KR> Nuts and bolts
Thanks to all who offered information, its is very much appreciated. IHS PatS Seminary, MS
KR> Nuts and bolts
Pat, Regarding the cotter (not "carter") pin hole - fiberlock nuts should probably not be used with a bolt having a hole within the threaded portion. The thought is that the sharp edge or a burr around the hole could damage the locking ability of the fiberlock, especially if the nut has been removed and put back on several times. Ed - Original Message - From: "Pshows" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:26 PM Subject: KR> Nuts and bolts I am still going over a project that I purchased last year, taking things out that don't suit me and such. So now I have a couple of questions. The wheel attached to the landing gear main has four bolts with fiber lock nuts, is this acceptable? There is carter pin hole in the bolt, nor safety wire hole in the nut. Next, how do you clean the journals of the crank after nitriding? I don't have a lathe so can't mount it and polish that way. IHS PatS Seminary, MS ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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Hi Mark, Went in and looked at your engine/plug photos. I've run auto fuel and 100LL in my A65 and have always run Marvel in it. No build-up on plugs or pistons. I use it in the oil and the fuel. Never miss adding and I think it really works.. Seems to keep the build-up soft so it continues to blow out. I do run the engine wide open throttle a lot which I think helps keep the temps high and cuts down on the junk accumulating. Just my .02.. Ron --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Mark Langford wrote: > From: Mark Langford > Subject: Re: KR> Nuts and bolts > To: "Pshows" , "KRnet" > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 3:49 AM > Pat Shows wrote: > > >>I am still going over a project that I purchased > last year, taking things > >>out that don't suit me and such. So now I have > a couple of questions. > >>The wheel attached to the landing gear main has > four bolts with fiber lock > >>nuts, is this acceptable? There is carter pin hole > in the bolt, nor > >>safety wire hole in the nut. Next, how do you > clean the journals of the > >>crank after nitriding? I don't have a lathe so > can't mount it and polish > >>that way.<< > > My axles are also attached with nylocs, and they > haven't fallen off yet > after close to 2000 crappy landings. It should be easy > enough to buy a > castellated nut and drill a matching hole for a cotter pin > for the axle nut. > I used a strip of gray Scotchbrite Ultra Fine pad to > see-saw a nice finish > on my nitrided crank in just a few minutes. You need to > clean it thoroughly > afterwards to get the abrasive off of it by doing something > like a rifle > brush through the oil holes in a vat of kerosense or diesel > fuel. I think I > showed something like that at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/95hp/270hrs/ ... > > Mark Langford > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > website at http://www.N56ML.com > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to > krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at > http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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>>>The wheel attached to the landing gear main has four bolts with fiber >>>lock >>>nuts, is this acceptable? Maybe I missed your point...the two wheel halves on my certified Clevelands are also fastened together by nylocs. Mark Langford N56ML "at" hiwaay.net website at http://www.N56ML.com
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> > The wheel attached to the landing gear main has four bolts with fiber lock > nuts, is this acceptable? There is carter pin hole in the bolt, nor safety > wire hole in the nut. Fiber or nylon lock nuts are the norm where no rotational forces are involved. As the the bracket or gear leg are fixed items, so these nuts are what you would use. The fact that the bolts have a hole probably just means the previous owner didn't have the correct bolt lengths on hand without holes. They will be fine. Cheers. -- Darren Crompton AUSTRALIA My web site: www.kr-2s.com
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Pat Shows wrote: >>I am still going over a project that I purchased last year, taking things >>out that don't suit me and such. So now I have a couple of questions. >>The wheel attached to the landing gear main has four bolts with fiber lock >>nuts, is this acceptable? There is carter pin hole in the bolt, nor >>safety wire hole in the nut. Next, how do you clean the journals of the >>crank after nitriding? I don't have a lathe so can't mount it and polish >>that way.<< My axles are also attached with nylocs, and they haven't fallen off yet after close to 2000 crappy landings. It should be easy enough to buy a castellated nut and drill a matching hole for a cotter pin for the axle nut. I used a strip of gray Scotchbrite Ultra Fine pad to see-saw a nice finish on my nitrided crank in just a few minutes. You need to clean it thoroughly afterwards to get the abrasive off of it by doing something like a rifle brush through the oil holes in a vat of kerosense or diesel fuel. I think I showed something like that at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/95hp/270hrs/ ... Mark Langford N56ML "at" hiwaay.net website at http://www.N56ML.com
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I am still going over a project that I purchased last year, taking things out that don't suit me and such. So now I have a couple of questions. The wheel attached to the landing gear main has four bolts with fiber lock nuts, is this acceptable? There is carter pin hole in the bolt, nor safety wire hole in the nut. Next, how do you clean the journals of the crank after nitriding? I don't have a lathe so can't mount it and polish that way. IHS PatS Seminary, MS
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At 04:18 AM 12/7/05, Serge wrote: >Obviously, to order that, I needed to identify the screw size correctly >(remember, I live in Europe, so non-Metric things must be ordered from the >US by mail order, and the order must be right first time, otherwise...I'm >screwed!). One resource for technical details for US screws (mostly not _Aircraft_ screws) is http://www.mcmaster.com/ If you do a search for "screws", the first item to come up will be the selection list, with an astonishing array of types. Once you get down to a specific type, the catalog pages will usually have technical details for them. For an example of mind-numbing detail, here is what comes up for a drilled fillister head machine screw, 8/32: Part Number: 90350A265 $12.38 per Pack of 10 FED Specification Fed. Spec. FF-S-92 MIL Specification MIL 35275 Head Style Drilled Fillister Material Type Stainless Steel Finish Plain Stainless Steel Type18-8 Stainless Steel MIL 35275 Dash #243 Drive Style Slotted System of Measurement Inch Thread Size #8-32 Length 3/8" Decimal Size.164" Head Diameter .270" Head Height .156" Hole Size .048" Thread Point Style Machine Specifications Met Federal Specifications (FED) and Military Specifications (MIL) Rockwell Hardness B85-B95 Minimum Tensile Strength80,000 psi along with a technical drawing. Regards, RonB
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Serge is never gonna find a rationale for the IMPERIAL SYSTEM. Furlongs and Fortnights!!! Ron Freiberger mail to ronandmar...@earthlink.net
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Hey! This is so unfair! This time, I took great care not to argue about the wisdom of the Imperial system! ;-) Serge Vidal "Ron Freiberger" Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net 2005-12-07 19:54 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-12-07 19:54 Pour : "'KRnet'" cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> Nuts and bolts Serge is never gonna find a rationale for the IMPERIAL SYSTEM. Furlongs and Fortnights!!! Ron Freiberger mail to ronandmar...@earthlink.net ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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Could somebody well versed in the secrets of the Imperial system tell me: 1 - When a thread size is expressed at, say, 10-32, what do the "10" and the "32" stand for? 2 - The AN system starts at AN3, which is 10-32. What would be the next smaller size in the standard Imperial system? Serge VIDAL KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France
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10 refers to the size, probably 10 gauge and 32 refers to threads per inch. Question 2 probably 12-32 which would be a machine screw not AN. Doug Rupert Could somebody well versed in the secrets of the Imperial system tell me: 1 - When a thread size is expressed at, say, 10-32, what do the "10" and the "32" stand for? 2 - The AN system starts at AN3, which is 10-32. What would be the next smaller size in the standard Imperial system? Serge VIDAL -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 12/2/2005
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32 is the threads per inch. From: "Doug Rupert" List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: 2005/12/06 Tue AM 11:59:05 CST To: "'KRnet'" Subject: RE: KR> Nuts and bolts 10 refers to the size, probably 10 gauge and 32 refers to threads per inch. Question 2 probably 12-32 which would be a machine screw not AN. Doug Rupert Could somebody well versed in the secrets of the Imperial system tell me: 1 - When a thread size is expressed at, say, 10-32, what do the "10" and the "32" stand for? 2 - The AN system starts at AN3, which is 10-32. What would be the next smaller size in the standard Imperial system? Serge VIDAL -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 12/2/2005 -- next part -- ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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OK, thanks. That raises another question: what would "10 gauge" be? "Doug Rupert" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem@mylist.net 2005-12-06 18:59 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-12-06 18:59 Pour : "'KRnet'" cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : RE: KR> Nuts and bolts 10 refers to the size, probably 10 gauge and 32 refers to threads per inch. Question 2 probably 12-32 which would be a machine screw not AN. Doug Rupert Could somebody well versed in the secrets of the Imperial system tell me: 1 - When a thread size is expressed at, say, 10-32, what do the "10" and the "32" stand for? 2 - The AN system starts at AN3, which is 10-32. What would be the next smaller size in the standard Imperial system? Serge VIDAL -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 12/2/2005 ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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I think the an3 and the 10 are the same, so that would make it a 3/16, but now you are going beyond what I learned at Holiday Inn Express, last night. From: Serge VIDAL List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: 2005/12/06 Tue PM 12:04:45 CST To: KRnet Subject: Réf. : RE: KR> Nuts and bolts OK, thanks. That raises another question: what would "10 gauge" be? "Doug Rupert" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem@mylist.net 2005-12-06 18:59 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-12-06 18:59 Pour : "'KRnet'" cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : RE: KR> Nuts and bolts 10 refers to the size, probably 10 gauge and 32 refers to threads per inch. Question 2 probably 12-32 which would be a machine screw not AN. Doug Rupert Could somebody well versed in the secrets of the Imperial system tell me: 1 - When a thread size is expressed at, say, 10-32, what do the "10" and the "32" stand for? 2 - The AN system starts at AN3, which is 10-32. What would be the next smaller size in the standard Imperial system? Serge VIDAL -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 12/2/2005 ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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Serge VIDAL wrote: > Could somebody well versed in the secrets of the Imperial system tell > me: > Serge, I Googled: "Aircraft Bolts Specifications" About the 3rd hit had the title: "Aircraft Hardware - What you need to know". Click on that one and about one or two pages down you will find: "Figure 2: AN Aircraft Bolt Dimensions" Click on that one and you get a whole table of dimensions. Perhaps that helps. Otherwise, there are beaucoup more hits on Google. Regards, Louis Staalberg Payson Arizona N9FL "at" cbiwireless.com
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On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:43:05 +0100 Serge VIDAL writes: > Could somebody well versed in the secrets of the Imperial system tell > me: > > 1 - When a thread size is expressed at, say, 10-32, what do the "10" > and > the "32" stand for? 10 is the diameter 32 is threads per inch > > 2 - The AN system starts at AN3, which is 10-32. What would be the > next > smaller size in the standard Imperial system? AN3 is 3/16ths Diameter=== The next number is the length in 1/16 or 1/8" Virg > > Serge VIDAL > KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" > Paris, France > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl
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On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:04:45 +0100 Serge VIDAL writes: > OK, thanks. That raises another question: what would "10 gauge" be? > > #10 is 3/16ths",Virg > > > > "Doug Rupert" > > Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem@mylist.net > 2005-12-06 18:59 > Veuillez répondre à KRnet > Remis le : 2005-12-06 18:59 > > > Pour : "'KRnet'" > cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) > Objet : RE: KR> Nuts and bolts > > > > 10 refers to the size, probably 10 gauge and 32 refers to threads > per > inch. > Question 2 probably 12-32 which would be a machine screw not AN. > > Doug Rupert > > > > Could somebody well versed in the secrets of the Imperial system > tell me: > > > > 1 - When a thread size is expressed at, say, 10-32, what do the "10" > and > > the "32" stand for? > > > > 2 - The AN system starts at AN3, which is 10-32. What would be the > next > > smaller size in the standard Imperial system? > > > > Serge VIDAL > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: > 12/2/2005 > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL www.lubedealer.com/salisbury Miami ,Fl
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Check out my site, links page... http://www.infinigral.com/melder/flying/KR1/links.php At the bottom, you will see a link for bolts and drills. This is a list I compiled for various fasteners, tap drill sizes for different threads, etc Hope this helps someone. Matt Serge VIDAL wrote: OK, thanks. That raises another question: what would "10 gauge" be? "Doug Rupert" Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem@mylist.net 2005-12-06 18:59 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 2005-12-06 18:59 Pour : "'KRnet'" cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : RE: KR> Nuts and bolts 10 refers to the size, probably 10 gauge and 32 refers to threads per inch. Question 2 probably 12-32 which would be a machine screw not AN. Doug Rupert Could somebody well versed in the secrets of the Imperial system tell me: 1 - When a thread size is expressed at, say, 10-32, what do the "10" and the "32" stand for? 2 - The AN system starts at AN3, which is 10-32. What would be the next smaller size in the standard Imperial system? Serge VIDAL -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 12/2/2005 ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html - Matthew Elder Orangeburg, SC http://www.infinigral.com/melder My Airplane Project: http://www.infinigral.com/melder/flying/KR1/
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At 11:43 AM 12/6/2005, you wrote: >Could somebody well versed in the secrets of the Imperial system tell me: > >1 - When a thread size is expressed at, say, 10-32, what do the "10" and >the "32" stand for? My Tony Bingelis book with all the good info is loaned out at the moment but here are the basics: 10-32 is the "fine thread" series of bolts as used in aircraft. It is 3/16" in diameter with 32 threads per inch. It is usually referred to as an AN3, indicating it's diameter in 1/16's of an inch. The next size larger would be an AN4 (4/16" or 1/4 inch). The dash number following the AN3 would indicate the length in 1/8" increments The A , H, or no letter following the - number indicates whether the bolt has a drilled head, a drilled shank, or not drilled at all. >2 - The AN system starts at AN3, which is 10-32. What would be the next >smaller size in the standard Imperial system? The next size smaller here in the U.S.A. would be a #8 with 36 threads per inch. I'm GUESSING that to be a 1/8" bolt / screw so whatever your equivalent to .125" should be close. We don't use that size on anything structural. What is your intended use? Larry Flesner
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> I'm GUESSING that to be a 1/8" bolt / screw so whatever your >equivalent to .125" should be close. We don't use that size on anything >structural. What is your intended use? >Larry Flesner So much for GUESSING!! According to the chart that Matt pointed us to, the size for a #8 would be 0.164". I need to quit loaning out my Tony Bingelis books I guess. My original question still stand though. What is your intended use? Larry Flesner
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..go to Wicks or Aircraft Spruce online catalogs and there is information on the AN numbering system... My advice is worth what it costs..(free) Keep on keeping on, On 12/6/05, Matthew Elder wrote: > > Check out my site, links page... > > http://www.infinigral.com/melder/flying/KR1/links.php > > At the bottom, you will see a link for bolts and drills. > This is a list I compiled for various fasteners, tap drill sizes for > different threads, etc > > Hope this helps someone. > > Matt > > > Serge VIDAL wrote: OK, thanks. That raises > another question: what would "10 gauge" be? > > > > > > "Doug Rupert" > > Envoyé par : krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=sagem@mylist.net > 2005-12-06 18:59 > Veuillez répondre à KRnet > Remis le : 2005-12-06 18:59 > > > Pour : "'KRnet'" > cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) > Objet : RE: KR> Nuts and bolts > > > > 10 refers to the size, probably 10 gauge and 32 refers to threads per > inch. > Question 2 probably 12-32 which would be a machine screw not AN. > > Doug Rupert > > > > Could somebody well versed in the secrets of the Imperial system tell me: > > > > 1 - When a thread size is expressed at, say, 10-32, what do the "10" and > > the "32" stand for? > > > > 2 - The AN system starts at AN3, which is 10-32. What would be the next > > smaller size in the standard Imperial system? > > > > Serge VIDAL > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 12/2/2005 > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > - > Matthew Elder > Orangeburg, SC > http://www.infinigral.com/melder > > My Airplane Project: > http://www.infinigral.com/melder/flying/KR1/ > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Jerry Mahurin - aka - KRJerry EAA# 0034283 Lugoff, SC 29078
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As others have answered, 10 is the diameter and 32 is 32 threads per inch. I have no idea what the 10 stands for, but going smaller than that in screw sizes you have 8-32, 6-32, 4-40, and 2-56 as the common used screws. The 3 in AN3 is 3/16" diameter and that refers to the size of the shank of the bolt. Going bigger than that you have AN4 which is 1/4" (4/16), AN5 as 5/16", etc. For your second question there really is not a smaller bolt than an AN3 that I am aware of. Smaller than that they are screws, not bolts, although there may be some special odd bolts smaller than that but they are certainly not common. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Serge VIDAL Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 12:43 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Nuts and bolts Could somebody well versed in the secrets of the Imperial system tell me: 1 - When a thread size is expressed at, say, 10-32, what do the "10" and the "32" stand for? 2 - The AN system starts at AN3, which is 10-32. What would be the next smaller size in the standard Imperial system? Serge VIDAL KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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Wow! I never expected such a debate on what I thought was a simple question! OK, let me explain what I am up to. I am trying to order replacement screws for my Zenith/Stromberg carburetor (so, Larry, you may stop worrying about me: it IS non-structural indeed). Now, the bottom part of the carb is secured with long, thin machine screws, which are of a diameter of roughly 3.2mm, if I remember well. Obviously, to order that, I needed to identify the screw size correctly (remember, I live in Europe, so non-Metric things must be ordered from the US by mail order, and the order must be right first time, otherwise...I'm screwed!). With metric screws, this would be a non-issue: take a caliper, measure the diameter in millimeters, period. But US machine screws seem to have obscure names, like MS35206-203, and even more obscure size names, like 2-56 or 8-32. So, I was definitely lost. And yes, before I asked, I did check in Tony Bingelis's books, and also the AC-4313 1A, even in the Jeppesen sheet metal course, and the Internet too. Lots of data on AN stuff, but I could not find any explanation on the machine screws measurement system. Now, I then noticed that the smallest AN bolt size is also defined the same way (10-32). Hence my question: what do the two figures mean, so that I can understand what is what in the Imperial system, and make sure I order the right stuff. I am now pretty sure the correct size will be 8-32. Thanks for all the help, guys. Now, for fellow non-US builders who are also lost in translation, I compiled a Microsoft Excel table of the AN hardware sizes which gives Metric measurements. Anybody interested, just shoot. Serge Vidal KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud" Paris, France
