KR> Fly In/ engine run

[Paul Visk]

This Sunday morning. ?I'm taking my KR-2S down to Columbia Il. ?Sackmen field 
H49 for it's first on airplane engine run (I hope).??If anyone in the St Louis 
area or any one else would like to come over or fly in to see a few flying 
KR-2's. ?Join Mark L., Larry, Mark S. and my self for I hope a productive and 
fun day. ?
Paul ViskBelleville Il618 406 4705?



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KR> Fly in Sat.

[bjoenunley]

Copper state is a good fly in. ?Wish we could be there this year. ?Send 
pictures if you can.


Joe Nunley?CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor?Baker Florida?

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Date: 10/23/2015  9:28 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
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Subject: Re: KR> Fly in Sat. 

I'm currently at the swrfi "Copperstate" at Casa Grande, AZ, but left the KR at 
home in favor of the SuperCub this weekend. 

-Jeff Scott


Serfi ( Southeastern Regional Fly In ) Tomorrow in Evergreen Alabama. The 
weather is looking good and if your in the southeast, it's an easy day trip for 
a fast flying KR. See Ya there.

Mike Sylvester 
kr2s builder 
Birmingham,AL.

Cell no.205-966-3854?   ??

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KR> Fly in Sat.

[Mike Sylvester]

Serfi ( Southeastern Regional Fly In ) Tomorrow in Evergreen Alabama. The 
weather is looking good and if your in the southeast, it's an easy day trip for 
a fast flying KR. See Ya there.

Mike Sylvester 
kr2s builder 
Birmingham,AL.

Cell no.205-966-3854  

KR> Kr Fly Inn Gathering 2015

[Greg Skidgel]

Hello, I was wondering if the fly inn Pre-Registration and the Schedule was 
going to be updated soon.I was most curious about the Fly-Inn-Schedule.? Thank 
You

KR> Fly in BBQ Marion KS

[Robert7721 at aol.com]

Reminder, weekend flying opportunity in Kansas this coming Saturday.


In a message dated 8/4/2013 8:49:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
Robert7721 at aol.com writes:

Terry Chezik will be having his annual Fish Fry/BBQ on  Saturday Aug 17th 
at Marion Airport. Start time is approx 5-6 pm for the  food. Fun starts 
before then. Several planes fly into this event  from around the KS and MO area 
each year. Hope to see a few KR  pilots.  
Thanks,

Rob Schmitt
N1852Z
_www.robert7721.com_ (http://www.robert7721.com/) 

MARION MUNI (43K)
N38 20, W096 59

MARION, KS 

Runway Length:  2745
Elevation: 1390
Magnetic Variation: 7  E 

KR> Fly In

[Joe. E. Wallace]

Dan

This was the Sport Aviation Ass'n and was held at Frasca Field in Urbana IL.  
It has become a non organization now, however, the fly-in was held last year 
and has been one of the best ones I've ever attended.  No vendors allowed..  
camping on the ground, meals available and the hosts are unbelievable?  Tony 
Frasca and his family tour through their facilities and museum of many 
airplanes?  I will look up the dates and send a flyer from last year if I can 
find it?   jw
Joe. E. Wallace
jwallace...@gmail.com



On Jan 14, 2012, at 4:50 PM, Dan Heath wrote:

> Does anyone remember the fly-in that Paul Poberezney was involved with for a
> few years after his retirement?  I understand that it has continued on after
> he stopped being active in it.  I emailed the person in charge, last year,
> but can't remember who it was and have not heard anymore from them.
> 
> 
> 
> Does anyone know when it usually is held, or how to get in contact with
> them?
> 
> 
> 
> See N64KR at   http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
> the pics 
> 
> See you at the 2012 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN - 40th
> Anniversary
> 
> There is a time for building and it is over.
> 
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
> 
> 
> 
> 
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KR> Fly In

[Ed Janssen]

Dan,

Yes, Paul Poberezny started the SAA (Sport Aviation Association) sometime 
around 1999, I think, and published a magazine called "To Fly".   His 
friend, Rudy Frasca, close friend of Poberezny's, offered his airport, 
Frasca Field, Urbana, IL, to hold Fly-Ins for the organization, a 
grass-roots aviation event.  The organization didn't last but a few years, 
perhaps due to inadequate funding.  Even though SAA folded, Rudy offered to 
continue having a fly-in around the 2nd weekend in June.  He (actually his 
son) has continued to send letters of invitation to former members each year 
since.  Last year, I believe, it was held June 11th and 12th.  Rudy has a 
very interesting small museum of airplanes, engines, etc. on the field as 
well as a modern factory that makes simulators.  He usually offers tours of 
the factory during the Fly-In.  One year Mark Langford and Mark Jones flew 
their KRs to the fly-in and gave a short seminar on KR building.  William 
Wynne was also there at least one year to give a seminar on Corvair engines.

Ed Janssen

-Original Message- 
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To: 'KRnet'
Subject: KR> Fly In

Does anyone remember the fly-in that Paul Poberezney was involved with for a
few years after his retirement 

KR> Fly In

[Virgil N. Salisbury]

Sport Aviation Association, Rudy Frasca feild, Virg


On 1/14/2012 5:50 PM, Dan Heath wrote:
> Does anyone remember the fly-in that Paul Poberezney was involved with for a
> few years after his retirement?  I understand that it has continued on after
> he stopped being active in it.  I emailed the person in charge, last year,
> but can't remember who it was and have not heard anymore from them.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know when it usually is held, or how to get in contact with
> them?
>
>
>
> See N64KR at  http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
> the pics
>
> See you at the 2012 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN - 40th
> Anniversary
>
> There is a time for building and it is over.
>
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
>
>
>
>
>
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KR> Fly In

[Brant Hollensbe]

Hi Dan

For a few years, Paul Poverezney attempted to start a grass roots aviation
organization that had an annual flying.
The fly in was hosted by Rudy Frasca at his private airfield aptly named
Frasca Field near Urbana Illinois.  Rudy Frasca owns Frasca International,
which makes Full Flight Simulators



 

KR> Fly In

[Larry Flesner]

At 04:50 PM 1/14/2012, you wrote:
>Does anyone remember the fly-in that Paul Poberezney was involved with for a
>few years after his retirement?


I'm guessing you are talking about the fly-in at Frasca Field at 
Champaign, Illinois.  Langford and I flew up there several years 
ago.  Don't know if they are still having it or not but seems like it 
was in the month of June or there about.  You might contact someone 
at Frasca Field for more info.

Larry Flesner

KR> Fly In

[Dan Heath]

Does anyone remember the fly-in that Paul Poberezney was involved with for a
few years after his retirement?  I understand that it has continued on after
he stopped being active in it.  I emailed the person in charge, last year,
but can't remember who it was and have not heard anymore from them.



Does anyone know when it usually is held, or how to get in contact with
them?



See N64KR at   http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
the pics 

See you at the 2012 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN - 40th
Anniversary

There is a time for building and it is over.

Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

KR> Fly your KR

[Mike Sylvester]

I sent this to the net a few days ago and it never came back, I'm sending it 
again. Sorry if you get it twice.
Hey Guys, If your needing a flyin destination this weekend ? SERFI is this 
weekend in Evergreen Al. A great place to be Saturday. Our Birmingham EAA 
Chapter will be working it again this year. See ya there.

Mike Sylvester 
kr2s builder 
Birmingham,AL.

Cell no.205-966-3854  

KR> Fly your KR

[Mike Sylvester]

Hey Guys, If your needing a destination this weekend ? SERFI is this weekend in 
Evergreen Al. A great place to be Saturday. Our Birmingham EAA Chapter will be 
working it again this year. See ya there.

Mike Sylvester 
kr2s builder 
Birmingham,AL.

Cell no.205-966-3854  

KR> Fly-in> LEE BOTTOM Flying Field, Hanover, IN

[Tim]

Pictures of the field up at Barnstormers in Experimental Category

LEE BOTTOM FLYING FIELD FLY-IN . EVENT ANNOUNCEMENT . YOU'RE INVITED! . Where 
will you be on September 24th? If you're looking for an old fashioned easy 
going fly-in to attend, then you'll be at Lee Bottom. All aircraft and most 
people welcome. Visit for a day or the weekend. Bring something new or old. 
Invite a friend or twenty. We rarely advertise so, if you've never heard of 
this event, take time now to find out what you've been missing. . VISIT MY 
WEBSITE . Contact Rich Davidson - LEE BOTTOM FLYING FIELD, Event Coordinator - 
located Hanover, IN USA . Telephone: 812-866-3211



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KR> KR fly in and Fish Fry

[robert7...@aol.com]

Reminder,

Terry Chezik is having his annual fish fry and fly-in Saturday 20 August. 

The fun and food starts at 5:30 pm at Marion Kansas, 43K. 

There will be at least 2 KR's there. I'll be there and usually there is a  
pretty good crowd.  

Thanks,

Rob Schmitt
N1852Z

KR> fly in

[Terry Chizek]

> fly in at marion ks { 43k}  fish fry sat August 20th eat at 5:30 pm
> campout  terry chizek  t...@toast.net

KR> fly in

[Terry Chizek]

 fly in at marion ks { 43k}  fish fry sat August 20th eat at 5:30 pm

 campout  terry chizek  t...@toast.net

 ps got  my kr2 flying and Rob  planing on flying his kr2 down from KC

KR> fly in

[Terry Chizek]

KR> Fly-in July 9

[Douglas Cooke]

Hello KR netters!
Anyone going to the Fly-in at Barber Airport July 9th, please stop by Jefferson 
County Airpark (2G2) 47 mi SE for EAA Chapter 859's annual Pancake Breakfast 
Fly-in.  It is held the weekend after July 4th every year, 0700-1300.
We have several members building aircraft, including a VP1, Sonex, Escapade, 
Witchawk, and a Corvair powered KR2S.  The chapter itself is "restoring" a VP1 
originally from California.
Oh, and we have 100LL and 90 octane ethanol-free mogas!
It would be great to see some of the "KRnetters" there!

Doug Cooke

KR> Fly by wire

[Andy Mckevitz]

I remember a mirage pilot say that the mirage was the last real jet fighter 
because he could feel the stress during maneuvers and was more than honored to 
fly it [then compared it to the F-16].  He shared a love flying that plane.  
Given history, I like the wire controls.  Hydraulics and electronics are 
necessary in some circumstances.   What are those circumstances here? 
[rhetorical]

KR> Fly By Wire

[jmelvin...@aol.com]

Also,

Watch out for EMI. Back when the UH-60 was introduced it suffered many  
fatal crashes for no apparent reason. The Army was about to cancel the contract 
 when an investigator saw a hardover condition occur on the ground. Turned 
out to  be a shot from a radar tower. The others were near radar or high 
power radio  towers. The system was EMI hardened and problems stopped. 

John in El Paso


In a message dated 11/3/2010 2:19:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
jose.fuen...@gmail.com writes:

Yep  thats how I feel, as well, thats why it's augmentation, not  
replacement

LOL its no different then an auto pilot but you are telling  the autopilot 
to
move left or right or up or down or whatever. though you  can turn off the
auto pilot and take control of the "REAL" stick. And yep,  I thought about
sudden crazy servo's and hence why it has an off switch for  the system.

Joe


> (certainly not without triple  redundancy anyway)
>
> --
> Glenn Martin (N5PQ)
> KR2  N1333A
> Martek Mississippi Electronic Repair
> 13238 Hudson-Krohn  Rd.
> Biloxi, MS, 39532
>  rep...@martekmississippi.com
>
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KR> Fly By Wire

[Jose Fuentes]

 Yep thats how I feel, as well, thats why it's augmentation, not replacement

LOL its no different then an auto pilot but you are telling the autopilot to
move left or right or up or down or whatever. though you can turn off the
auto pilot and take control of the "REAL" stick. And yep, I thought about
sudden crazy servo's and hence why it has an off switch for the system.

Joe


> (certainly not without triple redundancy anyway)
>
> --
> Glenn Martin (N5PQ)
> KR2 N1333A
> Martek Mississippi Electronic Repair
> 13238 Hudson-Krohn Rd.
> Biloxi, MS, 39532
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KR> Fly By Wire

[Glenn Martin]

I work on electronic equipment 8 hours a day 5 days a week or more. 
After 38 years of PROFESSIONAL electronic repair work I can say this: 
THERE IS NO WAY ON GODS GREEN EARTH THAT I AM GOING TO TRUST MY LIFE TO 
AN ELECTRICAL CONNECTION BETWEEN MYSELF AND THE CONTROL SURFACES 
(certainly not without triple redundancy anyway)

-- 
Glenn Martin (N5PQ)
KR2 N1333A
Martek Mississippi Electronic Repair
13238 Hudson-Krohn Rd.
Biloxi, MS, 39532
rep...@martekmississippi.com

KR> Fly By Wire

[Jose Fuentes]

Yes, but that was YEARS ago and electronics have gone a long ways. Plus
those were 100% FBW I'm talking about augmentation. which in reality is only
an auto pilot taking to the next level.

Anyways sky diving is so scary I don't know if I can do that.

Joe

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 3:38 PM, John Caudle  wrote:

> Hi Jose,
>
>  Maybe you should work on an ejection seat/system first.
> The USAF killed a few pilots before they got the FBW working
> on the F-16.  Good luck with the project!  I hope you get it
> working with out it killing you in the process!
>
> Gods Speed,
>
> J.E. Caudle
>
> Fenwick, WV
>
> 363TB (On the Bench)
>
>
>
>
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KR> Fly By Wire

[John Caudle]

Hi Jose,

 Maybe you should work on an ejection seat/system first.
The USAF killed a few pilots before they got the FBW working
on the F-16.  Good luck with the project!  I hope you get it
working with out it killing you in the process!

Gods Speed,

J.E. Caudle

Fenwick, WV

363TB (On the Bench)

KR> Fly By Wire

[Tony King]

Jose,

I've been watching the progress of your BD4 on the BD4 forum - I'm building
a BD4C myself, although I haven't gotten nearly as far yet as you.  Welcome
to the KR list - the most useful aircraft builders list I've come across.
As Dave Goodman said, more power to you if you can get FBW to work.  Don't
forget loss of power is only one of the failure modes that has to be
contemplated and accommodated.  Runaway servos is another, with pretty
significant implications for an aircraft in flight.

Good luck.

Tony King
Queensland Australia

On 4 November 2010 03:07, Jose Fuentes  wrote:

> Thanks,
>
> Actually as a small bit I'm using the onboard computer to control flaps and
> trim. I have a load pressure sensor on the stick to tell how much back
> pressure the stick has to adjust by a click on the screen the trim tab.
> These are two areas I felt comfortable using FBW tech until I did more
> since
> one could land without the flaps and fly without the trim if something goes
> wrong.
>
>

KR> Fly By Wire

[twarner]

Oh don't get me wrong. I'm all for experiments and upgrades. The
improvements Mark has done are based on sound aerodynamic principals and
practices. All of us have looked at many KR's that the builder tried to
improve so much that they were never completed or flown. In some cases this
most likely saved the builders life... ;) I just think that if one wants to
experiment with fly by wire, then do it on an aircraft that is very stable
to begin with and can support the weight of all pilots and test equipment
needed. I always felt that I would be able to break my KR-1 with elevator
input by pulling to hard (and not that much pull at that). Was not worried
about wing spar failure it was the horizontal tail itself that I thought
would depart. I keep seeing a system failure that drives the airplane to the
breaking point before the test pilot had time to react.

My thoughts for what it's worth.   

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of David Goodman
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 12:57 PM
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: RE: KR> Fly By Wire



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KR> Fly By Wire

[Jose Fuentes]

Thanks,

Actually as a small bit I'm using the onboard computer to control flaps and
trim. I have a load pressure sensor on the stick to tell how much back
pressure the stick has to adjust by a click on the screen the trim tab.
These are two areas I felt comfortable using FBW tech until I did more since
one could land without the flaps and fly without the trim if something goes
wrong.

Joe

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 12:56 PM, David Goodman <
dgood...@verticalavionics.com> wrote:

> Terry wrote:
>
> The KR is so light and delightful on the controls now; it's hard to imagine
> making it better.
>
> Terry,
>
> I agree and disagree.
>
> It would be a lot of work, but look at how much work ML put into his plane.
> While we certainly all benefitted from his efforts, if the goal was to just
> build a plane to fly many would look at his focus as a builder as overkill.
> The same could be said for Dr Dean's hinges, or the new airfoil, or many
> other improvements over the original KR-series designs that all of us take
> (almost) for granted today.  Thankfully there are those out there who have
> that passion to make that better mousetrap.
>
> Who of us is to say Jose does not come out with something truly spectacular
> that boosts the roll rate or slow flying characteristics, or even better,
> dampens the pitch responsiveness in certain situations.  Ten years from now
> we may all be wanting Jose's FBW, just like all the other improvements we
> now enjoy.
>
> More power to the experimenter!
>
> IHS,
>
> Dave "Zipper" Goodman
> Vertical Avionics, Inc.
> www.verticalavionics.com
>
>
>
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KR> Fly By Wire

[David Goodman]

Terry wrote:

The KR is so light and delightful on the controls now; it's hard to imagine
making it better.

Terry,

I agree and disagree.  

It would be a lot of work, but look at how much work ML put into his plane.
While we certainly all benefitted from his efforts, if the goal was to just
build a plane to fly many would look at his focus as a builder as overkill.
The same could be said for Dr Dean's hinges, or the new airfoil, or many
other improvements over the original KR-series designs that all of us take
(almost) for granted today.  Thankfully there are those out there who have
that passion to make that better mousetrap.

Who of us is to say Jose does not come out with something truly spectacular
that boosts the roll rate or slow flying characteristics, or even better,
dampens the pitch responsiveness in certain situations.  Ten years from now
we may all be wanting Jose's FBW, just like all the other improvements we
now enjoy.

More power to the experimenter!

IHS,

Dave "Zipper" Goodman
Vertical Avionics, Inc.
www.verticalavionics.com

KR> Fly By Wire

[Jose Fuentes]

Thanks, that is the reason for the quck connect of the control stick, and
using actulators in combonation with manual control so one can switch easy
enough and the use of the special actulators that won't lock in the controls
on power failure.

This solves two problem as it's not 100% dependant on the FBW and can be
over ridden, the airbus system was only designed to do FBW 100% and hence
some of it's issues.

I'm a technology guy, I build and work on large enterprise systems and work
for a fortune 100 company, so it apeals to my sense of adventure to want to
see how I can control the plane. It's small and very controlable I think the
KR2 would be a great example. I've even thought how cool it would be to make
it fly remotely using the same system (of course over a non-populated area)
with a camrea.

Though I'm not crazy hence not a replacement of the controls for FBW but an
augmentation of the controls by FBW with the manual controls still there.

I would also be able to link it and program a custom auto pilot for alot
cheaper then what they sell for. I plan to use PC Avonics in both planes, so
I can hook everthing up to the onboard computer and it can control the plane
via it's own Auto pilot routines the designer already has in place, I talk
with TOD the main designer of the software from time to time.

Joe

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:27 AM, David Goodman <
dgood...@verticalavionics.com> wrote:

> Jose wrote:
>
> I had been thinking about a fly by wire design, I had posted this on my
> other forum I'm a member of, but too many of them are "BUILD IT to PLANS!!"
> type, I like to change things for the better.
>
> Jose,
>
> I applaud your motivation and enthusiasm!  This sounds like a tremendous
> amount of work for little return, but if you are charged up about it, go
> forth and slay dragons.  The Wright Brothers did and look what happen with
> their ideas.
>
> Two words of caution.  First, have a back-up that is instantaneous and
> failsafe.  Second, your FBW is guaranteed to fail at the worst possible
> times; if you plan for it and expect it you may be able to eliminate the
> risk involved.
>
> Airbus still had not perfected their FBW in the 319/320 and 330/340 series
> aircraft even after ten years of the planes flying passengers!  One of the
> unfortunate realities of being trained as an aviation mishap investigator
> is
> learning a lot of behind the scenes info that the public is not allowed to
> know.  My family never flies in these aircraft, ever.  I hope you efforts
> are worthwhile and work!  Good luck to you!
>
> IHS,
>
> David "Zipper" Goodman
> Vertical Avionics, Inc.
> www.verticalavionics.com
>
>
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KR> Fly By Wire

[twarner]

I guess I'm in build it to plans camp in this case. The KR is so light and
delightful on the controls now; it's hard to imagine making it better. All
this will do is add weight that it does not need, complexity that is does
not need. You get the picture. Now adding a Tru Trak or similar, that I
could see.

Just my opinion as the new guy on the block, however I do have 300 or so
hours in a KR-1 to base this opinion on. 

Fly and have fun!

Terry

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Jose Fuentes
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 11:02 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Fly By Wire

Hi everyone,

I had been thinking about a fly by wire design, I had posted this on my
other forum I'm a member of, but too many of them are "BUILD IT to PLANS!!"
type, I like to change things for the better.

KR> Fly By Wire

[David Goodman]

Jose wrote:

I had been thinking about a fly by wire design, I had posted this on my
other forum I'm a member of, but too many of them are "BUILD IT to PLANS!!"
type, I like to change things for the better.

Jose,

I applaud your motivation and enthusiasm!  This sounds like a tremendous
amount of work for little return, but if you are charged up about it, go
forth and slay dragons.  The Wright Brothers did and look what happen with
their ideas.

Two words of caution.  First, have a back-up that is instantaneous and
failsafe.  Second, your FBW is guaranteed to fail at the worst possible
times; if you plan for it and expect it you may be able to eliminate the
risk involved.

Airbus still had not perfected their FBW in the 319/320 and 330/340 series
aircraft even after ten years of the planes flying passengers!  One of the
unfortunate realities of being trained as an aviation mishap investigator is
learning a lot of behind the scenes info that the public is not allowed to
know.  My family never flies in these aircraft, ever.  I hope you efforts
are worthwhile and work!  Good luck to you!

IHS,

David "Zipper" Goodman
Vertical Avionics, Inc.
www.verticalavionics.com

KR> Fly By Wire

[Jose Fuentes]

Hi everyone,

I had been thinking about a fly by wire design, I had posted this on my
other forum I'm a member of, but too many of them are "BUILD IT to PLANS!!"
type, I like to change things for the better.

I'm thinking one of the changes I could do to the KR I'm planning on getting
is to figure out how to do fly by wire, I'm thinking of a full feature Servo
that can go in several directions along with one for the rudder. I had
originally thought about using liner actuators but if power goes off there
is no way to dis-engage them to take over manually.

I've found a magnetic driven actuator that moves the rod based on power
applied, when no power applied it moves freely. Has anyone had any
experience with this? They are a bit costly and seem heavy and would need 3
of them.

This of course would be hooked up to a computer since each unit would have a
built in POT so I can track exactly how much it moved, the joy stick would
then provide the computer with how much I want to move in either direction
which would then control the actuators.

I would also wan tto make the manual stick be able to fold down or
disconnect but have a quick way to shove it on a nub or hole and boom have a
quick connect for when I have to take manual control.

thoughts?

Joe

-- 
Jose Fuentes
Founding Father (one of and former Vice Prez) of Capital City.NET User's
Group
Former Microsoft MVP
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KR> fly in.

[MICHAEL SYLVESTER]

Hey Guys, will be taking a break from building this weekend to attend SERFI 
(South East Regional Fly In.) This fly in is in Evergreen Al.. Our EAA chapter 
152 helps with the aircraft judging so I'll be there all weekend. If you are 
looking for a place to fly to Saturday,  we would love to have you drop in. 
www.serfi.org  

Mike Sylvester 
kr2s builder 
Birmingham,AL.

Cell no.205-966-3854

CorvAircraft> Fwd: KR> fly-in

[jack.cooper2009]

Oops, I forgot to say what day. Flyin day is Saturday May 22nd.  Early arrivers 
come on Friday 21st 
Jack 



A reminder that the KR and Corvair flyin is less than a month away.  This is 
another opportunity to get together with old friends whom we see only one or 
two times a year and to meet some new friends.  There is no agenda, just get 
together and have fun talking and looking at airplanes. The flyin will be at 
(04tn) Hensley Airpark in beautiful East Tennessee. If you are flying in f rom 
a great distance and want to make a weekend of it come on Friday and stay until 
Sunday. I have some extra room to put some guest up or can provide 
transportation to a local motel. A hamburger/hotdog lunch will be served on 
Saturday, if coming early and staying late you will not go hungry. For flying 
and driving directions see http://www.hensleyairpark.com/directions.htm . or 
give me a call at 423-278-8617. If you would like to bring your wife, my wife 
will escort the ladies on a tour of historic Greeneville TN. 

If you are planning on coming please let me know by emailing me at 
kr2coo...@comcast.net .  I would like to know what day you are flying in on and 
how many in your party. 

Jack Cooper 

Chuckey TN. 


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KR> fly-in

[jack.cooper2009]

A reminder that the KR and Corvair flyin is less than a month away.  This is 
another opportunity to get together with old friends whom we see only one or 
two times a year and to meet some new friends.  There is no agenda, just get 
together and have fun talking and looking at airplanes. The flyin will be at 
(04tn) Hensley Airpark in beautiful East Tennessee. If you are flying in f rom 
a great distance and want to make a weekend of it come on Friday and stay until 
Sunday. I have some extra room to put some guest up or can provide 
transportation to a local motel. A hambur ger/hotdog lunch will be served on 
Saturday, if coming early and staying late you will not go hungry. For flying 
and driving directions see http://www.hensleyairpark.com/directions.htm . or 
give me a call at 423-278-8617. If you would like to bring your wife, my wife 
will excort the ladies on a tour of historic Greeneville TN. 

If you are planning on coming please let me know by emailing me at 
kr2coo...@comcast.net .  I would like to know what day you are flying in on and 
how many in your party. 

Jack Cooper 

Chuckey TN. 

KR> Fly-in

[jack.cooper2009]

I have had questions about motels, camping and meals so here goes. There are 
motels in Greeneville , I haven't checked their rates yet but you can check on 
line. I will provide transportation to motels for those who fly in. As for 
camping you can use the back yard and the vacant lot next to me, also the 
hangar and basement. I also have two spare bedrooms and two couches and a gas 
grill on the deck. There is a small 1/2 bath in the hangar. I plan to keep the 
meals simple, burgers and hot dogs, spaghetti , etc. We may even go to the 
Farmers Daughter Restaurant for a evening meal, I think Mark Langford and Joe 
Horton would give it a good recommendation .  I will be asking for volunteers 
to help prepare meals. If you would like to bring your wife, Sandy (my wife) 
will be glad to escort the ladies on a historic tour of Greeneville , home of 
Pres. Andrew Johnson and Jonesboro , Tennessee's oldest city. Another historic 
attraction can be seen on the downwind leg to rwy 19, Davy Crockett birth place 
State Park. Pigeon Forge and Gatlinburg are only about 1 and 1.5 hr. drive from 
here. Fly in and drive in on Friday May 21 and Saturday  the 22. Stay until 
Sunday. 
Jack Cooper

KR> Fly-ins and more

[Jeff Scott]

Glad to hear others are out making the local Fly Ins in the KRs.  Two Fly Ins 
coming up in the West.  Ruidoso, NM Oct 17 and Copperstate in Casa Grande, AZ 
Oct 23 - 24.  Weather permitting, I plan to have my KR at both.

-Jeff Scott
N1213W  

-- Original Message --

This weekend was a lot of fun.   Being that my KR is still down for interior 
overhaul and annual inspection I flew out to the annual Thomasville fly-in in a 
KR2S that belongs to Todd Theilin.  

Bill Clapp - Aeromax Aviation Manager



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KR> Fly-in, Tomorrow, 5-19 Rio Linda, Ca.

[The Walton's]

I sent this message last week but it didn't make it to the net.  Good talking
with Don Lively though.  


> Any of my Northern California KR brothers or sisters flying into Rio 
Linda
for
> the Sonex Fly-in Saturday, 5-20?  I'm hoping to touch a real live, and 
flying
KR
> to get my excitement regenerated to continue building.  
> 
> www.sonexaircraft.com/builders/builderevents.html
> 
> Bill

KR> "fly-off" period after engine change

[Mark Langford]

NetHeads,  

A few weeks ago we had a discussion (maybe more of a debate) on what paperwork 
was required after putting a new engine in an experimental plane, like I did 
last weekend.  I'm not sure that we ever answered it definitively.  This week I 
called the FSDO and asked them, and although it took him a while to come up 
with an answer (he had to call me back), he told me to abide by my operational 
limitations provided at the time my airworthiness certificate was awarded.  
Since they are all the same (at least in Alabama), he read it to me over the 
phone and offered his clarification.  Here's what paragraph19 says:

"After incorporating a major change as described in FAR 21.93, the aircraft 
owner is required to re-establish compliance with FAR 91.319(b) and notify the 
geographically responsible FSDO of the location of the proposed test area.  The 
aircraft owner must obtain concurrence from the FSDO as to the suitability of 
the proposed test area.  If the major change includes installing a different 
make and model of engine or propeller, the aircraft owner must fill out a 
revised Form 8130--6 to update the aircraft's file in the FAA Aircraft 
Registry.  All operations must be conducted under day VFR conditions in a 
sparsely populated area.  The aircraft must remain in flight test for a minimum 
of 5 hours or for the time the FSDO assigns. [I would assume that it would be 
prudent to call the FSDO and verify that they concur with 5 hours].  Persons 
non-essential to the flight must not be carried.  The aircraft owner must make 
a detailed logbook entry  describing the change before the test flight.  
Following satisfactory completion of the required number of flight hours in the 
flight test area, the pilot must certify in the records that the aircraft has 
shown to comply with FAR 91.319(b).  Compliance with 91.319(b) must be recorded 
in the aircraft records with the following or similarly worded statement: "I 
certify that the prescribed flight test hours have been completed and the 
aircraft is controllable throughout its normal range of speeds and throughout 
all maneuvers to be executed, has no hazardous characteristics or design 
features, and is safe for operation.  The following aircraft operating data has 
been demonstrated during the flight testing:  speeds Vso___, Vx, and 
Vy, and the weight and CG location at which they were obtained."

---

He made it clear that unless I was changing the engine make or model, I was not 
making a "major change", and that I would not have to file any paperwork, just 
make the two logbook endorsements mentioned above.  This is what I did last 
time around as well.  It's good to know that I haven't voided my airworthiness 
certificate along the way.

Just for kicks I called my DAR for his take on it (and the FSDO recommended 
that he was really the "expert" on the subject anyway).  He said the newest 
version of operating limitations call a major change "conversion from piston to 
turbine engine", and doesn't even mention make, model, or propeller.  He also 
said all I needed to do was note the change in my log book and go flying, 
although it would be smart to stay within gliding distance of an airport for a 
little while.  He also said a prop swap is only a logbook entry, not involving 
a test area.

This form may be different for different FSDO's but it would be interesting how 
it compares with the operating limitations that others were given.  My guess is 
that they are all the same, but the FSDO's and DAR's interpretations may vary 
widely, so check with them if there's any question...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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KR> "fly-off" period after engine change

[Larry Flesner]

>
>"After incorporating a major change as described in FAR 21.93, the 
>aircraft owner is required to re-establish compliance with FAR 
>91.319(b) and notify the geographically responsible FSDO of the 
>location of the proposed test area.  The aircraft owner must obtain 
>concurrence from the FSDO as to the suitability of the proposed test area.
>(SNIP)
>He made it clear that unless I was changing the engine make or 
>model, I was not making a "major change", and that I would not have 
>to file any paperwork, just make the two logbook endorsements mentioned above.
>Mark Langford



So, I'm wondering, if you didn't change engine make and model, and 
according to the FSDO
person didn't make a major change, why does he say it has to go back 
through a test period?
Seems to me a simple log entry as to the engine change would suffice 
and go fly.  I suspect that there are no two people in the FSDO/s or 
DAR's that will interpret the reg's the same.
Too much gobbledy gook and wiggle room in that ton of paper they call 
the FAR's.
The only time it will matter anyway is if you have an accident and 
then they already have you
by the "gonads" anyway.  :-)

Larry Flesner

FAR Part 43 Appendix A "major Alterations" Re: KR> "fly-off" period after engine change

[Ed Janssen]

Here's what FAR part 43, Appendix A, has to say about major engine
alterations:

(2) Powerplant major alterations. The following alterations of a powerplant
when not listed in the engine specifications issued by the FAA, are
powerplant major alterations.
(i) Conversion of an aircraft engine from one approved model to another,
involving any changes in compression ratio, propeller reduction gear,
impeller gear ratios or the substitution of major engine parts which
requires extensive rework and testing of the engine.
(ii) Changes to the engine by replacing aircraft engine structural parts
with parts not supplied by the original manufacturer or parts not
specifically approved by the Administrator.
(iii) Installation of an accessory which is not approved for the engine.
(iv) Removal of accessories that are listed as required equipment on the
aircraft or engine specification.
(v) Installation of structural parts other than the type of parts approved
for the installation.
(vi) Conversions of any sort for the purpose of using fuel of a rating or
grade other than that listed in the engine specifications.

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Flesner" <fles...@verizon.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: KR> "fly-off" period after engine change


>
> >
> >"After incorporating a major change as described in FAR 21.93, the
> >aircraft owner is required to re-establish compliance with FAR
> >91.319(b) and notify the geographically responsible FSDO of the
> >location of the proposed test area.  The aircraft owner must obtain
> >concurrence from the FSDO as to the suitability of the proposed test
area.
> >(SNIP)
> >He made it clear that unless I was changing the engine make or
> >model, I was not making a "major change", and that I would not have
> >to file any paperwork, just make the two logbook endorsements mentioned
above.
> >Mark Langford
> 
>
>
> So, I'm wondering, if you didn't change engine make and model, and
> according to the FSDO
> person didn't make a major change, why does he say it has to go back
> through a test period?
> Seems to me a simple log entry as to the engine change would suffice
> and go fly.  I suspect that there are no two people in the FSDO/s or
> DAR's that will interpret the reg's the same.
> Too much gobbledy gook and wiggle room in that ton of paper they call
> the FAR's.
> The only time it will matter anyway is if you have an accident and
> then they already have you
> by the "gonads" anyway.  :-)
>
> Larry Flesner
>
>
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KR> "fly-off" period after engine change

[eclarse...@aol.com]

Mark and Netters,
 The nutshell version he gave you sounds about right. Just swapping  out a 
'vair for a 'vair shouldn't have much impact on the flight characteristics  you 
established during your testing period.
 There are a few more chapters and verse that apply, depending if the  
aircraft was repaired or altered by the holder of the Repairman Certificate. 
The  
whole search will take you from part 21 to 43 to 65.
 If you have a second hand aircraft that requires the condition  inspection 
be conducted/signed off by at least the holder of an A  rating, then the 
minor and major alterations would also require the same.
 43.5 Approval for return to service after maintenance, preventive  
maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration states "No person may approve for return 
 to 
service any aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propellor, or appliance that  
has undergone maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration  
unless-
 (a) The maintenance record entry required by 43.9 or 43.11, as  appropriate 
has been made;
 (b) doesn't apply to expiremental
 (c) If a repair or alteration results in any change in the aircraft  
operating limitations or flight data contained in the approved aircraft flight  
manual, those operating limitations or flight data are appropriately revised 
and  
set forth as prescribed in 91.9 of this chapter."
 The FSDO should have also referenced 21.19 as well, that may have  more 
aptly covered the subject;
 "Each person who proposes to change a product (your plane) must apply  for a 
new type certificate if the Administrator finds that the proposed change  in 
design, power, thrust, or weight is so extensive that a substantially  
complete investigation of compliance with the applicable regulations is  
required."
 That one may be the key for the fellow that wanted to make lots of  changes 
to the homebuilt he purchased and have it re-certified (new certificate  
issued) allowing him to apply for the repairman certificate.
 The interesting thing about regulations is that they can be  used by you as 
a tool if you can wade through and understand them,  because just as that 
inspector had to try a find an answer, you could suggest  the proper sections 
to 
him and get things completed more quickly (he might  even learn his job a 
little better)
 My two cents;
 Ed Larsen
 Larsen Airpark (43G)
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KR> "fly-off" period after engine change

[Dave Arbogast, CISSP]

After reading one of John Yodice stories about someone the FAA and then 
NTSB put it to, if you change even a washer on your plane and you hold 
the A for the plane (builder) you are better off to bit the bullet and 
ask the FSDO if you need a new fly-off period and do it if who every 
answer the phone says to... you are protected then from future actions 
by the bureaucrats because you followed the bureaucrats directive.

-dave

eclarse...@aol.com wrote:

>Mark and Netters,
> The nutshell version he gave you sounds about right. Just swapping  out a 
>'vair for a 'vair shouldn't have much impact on the flight characteristics  
>you 
>established during your testing period.
> There are a few more chapters and verse that apply, depending if the  
>aircraft was repaired or altered by the holder of the Repairman Certificate. 
>The  
>whole search will take you from part 21 to 43 to 65.
> If you have a second hand aircraft that requires the condition  inspection 
>be conducted/signed off by at least the holder of an A  rating, then the 
>minor and major alterations would also require the same.
> 43.5 Approval for return to service after maintenance, preventive  
>maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration states "No person may approve for 
>return  to 
>service any aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propellor, or appliance that  
>has undergone maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration  
>unless-
> (a) The maintenance record entry required by 43.9 or 43.11, as  appropriate 
>has been made;
> (b) doesn't apply to expiremental
> (c) If a repair or alteration results in any change in the aircraft  
>operating limitations or flight data contained in the approved aircraft flight 
> 
>manual, those operating limitations or flight data are appropriately revised 
>and  
>set forth as prescribed in 91.9 of this chapter."
> The FSDO should have also referenced 21.19 as well, that may have  more 
>aptly covered the subject;
> "Each person who proposes to change a product (your plane) must apply  for a 
>new type certificate if the Administrator finds that the proposed change  in 
>design, power, thrust, or weight is so extensive that a substantially  
>complete investigation of compliance with the applicable regulations is  
>required."
> That one may be the key for the fellow that wanted to make lots of  changes 
>to the homebuilt he purchased and have it re-certified (new certificate  
>issued) allowing him to apply for the repairman certificate.
> The interesting thing about regulations is that they can be  used by you as 
>a tool if you can wade through and understand them,  because just as that 
>inspector had to try a find an answer, you could suggest  the proper sections 
>to 
>him and get things completed more quickly (he might  even learn his job a 
>little better)
> My two cents;
> Ed Larsen
> Larsen Airpark (43G)
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KR> "fly-off" period after engine change

[Mark Wegmet]

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Subject: Re: KR> "fly-off" period after engine change

43.5 Approval for return to service after maintenance, preventive  
maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration states "No person may approve for
return  to 
service any aircraft, airframe, aircraft engine, propellor, or appliance
that  
has undergone maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration

unless-
 (a) The maintenance record entry required by 43.9 or 43.11, as  appropriate

has been made;
 (b) doesn't apply to expiremental
---


What about 43.5 (b) "doesn't apply to experimental"?

Aren't home builts, by definition, experimental?

KR> "fly-off" period after engine change

[eclarse...@aol.com]

In a message dated 3/2/2007 7:59:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
markweg...@charter.net writes:

has been  made;
(b) doesn't apply to  expiremental
---


Netters,
 Sorry, I just put "doesn't apply to expiremental" because the actual  
passage is; 
"(b) The repair or alteration form authorized by or furnished by the  administ
rator has been executed in a manner presribed by the  administrator."
 Basically saying a 337 field approval, STC, or one time STC. In any  case, b 
doesn't apply to your homebuilt aircraft since there was never  a basis for 
approval to begin with.
Ed Larsen
Larsen Airpark (43G)  

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KR> "fly-off" period after engine change

[eclarse...@aol.com]

Netters,
 True statement Dave.
 And it make a good case for CYA. Whenever I'm dealing with he  
"administrator" I like to follow-up with a e-mail confirming the conversation  
and print 
off both the my letter and the answer and I tuck them in the file  cabnet. The 
idea being make sure you have food to feed your shark if the need  should arise.
 I installed a ballistic chute on a Power Para Chute (PPC). The  manufacturer 
did not endorse it but the owner insisted. I gather written  statements from 
the MFG and the Owner for my files, gave the owner the rocket to  arm the 
system once it left the shop and sent the required paperwork to  Ballistic. The 
statement I put on the invoice simply stated that the system was  installed 
without the MFG's approval in accordance with the installation  instructions 
from 
Ballistic as a decoration only and has not been armed  for actual use.
 Oh, and if you plan to install one in your KR, make sure you fire  proof the 
hole real good and seal it from the cockpit area. It is a rocket that  
deploys the chute and the exhuast from it doesn't care whats behind it.
 Ed Larsen
 Larsen Airpark (43G)
. 
In a message dated 3/2/2007 12:51:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, k...@arb.net  
writes:

After  reading one of John Yodice stories about someone the FAA and then 
NTSB put  it to, if you change even a washer on your plane and you hold 
the A  for the plane (builder) you are better off to bit the bullet and 
ask the  FSDO if you need a new fly-off period and do it if who every 
answer the  phone says to... you are protected then from future actions 
by the  bureaucrats because you followed the bureaucrats  directive.

-dave




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KR> "fly-off" period after engine change

[Mark Wegmet]

Thanks for the clarification... I'm not as confused now

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of eclarse...@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:30 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR> "fly-off" period after engine change


In a message dated 3/2/2007 7:59:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
markweg...@charter.net writes:

has been  made;
(b) doesn't apply to  expiremental
---


Netters,
 Sorry, I just put "doesn't apply to expiremental" because the actual  
passage is; 
"(b) The repair or alteration form authorized by or furnished by the
administ

KR> "fly-off" period after engine change

[Bob Glidden]

Unless I was told wrong 43. anything doe's not apply to your homebuilt 
airplane UNLESS you are running a certified engine and then all FAR's,AD's 
and such apply.I think Mark L hit the nail on the head with the part about 
using good judgement and staying close to a safe landing spot for the first 
few hours.Why would you want to put on a fresh engine certified or not and 
go flying long distances.I've not seen to many engine put on airplanes that 
did not require a little adjusting here and there.But as far as your auto or 
experimental engine on your airplane the FAR's do not apply

Bob Glidden
Eminence,Indiana
KR2S N181FW (building)
Corvair 110
glid...@ccrtc.com 

KR> "fly-off" period after engine change

[Ronald Wright]

All the FARs, ADs etc. ONLY APPLY if you WANT To KEEP
the engine CERTIFIED..

Ron


--- Bob Glidden  wrote:

> Unless I was told wrong 43. anything doe's not apply
> to your homebuilt 
> airplane UNLESS you are running a certified engine
> and then all FAR's,AD's 
> and such apply.I think Mark L hit the nail on the
> head with the part about 
> using good judgement and staying close to a safe
> landing spot for the first 
> few hours.Why would you want to put on a fresh
> engine certified or not and 
> go flying long distances.I've not seen to many
> engine put on airplanes that 
> did not require a little adjusting here and
> there.But as far as your auto or 
> experimental engine on your airplane the FAR's do
> not apply
> 
> Bob Glidden
> Eminence,Indiana
> KR2S N181FW (building)
> Corvair 110
> glid...@ccrtc.com 
> 
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KR> "fly-off" period after engine change

[Dan Heath]

How do you certify a Corvair? 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2007 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---

From: Ronald Wright
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 03/02/07 16:13:09
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> "fly-off" period after engine change

All the FARs, ADs etc. ONLY APPLY if you WANT To KEEP
the engine CERTIFIED..

Ron

KR> "fly-off" period after engine change

[Colin Rainey]

Larry Flesner said: Seems to me a simple log entry as to the engine change
would suffice
and go fly.  I suspect that there are no two people in the FSDO/s or
DAR's that will interpret the reg's the same.

Don't forget that almost ANY change that could, not does effect flight
characteristics (we used to include reliability for cya) needs a maintenance
flight by a rated pilot certifying the airplane is safe and can return to
service. Just a flight and log entry signed by the pilot making the flight
and all good...

Colin Rainey
brokerpi...@bellsouth.net 

KR> Fly in in the SW

[Lee Van Dyke]

Hey group,

Steve Glover mentioned to me about a fly in with conards..."small front 
wingers"  in Jean or somewhere in the SW.  If anybody knows of such fly in let 
me know.
And to Nick B. I might have to fly to Yuma on SAT, if so I will make it quick 
and fly to Lake Havasu, or to the fly in and visit with you for a while.  Have 
a Great day.  Bob Glidden ir FREEZING is tail feathers off in IN  lol   lol

Lee Van Dyke
Mesa AZ 85212
l...@vandyke5.com

Réf. : KR> Fly in in the SW

[Serge VIDAL]

That would be "Canard" (small front wings), which is French for duck.

Nothing to do with "Conard", which, spelled with two "n", is also French 
for... well, let's say moron!

Freezing, eh? The French expression for extreme cold is "un froid de 
canard" (a duck's cold), so we do have consistency here! ; - )

Sorry, never got the chance to be a veteran, so I'm playing teacher ; - )

Serge Vidal
Ex KR owner
Canberra, Australia





"Lee Van Dyke" <l...@vandyke5.com>

Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
31/01/2007 05:05
Veuillez répondre à KRnet
Remis le : 31/01/2007 05:06


Pour :  "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>, <brotherton_...@yahoo.com>
cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
Objet : KR> Fly in in the SW



Hey group,

Steve Glover mentioned to me about a fly in with conards..."small front 
wingers"  in Jean or somewhere in the SW.  If anybody knows of such fly in 
let me know.
And to Nick B. I might have to fly to Yuma on SAT, if so I will make it 
quick and fly to Lake Havasu, or to the fly in and visit with you for a 
while.  Have a Great day.  Bob Glidden ir FREEZING is tail feathers off in 
IN  lol   lol

Lee Van Dyke
Mesa AZ 85212
l...@vandyke5.com
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KR> Fly in in the SW

[Nick Brennan]

Cool, just let me know, and I'll meet ya at the airport.  I am planning on 
going to Prescott on Saturday to checkout a KR2 then also, so it'll be cool 
to check them both out if you make it!

Nick Brennan
nickdbren...@comcast.net

- Original Message - 
From: "Lee Van Dyke" <l...@vandyke5.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>; <brotherton_...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:05 PM
Subject: KR> Fly in in the SW


> Hey group,
>
> Steve Glover mentioned to me about a fly in with conards..."small front 
> wingers"  in Jean or somewhere in the SW.  If anybody knows of such fly in 
> let me know.
> And to Nick B. I might have to fly to Yuma on SAT, if so I will make it 
> quick and fly to Lake Havasu, or to the fly in and visit with you for a 
> while.  Have a Great day.  Bob Glidden ir FREEZING is tail feathers off in 
> IN  lol   lol
>
> Lee Van Dyke
> Mesa AZ 85212
> l...@vandyke5.com
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KR> Fly in in the SW

[Greg Martin]

 Lee Van Dyke wrote:

> Hey group,
>
> Steve Glover mentioned to me about a fly in with conards..."small front 
> wingers"  in Jean or somewhere in the SW.  If anybody knows of such fly in 
>  >let me know.

Lee and anyone interested.

 The Q200 tandem wing SW flying will be April 27-29 in Jean Neveda.  I've 
been and to other fly ins in the past and they have some very interesting 
topics and people at these events.  I know I'm going.

Greg Martin

KR> fly mart question

[Lee Van Dyke]

Netters,

One of the venders at Oshkosh flymart, had all kinds of rivets, srews, clamps 
fasteners, hoses etc.  They have been there and Sun N Fun for many years.  They 
were not listed in the Vendors list on the EAA site, that I could find.  They 
were in a Big Tent.  Does anybody have their name? web site?  

REPLY  OFF LINE

Lee
Lee Van Dyke
Mesa AZ 85212
l...@vandyke5.com

KR> fly mart question,HARDWARE SUPPLIER

[Larry H.]

Lee, you are probably talking about:
Dan Brown from Garderner Kansas.
B Aircraft Supplies
202 South Center
Gardener Kansas, 66030
913-884-5930


- Original Message 
From: Lee Van Dyke 

Netters,

One of the venders at Oshkosh flymart, had all kinds of rivets, srews, clamps 
fasteners, hoses etc.  They have been there and Sun N Fun for many years.  They 
were not listed in the Vendors list on the EAA site, that I could find.  They 
were in a Big Tent.  Does anybody have their name? web site?

KR> fly mart question,HARDWARE SUPPLIER

[tinya...@aol.com]

Or..Airparts in KCK

Kevin Golden
Harrisonville, MO 


-Original Message-
From: lah...@yahoo.com
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:26 AM
Subject: KR> fly mart question,HARDWARE SUPPLIER


Lee, you are probably talking about:
Dan Brown from Garderner Kansas.
B Aircraft Supplies
202 South Center
Gardener Kansas, 66030
913-884-5930


- Original Message 
From: Lee Van Dyke <l...@vandyke5.com>

Netters,

One of the venders at Oshkosh flymart, had all kinds of rivets, srews, clamps 
fasteners, hoses etc.  They have been there and Sun N Fun for many years.  They 
were not listed in the Vendors list on the EAA site, that I could find.  They 
were in a Big Tent.  Does anybody have their name? web site?
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KR> fly mart question,HARDWARE SUPPLIER

[Lee Van Dyke]

You are exactly right, I thought it was B & B  but could not find the card 
he gave me.

Thank you

Lee Van Dyke
Mesa AZ 85212
l...@vandyke5.com 

KR> fly to RKR 122.8, Poteau, Oklahoma

[Coda Riley]

Hi Ya'll,

   Do consider flying to RKR, Poteau, Oklahoma.  We have a fly-in/lunch  
the second Saturday of every month, food served @ 12 noon.  Unfortunately, our 
airport is closed for improvement's this month.  Feel free to fly in 
anytime,,,get a full belly on the house, and enjoy some good fellowship (plane 
talk).

  Coda
  pswhat is compatable to a Dan Diehl supercase engine mount?  Corvair bolt 
up to it?


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KR> fly wheel bolt

[Lee Van Dyke]

hey netters,

need some help...is the fly wheel bolt standard or reverse thread?

KR> fly wheel bolt

[Mark Langford]

> need some help...is the fly wheel bolt standard or reverse thread?

Standard for the VW, normally torqued to 217 ft-lbs for automotive use.

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net

KR> fly wheel bolt

[Dan Heath]

Assuming you are talking about a VW, it is standard, 36MM.  However, it is a
special bolt and if you need a new one, get it from Steve cause he knows
which one to use.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
is OVER.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---

From: Lee Van Dyke
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 06/11/06 12:50:19
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> fly wheel bolt

hey netters,

need some help...is the fly wheel bolt standard or reverse thread?
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KR> Fly In

[Tony Wright]

Or a toot.  Incidentally, I hanger behind Orma, on the same row, and I 
haven't seen him at the airport in 5 or 6 weeks.

Tony Wright
N201HG
N6645 12 year work in progress, 10 to go
- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>
To: "KR Net" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 11:03 PM
Subject: KR> Fly In


> Hey guys,
> There is going to be a fly-in in Wautoma, WI (Y50) Saturday called the 
> Cluckenfarten Fly-in. I am planning on making that one. They are serving 
> BBQ Chicken and several styles of baked beans. Hence the name 
> Cluckenfarten Fly-in. www.y50.org  This ought to be a hoot!
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my NEW
> KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com
>
>
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KR> Fly In

[D. F. Lively]

Mark:

Does this or will  this  result in any "JATO" assisted  departtures?  
Let us   know what happens!

Grins

Don Lively



Mark Jones wrote:

>Hey guys,
>There is going to be a fly-in in Wautoma, WI (Y50) Saturday called the 
>Cluckenfarten Fly-in. I am planning on making that one. They are serving BBQ 
>Chicken and several styles of baked beans. Hence the name Cluckenfarten 
>Fly-in. www.y50.org  This ought to be a hoot!
>
>Mark Jones (N886MJ)
>Wales, WI  USA 
>E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
>Visit my NEW
>KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com
>
>
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KR> Fly-In

[Jack Cooper]

Don
I will be there on Saturday. See you them.

Jack Cooper

-Original Message-
>From: Donald Reid <donr...@peoplepc.com>
>Sent: Apr 25, 2006 5:56 PM
>To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
>Subject: KR> Fly-In
>
>In just less than a month (May 18 through 21) there will be a Fly-In 
>at Lumberton, North Carolina.  This will be their third year and they 
>are trying very hard to make this into a significant event.  Their 
>stated goal is to make Lumberton the third largest Fly-In in the 
>US.  I will be there for the first time, not with my KR, which is 
>still not ready, but as one of the two Fly-In photographers.  I hope 
>that some of the KR network will be there so that we can meet.  I can 
>guarantee that I will take "official" pictures of all the KRs that 
>show up.  I can't guarantee that they will be published anywhere.
>
>Details of the Fly-In are at
>http://mafsac.com
>
>If any of you make it there, I will be the tallest guy on the field 
>and will have a load of camera gear.  Please introduce yourself and 
>we can talk about KRs
>
>
>
>Don Reid  -  donreid "at" peoplepc.com
>Bumpass, Va
>
>Visit my web sites at:
>
>AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program:
>http://aerofoilengineering.com
>
>KR2XL construction: http://aerofoilengineering.com/KR/KR2XL.htm
>Aviation Surplus: http://aerofoilengineering.com/PartsListing/Airparts.htm
>EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org
>Ultralights: http://usua250.org
>VA EAA Regional Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org
>
>
>
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KR> Fly-In

[Jack Cooper]

This first message did not go out to Corvaircraft net so you may want to
read Don Reeds email first. (below)

I live in Fayetteville NC about 30 miles from Lumberton. If there is any
intrest from KR and Corvair net I will host a cook out on Saturday night
after the airshow.If you are planning on coming to the Mid Atlantic and
would like to have a cookout email me off net and I'll start the planning
and keep you informed. If you are flying in to the gathering I will also
provide transportation to and from the cookout.

Jack Cooper
kr2coo...@earthlink.net
Fayetteville. NC.


> [Original Message]
> From: Donald Reid <donr...@peoplepc.com>
> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
> Date: 4/25/2006 5:56:29 PM
> Subject: KR> Fly-In
>
> In just less than a month (May 18 through 21) there will be a Fly-In 
> at Lumberton, North Carolina.  This will be their third year and they 
> are trying very hard to make this into a significant event.  Their 
> stated goal is to make Lumberton the third largest Fly-In in the 
> US.  I will be there for the first time, not with my KR, which is 
> still not ready, but as one of the two Fly-In photographers.  I hope 
> that some of the KR network will be there so that we can meet.  I can 
> guarantee that I will take "official" pictures of all the KRs that 
> show up.  I can't guarantee that they will be published anywhere.
>
> Details of the Fly-In are at
> http://mafsac.com
>
> If any of you make it there, I will be the tallest guy on the field 
> and will have a load of camera gear.  Please introduce yourself and 
> we can talk about KRs
>
>
>
> Don Reid  -  donreid "at" peoplepc.com
> Bumpass, Va
>
> Visit my web sites at:
>
> AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program:
> http://aerofoilengineering.com
>
> KR2XL construction: http://aerofoilengineering.com/KR/KR2XL.htm
> Aviation Surplus: http://aerofoilengineering.com/PartsListing/Airparts.htm
> EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org
> Ultralights: http://usua250.org
> VA EAA Regional Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org
>
>
>
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KR> Fly-In

[Donald Reid]

In just less than a month (May 18 through 21) there will be a Fly-In 
at Lumberton, North Carolina.  This will be their third year and they 
are trying very hard to make this into a significant event.  Their 
stated goal is to make Lumberton the third largest Fly-In in the 
US.  I will be there for the first time, not with my KR, which is 
still not ready, but as one of the two Fly-In photographers.  I hope 
that some of the KR network will be there so that we can meet.  I can 
guarantee that I will take "official" pictures of all the KRs that 
show up.  I can't guarantee that they will be published anywhere.

Details of the Fly-In are at
http://mafsac.com

If any of you make it there, I will be the tallest guy on the field 
and will have a load of camera gear.  Please introduce yourself and 
we can talk about KRs



Don Reid  -  donreid "at" peoplepc.com
Bumpass, Va

Visit my web sites at:

AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program:
http://aerofoilengineering.com

KR2XL construction: http://aerofoilengineering.com/KR/KR2XL.htm
Aviation Surplus: http://aerofoilengineering.com/PartsListing/Airparts.htm
EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org
Ultralights: http://usua250.org
VA EAA Regional Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org

KR> Fly-In

[flymaca711...@aol.com]

Hi don and all the Kr gang  .  Im hoping to make it  this year . 
don't forget to see what airspace you will  pass through last year was not 
uneventful a student and instructor crossed in to  tfr in dc and made for more 
fear of making the no fly zone bigger  .  by the way do you have photos of 
Scott cross  field from the VA fly ins of the past i blow it and did not take 
photos of him  couple years a go he was class act and im so glad i was Abel to 
make his  acquaintance before he passed he will be missed .








mac n1055a

KR> Fly-In

[Brian Kraut]

I think that if Mat Elder shows up you will be the second tallest.  I
believe he flies a four seat airplane so he can sit in the back seat and
have enough room between him and the rudder pedals.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
Behalf Of Donald Reid
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 5:56 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Fly-In


If any of you make it there, I will be the tallest guy on the field
and will have a load of camera gear.  Please introduce yourself and
we can talk about KRs



Don Reid  -  donreid "at" peoplepc.com
Bumpass, Va

Visit my web sites at:

AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program:
http://aerofoilengineering.com

KR2XL construction: http://aerofoilengineering.com/KR/KR2XL.htm
Aviation Surplus: http://aerofoilengineering.com/PartsListing/Airparts.htm
EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org
Ultralights: http://usua250.org
VA EAA Regional Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org



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KR> Fly-In

[jg7...@mindspring.com]

I think Matt is probably the only one building what amounts to a KR2s in a
single seat just so he can fit. 6ft9in. 250lb


> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Kraut <brian.kr...@engalt.com>
> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
> Date: 4/25/2006 10:45:11 PM
> Subject: RE: KR> Fly-In
>
> I think that if Mat Elder shows up you will be the second tallest.  I
> believe he flies a four seat airplane so he can sit in the back seat and
> have enough room between him and the rudder pedals.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of Donald Reid
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 5:56 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: KR> Fly-In
>
>
> If any of you make it there, I will be the tallest guy on the field
> and will have a load of camera gear.  Please introduce yourself and
> we can talk about KRs
>
>
>
> Don Reid  -  donreid "at" peoplepc.com
> Bumpass, Va
>
> Visit my web sites at:
>
> AeroFoil, a 2-D Airfoil Design And Analysis Computer Program:
> http://aerofoilengineering.com
>
> KR2XL construction: http://aerofoilengineering.com/KR/KR2XL.htm
> Aviation Surplus: http://aerofoilengineering.com/PartsListing/Airparts.htm
> EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org
> Ultralights: http://usua250.org
> VA EAA Regional Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org
>
>
>
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KR> Fly-In

[ifly...@aol.com]

Elaine and I just got back from the Thomasville Fly-In - Its just down the  
road from here.  Only a 15 min flight (okay more like 13).  Got there  about 
9:30 am and talked to a few people.  Showed off the Corvair engine  conversion 
and met a few Peitenpol and Kr guys.  Chuck (Dragonfly-corvair)  showed up as 
well as a Peit-corvair.  Had lunch and then did a few high  speed passes for 
the locals.  Talked to some more folks.  They dropped  candy out of a plane and 
all the kids went dashing through the field to  gather it up - Elaine came out 
with two bags full. Make the dentist real  happy.  Talked to some more folk.  
Left about 5 or so and came  home.  Had a real nice day.  289 hours and 
counting..  Bill

KR> Fly-In

[Joachim Saupe]

Bill,
don't know if Elaine appreciates all the opportunities yet. You and I only
had a limited time to talk at the gathering. 
But do afford her ALL those oppertunities!
Joachim


> [Original Message]
> From: <ifly...@aol.com>
> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> Date: 15.10.2005 22:03:28
> Subject: KR> Fly-In
>
> Elaine and I just got back from the Thomasville Fly-In - Its just down
the  
> road from here.  Only a 15 min flight (okay more like 13).  Got there 
about 
> 9:30 am and talked to a few people.  Showed off the Corvair engine 
conversion 
> and met a few Peitenpol and Kr guys.  Chuck (Dragonfly-corvair)  showed
up as 
> well as a Peit-corvair.  Had lunch and then did a few high  speed passes
for 
> the locals.  Talked to some more folks.  They dropped  candy out of a
plane and 
> all the kids went dashing through the field to  gather it up - Elaine
came out 
> with two bags full. Make the dentist real  happy.  Talked to some more
folk.  
> Left about 5 or so and came  home.  Had a real nice day.  289 hours and 
> counting..  Bill
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KR> Fly in coordinates

[Martindale Family]

Hi folks

Just thinking of flying over. Could someone please post the lat/longs of the 
Mount Vernon Fly In. I'm curious to find out how far it is from Coffs Harbour 
and whether I need to refuel. Have a great time you guys.

Regards John

The Martindale Family
29 Jane Circuit
Toormina NSW 2452
Australia

ph:  61 2 66 584767
email: johnja...@optusnet.com.au

KR> Fly in coordinates

[Brant Hollensbe]

>  Could someone please post the lat/longs of the Mount Vernon Fly In. I'm 
> curious to find out how far it is from Coffs Harbour and whether I need to 
> refuel.


Hi John
Here is the lat/long of Mount Vernon.

Lat/Long:  38-19-24.0760N / 088-51-30.5250W
38-19.401267N / 088-51.508750W
38.3233544 / -88.8584792

I'm unsure if the shortest route is a left or right hand turn 
out of Coffs Harbour.  Keep us updated on your flight.

Brant Hollensbe

KR> Fly in coordinates

[Bernard McLean Sr]

Log on to AIRNAV.COM and select airport data for KMVN.
You'll get more info than you want!

Bernie McLean
Poplar Grove IL




Just thinking of flying over. Could someone please post the lat/longs of the 
Mount Vernon Fly In. I'm curious to find out how far it is from Coffs Harbour 
and whether I need to refuel. Have a great time you guys.

KR> Fly in coordinates

[Richard Green]

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KMVNFAA Identifier: MVNLat/Long: 38-19-24.0760N / 
088-51-30.5250W
38-19.401267N / 088-51.508750W
Elevation: 480 ft.Variation: 01W

Martindale Family  wrote:Hi folks

Just thinking of flying over. Could someone please post the lat/longs of the 
Mount Vernon Fly In. I'm curious to find out how far it is from Coffs Harbour 
and whether I need to refuel. Have a great time you guys.

Regards John

The Martindale Family
29 Jane Circuit
Toormina NSW 2452
Australia

KR> Fly in coordinates

[patrusso]

- Original Message - 
From: "Brant Hollensbe" <bhollen...@mchsi.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Fly in coordinates


>
>
>>  Could someone please post the lat/longs of the Mount Vernon Fly In. I'm
>> curious to find out how far it is from Coffs Harbour and whether I need 
>> to
>> refuel.
>
>
> Hi John
> Here is the lat/long of Mount Vernon.
>
>Lat/Long:  38-19-24.0760N / 088-51-30.5250W
>38-19.401267N / 088-51.508750W
>38.3233544 / -88.8584792
>
>I'm unsure if the shortest route is a left or right hand turn
> out of Coffs Harbour.  Keep us updated on your flight.
>
>Brant Hollensbe
> That would depend  on your choice of the eastern or western route. There 
> is a fuel savings if you go west!>
>
>
>
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KR> KR fly in

[wilder_jeff Wilder]

Ahhh!!... He11... count me in.. I wish I could fly out my bird is a long way 
away from getting kicked out of her nest.

I'll try to be Fri afternoon... I have a brother in Kansas City.. I can hold 
over there Thursday night.

Any chance I could bum a ride around the partern from someone... I'd love to 
find out what I'm in for!
( Student pilot 25 hours and adding )

-Jeff


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>commit yourself man, commit yourself.  Get there by plane, train, car, or
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>year if you don't.
>
>See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering
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>Date: 08/27/05 15:29:37
>To: KRnet
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>
>You need to be 100% committed.
>
>Mark Jones (N886MJ)
>Wales, WI  USA
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>- Original Message -
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>Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 2:06 PM
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>
>
> > I am bout 90% commited to going... I will be driving out from Denver,
>Co
> >
> > is there anyone that would be interested in going with me?  I really 
>dont
> > know if I want to drive it alone...
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> >
> >
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[Mark Langford]

jeff_wilder wrote:

> Any chance I could bum a ride around the partern from someone... I'd love
to
> find out what I'm in for!

Are you crazy?  That's half of what the Gathering is all about!

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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KR> KR fly in

[wilder_jeff Wilder]

Is there a count for the amount of people that are going to camp out 
there?.. I thought that I read that camping out was an accetable activity


I have about 900 miles to drive to get there.. and thought it to be fun if I 
go, I can camp somewhere rather then the hotel.

-Jeff

KR> KR fly in

[Mark Jones]

Jeff,
Yes, there is camping on the airport next to the lake. Bob Glidden is the
campmaster since he has the refreshments. Last year there were quite a few
folks camping. Several tents, a couple of trailered campers and a motor
home. There will most likely be more this year. The campground is the center
of activity in the evenings. That is where all the lies are told. I will be
there telling my share. Man I can't wait. ONLY TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj


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From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" <wilder_j...@msn.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 4:52 PM
Subject: KR> KR fly in


>
> Is there a count for the amount of people that are going to camp out
> there?.. I thought that I read that camping out was an accetable activity
>
>
> I have about 900 miles to drive to get there.. and thought it to be fun if
I
> go, I can camp somewhere rather then the hotel.
>
> -Jeff
>
>
>
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[wilder_jeff Wilder]

Does anyone have contact for Bob Gliddon?

-Jeff


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>Jeff,
>Yes, there is camping on the airport next to the lake. Bob Glidden is the
>campmaster since he has the refreshments. Last year there were quite a few
>folks camping. Several tents, a couple of trailered campers and a motor
>home. There will most likely be more this year. The campground is the 
>center
>of activity in the evenings. That is where all the lies are told. I will be
>there telling my share. Man I can't wait. ONLY TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY
>
>Mark Jones (N886MJ)
>Wales, WI  USA
>E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
>Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
>http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj
>
>
>- Original Message -
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>To: <kr...@mylist.net>
>Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 4:52 PM
>Subject: KR> KR fly in
>
>
> >
> > Is there a count for the amount of people that are going to camp out
> > there?.. I thought that I read that camping out was an accetable 
>activity
> >
> >
> > I have about 900 miles to drive to get there.. and thought it to be fun 
>if
>I
> > go, I can camp somewhere rather then the hotel.
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> >
> >
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KR> KR fly in

[Mark Jones]

Here is his e-mail glid...@ccrtc.com

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
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http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj


- Original Message - 
From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" <wilder_j...@msn.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: KR> KR fly in


> Does anyone have contact for Bob Gliddon?
>
> -Jeff
>
>
> >From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
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> >Jeff,
> >Yes, there is camping on the airport next to the lake. Bob Glidden is the
> >campmaster since he has the refreshments. Last year there were quite a
few
> >folks camping. Several tents, a couple of trailered campers and a motor
> >home. There will most likely be more this year. The campground is the
> >center
> >of activity in the evenings. That is where all the lies are told. I will
be
> >there telling my share. Man I can't wait. ONLY TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY
> >
> >Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> >Wales, WI  USA
> >E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
> >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" <wilder_j...@msn.com>
> >To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> >Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 4:52 PM
> >Subject: KR> KR fly in
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Is there a count for the amount of people that are going to camp out
> > > there?.. I thought that I read that camping out was an accetable
> >activity
> > >
> > >
> > > I have about 900 miles to drive to get there.. and thought it to be
fun
> >if
> >I
> > > go, I can camp somewhere rather then the hotel.
> > >
> > > -Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >
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[Brian Kraut]

Not only acceptable, but a whole lot of fun!

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
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-Original Message-
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Behalf Of wilder_jeff Wilder
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:53 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> KR fly in



Is there a count for the amount of people that are going to camp out
there?.. I thought that I read that camping out was an accetable activity


I have about 900 miles to drive to get there.. and thought it to be fun if I
go, I can camp somewhere rather then the hotel.

-Jeff



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KR> KR fly in" camping"

[Martha Crawford]

HHOOODY all


I am doing a new Menards store set in Holland Ohio and cant brake loss 
till about 1 or 2 ish friyday.
Its about a 8 hour drive from there, so To all the campers   KEEP that 
fire burning late.
I'm hoping to be able to get there before midnight.

Keith Crawford
Lansing MI

KR> KR fly in

[wilder_jeff Wilder]

I am bout 90% commited to going... I will be driving out from Denver, Co

is there anyone that would be interested in going with me?  I really dont 
know if I want to drive it alone...

-Jeff



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>Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:53 PM
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>
>
>Is there a count for the amount of people that are going to camp out
>there?.. I thought that I read that camping out was an accetable activity
>
>
>I have about 900 miles to drive to get there.. and thought it to be fun if 
>I
>go, I can camp somewhere rather then the hotel.
>
>-Jeff
>
>
>
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KR> KR fly in

[Mark Jones]

You need to be 100% committed.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj


- Original Message - 
From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" <wilder_j...@msn.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 2:06 PM
Subject: RE: KR> KR fly in


> I am bout 90% commited to going... I will be driving out from Denver,
Co
>
> is there anyone that would be interested in going with me?  I really dont
> know if I want to drive it alone...
>
> -Jeff
>
>
>
> >From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kr...@engalt.com>
> >Reply-To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
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> >Not only acceptable, but a whole lot of fun!
> >
> >Brian Kraut
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> >www.engalt.com
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> >Behalf Of wilder_jeff Wilder
> >Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:53 PM
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> >Subject: KR> KR fly in
> >
> >
> >
> >Is there a count for the amount of people that are going to camp out
> >there?.. I thought that I read that camping out was an accetable activity
> >
> >
> >I have about 900 miles to drive to get there.. and thought it to be fun
if
> >I
> >go, I can camp somewhere rather then the hotel.
> >
> >-Jeff
> >
> >
> >
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KR> KR fly in

[Dan Heath]

commit yourself man, commit yourself.  Get there by plane, train, car, or
bus.  Walk if you have to , but get there.  You will regret it for another
year if you don't. 

See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering
See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics 
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
has expired.
Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
---Original Message---

From: Mark Jones
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 08/27/05 15:29:37
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> KR fly in

You need to be 100% committed.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj


- Original Message -
From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" <wilder_j...@msn.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 2:06 PM
Subject: RE: KR> KR fly in


> I am bout 90% commited to going... I will be driving out from Denver,
Co
>
> is there anyone that would be interested in going with me?  I really dont
> know if I want to drive it alone...
>
> -Jeff
>
>
>
> >From: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kr...@engalt.com>
> >Reply-To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
> >To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> >Subject: RE: KR> KR fly in
> >Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:44:36 -0400
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> >Not only acceptable, but a whole lot of fun!
> >
> >Brian Kraut
> >Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> >www.engalt.com
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net
>mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net;>krnet-boun...@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> >Behalf Of wilder_jeff Wilder
> >Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:53 PM
> >To: kr...@mylist.net
> >Subject: KR> KR fly in
> >
> >
> >
> >Is there a count for the amount of people that are going to camp out
> >there?.. I thought that I read that camping out was an accetable activity
> >
> >
> >I have about 900 miles to drive to get there.. and thought it to be fun
if
> >I
> >go, I can camp somewhere rather then the hotel.
> >
> >-Jeff
> >
> >
> >
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KR>fly-in

[jscott.pi...@juno.com]

I'm forwarding this to the KR list for Terry Chizek:   This is a great
little fly-in to catch if you like KRs, great BBQ, and beer.  -  Jeff
Scott


I'm having my annual cookout & campout  August 26th & 27th.  Campout
friday night and B.B.Q sat at 6:00 pm   At Marion KS  [43K]  This is a
small getogather of some local pilots and four or so kr2 builder and my
three kr2 .  Terry Chizekc15...@netzero.net 

KR> FLY SAFE VS RISK MANAGEMENT

[Colin & Bev Rainey]

No flame war necessary or considered

As a current CFI and ASC with FAA I do practice and teach RISK MANAGEMENT. 
However, just like so many of things we post here get converted to layman's 
terms, so does my recommendation to all pilots to remain as safe as possible 
given we are delving into an art and act of dangerous consequences. As a former 
military person you were also taught that restraint was better than speaking 
your mind completely lest you anger the CO regardless of the request to speak 
freely!  LOL  Keep it fun and informative Doug.

My cautions are not discourage anyone from being an experimenter, or for using 
ANY available system that is an improvement over the existing equipment 
available.  I agree with WW who quotes another A who stated" as soon as we 
are made aware of a superior product or part, we are obligated to use that 
part".  As WW said, we balance between spending our remaining years on the 
couch saving our money, or calculating our risk, and attempting to stay within 
those parameters and go fly. I have met with WW himself, as well as read his 
manual and countless others.  My cautions are simply, if you have the know how, 
use the available technology, if not, either get educated, or stay with what 
you know.  That is the lowest risk option, to use Doug's approach. LOL

I say FLY SAFE because most of our reader/builders are from the old school, and 
understand that we are just trying to be as safe as we can, not imply that 
flying is a safe venture.  You are preaching to the choir Doug, save your 
breath.  All here subscribe to that frame of mind one way or the other.  My 
posts are aimed and intended to prompt a pilot/builder to think and keep 
thinking about his goals and his project, as are yours.  I have read all your 
posts and enjoy them, if for no better reason to make me think as well.  It 
takes all of us to present the vast sum of knowledge that exists on this net, 
that none other can compare.  Keep them coming.  All benefit with the exchange, 
even when it is a contradictory point of view.  Allows everyone (including the 
author) to see all sides.

(stubbornly) FLY SAFE!   lol

Colin & Beverly Rainey
Apex Lending, Inc.
407-323-6960 (p)
407-557-3260 (f)
www.eloan2004cr.com
crai...@apexlending.com

KR> FLY SAFE VS RISK MANAGEMENT

[Ron Eason]

- Original Message - 
From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" <crain...@cfl.rr.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:24 AM
Subject: KR> FLY SAFE VS RISK MANAGEMENT


 No flame war necessary or considered

 As some of you may know, I am building a modified KR2 with a supercharge, 
fuel injected 1915 cc VW engine, step by step.  I would say VW but it not 
any longer a VW it's got all American performance and experimental aircraft 
after market components.
I will have a full electronics  fuel and ignition computerized management 
system using a PC, which will allow me to make on the fly engine 
tuning.[intact the software  has a feature called auto-tune].  My backup 
system will be a magneto fixed timing and a gravity fad fuel induction with 
manual controls, this will get me home.  The timing devices are a crank 
shaft position sensor and a distributor, that tells the computer which 
cylinder is firing. The system is a off the shelf after market system for 
racing applications.[not auto manufacture related]  The Crank Shaft and 
Connecting Rods are balanced to within 1/2 gram tolerance. A lot of other 
details are incorporated,  but to numerous to itemize. That's my plans, it's 
not finished yet because I am receiving my last shipment of ceramic coated 
combustion chamber components and polycoated bearings from Polydyn this 
week. In fact all the hot and cold manifolds are ceramic coated. The casing 
is going out for powder-coating next week [it's pay as you go for me].  Over 
the past 3 years or so I've researched and invested some money in the little 
joule.  Right or wrong this is where I am going, and it going to be fun.
I've taken photos but don't have time to upload them.

KRRon 

KR> FLY SAFE VS RISK MANAGEMENT

[Doug Rupert]

Way to go Ron I've personally been stuck between a Type 4 fuel injected =
and
supercharged and the Corvair. Looks like the vair will win out unless I =
fall
over a Type 4 cheap.
Doug


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KR> FLY SAFE VS RISK MANAGEMENT

[Doug Rupert]

Thanks Bev it wasn't meant as inflammatory but you know how old farts =
get. I
really enjoy the postings here and continue to learn something new every
day. You hit upon the only reason I posted in the first place, there are
some fellows on the Net that are either not pilots yet or are low time =
and
need to know that each and every statement made here is subject to =
further
investigation. As many have stated results may vary. I do believe that =
it is
up to the high time guys to pitch in wherever possible to clarify =
certain
things the rest of us take for granted. I sit here each night waiting to =
see
something new for me to learn and it is very rare indeed when that =
doesn't
happen. I've gotten to the point now where I have to draw the line and
complete my bird and quit incorporating changes unless of course it has =
to
do with safety/risk management. The chances of this however are very =
remote
since with the wealth of information both here and in the archives has
almost made building a KR a no-brainer. Time to quit typing and resume
sanding.
Doug

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KR> fly it in primer for ever

[Dan Heath]

I know what you mean.  I also know how I am and once I get this one flying,
I am not going to want to stop.  That is why I am trying to be patient and
get the "hard to do later" things done now.  It is taking longer, but we
should be flying before May is over.

Making cable attach brackets for carb, carb hear, and mixture.

See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics 
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
has expired.
Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering
---Original Message---

I have a feeling once the weather finally lets me in the air, I may just fly
it in
primer for ever. 

KR> fly it in primer for ever

[VIRGIL N SALISBURY]

Painters out there??? I heard that Primer is NOT waterproof?
Finish coat
 it some way soon. Virg

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:06:01 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) "Dan Heath"
 writes:
> I know what you mean.  I also know how I am and once I get this one 
> flying,
> I am not going to want to stop.  That is why I am trying to be 
> patient and
> get the "hard to do later" things done now.  It is taking longer, 
> but we
> should be flying before May is over.
> 
> Making cable attach brackets for carb, carb hear, and mixture.
>  
> See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics 
> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for 
> building
> has expired.
> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering
> ---Original Message---
>  
> I have a feeling once the weather finally lets me in the air, I may 
> just fly
> it in
> primer for ever. 
> ___
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> 
> 


Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL
www.lubedealer.com/salisbury
Miami ,Fl

KR> fly it in primer for ever

[Stephen and Janet Henderson]

Primer is not waterproof and Bondo will absorb water too. It is fine to
wet-sand these two but it is not good for them to have repeated contact with
water. I am assuming that this information is correct since it was what I
was taught when I went to auto body school.

Steve Henderson



- Original Message - 
From: "VIRGIL N SALISBURY" <virg...@juno.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: KR> fly it in primer for ever


> Painters out there??? I heard that Primer is NOT waterproof?
> Finish coat
>  it some way soon. Virg
>
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:06:01 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) "Dan Heath"
> <da...@alltel.net> writes:
> > I know what you mean.  I also know how I am and once I get this one
> > flying,
> > I am not going to want to stop.  That is why I am trying to be
> > patient and
> > get the "hard to do later" things done now.  It is taking longer,
> > but we
> > should be flying before May is over.
> >
> > Making cable attach brackets for carb, carb hear, and mixture.
> >
> > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics
> > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for
> > building
> > has expired.
> > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
> > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering
> > ---Original Message---
> >
> > I have a feeling once the weather finally lets me in the air, I may
> > just fly
> > it in
> > primer for ever.
> > ___
> > Search the KRnet Archives at
> > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp
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> > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
> >
> >
>
>
> Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL
> www.lubedealer.com/salisbury
> Miami ,Fl
>
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KR> fly it in primer for ever

[Mark Jones]

The only water my airplane will repeatedly see is the humidity in the air.
Surely you guys do not believe the statement that I will fly it in primer
forever. My airplane is hangered now and as soon as the weather permits, I
will begin the task of finishing the body work and painting my plane. I
approached an airbrush artist with a design I wanted but he quoted me $5K
and I backed down. I now have other sources who would love to do the
airbrush work to have a painted airplane in their portfolio. It will only
cost me the materials and no labor.want to do the same? Go to your
local college and post an ad on the bulletin board in the art department.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html


- Original Message - 
From: "Stephen and Janet Henderson" <sp...@earthlink.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: KR> fly it in primer for ever


> Primer is not waterproof and Bondo will absorb water too. It is fine to
> wet-sand these two but it is not good for them to have repeated contact
with
> water. I am assuming that this information is correct since it was what I
> was taught when I went to auto body school.
>
> Steve Henderson
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "VIRGIL N SALISBURY" <virg...@juno.com>
> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:30 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> fly it in primer for ever
>
>
> > Painters out there??? I heard that Primer is NOT waterproof?
> > Finish coat
> >  it some way soon. Virg
> >
> > On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:06:01 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) "Dan Heath"
> > <da...@alltel.net> writes:
> > > I know what you mean.  I also know how I am and once I get this one
> > > flying,
> > > I am not going to want to stop.  That is why I am trying to be
> > > patient and
> > > get the "hard to do later" things done now.  It is taking longer,
> > > but we
> > > should be flying before May is over.
> > >
> > > Making cable attach brackets for carb, carb hear, and mixture.
> > >
> > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics
> > > There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for
> > > building
> > > has expired.
> > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
> > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering
> > > ---Original Message---
> > >
> > > I have a feeling once the weather finally lets me in the air, I may
> > > just fly
> > > it in
> > > primer for ever.
> > > ___
> > > Search the KRnet Archives at
> > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp
> > > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net
> > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL
> > www.lubedealer.com/salisbury
> > Miami ,Fl
> >
> > ___
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KR> fly it in primer for ever

[Brian Kraut]

I bought some Imron primer for my Midget Mustang about a month ago.  I had
not decided on the final paint color yet, but I wanted to get the primer
done on most of the parts early and I asked the guy at the store.  He told
me that you don't want to leave the primer on for more than a few days
before you paint.  He said that if I wanted to prime now that I should spray
a light blush coat over the primer to protect it and he handed me a can of
Krylon black spray paint to use.  He said to sand off the blush coat just
before painting and it would be fine.  I decided to just wait on the primer
until I am ready to paint because I can't imagine trying to sand off the
paint without sanding too much of the primer.  Might be fine if I was doing
the fender on a car, but not an entire aluminum airplane with sheet overlaps
and rivets.

But, keep in mind that this is one brand of primer in Florida where the
humidity is rarely under 90%.  I have heard of plenty of people flying in
Smooth Prime and other primers with no problems after painting.  As your
results will vary, check with the primer maker.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
Behalf Of VIRGIL N SALISBURY
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:31 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR> fly it in primer for ever


Painters out there??? I heard that Primer is NOT waterproof?
Finish coat
 it some way soon. Virg

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:06:01 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) "Dan Heath"
<da...@alltel.net> writes:
> I know what you mean.  I also know how I am and once I get this one
> flying,
> I am not going to want to stop.  That is why I am trying to be
> patient and
> get the "hard to do later" things done now.  It is taking longer,
> but we
> should be flying before May is over.
>
> Making cable attach brackets for carb, carb hear, and mixture.
>
> See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics
> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for
> building
> has expired.
> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering
> ---Original Message---
>
> I have a feeling once the weather finally lets me in the air, I may
> just fly
> it in
> primer for ever.
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Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL
www.lubedealer.com/salisbury
Miami ,Fl

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