KR> Keeping it outside?

[John Gotschall]

beware "gutting" a motorhome..

Often, I believe, the internal cabinets, walls, etc are all part of the
"unibody" structure.


Remove them and whole thing will fold over sideways..

Proper gussets should be installed to carry the loads that are  no
longer borne by those internal structural walls and cabinets.

just my 2 cents..

John Gotschall
N611GB
Puyuallup, WA

KR> Keeping it outside?

[Tim]

and to boot, if you come across an old Rutan/Sheehan Single place 'Quickie' 
you'll have the engine (Onan)

- Original Message - 
From: "George Bearden" 

 Extremely low hours on the Onan 4.0 KW.
Just a thought...

GeoB

KR> Keeping it outside?

[George Bearden]

> consider purchasing an enclosed trailer for your plane.

A thing that has passed through my mind is that sometimes, particularly now,
an older motor home can be a lot cheaper than an enclosed trailer. I was
looking at some that showed promise. You could gut the interior, build a
back door, and build racks to hold the plane parts. You could sleep in it if
the occasion arose, or you could drive it where it needs to go. It stores in
about the same area. Keep the generator to run power tools. Keep the storage
underneath. 

I am looking at one now that would barely be long enough, ~26', but it is
dirt cheap, around $1000. 50k original miles. Was owned by an old man who
used to maintain fleets for ATT. Extremely low hours on the Onan 4.0 KW.
Newish tires. I think it has every option available in 1978. Awing, huge
cargo pod, very heavy duty hitch.

Registration on such an old vehicle shouldn't be much. I have AAA insurance,
and some of my vehicles I sign a statement that I don't travel over 3000
miles/year, and my premium is purdy low for them. GEICO would be even less.

Just a thought...

GeoB

KR> Keeping it outside?

[Mark Wegmet]

DJ Merrill wrote

...might be a year before I can get into a hangar, and that means rain,
snow, and ice here
in Maine.

I can buy wing covers, cabin covers, tail covers, and a prop cover.
Will that be enough ...

If they will allow you the space, have you considered some kind of tent? The
wings might stick out, but there would be enough air around the fuselage and
most of the wings to minimize condensation, and with the right space heater
might allow you to work on it too.

Mark W.
N952MW 

KR> Keeping it outside?

[Jeff Scott]

That is a very nice trailer and ideal for ground transport of the plane.  But I 
have to ask, with the plane stored sans wings, how often do you put the wings 
on and fly the plane?  I suspect not much, which is kind of the problem with 
storing the plane in a trailer. 

-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM





Hi Guys;

This was my solution since I cannot find an exceptable hanger yet.

Yeah it was pricey but O'l Blue is worth it and it doesn't take up garage
space.

 http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo106/flightsimmer_2009/P1010007.jpg

Regards, 

Myron (Dan) Freeman 
Indpls, Ind. 46203-3570 



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KR> Keeping it outside?

[Myron (Dan) Freeman]

Hi Guys;



This was my solution since I cannot find an exceptable hanger yet.



Yeah it was pricey but O'l Blue is worth it and it doesn't take up garage
space.



 http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo106/flightsimmer_2009/P1010007.jpg



?Regards, 

Myron (Dan) Freeman 

Indpls, Ind. 46203-3570 

Home of the Indy 500, 

the World's most famous 

auto race. 

mfreem...@indy.rr.com 

KR> Keeping it outside?

[Jeff Prozzo]

I think the cabin and prop covers are essential,,canopies tend to leak a 
little...it would be good if you could also wrap your engine cowl---it snows 
sideways here too. Otherwise - with fixed aluminum gear, your sbiggest enemy 
will be wind.  I don't remember if the plans call for it, but drilling drainage 
holes in each section of the floor helps keep things dry...did the same on a 
rag wing.Jeff

--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Dj Merrill <d...@deej.net> wrote:


From: Dj Merrill <d...@deej.net>
Subject: Re: KR> Keeping it outside?
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 10:03 PM


On 5/19/2009 3:38 PM, Jeff Prozzo wrote:
> Hangering is by far the best!   I can do it at Houlton for $60/month.  And I 
> get to leave a workbench and tools onsite.   Jeff
> 

Hi Jeff,
    Unfortunately there isn't any rental hangar space available here, at
least not right now (It is $150 per month when it is available).  If I
end up buying a flying KR-2, I'd have to keep it outside for awhile,
which is why I was asking how bad that would be.  It might be a year
before I can get into a hangar, and that means rain, snow, and ice here
in Maine.

    I can buy wing covers, cabin covers, tail covers, and a prop cover.
Will that be enough, or am I going to ruin the airplane if I leave it on
the ramp?

-Dj

-- 
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ          KR-2 Builder N770DJ
http://deej.net/sportsman/                  http://deej.net/kr-2/

"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane."  --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005

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KR> Keeping it outside?

[bobby burington]

HI,

If you have space at home or sometimes the airport will allow, you can rent one 
of thoes 20 foot storage containers for about 60.00 to 80.00 per month and pull 
the wings and keep it in there for the winter months. Thats what I did with 
mine and it worked prety well but there isn't much room to work on it, but it 
will stay dry and protected. You might also consider purchasing an enclosed 
trailer for your plane.

Bobby Burington
California KR Builder



--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Dj Merrill <d...@deej.net> wrote:

> From: Dj Merrill <d...@deej.net>
> Subject: Re: KR> Keeping it outside?
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 7:03 PM
> On 5/19/2009 3:38 PM, Jeff Prozzo
> wrote:
> > Hangering is by far the best!   I can
> do it at Houlton for $60/month.  And I get to leave a
> workbench and tools onsite.   Jeff
> > 
> 
> Hi Jeff,
>     Unfortunately there isn't any rental
> hangar space available here, at
> least not right now (It is $150 per month when it is
> available).  If I
> end up buying a flying KR-2, I'd have to keep it outside
> for awhile,
> which is why I was asking how bad that would be.  It
> might be a year
> before I can get into a hangar, and that means rain, snow,
> and ice here
> in Maine.
> 
>     I can buy wing covers, cabin covers,
> tail covers, and a prop cover.
> Will that be enough, or am I going to ruin the airplane if
> I leave it on
> the ramp?
> 
> -Dj
> 
> -- 
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV
> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ     
>     KR-2 Builder N770DJ
> http://deej.net/sportsman/       
>           http://deej.net/kr-2/
> 
> "Many things that are unexplainable happen during the
> construction of an
> airplane."  --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
> 
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KR> Keeping it outside?

[Dj Merrill]

On 5/19/2009 3:38 PM, Jeff Prozzo wrote:
> Hangering is by far the best!   I can do it at Houlton for $60/month.  And I 
> get to leave a workbench and tools onsite.   Jeff
> 

Hi Jeff,
Unfortunately there isn't any rental hangar space available here, at
least not right now (It is $150 per month when it is available).  If I
end up buying a flying KR-2, I'd have to keep it outside for awhile,
which is why I was asking how bad that would be.  It might be a year
before I can get into a hangar, and that means rain, snow, and ice here
in Maine.

I can buy wing covers, cabin covers, tail covers, and a prop cover.
Will that be enough, or am I going to ruin the airplane if I leave it on
the ramp?

-Dj

-- 
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ  KR-2 Builder N770DJ
http://deej.net/sportsman/  http://deej.net/kr-2/

"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane."  --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005

KR> Keeping it outside?

[Jeff Prozzo]

Deej'''...the KR you looked at last summer is coming along.  Ready to mount 
engine/instrumentsanyhow,...condensation percolates under covers. 
No Good.  Also, you need a ton of weights to hold an empty KR down if winds are 
40mph+.  Especial attention to the tail...it'll go nose up pretty easily.   
Engine and environs are great for wasps and for birds..if not used frequently.  
Hangering is by far the best!   I can do it at Houlton for $60/month.  And I 
get to leave a workbench and tools onsite.   Jeff

--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Dj Merrill <d...@deej.net> wrote:


From: Dj Merrill <d...@deej.net>
Subject: KR> Keeping it outside?
To: "kr...@mylist.net" <kr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 9:58 AM


Can a completed KR2 be kept outside with covers, or does it have to be  
kept in a hangar?  What happens if the wood gets wet?  What do you do  
when going to OSH or traveling?

Thanks,

-Dj

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KR> Keeping it outside?

[rahu...@peoplepc.com]

I found the plans neglectful (among other things) in that they did not 
specify any drain holes. I have an 1/4" hole in front of every cross piece 
in the bottom of the boat - that will keep you fuselage dry under any 
condition - I used seaplane grommets to cover the holes on the outside - 
this will keep any "thrown" water/dirt from entering thru the open holes.

Covers will go a long way to protect the airframe/canopy from UV damage as 
well as water, but a hangar is well worth the monthly rent - I share a T 
hangar, and the cost, with a fellow EAA chapter member - worth every cent - 
you don't have to sweat rain, hail, snow (rare in Houston), hurricanes, high 
winds, vandals or what ever!

Rick Human
N202RH
Houston, Texas
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From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@charter.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Keeping it outside?


If kept outside, I would definitely cover it in tarps or have a custom cover
made. The first year I flew mine to Oshkosh, we had torrential rains the
first night. I taped all the canopy seams and cowl and anywhere else I
thought water would enter the plane. I still had about 1/4 inch of standing
water inside. I simply dried it all out with towels and no harm was done. In
building a KR, it is essential that you seal all the wood that is exposed
with some sort of waterproof sealer. I used Helmsman Urethane sealer on
mine. If you properly seal all the wood, even the inside of your spars, you
will have a plane that will outlive you.


Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI
E-mail: flyk...@charter.net
Web: www.flykr2s.com

KR> Keeping it outside?

[Mark Jones]

If kept outside, I would definitely cover it in tarps or have a custom cover 
made. The first year I flew mine to Oshkosh, we had torrential rains the 
first night. I taped all the canopy seams and cowl and anywhere else I 
thought water would enter the plane. I still had about 1/4 inch of standing 
water inside. I simply dried it all out with towels and no harm was done. In 
building a KR, it is essential that you seal all the wood that is exposed 
with some sort of waterproof sealer. I used Helmsman Urethane sealer on 
mine. If you properly seal all the wood, even the inside of your spars, you 
will have a plane that will outlive you.


Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI
E-mail: flyk...@charter.net
Web: www.flykr2s.com

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From: "Dj Merrill" <d...@deej.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: KR> Keeping it outside?


Can a completed KR2 be kept outside with covers, or does it have to be
kept in a hangar?  What happens if the wood gets wet?  What do you do
when going to OSH or traveling?

Thanks,

-Dj

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KR> Keeping it outside?

[Dj Merrill]

Can a completed KR2 be kept outside with covers, or does it have to be  
kept in a hangar?  What happens if the wood gets wet?  What do you do  
when going to OSH or traveling?

Thanks,

-Dj