KR> Throttle cables

[Herbert Fürle]

Thanks god the rotax 912 does'nt need a mixture mechanic,only a choke 
cable! After 15 years using a push-pull friction knob on my Kitfox I made a 
simple throttle quadrant with bowden cables ,very comfortable and quick to use.
Herbert F?rle,
German Kr
Hier ist ein Link zu ?P1040875.JPG? in meiner Dropbox:

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KR> Throttle cables

[Flesner]

The important thing to remember when using flexible cables is to 
secure the sheath so it does not move when the inner cable is pushed 
/ pulled.  Also, oil it well on install and each year on the annual 
inspection.  It doesn't take much motion of the outer sheath to cause 
the movement of he inner wire to be erratic and unreliable.

Larry Flesner

KR> Throttle cables

[Dan Heath]

I use a friction lock on the throttle, a Vernier on the mixture and a button
lock on the carb heat.



I like the idea of being able to make small adjustments in the throttle
setting with a Vernier, but, I know that I would forget to push the button
when I needed to go around and advance the throttle quickly.



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my installation.



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-Original Message-



What are you all using?. A normall throttle with a friction or the vernier
system. What is the experiance? 

KR> Throttle cables

[Wayne]

> KR> Throttle cables
> Flesner flesner at frontier.com
> Tue Mar 3 21:06:30 EST 2015
>
> You might want to check to see if the A working on your airplanes
> actually has a license.  With the proper clamp, properly installed,
> that should never happen.
>
> Larry Flesner

No one was ever blamed, but we did have a new A on the field. In my 
opinion, he was responsible. I never understood why that clamp was 
loose. I was the one who found the problem, I went and opened the cowl 
to see what was wrong. I was working at the time as ground manager for a 
3 aircraft banner towing operation.  This was in 1999. 9/11/01 put us 
and several other operators out of business. Shortly thereafter, I was 
grounded with health issues and haven't flown since.

That situation has stuck in my mind. I have looked closely at a number 
of Experimental aircraft since and without exception, they have been 
better engineered then a certified commercial aircraft.

Wayne DeLisle Sr.

KR> Throttle cables

[Jeff Scott]

This really is a personal preference issue as any of the standard throttle 
cables/quadrants will work just fine.  My KR has a vernier throttle in the 
center, my SuperCub has the throttle mounted into the left side trim panel with 
a friction adjustment under the panel.  My last plane before that had a center 
throttle quadrant.  I find that in the KR I like the fine control of dialing a 
tiny bit of throttle in or out with the vernier control.  I don't ever give it 
a thought as it took me a minute or two to recall which type of throttle I have.

On both planes, I used an A-740 RACHET CONTROL cable for both mixture and carb 
heat.  This type of cable is like any other push/pull bowden cable, but has a 
series of detents on the handle, so it clicks as it slides in or out and won't 
creep.  That gives me a good reference when setting the mixture. (richen 1 
click or lean 2 clicks)

Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM
jeffsplanes.com

>
> I believe Tony Bingelis would say to make sure the two control knobs are
> different.  Different color is obvious, but also different sizes, and
> perhaps different types of lock to prevent accidental activation of the
> throttle when you intended to lean the mixture, for example.

> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
> ML at N56ML.com
> www.N56ML.com  

KR> Throttle cables

[Flesner]

>Back in the day when I was flying club rentals, we had well used 
>C-140's. One day, on final at ~1800rpm, I pull the throttle and 
>nothing, still 1800, sawed the throttle back and forth some and it 
>went to idle. WTH! A check showed the throttle cable was loose in 
>the clamp at the carb. What surprised me was the cable. It was 
>little more then a lawn mower cable. Very primitive. A week later a 
>new guy with his really nice C-140 had a similar issue at about 
>2100. Nor realizing the problem, he tried to go around and ended up 
>hanging nose down in the tops of 50' trees. No injuries  but the 
>plane was a write off.
>--
>Wayne DeLisle Sr.
++

You might want to check to see if the A working on your airplanes 
actually has a license.  With the proper clamp, properly installed, 
that should never happen.

Larry Flesner 

KR> Throttle cables

[stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl]

Good And interesting story.
Talking about the throttle I have a question. What are you all using?. A 
normall throttle with a friction or the vernier system. What is the experiance? 
I have to buy it soon but I am in a doubt.
Stef


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>Origineel Bericht
>Van : krnet at list.krnet.org
>Datum : 03/03/2015 14:45
>Aan : krnet at list.krnet.org
>Onderwerp : KR> Throttle cables
>
>Back in the day when I was flying club rentals, we had well used 
>C-140's. One day, on final at ~1800rpm, I pull the throttle and nothing, 
>still 1800, sawed the throttle back and forth some and it went to idle. 
>WTH! A check showed the throttle cable was loose in the clamp at the 
>carb. What surprised me was the cable. It was little more then a lawn 
>mower cable. Very primitive. A week later a new guy with his really nice 
>C-140 had a similar issue at about 2100. Nor realizing the problem, he 
>tried to go around and ended up hanging nose down in the tops of 50' 
>trees. No injuries  but the plane was a write off.
>-- 
>Wayne DeLisle Sr.
>
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KR> Throttle cables

[Dan Heath]

Jeff,

I also have a vernier, but for the mixture as with this one, you have to
push a button to move it in and out, but then turn it for fine control.  Do
they make a vernier for the throttle, where you do not have to push a button
on the end to move it in and out?  If that is what you have how would it be
identified.

My Panther Building Documentation at PantherBuilder Web Site

Daniel R. Heath -?Lexington, SC

-Original Message-

My KR has a vernier throttle in the center

KR> Throttle cables

[Mark Langford]

I believe Tony Bingelis would say to make sure the two control knobs are
different.  Different color is obvious, but also different sizes, and
perhaps different types of lock to prevent accidental activation of the
throttle when you intended to lean the mixture, for example.

I happen to have had this experience, on one of my first flights.  Both
throttle and mixture were the same size knobs, although one was red and the
other black.  I was climbing through crosswind and beginning to turn
downwind and pulled the throttle back to end the climb and reach a lower
downwind RPM.   But I wasn't looking at the knobs...just operating by
location, (without thinking) and pulled the "throttle" back quickly.  It was
actually the mixture knob, and the engine promptly quit.  Not a good thing
while in the pattern!  It took a few seconds to determine what happened and
it restarted instantly, but it could have been a lot worse!  For that
reason, I changed out the mixture to a much smaller vernier knob with a
completely different shape.  I never did that again, and set up N891JF in a
similar manner.

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
ML at N56ML.com
www.N56ML.com  

KR> Throttle cables

[n357cj]

I have the opposite experience from the comment below. I built my plane with 
the vernier throttle and mixture. They are side by side that a couple of my 
fingers fit between them (right handed) and my thumb rests on the push button 
of the throttle for instant movement for take off and landing. Actually it is 
more accurate that my right hand is resting on both and I can and have 
manipulated both of them at the same time.  In flight I often use the vernier 
throttle to make small adjustments to the rpm's (or speed). I love it and would 
not want it any other way. I never even thought about changing it for the plane 
I'm working on now. Another reason that I went with the vernier throttle was 
that it was always in the positive lock. If I am not wrong many (all ??) 
push/pull have a seperate twist lock of some kind???
Someone else mentioned the actual cable size bing small on a certified 
aircraft in one of the mis-adventures earlier. I am pretty certain that there 
is different cable sizes available when ordering. I think that I have the .095 
cable in mine for both throttle and mixture. I fooled with atuo store cables 
which became clear was a waste of my time and some money.
Again this is my choice and works great for me, but there aare other ways and 
throttle quandrants is a whole nother arena.
Joe Horton


Subject: Re: KR> Throttle cables


The standard would be a friction lock type.  The vernier takes a bit to get 
used to as a throttle,  (must be a twisty thing),but would work.  If you have 
never used a vernier throttle, I would not recommend  using one on a first 
flight in a newly built experimental aircraft. No heckling from the Bonanza 
folks.
Roger
rbaalman at cox.net



> Talking about the throttle I have a question. What are you all using?. A 
> normall throttle with a friction or the vernier system. What is the 
> experiance? I have to buy it soon but I am in a doubt.


___

KR> Throttle cables

[Rob Schmitt]

Normal with friction lock.


> On Mar 3, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Roger Baalman via KRnet  list.krnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> The standard would be a friction lock type.  The vernier takes a bit to get 
> used to as a throttle,  (must be a twisty thing),but would work.  If you have 
> never used a vernier throttle, I would not recommend  using one on a first 
> flight in a newly built experimental aircraft. No heckling from the Bonanza 
> folks.
> Roger
> rbaalman at cox.net
> 
> 
> 
>> Talking about the throttle I have a question. What are you all using?. A 
>> normall throttle with a friction or the vernier system. What is the 
>> experiance? I have to buy it soon but I am in a doubt.
> 
> 
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[rbaalman at cox.net]

The standard would be a friction lock type.  The vernier takes a bit to get 
used to as a throttle,  (must be a twisty thing),but would work.  If you have 
never used a vernier throttle, I would not recommend  using one on a first 
flight in a newly built experimental aircraft. No heckling from the Bonanza 
folks.
Roger
rbaalman at cox.net



> Talking about the throttle I have a question. What are you all using?. A 
> normall throttle with a friction or the vernier system. What is the 
> experiance? I have to buy it soon but I am in a doubt.

KR> Throttle cables

[Dave Acklam]

Don't know about anyone else, but I'm using a Cessna-style
vernier/push-pull 'combo' cable for both mixture & throttle...

Push the button in to push/pull, or don't push it & twist...

'course, coming from C172s, I'm used-to that setup...

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Roger Baalman via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

>
> The standard would be a friction lock type.  The vernier takes a bit to
> get used to as a throttle,  (must be a twisty thing),but would work.  If
> you have never used a vernier throttle, I would not recommend  using one on
> a first flight in a newly built experimental aircraft. No heckling from the
> Bonanza folks.
> Roger
> rbaalman at cox.net
>
>
>
> > Talking about the throttle I have a question. What are you all using?. A
> normall throttle with a friction or the vernier system. What is the
> experiance? I have to buy it soon but I am in a doubt.
>
>
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KR> Throttle cables

[Wayne]

Back in the day when I was flying club rentals, we had well used 
C-140's. One day, on final at ~1800rpm, I pull the throttle and nothing, 
still 1800, sawed the throttle back and forth some and it went to idle. 
WTH! A check showed the throttle cable was loose in the clamp at the 
carb. What surprised me was the cable. It was little more then a lawn 
mower cable. Very primitive. A week later a new guy with his really nice 
C-140 had a similar issue at about 2100. Nor realizing the problem, he 
tried to go around and ended up hanging nose down in the tops of 50' 
trees. No injuries  but the plane was a write off.
-- 
Wayne DeLisle Sr.

KR> Throttle Cables

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

Mark L,
 I was wondering about the cables you used on your Ellison TBI carb for 
throttle, mixture & carb heat?  In looking at the control cables in AS 
they have many different lengths and also the choice of straight cable or 
10-32 threaded ends.  What worked out to be the best solution for your 
application as far as length and the type of ends? I guess Mark J could also 
respond to this as he used the same carb.
Thanks,
Bud Midkiff
Lynnwood, WA
email: c.midk...@verizon.net
my webpage:  http://mysite.verizon.net/res18ums/index.html


- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:55 PM
Subject: KR> teeny weeny project update

>snip< 

KR> Throttle Cables

[Mark Jones]

From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" 
>  I was wondering about the cables you used on your Ellison TBI carb for
> throttle, mixture & carb heat?  >

Bud,
For the throttle, I am using an A820-black friction lock with straight wire
cable end. The cable end is attached to the carb arm using a WG-1 wire grip.
The mixture control is a Vernier A790-red also using the WG-1 wire grip. The
Carb heat control is a push pull A730-black and connects to the valve arm
with a CE2 cable end nut.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html

KR> Throttle Cables

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

Thanks Mark, I suppose with that type cable, you could buy the longer cables 
and cut them to the length you need.
Bud

From: "Mark Jones" 
> Bud,
> For the throttle, I am using an A820-black friction lock with straight 
> wire
> cable end. The cable end is attached to the carb arm using a WG-1 wire 
> grip.
> The mixture control is a Vernier A790-red also using the WG-1 wire grip. 
> The
> Carb heat control is a push pull A730-black and connects to the valve arm
> with a CE2 cable end nut.
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)

KR> Throttle Cables

[Mark Jones]

Exactly, they come in different lengths so buy them about one foot longer
than you need and cut them to fit. Very easy installation.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html


- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" <c.midk...@verizon.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Throttle Cables


> Thanks Mark, I suppose with that type cable, you could buy the longer
cables
> and cut them to the length you need.
> Bud
>
> From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>
> > Bud,
> > For the throttle, I am using an A820-black friction lock with straight
> > wire
> > cable end. The cable end is attached to the carb arm using a WG-1 wire
> > grip.
> > The mixture control is a Vernier A790-red also using the WG-1 wire grip.
> > The
> > Carb heat control is a push pull A730-black and connects to the valve
arm
> > with a CE2 cable end nut.
> >
> > Mark Jones (N886MJ)
>
>
>
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