below.
Any tricks to aligning the HS and building the mount for it. I know Mark 
you made your's "ground adjustable", could you give a description of how you 
did that since I also will be using the corvair and new tail etc...

Justin
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KR>OK Corvair dreamers check ebay

[Justin]

The turbo's aren't used.

Justin
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From: "D. DuRosset" <duros...@earthlink.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:31 PM
Subject: KR>OK Corvair dreamers check ebay


> Was surfing Ebay and found this Corvair listing:
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem=33615
> =2437537540
>
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem=33615
> m=2437537540>
>
> Darryl DuRossette
> KR1 at MO1
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KR>cruise power

[Justin]

In a lycoming at 8,000' full throtle is 2700 (redline). The VW im guessing
would be about 3000 unless you have a low pitch prop.


Justin
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From: "Brian Kraut" <eng...@earthlink.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:23 PM
Subject: KR>cruise power


> How do I establish what RPM equates to 75% and 60% power on a VW 2180 at
different altitudes?  I have heard from one person that full throttle at
8,000' is about 75% power and that sounds about right to me, but is RPM at
full throttle at 8,000' the same as it will be at 75% power at other
altitudes?  I assume not since data I have seen for certified planes has
different RPM settings for different altitudes.
>
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KR>building counterbalance on elevator!!!

[Justin]

The way im doing my Counter-balances is this. First I build the HS and
offsetting the outboard jigs by 2" closer to the center. Then Im going to
cut into the HS and attach the counterweight usuing plywood, foam around it
and glass it in place. The plywood is only to hold the weigth in place for
the cureing time of the fiberglass. Doign it this way I have to cut into the
aft spar for the HS but not much.

Yours is already build some some how find a way to get another peice of
wood inbetween the 2 spars for torision strength. Mine are offset like I
said.

Good luck,
Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "Ross Evans" <fly...@hotmail.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 5:35 PM
Subject: KR>building counterbalance on elevator!!!


> hi guys I am after some info on how to attach a counter balance on the
> elevator. how would you attach the arm to an already built elevator as per
> plans using what material. Mark langford u gave me the idea how would u do
> it? I have purchased the project in Australia. How fast will a kr2S go
with
> 110hp with reduction drive?
> Cheers
>
> Ross Evans
> Brisbane Australia
>
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KR>HS Question

[Justin]

Hey Group,
I am getting closer to glassing the HS. I used the "new" airfoil that Mark 
used but a slight problem came up. There is a slight offset in the elevator. 
There is about 1/8" difference at the tips speaking in length. Is this 
acceptable? What can I do to fix it?

Justin
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KR> Dr.Dean Hinges

[Justin]

I am currently on the tail section and getting alittle stumpped of how to
get the hinges to align. I drilled the rod endbearing holes but what is a
good way to align the eye bolts?

Justin
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KR>Tail Wheel

[Justin]

Ideally everyone would like a soft tailwheel. I found just that at the compton 
airshow/airfair yesterday. A scooter called the "Big Foot" has small air tires 
witch would work great as a tailwheel. This is not the big foot go-ped.Im 
working on gettign a phone # or website right now.
Justin
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KR>Dihedral Question

[Justin]

2.)Landing gear attachment.  If you are or plan to use
> the Diehl gear, you are faced with 2 choices:
> a.) use a smaller prop
> b.) Make the spar taller

Thats not true. The orginal retracts had the least amount of ground
clearance and the Diehl gear gave you more clearance.

Justin


- Original Message -
From: "Scott Cable" <s2cab...@yahoo.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 9:04 AM
Subject: KR>Dihedral Question


> Gavin & Colin,
> Colin is correct about starting the Dihedral at BL0.0
> as opposed to starting the dihedral somewhere
> outboard.
> I'm not a loads engineer, but I did a "sanity " check
> with one here at work.
> Here are some issues that you may encounter by
> starting the dihedral at BL0.0:
> 1.)Kick Loads.  How do you handle the additional kick
> loads? obviously you must make the spar larger in both
> height and width.
>
> 2.)Landing gear attachment.  If you are or plan to use
> the Diehl gear, you are faced with 2 choices:
> a.) use a smaller prop
> b.) Make the spar taller
>
> 3.) Wing Fillets.  Wing fillets are always larger and
> more complex for a BL0.0 dihedral as opposed to a
> straight spar/wing
>
> 4.)Spar / Wing to fuselage attachment complexity.  The
> dihedral really complicates this attachment scenario.
>
> 5.) Occupant packaging.  KR pilots and passengers are
> seated between the spars, with the occupant knees
> directly over the front spar.  Having the wing
> dihedral start at BL0.0, causes occupant packaging
> issues.  Do you think you will be comfortable as a
> pilot with the outbd knee higher than the inbd knee?
>
> So to answer Gavin's question, yes, there are plenty
> of low wing aircraft with the dihedral starting at the
> center.  There are far and above many more examples of
> low wing aircraft where the dihedral starts outbd of
> the center, reasons for which are stated above.
>
> Good luck and happy building!
>
>
> =
> Scott Cable
> KR-2S # 735
> Linden, MI
> s2cab...@yahoo.com
>
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KR>New Photos

[Justin]

Looking good, glad to see a corvair. I have a few questions for you. What is
that thing towards the firewall, maybe the fuel pump?
Steve Makish made his own intake (i think it was him) for the corvair.
Correct me if im wrong though, I remember looking at some photo's of a
corviar with home made intake that welding the intake tubes from the
firewall side of the engine down to the carb on the bottom. I can't seem to
find the link though.
Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>
To: "KR Net" <kr...@mylist.net>; "Corvaircraft" <corvaircr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:58 PM
Subject: KR>New Photos


I have been working on my cowl and have posted new photos on the "Photo of
the Week" page. Here is the link:
 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photo.html
I pulled the cowl from a mold and then cut out the sections which did not
fit my set up. My firewall is a little wider than the stock firewall. After
I cut out the sections, I then filled with foam and sanded to shape. The
photos tell the story.

Hoping to make Red Oakit's questionable right now.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
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http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html

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KR>New Photos

[Justin]

On the intake does anyone know if it hurts the performance of the engine if
you mount the intake tubes from the rear. Instead of welding onto the top, I
seen someone's pictures whcih they made the intake go strait back and down.

Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: KR>New Photos


> Justin,
> Yes that is the fuel pump. There will be a small hump there on the cowl.
For
> intakes, check my link:
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/intake.html
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Justin" <jmw...@socal.rr.com>
> To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 1:22 PM
> Subject: Re: KR>New Photos
>
>
> > Looking good, glad to see a corvair. I have a few questions for you.
What
> is
> > that thing towards the firewall, maybe the fuel pump?
> > Steve Makish made his own intake (i think it was him) for the
corvair.
> > Correct me if im wrong though, I remember looking at some photo's of a
> > corviar with home made intake that welding the intake tubes from the
> > firewall side of the engine down to the carb on the bottom. I can't seem
> to
> > find the link though.
> > Justin
> > N116JW
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> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>
> > To: "KR Net" <kr...@mylist.net>; "Corvaircraft"
<corvaircr...@mylist.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:58 PM
> > Subject: KR>New Photos
> >
> >
> > I have been working on my cowl and have posted new photos on the "Photo
of
> > the Week" page. Here is the link:
> >  http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photo.html
> > I pulled the cowl from a mold and then cut out the sections which did
not
> > fit my set up. My firewall is a little wider than the stock firewall.
> After
> > I cut out the sections, I then filled with foam and sanded to shape. The
> > photos tell the story.
> >
> > Hoping to make Red Oakit's questionable right now.
> >
> > Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> > Wales, WI  USA
> > E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
> > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
> >
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KR>"KR2- A Critical Design Review"

[Justin]

Has any kind of "critical design review" been done for the KR2S. The KR2S
seems to be the one that has done something about alot of the KR2's problems
with what people wanted out of the plane.

Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "Mark Langford" <n5...@hiwaay.net>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 1:31 PM
Subject: KR>"KR2- A Critical Design Review"


> "KR2, a Critical Design Review", was written by Neil Bingham.  Larry Capps
> retyped the whole thing into a Word document, so I've updated my web page
> with an html version that's a lot easier to read, thanks to him.  It's at
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/neilb.html .
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
> N56ML "at"  hiwaay.net
> see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
>
>
>
>
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KR>(no subject)

[Justin]

What kind of cruise #'s did you get with the subaru and the corvair? I love
the subaru engine but they just wont last long at that high RPM all day.4800
is still kind of steep but it's bardly in the power curve. The corvair
allows a much nicer power deleviery down low.

Justin
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From: <srmak...@aol.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:55 AM
Subject: KR>(no subject)


> Hello Colin. Steve here. At that time I had a subaru 1800 cc Asian version
> 100 HP. The intake was the stock dual carb setup with 90 degree adapters
and two
> zenith stromberg altitude compensating carbs from England. They came off
an
> 850 cc , 1961 mimi cooper. (I used to have one of these before BMW ruined
it).
> The engine ran fine for 500 hours but all this hard running (4800) rpm at
> cruise wore out the bottom end and a severe loss of oil pressure, The
engine still
> ran with 10 psi. I switched to corvair with no weight penalty and same HP.
I
> have only had this one up to 8500 feet and it ran very well with the
ellison.
> I was in the middle of the swamp  and thought I was all alone at this
altitude
> when a delta 767 passed overhead at 1 feet. I descended rather
quickly.
> He was on approach to Fort Myers.
> Steve
>
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KR>Wing Profiles

[Justin]

Mark,
What was troys #'s before and after the mods. Isnt he running the new
tail airfoil too? What engine?
How about dean's plane, engine and speeds?

I was speaking with Barnaby Warfan (incorrect spelling) about the new
airfoil today. He did alot of articles about the KR back in the 70's and he
isn't for this airfoil very much, but he also stated he didnt know much
about it. FYI: His "airplane" is in the spot next to mine in our hanger.

Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "Gavin Donohoe" <gavinandlou...@bigpond.com>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:02 AM
Subject: KR>Wing Profiles


> Well Mark, I've got my plans now, and after all the to and froing about
airfoils can you say conclusively which should be the best fit for the KR2S
built from scratch??
> I've read about the 5048 and agree it's probably the best. How many are
flying and how is  the performance shaping up?? Has there been any change
from the 5048 section lately to anything more suited??
>
>
> Gavin
>
>
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KR>firewall and spar question

[Justin]

I was looking over the plans and for the firewall forward deck I have a slight 
confusion. For the KR2S do we put 2 top firewall members (3 1/2" X 5/8") back 
to back? 

Im also getting ready (wood shopping) for my wing spar wood. Is there any 
prblem with using Duglas, anythign special I need to know before I make a 
mistake?
Justin
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KR>Helicopters

[Justin]

im assuming you flew an R22 which is an extremely unstable and sensitive
helicopter with no power. Those are at my home base airport and yeah, people
get out of hand sometimes, getting really close to the real
machines(airplane). Now the R44 (4-place instead of 2) uses hydraulics for
it's control and is not near as sensitive as the R-22.
Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "Colin" <crain...@cfl.rr.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 5:48 PM
Subject: KR>Helicopters


Netters,
Just had my first orientation into actually flying as pilot in command a
helicopter! What a rush. All should continue to investigate new areas to
maintain interest and enthusiasm, especially you guys who are still building
airframe and wings and such. It will help keep you motivated!  I gained a
greater appreciation today of how much easier it will be to fly the KR2,
even if it is sensitive. You think about turning and that copter turns. If
you just rest your hand on the cyclic, it begins oscillating all over the
place!  Give me back my fixed wing!!

Colin Rainey KR2(td) (Trying to find a place for the radios...)
crain...@cfl.rr.com
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KR>e-mail

[Justin]

Mark,
I think it would resolve all of these virus programs if the server
didn't allow any attachments. Just an idea incase for some reason my virus
program doesn't pick up this virus crap.
Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "Edwin Blocher" <ebloc...@earthlink.net>
To: "krnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 4:29 PM
Subject: KR>e-mail


Sorry, but I have lost Dana's e-mail address.
Dana, If you sent the e-mail to the net regarding "Speed", Norton says its
infected with a "bug bear" virus. I have gotten 6 or 7 messages in the last
week infected with this virus but this is the first with a KR Netter's name
being involved.
Ed Blocher
Santa Rosa Beach, FL
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KR>KR Questions - Stick Control - Prop

[Justin]

About that corvair. Go here
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/index.html

Keep in mind that WW found that 100 and 120HP is the max HP it can produce
and be reliable. I would like to have a CS prop and be able to spin the
engine faster for take off and such but time will tell.

Justin
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- Original Message -
From: <jsmon...@aol.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:40 AM
Subject: KR>KR Questions - Stick Control - Prop


> Looks like it will be official.. I will be a KR Builder by the end of the
> weekend,   I am purchasing a partially completed kit and will be hauling
it home
> this weekend!
>
> A couple of quick questions from a beginning KR builder!-
>
> >From the article Mark Langford put up on his website (I think by Neal) -
it
> appears that the stick control is over sensitive - 3/4" in either
direction is
> all that is needed to fly the KR most of the time.  It would seem that it
> would make sense to shorten the hinge length/bellcrank distance so it
would not be
> so sensitive, or have a progressive linkage if you couldn't get full
motion
> out of the ailerons in a reasonable motion length...
>
>
> Also on the corvair aircraft engine, it seems like the RPMs for aircraft
are
> lower and a higher RPM could yield a lot more horsepower.  I understand
the
> prop tip speed limitation, but would it make sense to have a shorter
diameter
> prop with more blades?  would that allow higher rpm and still obtain the
same
> bite, without exceeding the maximum efficient tip speed???  I see the
composite
> propellers often could have up to six blades  - was just thinking about
four!
>
> John Monday
> Laguna Beach CA
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KR>Marvel Mystery oil

[Justin]

No one seems to have repied to this so here is something I can throw out for
you on this. Call Marvel Mystery Oil and ask them if it can be used in
fiberglass tanks using  type of epoxy. I dont think it would do anything
to the fiberglass.
Justin
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From: "larry flesner" <fles...@midwest.net>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 8:49 AM
Subject: KR>Marvel Mystery oil


>
>
> Does anyone have any knowledge or opinion on the use of
> Marvel Mystery Oil in fiberglass tanks.  I'm already convinced
> of it's benifits for the engine after 460 hours in the Tripacer
> but I'd like to know if it will be harmful in any way to my
> tanks in the KR.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry Flesner
>
>
>
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KR>Welders

[Justin]

For my welding of Steel peices I just use a gas welder that my hanger
supplies as a EAA chapter. Cheap and does the job for light metals.
Justin
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- Original Message -
From: "mailbox bob at mail.flyboybob.com" <b...@flyboybob.com>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 5:35 PM
Subject: RE: KR>Welders


> Steve,
>
> I would recommend that you invest in TIG.  It is the most versatile of the
> methods available.  MIG is best suited for production where the process is
> worked out and repeated for volume operations.  My personal favorite
machine
> is the Lincoln Square Wave 175.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob Lee
> __
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> 91% done only 51% to go!
> Phone/Fax:   770/844-7501
> mailto:b...@flyboybob.com
> http://flyboybob.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of Steven Lemke
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 6:05 PM
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: KR>Welders
>
>
> Hey Krnetters
>
> I have not posted anything in awhile so I thought I would bring up a
> issue that I need some education on.  I am going to start building my
> engine mount and pedals so I started to look for a welder to purchase.
> Campbell hausefield, Chicago electric, Lincoln, schuemaucher and a few
> more are some of the brands I have found.  Then we get into Arc or mig.
> I have arc welded before and was pretty good at it 20 years ago.  I plan
> on building the pedal assembly myself but the engine mount I just want
> to tack weld into place and have someone who knows what the are doing
> finish it up.  I also want to be able to build a aluminum intake runners
> and maybe do a stainless steel exhaust system with it.  As always price
> is a big consideration,  Chicago electric is the cheapest and probably
> the lowest quality while Lincoln is very expensive, is it worth it?
>
> This will probably be the only time I will need it is to build my KR or
> for small repairs, nothing over a 1/8th inch thick(I am not into
> overkill).  Any advise from others out there would be great.
>
> P.S.   If Mr. Ameet is out there, please drop me a line and let me know
> what you are up to.
>
> Steven Lemke
> Omaha, Ne
> sle...@cox.net
>
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KR>Plywood

[Justin]

I was looking over my Wicks book thinking about which plywood to order. There 
is another wooden airplane in my hanger using basswood. I know it is heavier by 
2 lbs every 4X8.

The options are mahagany $118 for 4X8(10lbs). Birch $82 for 
4X8(12lbs).basswood/basswood $73 for 4X8 (10lbs)

Could someone explain these options and their strengths and weakness.

Justin
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KR>My KR2S

[Justin]

I dont feel that plywood is a good choice. I know it is proven for many
years but why not make it stronger and most likley lighter using fiberglass
to get a perfect smooth finsh? It's not as if im changing the airframe to
accept the fiberglass, it is still a stock KR2S airframe unlike the other
fiberglass boats which make complex shapes.

It's actually not much work to use this fiberglass skinning. I draw on
the foam and cut it out, it will take me about an hour to do the whole
fuselage  and then applying the glass (2 people) will be about another hour
X 2 (inside and out). Sanding the foam will take a few hours.

I did a test with the glass and the wood being varnished completly and
then sanded down. The results were as expected. The fully varnished wood was
mearly bardly holding on while the sanded wood (cleaning it first) stuck to
the point where I could not pull it apart.

Justin
- Original Message -
From: "Dan Heath" <da...@alltel.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S


RE:  Sound like it would work to you guys?

You had to ask, didn't you?  Who knows if it will or won't.  Probably, but
what do you have against wood?  What it really sounds like to me, is, A LOT
OF WORK.

N64KR

Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC

da...@kr-builder.org

See you in Red Oak - 2003

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---Original Message---

From: KR builders and pilots
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:42:08 AM
To: KR builders and pilots
Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S

As you might not know is that im not using typical plywood skins. I will be
using fiberglass skins in a sandwhich form meaning im putting foam inbetween
the wood. I will varnish the entire airplane but only one coat on the
outsides that is sanded. Remember the fiberglass will bond to the foam
extremly well and the wood but say my wood isnt correct in some place, I
will fill the gap using flox which is stronger than the wood.

 Sound like it would work to you guys?

Justin
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S


> Justin.
> In the photo of your boat you state you are varnishing the wood. Do not
> varnish it until you have skinned it, and completed the plywood gussets
> around the main spar, added your rear bulkhead, etc. If you do, you will
not
> get a good bond between the frame and skins. You are going to have to do a
> lot of sanding to get back to bare wood to skin the frame.
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI USA
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Justin" <jmw...@socal.rr.com>
> To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:46 AM
> Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S
>
>
> > http://www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/kr2s.html
> >
> > Forgot the link
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Justin" <jmw...@socal.rr.com>
> > To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:46 AM
> > Subject: KR>My KR2S
> >
> >
> > Here is a link to my website. I just bought a digital camera and took a
> few
> > pictures of my project with it. I had a bad experience with a normal
> camera,
> > the film place LOST my film which included all of my construction
photo's
> on
> > it so this digital camera will prevent that.
> >
> > Justin
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> >
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KR>Plywood vs composite skins

[Justin]

You are incorrect by you saying it is hanging on by the foam. I am making it
to where the wood and fiberglass are having full contact the entire fuselage
which it will be doing the same work as the plywood.

A few ways of doing the load is either put the glass on at a 45 or put
one going along with the longerons and the other vertical. I will still have
to do my design and annalists on this with it compared to plywood (AS).

Justin
- Original Message -
From: <ksto...@juno.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 10:45 AM
Subject: KR>Plywood vs composite skins


>
> Re:  > I dont feel that plywood is a good choice.
>
> Hi everyone... from Mattoon, IL.   I am a newbee to the KRNet as of a
couple of days ago.  This will be my first post.
>
> I would really be afraid to use sandwiched foam for plywood.  If you think
about it, when you hang 150+ lbs on the firewall, the fuselage sides between
the engine and the landing gear take a lot of stress.  The top longerons are
being stretched (tension), and the bottom ones are trying to buckle
(compression).  The plywood is crucial in sharing this load.   It serves as
a shear web for the trussed fuselage and insures that the sides maintain
their shape in load.   The outer skin of a sandwich would do very little in
sharing that shear load because it is only attached to the fuselage by the
core foam.   Sandwiched structure is great for other types of loads, but I
think that the outer skin of the sandwich in that application would only
keep the wind out like Mark said.
>
> I agree with Mark in that you cannot beat plywood.  I've been filling and
sanding my wings for a few weeks now and will finally just give up and take
defeat from some of the inperfections.
>
> That all said, I think it IS neat to brainstorm ideas and the 'what ifs'.
I'm not hanging my life on a plywood structure substitute, but IF I were on
a desert island  that had plenty of spruce, foam, glass and epoxy. but no
plywood, I think I would sandwich the spruce members between fiberglass
layers on the fuselage.  In other words, I would put foam between the spruce
members. sand it to the thickness of the side frames, and then glass both
sides (inside and out & biased to the longerons) with a couple of layers of
glass, being sure to bond the glass to the spruce everywhere.   I think that
would make a much better structure than gluing sandwiched foam to the
outside of the fuselage.  You would need to glass AFTER the fuselage is
assembled because I doubt that you could bend the sides after the glass was
applied to both sides of the side frames.  Even if you could, the inside
skin would go into compression and do less good.  You would also have lots
of fun trying to sand !
>  the foam on the inside surfaces. and would need to sand perpendicular to
the longerons on the outside to maintain the fuselage curvature.  After the
boat stage were finished, I think I would probably get homesick and try
using the structure to float home rather than spending 20 more years on the
island building something airworthy!  (I've been building mine since '81).
>
> Good luck in whatever you decide, but just remember that neat ideas may
get you into some real trouble some day if you aren't careful!  I'm sure I
will get a flashback of every deviation from plans that I have made when I
get that dude up to 500 feet for the first time!
>
> Take care,
>
> Kerwyn Stoll
> Mattoon, IL
> KR2 N40102 (60%)
>
>
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KR>My KR2S

[Justin]

Sounds like im conviced on using the plywood just putting a layer of deck
cloth over it for a nice smooth finsh. The reason I posted that I was to use
fiberglass skins after doing the correct tests was in fact to get people to
give their opinions. Obvously I was incorrect or maybe I wasn't but I dont
want to fly this bird with any question of it going to fail. Not worth the
risk or extra work to use fiberglass skins.

Anyone who put all the skins on after the boat was built know any
secrets? It seems like it is going to be a job.

 Justin
Vist My KR2S
www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/kr2s


- Original Message -
From: "Brian Kraut" <eng...@earthlink.net>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S


> I agree and add the following.
>
> 1/8" plywood is 12 pounds for a 4 X 8 ft sheet..  I haven't measured,
> but I don't think there is more than 18 pounds of plywood in the whole
> KR.  There really isn't any weight to save here
>
> The biggest problem with glass is that it will need to be so thick to
> get the buckling resistance you need that it will weigh at least as much
> as the wood.  Glass does have good tensile strength, but very low
> buckling and torsional strength for an equivalent weight.
>
> Quoting some excerpts from Low Power Laminar Aircraft Structures by Alex
> Strojnik,
>
> "Plywood is the single most efficient aircraft material we know.  It
> combines the highest shearing/buckling resistance with the lowest
> density. ...
> In an extensive study, directed at analysing the suitability of material
> for structural stressed skins several years ago, A. Puck (Some Examples
> of the Design and Construction of Highly Loaded Sailplane Parts in FRP,
> OSTIV Publication 1960) came to the conclusion that while theoretically
> the bidirectional fiberglass fabric + epoxy offer the highest shearing
> strength for the weight -today this honor would go to carbon fiber- it
> is the plywood that possesses the highest resistance (shearing and
> torsion) against wrinkling.  By far."
>
> Now if you did a sandwich construction with foam between the stringers
> and glass on both sides you would increase the buckling and bending
> strength a lot, but you would need something other than urethane foam
> because the glass will tend to tear off of the foam under bending ,
> torsion, and buckling loads.  You would need to use a higher density,
> and heavier, core.  You will probably have a finished weight more than
> with the plywood by the time you are done, and by the time you load it
> up with fillers to get it as smooth and flat as the plywood it will
> certainly be a lot heavier and take you three times as long.
>
> Sorry to disagree with you Justin, these are just my two cents.  Good
> luck with your project and keep us posted.
>
> Mark Langford wrote:
>
> >Justin wrote:
> >
> >>I dont feel that plywood is a good choice. I know it is proven for many
> >>years but why not make it stronger and most likley lighter using
> >>
> >fiberglass
> >
> >>to get a perfect smooth finsh? It's not as if im changing the airframe
to
> >>accept the fiberglass, it is still a stock KR2S airframe unlike the
other
> >>fiberglass boats which make complex shapes.
> >>
> >
> >So, there have been something like 1500 of these built, and not ONE of
them
> >has ever had the plywood mysteriously sheer off and create a crash, but
you
> >don't think it's good enough?  The plywood isn't there just to keep the
wind
> >out.  It's an integral part of the structure.  If nothing else, it acts
as a
> >gusset.
> >
> >>It's actually not much work to use this fiberglass skinning. I draw
on
> >>the foam and cut it out, it will take me about an hour to do the whole
> >>fuselage  and then applying the glass (2 people) will be about another
> >>
> >hour
> >
> >>X 2 (inside and out). Sanding the foam will take a few hours.
> >>
> >
> >I think you're seriously mistaken here.  It can't get any easier to
finish
> >something than plywood is.  You start with a smooth, flat surface, that
> >really only requires a little sealer and fine sanding and it's ready for
> >primer and paint.   You must not have had much experience with
fiberglass,
> >but the surface will be far from straight, and the pinholes will eat your
> >lunch trying to fill them all.  My guess is it'd take at least three
times
> >more effort to skin it with fiberglass then with plywood., and the
strength
> >is still in serious doubt...
> >
> >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
> >N56ML "at"  hiwaay.net
> >see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
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>

KR>Website

[Justin]

Just a website update,

Justin
N116JW
www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home

KR>Oil coolers

[Justin]

Why did you trade the 3100 for a 2700 or am I missing something.

Justin
- Original Message -
From: <srmak...@aol.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 5:50 PM
Subject: KR>Oil coolers


> I flew my 3100 on my Kr for over 50 hours with no overheating of the oil.
My
> cooler is the 11x3x1 they sell at street and sand toys, a local vw super
> store. It is mounted on top of the engine across the back and is part of
the rear
> baffle. My oil temps never got over 205 and at cruise about 195. But I
like to
> cruise at 5000 feet or better. But even on a hot Florida day at 1500 feet,
it
> still does not change a whole lot. My temp sender is at the bottom rear of
WW
> new oil pan. He seems to think the temps are fine as my oil pressure stays
at
> 48-50 psi at cruise. I now have it on my 2700 and see no difference in
temps.
> PS. I mentioned "Smokey" he had about 29000 hours in all types of aircraft
> and he passed on a couple of years ago. I miss him dearly  because I
learned a
> lot about flying from him just by listening. He made the statement once
that
> "lessons learned in flying are merely mistakes forgiven"
> Warmest regards,
> Steve
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>

KR>Spars

[Justin]

Looking at something that someone wrote about another airplanes spars was about 
the grain of the wood not being correct for a spar. On the edge of the spar 
material the grain is at a 45degree angle which is incorrect due to the load 
direction will crack against the grain in a 45 degree manner.

Is this correct? Can duglas be used for the spars?

Justin

KR>3100/2700

[Justin]

What kind of #'s are you getting with that engine anyways? Im unfamily with
your plane so full me in if you will.

Justin
- Original Message -
From: <srmak...@aol.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:34 PM
Subject: KR>3100/2700


> I flew with a 3100 until I had major valve guide problems. My own fault
for
> not checking the rocker ratio with the vw jugs. I tore up the whole inside
of
> the engine from metal in the oil. I had a stock engine sitting there so I
just
> swapped it out and started flying. I saw virtually no difference in the
3100 /
> 2700 on my set up. Static rpm was the same as was the cruise, so I just
left
> it on and that was 85 hours ago
> Steve
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>

KR>My KR2S

[Justin]

Here is a link to my website. I just bought a digital camera and took a few 
pictures of my project with it. I had a bad experience with a normal camera, 
the film place LOST my film which included all of my construction photo's on it 
so this digital camera will prevent that.

   Justin

KR>My KR2S

[Justin]

http://www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/kr2s.html

Forgot the link
- Original Message -
From: "Justin" <jmw...@socal.rr.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:46 AM
Subject: KR>My KR2S


Here is a link to my website. I just bought a digital camera and took a few
pictures of my project with it. I had a bad experience with a normal camera,
the film place LOST my film which included all of my construction photo's on
it so this digital camera will prevent that.

   Justin
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KR>My KR2S

[Justin]

As you might not know is that im not using typical plywood skins. I will be
using fiberglass skins in a sandwhich form meaning im putting foam inbetween
the wood. I will varnish the entire airplane but only one coat on the
outsides that is sanded. Remember the fiberglass will bond to the foam
extremly well and the wood but say my wood isnt correct in some place, I
will fill the gap using flox which is stronger than the wood.

Sound like it would work to you guys?

Justin
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S


> Justin.
> In the photo of your boat you state you are varnishing the wood. Do not
> varnish it until you have skinned it, and completed the plywood gussets
> around the main spar, added your rear bulkhead, etc. If you do, you will
not
> get a good bond between the frame and skins. You are going to have to do a
> lot of sanding to get back to bare wood to skin the frame.
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Justin" <jmw...@socal.rr.com>
> To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:46 AM
> Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S
>
>
> > http://www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/kr2s.html
> >
> > Forgot the link
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Justin" <jmw...@socal.rr.com>
> > To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:46 AM
> > Subject: KR>My KR2S
> >
> >
> > Here is a link to my website. I just bought a digital camera and took a
> few
> > pictures of my project with it. I had a bad experience with a normal
> camera,
> > the film place LOST my film which included all of my construction
photo's
> on
> > it so this digital camera will prevent that.
> >
> >Justin
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> >
> >
> >
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>
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KR>Corvair parts

[Justin]

I am tearing into my corvair engine and since I will be using the bored out way 
I dont need my old cylnders or pistons. Any intrested in those let me know. 
Pistons and cylnders are in good shape. Just off the stock 2700cc engine.

Justin

KR>FAA AC 43.13

[Justin]

I thought everyone should have the FAA reg.s on wood etc... and I found a nice 
site (faa) that supplies them.

http://av-info.faa.gov/dst/43-13/

Justin
KR2S

KR>290 GPU

[Justin]

An O-290 GPU engine. This guy is running just that. Not flying yet but in
contruction of it.Obvously heavier than a corvair and not near as much HP so
why you would want that engine is beyond me ut there you have it.

http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/index.html

Justin
KR2S

- Original Message -
From: "Russ & Brenda" <russandbre...@sbcglobal.net>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: KR>290 GPU


> We have a KR2S that is stretched an additional 4 in in the center. Has any
> one used on of the GPU engines and if so what were the results? Does this
> sound reasonable? Does anyone know the weight of these units and what's
> required to convert them to aircraft use?
> Thanks,
> Russ Houck.
>
>
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>
>
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KR>ivoprop

[Justin]

I am somewhat familiar with that prop. I wont be using it because it doesnt
actually move the blades but "tweaks" them to change pitch. Fiberglass
blades that will have fatiage and many reports of these props failing in
flight.I plan on using this prop. www.climbandcruise.com

Justin
KR2S


- Original Message -
From: "larry severson" <lar...@socal.rr.com>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:02 PM
Subject: KR>ivoprop


>
>
> Is anyone familiar with the in-flight adjustable prop by Ivoprop? I plan
to
> visit airports at a variety of MSL from SL to 6000 ft. It seems like the
> only answer.
>
> Larry Severson
> Fountain Valley, CA 92708
> (714) 968-9852
> lar...@socal.rr.com
>
>
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>

KR>New member, with questions.....

[Justin]

Length. Keep in mind your CG. The heavier the engine the more weight you
need aft to counter-act. Making the fuselage longer aft of the wing would be
a soulution to just that.

Make it wide enough to fit that huge O-200. Im not sure on any
demensions but I know an O-200 is far bigger than their VW drawgings call
for, and byfar heavier.

To take up the slack in weight. Use thicker wood for your firewall and
and doublers in your first 2 bays top and bottom. What I did was this, I
think plans calls for a 5/8" thick firewall but I went 3/4, mostly because
thats how thick my materal was. Also I put the doublers in the first 2 bays
as plans call for, but put them on the bottom also. One end pulls and one
pushes.

Wing tanks: Plans for the KR2 call for the wing tanks to be in the
outbord wings but I am yet to see any that go for that. Mostly everyone puts
them in the wing walk area. Most are using aluminum tanks now which is the
way to go consitering it is tested before you put it in and no chance of
auto-gas eatting it up.

Justin
KR2S
- Original Message -
From: "Gordon Sorensen" <twotterdri...@hotmail.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 12:12 PM
Subject: KR>New member, with questions.


>
>   Good Day All
>
>   I recently purchased the plans for a KR-1.  I am a little tall 6'2"
(large
> upper body) so I want to do a couple of modifications and need a little
> advice.  Sorry if these questions have been asked and answered before.  I
> went through a lot of the old posts, but didn't see everything.
>
>   1.  I want to lengthen the fuselage a little.  Is it better to widen
each
> bay or add a bay?  How wide can a bay be made (safely)?
>
>   2.  I want to use a 0-200 (my dad has one laying around).  Using a
larger
> engine, what modifications should be made to the fuselage?  Firewall?
>
>   3.  Is anyone using inset hinges and weight balance on the flying
> surfaces?  What methods are people using?
>
>   4.  Wing tanks, what kind of mounting are people using for tanks in the
> wings?  Wet wings?
>
>   Looking forward to any replies, contact me at: twotterdri...@hotmail.com
>
>   Thanks for the help
>
>   Gord Sorensen
>
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KR>Re: Silent Auction

[Justin]

Is that an all fiberglass boat? I am not family with the project but just by
looking at those pictures looks that way. Is there any KR's flying that are
all glass?

I will be using glass in place of the plywood. 2plys of 5.85oz plus deck
cloth on the outside and 1ply of 5.85 on the inside. Stronger than plywood
for sure and proubly the same weight. Time will tell.

Justin
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: KR>Re: Silent Auction


> I just made a link to some photos of the Dr Dean KR Derivative. Just click
> here:
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/dean.html
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>
> To: "KR Net" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:35 PM
> Subject: KR>Re: Silent Auction
>
>
> For those interested, the Silent Auction for the Dr. Dean KR-2S derivative
> fuselage will end on June 23rd at 8pm Central time. Please e-mail me
direct
> if you have any questions concerning this auction. Thank You
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
>
>
>
>
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> 
>
>
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> >
>
>
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KR>Re: Glass Fuse

[Justin]

I didnt weigh but I made a test for comparing strength. Mark, yes it is a
foam core, who in their right mind woudl not put foam in each bay.

I build a section of the fuselage. One bay and covered one with plywood
and one with glass. The plywood snapped before the glass.

Carbon fiber is something I am unfamilar with. I take it carbom fiber
for the same weight is aprox twice as strong as BID? Can someone fill me in
on this one.

Justin
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Langford" <n5...@hiwaay.net>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: KR>Re: Glass Fuse


> Dan wrote:
>
> > You don't have to wait for time and a situation from which you cannot
> > recover.  Why not simulate one of the panels in the fuse covered with
> glass
> > as you state.  Weigh it and a piece of the same size plywood.
>
> And when Justin's done that, he needs to make sure that three layers of
> glass are at least equal in strength and stiffness to a layer of plywood,
> which they aren't, especially without a foam core, which he didn't
mention.
> Three layers of glass is awfully flimsy, and there's no way that would
hold
> the sections of something like Dr. Dean's boat together without some
wooden
> structure between the sections, or at least a foam core.  Three layers of
> carbon fiber is practically like skinning it in thin steel, but would cost
a
> fortune, and even that would need some sort of structure between
> cross-sections.
>
> The thing that people miss about making these sexy fuselages is that
> finishing them is going to be a nightmare compared to a plywood boat.
> Smoothing the sides of a plywood boat in preparation for paint is a 10
> minute no brainer.  Smoothing a totally composite boat made up of
> continously compound curves is going to take months if you want perfection
> in the final finish.  But I've got no room to talk about taking the easy
way
> out, I guess...
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
> N56ML at hiwaay.net
> see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
>
>
>
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KR>Re: Silent Auction

[Justin]

Can you send the pictures direct. I dont see anything in attachment with the
e-mail.

Justin
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Re: Silent Auction


> These photos will show the construction better.
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Justin" <jmw...@socal.rr.com>
> To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 11:51 PM
> Subject: Re: KR>Re: Silent Auction
>
>
> > Is that an all fiberglass boat? I am not family with the project but
just
> by
> > looking at those pictures looks that way. Is there any KR's flying that
> are
> > all glass?
> >
> > I will be using glass in place of the plywood. 2plys of 5.85oz plus
> deck
> > cloth on the outside and 1ply of 5.85 on the inside. Stronger than
plywood
> > for sure and proubly the same weight. Time will tell.
> >
> > Justin
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>
> > To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 12:09 AM
> > Subject: Re: KR>Re: Silent Auction
> >
> >
> > > I just made a link to some photos of the Dr Dean KR Derivative. Just
> click
> > > here:
> > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/dean.html
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>
> > > To: "KR Net" <kr...@mylist.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:35 PM
> > > Subject: KR>Re: Silent Auction
> > >
> > >
> > > For those interested, the Silent Auction for the Dr. Dean KR-2S
> derivative
> > > fuselage will end on June 23rd at 8pm Central time. Please e-mail me
> > direct
> > > if you have any questions concerning this auction. Thank You
> > >
> > > Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> > > Wales, WI  USA
> > > E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
> > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> --
> > --
> > > 
> > >
> > >
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
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KR>Carbon Fiber

[Justin]

I dont have a AS book or Wicks book but I know the fiberglass strength is in 
there. Can someone give me the strengths of KR fiberglass, The carbon fiber 
glass and the Kevlar. Comparing weight to strength. 

Has anyone used Kevlar, it is a tad cheaper than carbon fiber and said to 
be stronger and lighter than carbon fiber. for the 5OZ it has a tesile strength 
of 620X655. Can someoen explain that to me? I want to know the difference of 
that and normal 5.85 KR cloth.

Justin
KR2S

KR>Carbon Fiber for Justin

[Justin]

Thanks Mark, and Robert.Cheered me up for the night

A hanger buddy and myself went over carbon fiber compared to KR
fiberglass. The results are simple. The weight savings for the entire
airplane will be aprox 7lbs and abotu 4X the cost. The entire airplane's
fiberglass is around 25 but around 18 with carbon fiber. That seems a minal
weight difference to pay 4X as much. If im missing something could I be
cleared up. I know Mark L has used carbon fiber for his wings and other
parts.

Justin
KR2S- Varnishing the fuselage
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Carbon Fiber for Justin


> Justin,
> I for one, am very pleased to see such an inquisitive mind concerning
> aviation. It is young fellows such as yourself that keeps aviation going
> when us old farts are all gone. Mind you, I am only 47 so I plan on being
> around for quite some time. You remind me of my oldest son when he was 16,
> full of questions and never satisfied with a simple answer and always
> wanting to reinvent things. Well, my oldest son is now 26 and an Engineer
> Graduate of Georgia Tech, with honors I might add. I am told you are 16 to
> 17 years old and I think you are on track to being a great addition to the
> aviation world. There have been a lot of flames against you for asking
> questions which have obvious answers or easy sources to find the answers.
> For those who have flamed you, I think you deserve an apology. For those
who
> have helped you, they need to be thanked. For those who were just picking
at
> you...well, I hope they remember what it was like when they started
aviation
> and especially building a plane. And, I am willing to bet none of them
were
> 16 when they took on such an enormous task as building an airplane.
Justin,
> keep asking your questions, keep learning, keep progressing and one day we
> will all be patting you on the back for doing such a good job. Never give
up
> on your dream, and never let your dream give up on you. Keep it up and
make
> us all proud to be associated with such an inquisitive mind. I see another
> engineer in the making!!!
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
>
>
> Subject: RE: KR>Carbon Fiber for Justin
>
>
> > I dont have a AS book or Wicks book but I know the fiberglass strength
> is
> > in there. Can someone give me the strengths of KR fiberglass, The carbon
> > fiber glass and the Kevlar. Comparing weight to strength.
> >
> > Has anyone used Kevlar, it is a tad cheaper than carbon fiber and
said
> > to be stronger and lighter than carbon fiber. for the 5OZ it has a
tesile
> > strength of 620X655. Can someoen explain that to me? I want to know the
> > difference of that and normal 5.85 KR cloth.
> >
> > Justin
> > KR2S
> >>
> >
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> >
>
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KR>Performance

[Justin]

John I have a few questions for you on your corvair. The warb drive prop,
how hard it is to change the pitch? You mentioned that you didnt have spats,
you refering to wheel pants? Your strait pipes sticking out has to be a big
drag factor as I read in my Custom Planes magazine.

If you would have went with the rear started woudl you have avoided the
bump  in the cowling? Im getting ready to make my wooden firefall portion
and consiter raising the top deck just a tad to allow a nice streamline cowl
rather then bumps.

Did you happen to weigh your engine fire wall forward. Whats the empty
weight?

Justin
KR2S
- Original Message -
From: "John and Janet Martindale" <johnj...@chc.net.au>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>; "CorvAircraft" <corvaircr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:52 PM
Subject: KR>Performance


Folks

Several people have asked what performance I am getting with the 2700cc
Corvair in my KR2.

With the 3 blade 56" dia Warp Drive set at 23 degrees pitch I see about 150
knots (173mph) at 3000rpm in level cruise and gross weight (1200lbs).

However the engine won't wind up to the rpm band I would prefer
(3800-4000rpm). SOS at 56" dia is about 4600rpm which coincides with about
the max performance that can be got out of the OT10 cam.

I'll be trying with a finer pitch shortly. Also yet to put on 5.00x5 spats
(big drag at present). Hoping to tweak up to at least 160 knots (RR redline
is 173 knots - 200mph).

Does anyone know if there are limits on Warp Drive rpm other than tip speed,
eg., on centripetal force at the hub or blade collars??


John and Janet Martindale
29 Jane Circuit
TOORMINA NSW 2452
AUSTRALIA

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KR>kr simulator fs2002

[Justin]

I can design the airplane from scratch but not the model of the plane, I can
imput all the data for this plane etc Create a panel and all that good
stuff and not to mention a ncie paint job.

All I would need is some testers to fly it and tell me how accurate it
is. The model I have to work with is a KR2S tail-wheel on the diehl gear.
Perfect and it will be sporting a Corvair.

Justin
- Original Message -
From: <flymaca711...@aol.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:28 PM
Subject: KR>kr simulator fs2002


> i have found what i think is the perfect Kr trainer.  the Grumman tiger is
> the real deal its free to download from many sites it needs little
tweaking. you
> need to go to settings and take all the torque out and just a little p
factor
> and the ball will respond in climb just like the real thing! also adj you
> stick feed back to med setting (microsoft force feedback 2 im allso using
ch pro
> pedals. the view is just like what i see in my Kr tri gear and pitch is
very
> close to the real thing you have to fly it with your wrest it is over
powered
> so you have to bring it back in to the green.
>
>
> billy mcfarland
> flymaca711...@aol.com
> flying kr2 2w6 maryland
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KR>kr simulator fs2002

[Justin]

IM sure the KR2S flys simular to the stock extra 300 in FS2002. Unstable,
bouncy on landing, cant take your hands off it, No flaps or speed brake,
slick airlane that loves to float.

Justin
- Original Message -
From: <flymaca711...@aol.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: KR>kr simulator fs2002


> Justin have you flew a Kr or a tiger if not don't think you going to do
> better then what i wrote i have over 200 hrs in the Kr all so i have flown
the
> tiger its as close as your going to get  to a Kr flame away i fly
mine Mac
>
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KR>Oshkosh 2003

[Justin]

I take it there will be lots of KR rides? Building a KR and never been in
one isn't the best.

Ill try to make Oshkosh this year being that school cuts back my credits
allowing me to only miss 5 days per semester to get full credit!

Justin
- Original Message -
From: "Jim Faughn" <jfau...@mvp.net>
To: "'KR builders and pilots'" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:36 PM
Subject: RE: KR>Oshkosh 2003


> Dana,
>
> Since Jeanette won't be there this year, I understand there will not be
> a KR dinner. I look forward to seeing you again.
>
> Jim
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
> Behalf Of Dana Overall
> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:02 PM
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: Re: KR>Oshkosh 2003
>
>
> Thanks Jim for standing up and speaking out for this great little
> airplane.
> For those who have not experienced how a KR should fly, stand in line
> behind
> Jim's airplane.  It will be worth the wait.
>
> I had about 40-45 RV builders stop by my campsite at SNF for beer and
> brats.
>   I've been talking with Langford on the phone and email about times for
>
> Oshkosh.  Since Jim is putting on the KR forum on Weds. afternoon, how
> about
> a get together (as long as this is not the KR dinner night) after the
> forum
> for a little get together during the Weds. evening airshow?  I am
> planning
> on camping on the flightline so we could have a place to hang
> out...as long as I'm not in the W South 40 like a three
> years ago.
>
> Don't miss the KR forum, but what do you think about having a very
> informal
> beer and brats get together??
>
>
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY
> RV-7 slider/fuselage
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
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KR>Naca Ducts

[Justin]

I looked through your website Mark, but I find nothing on how you made your 
Naca Ducts. Other people like Richard on his KR1 use something simular but 
still I dont see any way on how to make one. From pictures it seems like it 
isnt anything in the fuselage but in front of the firewall. I want to make sure 
I have nothing left to do to the fuselage before I skin it.

Justin

KR>RE: KR1004k

[Justin]

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engine, needs Alt. and some vary minor repairs. race #53, IF1 type race
plane. Vary fast and fun to fly. e-mail for more info. asking $10k. Contact
Janice Pearce located Apache Junction AZ USA. Telephone: (480)357-2900. --
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I wonder what would make him want to sell this machine? It sounds liek he
had some sort of an accident with it, saying that it needs repairs. Possibly
a prop strike?

Justin
- Original Message -
From: "ace nunye" <bearsfr...@hotmail.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 1:12 PM
Subject: KR>RE: KR1004k


>
>Is this what i think it is ? ? ? ?  It is on barnstormers for sale
>asking 10,00$
>  _
>
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>
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>
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KR>gussets

[Justin]

Another trick that I used was. I built my fuselage sides without gussets,
cleaned up the wood in prep for then tookt he wood on a 45 degree angle in
order to get 5/8" on each side and draw the angle onto the wood, then I
would cut it on the bandsaw. Of corse before I joined the 2 sides together
it had the gussets in place.

Justin
- Original Message -
From: <crk...@aol.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: KR>gussets


> Man, I love KRnet. Why? Because of the bits of information and helpful
tips
> that can be glean from this site. This is a good example. Thanks Larry
>
>
> In a message dated 6/2/2003 8:56:32 PM Central Standard Time,
> fles...@midwest.net writes:
>
> > Take an old hacksaw blade and brake a section off each end of whatever
> > length you want.  Place these two end pieces together and put a pop
rivit
> > through the hole.  After the pop rivet is set, use a hammer to pound the
> > rivet to a tightness that allows you to adjust the angle of the two
pieces
> > but will hold that angle once set.  I made one tool from a red blade and
> > another from a black blade.  I used one color for horizontal angles and
> > the other for vertical angles so I wouldn't get confused when I got to
> > the saw.  Simply open the tool to a greater angle that you will need and
> > slide it into the position the gusset will fill.  When pushed into place
it
> > will conform to the angle you need for the gusset.  Now you can use
> > the tool to set the saw, sander, or whatever
>
>
> Chuck Wyatt
> Tehuacana, Texas
> crk...@aol.com
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KR>Cowling

[Justin]

Did that cowling article ever make it to the list?

Justin

KR>Aluminum wing tanks

[Justin]

How much did Dana charge to build those tanks for you?

Justin
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: KR>Aluminum wing tanks


> These tanks will hold 11.5 gallons each if filled to capacity. That is a
> total of 23 gallons at maximum capacity. The average weight of gasoline is
> 6.1 lbs per gallon, therefore both tanks filled to maximum capacity would
> carry, combined, a total weight of 140.3 pounds of gasoline. Now, let's
say
> we burn 6.5 gallons (39.65 lbs) per hour, that would give us 3.5 hours of
> fuel. Now, let's say we cruise at 180mph, that gives us a range of 630
> miles.
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "robert glidden" <glid...@ccrtc.com>
> To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:35 PM
> Subject: Re: KR>Aluminum wing tanks
>
>
> > How much weight are you adding in fuel weight?Thanks Bob
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mark Langford" <n5...@hiwaay.net>
> > To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 9:15 AM
> > Subject: KR>Aluminum wing tanks
> >
> >
> > > Dana Overall has finished with Mark Jones' wingtank.  The details are
at
> > > http://www.krnet.org/wingtank/ .  If I ever have to build another one,
> > it'll
> > > be done this way.  Total weight is something like 5 pounds, and you
can
> > > check it for leaks before it's installed.  It's  riveted and sealed,
so
> > > there's no welding involved.  I think Dana said it holds 11.5 gallons
> with
> > > airspace at the top.  Maybe Mark can tell us more about it...
> > >
> > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
> > > N56ML "at"  hiwaay.net
> > > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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KR>HS Spar

[Justin]

I have already tapered my spars for the HS but I havent got the angle in there 
to match the airfoil. Is it too late to make it match properly? I completly 
forgot about this being a real airfoil. What is a good way to make a fixture or 
somethign to make it get the angle.I am usuing the Naca airfoil just liek Mark 
Landford.

Also Mark how did you get your elevator to be smaller but with a bigger HS 
area.

Justin

KR>shipping Epoxy by UPS

[Justin]

You can send it GROUND but not air. When your order it via AS/S they make
you send it by ground only. That may only be so for the fiberglass resign
but I ordered mine all ground due to price.

Justin
- Original Message -
From: "Dan Heath" <da...@alltel.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: KR>shipping Epoxy by UPS


Darren,

You should ask UPS.  But, I don't think there should be a problem unless it
is classified as HAZ MAT.

N64KR

Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC

da...@kr-builder.org

See you in Red Oak - 2003

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KR>Wood Question

[Justin]

I seen Birch Plywood at the Local wood store. Is this ok for airplanes? I know 
a fellow plane builder in my chapter who is building his plane with Birch but 
im not sure where he got it. I am no expert in anyway (obvously) on what is 
acceptable. 

Justin

KR>Canopy

[Justin]

What kind of canopy is used on Roy Marchs KR2S?

http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kroym.html

Justin

KR>Canopy

[Justin]

The way the canopy opens is just apealing to me. What about the Lancair 320
canopys (slides forward), would it work for a KR2S?

Justin
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Langford" <langf...@hiwaay.net>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Canopy


> Justin wrote:
>
> > What kind of canopy is used on Roy Marchs KR2S?
>
> It's a Dragonfly, which was used as a model for the KR2S canopy.  They are
> virtually identical, from what I can tell, other than the RR canopy is
3/16"
> and the Dragonfly is 1/8" thick, making it lighter.
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
> mailto:langf...@hiwaay.net
> see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
>
>
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KR>RE:Canopy

[Justin]

Mark,
What is a gull wing?I see the e-mail but what is different about it
compared to what you have?

Ace if you want to sell that d/f canopy let me know. Where is a good
place to buy one?

Justin
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Langford" <langf...@hiwaay.net>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: KR>RE:Canopy



ace nunye wrote:

>>I have a D/F canopy and what was advertised as a KR-2S canopy and looks to
me like there is gonna be ALOT of cutting to make the D?F fit, so much that
i am seriously thinking about either not using the canopy frame or not using
the D/F glass. <<

Well, I'm sure Roy had to do exactly what anybody else does that puts a
Dragonfly on his plane, he had to cut a few inches off the back, and
probably under the front, to make it fit.Then a "splash" was made of HIS
canopy (after it was cut down) and then the KR2S canopies were made from
that.  The Dragonfly canopy is so flexible that it will conform quite easily
to a variety of shapes, an advantage to it's reduced thickness, in my book.
A Pulsar canopy might be another good option, but I'm sure you'd have to cut
on it too.

Justin, one secret to the linkage arrangement of Roy's canopy is that there
is a torque tube behind the panel that connects the two forward links
together, and holds them rigidly in sync with each other.  If you just
support the canopy on four independent links, you'll have an uncontrollable
floppy mess on your hands.  If I had it to do over again, I'd do a gull
wing.  Just think about sealing that high-pressure canopy joint at the front
against 200 mph wind.

Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
mailto:langf...@hiwaay.net
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KR>Forward Deck

[Justin]

On the S model using a corvair engine would it be a benifit to make the 
forward deck taller so there are no "bumps" in the cowling. Has anyone running 
a corvair done this, I know i seen it on O-200 powered KR's.

A wood question: I accidently cut one of my firewall cross-members alittle 
too short. I glued 2 5/8" vertical peices on the end. Would this be acceptable 
or is it better to just to get a new peice of wood. The glue is stronger than 
the wood, the wood i placed with the grain going the same way as it would mount 
( up and down).

Justin

KR>kr sale?

[Justin]

If your for sure going to part it out I would be very intrested in your
Wings and landing gear.

Justin
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Gangemi" <paulw...@webtv.net>
To: "KR builders and pilots" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: KR>kr sale?


> Hi:
> As you know, I'm interested in a V/W prop 52x48 or in that area. Also
> interested in a 10" spinner for same.
>
> Sorry you have to part it out, but good luck with it.
>
> Paul Gangemi
> !029 E 25th St.
> Erie, PA  16503
> KR2s, filling and priming soon
>
>
>
>
> http://community.webtv.net/paulwasp/paulwaspspad
>
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KR>Speed Brake

[Justin]

Is there any pictures showing how to make a speed brake, What size etc.. I want 
to prepare for this kind of stuff before I skin it. I proubly be using a seat 
motor from a car to push this baby down.

Justin
KR2S-Tearing apart my Corvair

KR>landing light covers

[Justin]

Do you have any pictures of a landing light on the wheel pants? That sounds
intresting to me.

Justin
KR2S-  preparing to skin
- Original Message -
From: <aviationm...@aol.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: KR>landing light covers


> In a message dated 4/19/2003 10:36:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> langf...@hiwaay.net writes:
>
> > So I'm seriously considering just glassing over these
> > things and building a landing light that deploys out of the bottom of
the
> > fuselage, and acts as a belly flap at the same time.
> >
>
> Since you are considering changes, I have seen some nice looking lights
> mounted into the nose of the Main gear wheel pants
> Orma aka AviationMech
> KR-2 N110LR
> 1984 to Present
> www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech
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KR>Engine

[Justin]

Early as you can saturday or sunday morning. Set me up a time and date and i
will drive up there. No way it would fit in a tomahawk?

Justin
- Original Message -
From: <ronev...@aol.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 4:55 PM
Subject: KR>Engine


> Justin;
>  You better come and get that engine soon...or it will end up on
> E-Bay...for $300.
>
> RV
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