KR> Tail dragger to tri gear conversion
Diehl main gear legs for conventional and tri-gear configurations are NOT interchangeable. For the tri-gear you must use the tri-gear version. I have wasted a lot of time and money getting this interchangeable issue figured out. The metal castings that mount to the spar are interchangeable. Most likely you may be able to use some of the same original holes that were drilled in the spars. Those holes that you don't use, should be plugged with wooden dowel rods epoxied in place. Plugging the old holes helps restore structural integrity to the lumber and keeps moisture out. Coat the new holes with epoxy to keep out moisture also. I used pipe cleaners as a brush. You can make your own gear legs: Buy the blanks for a Grumman Cheetah from http://www.fletchair.com/catalog/section32.html Call them at 800 FA-WINGS (329-4647). The blanks are not listed in their catalog. The blanks are 1" thick; you will need to plane these down to 3/4" and then cut out the leg. I paid $34 for a pair plus shipping for mine. Don't have access to a bench planner; don't know the leg pattern? Then buy the legs from NV Aero http://www.nvaero.com/diehl-main-gear-legs-only/ Read the fine print at the NV Aero website on interchangeability. Sid Wood Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD, USA > >>1. Can this be done if I have a kit that is nearly complete and has TG >mains already installed? If so, how? >+ Complexity and cost will depend on the type of main gear already installed. If it is the Diehl main gear setup then you simply shift the main gear to the back side of the main spar and add the nose gear setup. If it is not the Diehl main gear setup then you may have to opt for the entire tri gear package. More info needed. Converting to tri gear is absolutely possible without airframe changes, it's just a matter of complexity and cost. Larry Flesner
KR> Tail dragger to tri gear conversion
E. Wrote (I found it. From my lack of experience I can only see that his front main is very different from the ones for sale at Navaero. Did you happen to notice whether or not would be adaptable for a KR2S?) No sorry I did not pay much attention to it so I could not say. If you or someone you know can weld anything is possible. Bob Boyd Frazeysburg Oh Sent from my iPhone
KR> Tail dragger to tri gear conversion
Bob, I found it. From my lack of experience I can only see that his front main is very different from the ones for sale at Navaero. Did you happen to notice whether or not would be adaptable for a KR2S? Best, E.
KR> Tail dragger to tri gear conversion
> E wrote"Many thanks. Do you recall what words he used to list his add?" I copied this from his add. It's still there as of now He used Search tags EAA Experimental Aircraft, Homebuilt, Airplane, Aircraft, Plane. Hope that helps Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 15, 2015, at 18:01, Evans Powell via KRnet > wrote: > > Bob, > > Many thanks. Do you recall what words he used to list his add? > > E. > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Bob Boyd via KRnet > wrote: > >> >> Check Craig's list for Columbus Ohio. The guy who just sold me some stuff >> has placed the landing gear including nose wheel wheels/tires brakes from >> the exp that he is parting out. Looks like a good deal. Could be wrong but >> I think he has it all listed for $500.00 >> He also has a complete spinner listed. >> Good luck >> Bob Boyd / Frazeysburg Oh >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Jul 15, 2015, at 16:56, Jeff Scott via KRnet >>> wrote: >>> >>> Nose Gear: >>> >>> http://www.nvaero.com/products/Diehl-Nose-Landing-Gear-Assembly.html >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >>> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >>> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >>> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to >> change options >> >> ___ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change >> options > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options
KR> Tail dragger to tri gear conversion
Check Craig's list for Columbus Ohio. The guy who just sold me some stuff has placed the landing gear including nose wheel wheels/tires brakes from the exp that he is parting out. Looks like a good deal. Could be wrong but I think he has it all listed for $500.00 He also has a complete spinner listed. Good luck Bob Boyd / Frazeysburg Oh Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 15, 2015, at 16:56, Jeff Scott via KRnet > wrote: > > Nose Gear: > > http://www.nvaero.com/products/Diehl-Nose-Landing-Gear-Assembly.html > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options
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Thank you Larry, I bought this with the Baer on and no history of the existing gear. Is there way to determine if this is a deihl setup? Best. E. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 15, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Flesner via KRnet > wrote: > > >> >> >> >> 1. Can this be done if I have a kit that is nearly complete and has TG >> mains already installed? If so, how? >> + > > > Complexity and cost will depend on the type of main gear already installed. > If it is the Diehl main gear setup then you simply shift the main gear to the > back side of the main spar and add the nose gear setup. If it is not the > Diehl main gear setup then you may have to opt for the entire tri gear > package. More info needed. Converting to tri gear is absolutely possible > without airframe changes, it's just a matter of complexity and cost. > > Larry Flesner > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options
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> > > >1. Can this be done if I have a kit that is nearly complete and has TG >mains already installed? If so, how? >+ Complexity and cost will depend on the type of main gear already installed. If it is the Diehl main gear setup then you simply shift the main gear to the back side of the main spar and add the nose gear setup. If it is not the Diehl main gear setup then you may have to opt for the entire tri gear package. More info needed. Converting to tri gear is absolutely possible without airframe changes, it's just a matter of complexity and cost. Larry Flesner
KR> Tail dragger to tri gear conversion
If it is Diehl gear, the mains will be composite & bolted to 2 big aluminum castings that attach to the spar. If it is Grove gear, the mains will be metal 'spring' legs like a Cessna. If it is Robinson-Rand gear, it will have these ginormous metal castings & will retract backwards into the wing. I am currently building a tri-gear KR2 with 'reversed' Diehl taildragger mains. It requires some SEVERE shimming to get the gear to track straight, but can be done. You buy the Diehl gear parts from www.nvaero.com On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Evans Powell via KRnet < krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > Thank you Larry, > > I bought this with the Baer on and no history of the existing gear. Is > there way to determine if this is a deihl setup? > > Best. > > E. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 15, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Flesner via KRnet > wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> 1. Can this be done if I have a kit that is nearly complete and has TG > >> mains already installed? If so, how? > >> + > > > > > > Complexity and cost will depend on the type of main gear already > installed. If it is the Diehl main gear setup then you simply shift the > main gear to the back side of the main spar and add the nose gear setup. > If it is not the Diehl main gear setup then you may have to opt for the > entire tri gear package. More info needed. Converting to tri gear is > absolutely possible without airframe changes, it's just a matter of > complexity and cost. > > > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > > > ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change options > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options >
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Bob, Many thanks. Do you recall what words he used to list his add? E. On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Bob Boyd via KRnet wrote: > > Check Craig's list for Columbus Ohio. The guy who just sold me some stuff > has placed the landing gear including nose wheel wheels/tires brakes from > the exp that he is parting out. Looks like a good deal. Could be wrong but > I think he has it all listed for $500.00 > He also has a complete spinner listed. > Good luck > Bob Boyd / Frazeysburg Oh > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 15, 2015, at 16:56, Jeff Scott via KRnet > wrote: > > > > Nose Gear: > > > > http://www.nvaero.com/products/Diehl-Nose-Landing-Gear-Assembly.html > > > > > > ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change options > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options >
KR> Tail dragger to tri gear conversion
Scott, Thank you. On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Jeff Scott via KRnet wrote: > Nose Gear: > > http://www.nvaero.com/products/Diehl-Nose-Landing-Gear-Assembly.html > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options >
KR> Tail dragger to tri gear conversion
Hello all, Before presenting my topic and questions, I will let you know I have searched the KR forum history regarding this subject and have found some relatable discussions however I am still left with a few looming questions. 1. Can this be done if I have a kit that is nearly complete and has TG mains already installed? If so, how? I believe the short answer is yes however I don't really know how or what to pay particular attention to. 2. How do I find/build the nose gear? I have seen other chatting about a Diehl front nose gear but haven't been able to find anything online for purchase. Diehl site 'under construction." The reasons I would like to make the gear change are: I don't have a tail dragger endorsement and the ability and prices to get one here in COS are limited and out of my price range (starting at $1500 and just keep going from there on how long). I am hoping a conversion to tri-gear would be comparable in cost or maybe even less than getting the TG endorsement. Please don't take this as me not wanting a TG endorsement. I do. I just can't justify the cost at this point and it is holding me back. I would love to hear from any of you on the pros and cons on making such a conversion. More importantly, if this is doable I would love hear from those who have done or simply know how to do this as well as where I can find the parts to do so. Thank you in advance for any knowledge you are willing to share. Respectfully, E.
KR> tail dragger
Not everyone needs a training wheel ;) Cheers. Pete. Mark Jones wrote: > Jeeze Dan, just because you have a taildragger. Maybe he wants to be in the > click. You know, us guys who have a real airplane, not a toy. :-)
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-Original Message- >Can a tail dragger KR2 be changed to a trike? >From: "Dan Heath" >Sure, but why would a person want to do that? Jeeze Dan, just because you have a taildragger. Maybe he wants to be in the click. You know, us guys who have a real airplane, not a toy. :-) Mark Jones (N886MJ) Could be MJ got everything backward, maybe he's flying the wrong direction. Look out deer!!! Mike Turner Edgewood NM, USA ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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Roy is going to have my new Vair with the front bearing, at the CC next month, for a run on the test stand. But, I will have to drive this toy around for a while longer, till I can get that new engine in her. Can I be in the click, then? Hey guys, my toy now has wheel pants, well at least in the Cleco version. I will have pics on the site soon. I just have to get some rivets and blind nuts to finish it off. Once I decided that the pants I was trying to install were not going to work, to my satisfaction, I tried two other sets and the ones off the Black Bird, fit perfectly. Then I used the Dan Diehl leg to pant fairing, and the rest was a breeze. I have messed around with this for many hours, and with some good advice from Dan, they were all fitted within 3 hours, using NO brackets. However, I may still put one on for peace of mind, but Dan said that he flew his for years with no brackets. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you at the 2010 - KR Gathering in Richmond, Ky - I39 There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying has begun. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -Original Message- From: krnet-bounces+danrh=windstream@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+danrh=windstream@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Mark Jones Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 9:11 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> tail dragger -Original Message- >Can a tail dragger KR2 be changed to a trike? >From: "Dan Heath" >Sure, but why would a person want to do that? Jeeze Dan, just because you have a taildragger. Maybe he wants to be in the click. You know, us guys who have a real airplane, not a toy. :-) Mark Jones (N886MJ) Stevens Point, WI E-mail: flyk...@charter.net Web: www.flykr2s.com
KR> tail dragger
-Original Message- >Can a tail dragger KR2 be changed to a trike? >From: "Dan Heath" >Sure, but why would a person want to do that? Jeeze Dan, just because you have a taildragger. Maybe he wants to be in the click. You know, us guys who have a real airplane, not a toy. :-) Mark Jones (N886MJ) Stevens Point, WI E-mail: flyk...@charter.net Web: www.flykr2s.com
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Sure, but why would a person want to do that? See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you at the 2010 - KR Gathering in Richmond, Ky - I39 There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying has begun. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -Original Message- Can a tail dragger KR2 be changed to a trike?
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Yes they can. It's not fun, easy, or quick but I have done it. Gene Essman N15GE Tri gear, Corvair/w 5th brg powered KR2 - Original Message - From: "Larry and Gladys Fanny" <lg...@mchsi.com> To: <kr...@mylist.net> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:14 PM Subject: KR> tail dragger Can a tail dragger KR2 be changed to a trike? ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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Can a tail dragger KR2 be changed to a trike?
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There seems to have developed a mystic about flying a tail dragger. The truth of the matter is really that the moment the tail is up and the tail wheel leaves the ground, you are flying an airplane and it matters not where your wheels are, front or back. I believe that you will learn during your taxi tests how to handle a tail wheeler.Read up on the subject. You will soon find that if you want good steering control you had better keep the stick well back to plant the tail wheel firmly on the runway. The application of rudder especially at higher speeds is different from that of a tricycle. You must watch very carefully for any change in direction and immediately reply with opposite rudder. I think it is here at this moment that one learns the difference in technique between the two types of geer. I tend to give a quick slap on the opposite rudder and immediately return to center.The "slap" is quite a large movement of the rudder pedal. You quickly learn how far and how long to hold the rudder deflection to keep the nose going straight down the runway. Some people suggest it looks like you are dancing on the rudder pedals. Start with slow taxi. learn how to apply differential braking for tight turns.Keep that stick back at all times.Learn how to "snake" your way down the taxiway so that you can see what is in front of you. Do higher speed taxi tests but keep the speed slow enough that you are not going to suddenly fly. Do a number of high speed taxi runs with the tail up, cut the power, gradually get the tail on the ground and hold it there with back stick. Finally on one of these high speed runs you will be up and off. It is at this moment that you realize that you are back to just plane flying an airplane. The fun will begin again when you decide to land. If you have memorized the attitude of the plane while taxiing, you have only to put it into the same position just over the runway and chop the power . As soon as the tailwheel is firmly planted, you are back to a high speed taxi test. All of this sounds simple but if you choose to do it under good wind conditions you should not have too much of a problem. Learning cross wind landings and all of the fancier things will come later after you are comfortable with the high speed taxi tests. So what if you spend 6 or 8 hours on the ground learning to precisely control the plane under all these "ground " conditions. This is part of the fun. There will probably be others that are going to take other view of this scenario, listen to them too. Check out the legals for your plane and for your country. Do what you feal is right for you.Ask for advice from all the taildragger pilots that you meet. Good luck. Harold Woods Orillia.ON.Canada haroldwo...@rogers.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/2003
