Re: [lace] Three Pair Fiandra stitch
On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 07:11 PM, Nicole Gauthier wrote: Well, the ribbon is pinless, it curls on itself and the join is made by a twisted bar made with one thread. The bar is twisted with a crochet in a way that is not easy to work on a cookie pillow. To help keep the form , like in a curve, we make a picot anywhere when necessary. I googled a bit on Fiandra, learning a lot about Italian tablecloths as I tried to decipher the language, and eventually came up with this site: http://www.italiainvita.it/workshops/merletti/gorizia.html I think the lace shown in the background of the site is the fiandra that Nicole took the class in. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Current Project
On Wednesday, Jul 30, 2003, at 12:27 US/Eastern, David Collyer wrote: [...] the faces of her 3 children. I have worked this in 16 shades of grey. Now I am about half way through a lovely Toender edging in black silk 2/20 which will surround the cross stitch. Sounds like something she might want to take to her grave with her... Not exactly *cheerful* colour choices - Tamara P Duvall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Three Pair Fiandra stitch
Tamara wrote: < So, er, *how* do you make a "ribbon" with only 3 pairs? > Well, the ribbon is pinless, it curls on itself and the join is made by a twisted bar made with one thread. The bar is twisted with a crochet in a way that is not easy to work on a cookie pillow. To help keep the form , like in a curve, we make a picot anywhere when necessary. I do not know any book published on that special technique. My teachers in Italy were Michela Zongher and Gabrielle Pensabene from Gorizia. In my class were eminent people like the great Bridget Cook, Inge Theuerkauf und Christine Mirecki from Germany, Lydia, the OIDFA past president, three american ladies, a japanese lady, etc. May be something will be published on that technique in the future. I should finish soon the little mat done in the class and to those interested, I could send a picture privately. Nicole Montreal,Qc,Canada - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lace Guild Web Site update
Just mounted August update to the Lace Guild Web site. Not the magazine update (you'll have to wait a while for that) but has quite a few events updated and some new books listed. David and Jean (in Glasgow, although Jean is off to the US of A at the weekend to the IOLI lacefest - for which I even found a pic of Hasbrouck Heights - isn't Google wonderful!) -- Jean Leader Glasgow, Scotland, UK Lace Guild web site: http://www.laceguild.org - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: monetary conversion
On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 12:24 PM, Lori wrote: "Mr. Dodge was making a note to remind himself that lace was owed to him as payment for the debt. What is even more interesting about this entry is that the gentleman purchasing the chintz needed five weeks to return with the lace in hand. In all likelihood he needed the five weeks for the women in his household to produce the lace to pay the debt. The cost of the chintz was one pound, three shillings, four pence. This would have been a comfortable debt to pay with lace valued at approximately eighteen shillings per yard." . . The period was 1768, in Ipswich, Massachusetts Colony. This is in a newly published book about the Ipswich Lace Industry which was from 1750 - 1840. I don't know about the purchasing power of the shilling in the American Colonies, but according to Colin R Chapman's "How Heavy, How Much and How Long?" a shilling in England in 1750 equated to a skilled worker's daily wage or four miles' travel in winter in a stage coach, and in 1760 one shilling was the daily wage of a husbandman. Since most lace makers were women and women nearly always earned considerably less than men (and had to look after the home and children as well) it's reasonable to assume that it would have taken rather more than 18 woman days to make that lace, so 5 weeks does sound about right. Incidentally the book also states that in 1757 a quartern loaf (4lbs weight) cost 7.5 old pennies. That's 0.625 shillings; more than half a day's wage. Things have changed a lot since then and comparative values are difficult to assess. Food used to account for a huge part of an ordinary worker's income, but housing was relatively cheap. Nowadays we expect cheap basic foods but accept that housing costs a great deal, especially for the younger generation who have huge mortgages just to get on to the housing ladder. We also expect to travel a lot further than four miles for a day's wages. Lace was always a luxury item though, and if you could afford such frivolities you weren't too bothered about how much the next meal would cost. Brenda http://users.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ Supporting the [EMAIL PROTECTED] campaign - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Richard Gravestock pricker
thanks for the offer - I'm going to go to Tonbridge - come what may!! Regards Liz Beecher Vivista Limited * www.vivista.co.uk/ * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Annette Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 July 2003 10:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [lace] Richard Gravestock pricker I notice that Richard Gravestock will be at the Tonbridge Lace Fair in October. If you haven't got a replacement by then and can't get to that fair, I'd be happy to get one and send it to you. If they're that good, I'll get one (or two!) for myself! Regards, Annette >> Who is in mourning because her Richard Gravestock pricker >>has grown legs and walked and she can't get another one. >> >Yes, I am really sad that he doesn't mail order prickers. > His is by far the most comfortable one I have ever used, > and I shall be distraught if I ever lose it >Sue Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ This message has been checked for all known viruses on behalf of Vivista by MessageLabs. http://www.messagelabs.com or Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivista formerly Securicor Information Systems for further information http://www.vivista.co.uk ** The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the individuals named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you should be aware that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding or other duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. The views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual author and not necessarily those of Vivista Limited. Prior to taking any action based upon this e-mail message you should seek appropriate confirmation of its authenticity. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the e-mail reply facility. ** _ This message has been checked for all known viruses on behalf of Vivista by MessageLabs. http://www.messagelabs.com or Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivista formerly Securicor Information Systems for further information http://www.vivista.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Fan Sticks
Hi, No, I have not made a torchon fan. Yes, I have the Ann Collier Fan book. It has beautiful pictures in but it is not all bobbin lace. There are needle lace ones as I remember. It is a nice book to look through. My wallpaper paste is not discolored but it did not hold in a couple of places even after sticking twice. When I send emails to Arachne I use: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Janice Barbara Gordon wrote: > Hi Janice, Welcome home! I have been reading some of the messages in > lace-digest about fans. Is this your fan? > Do you have the book by Ann Colliers "Lace Fans" and if you do is it > a good one. > > I now have two fan sticks med and large. Not like the one in this > picture so probably got them from a different source. Actually when I > was given the name of someone to order from I thought it was from the > person who made the one shown above. A member of my group made a fan > now about 15 years ago and attached it with wallpaper paste and it is > still on and not discolored at all. I receive the lace-digest, but > have not replied back with anything in a very long time and now when I > wanted to I have no clue what the address is for posting. Could you > help me out with this? Don't mean to impose on you to much hear, but I > am trying to get things going again for myself in the bobbin lace > field. Thanks,[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA A mistake is simply another way of doing things. Katherine Graham - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] summer/winter projects
My very long term project is a quilting pattern from the 1930's of Ann Orr's - a basket of flowers - which I'm working in Honiton lace - I found a while back that the old quilting patterns that were produced as prick & pounce iron-on patterns have the dot spacings exactly right for Honiton. I haven't a clue how many years it will take - mostly it is the ongoing project for Christine Hawken's weekend classes with the Bradwell Abbey Lacemakers in Milton Keynes (UK) in May and October each year. On my travel pillow - bought at OIDFA last year, one of the Finnish ones from the stand next to us (I was on The Lace Guild's stand for the whole weekend) - definitely my favourite roller pillow, even if it did cost more than I would have paid in a non-captive environment! - is the torchon type edging for the lower edge of a full length petticoat I have cut out ready to make up once the lace is done. The pattern requires 1.5 yards of lace half an inch wide to go round the top edge, and 2.5 yards of 1 inch wide (or so) to go round the bottom. I couldn't find any commercial lace of similar pattern in the two widths, so I decided to make it instead. I used one of the first set of the Retournac patterns (it is the edging with the zig-zag trail of half and cloth stitch, spiders and a wavy half stitch headside) - adapted it to two different widths, and having got the narrow edging (the wavy edge, ground and foot) finished very quickly, am now about a yard into the wider edging (having taken one zig-zag trail, Dieppe ground on either side, and wavy edge) - one and a half yards to go, then its back to the sewing machine. As I will be demonstrating in a week's time, I decided to have something different to work on. Remember my Hearts and Flowers Snowflake in Lace (? two years ago) - this is a bookmark, similar shaped flowers but a 52 degree grid, with just as many loopy gimps - I must be mad! Flowers, leaf shaped leaves and stems (worked with gimps) possibly a little bit like the red bookmark at the back of the Australian Point Ground book I have (haven't looked at it to check, but it is at the back of my mind) - seems to be working OK so far. Then I look at the back of the renewal slip for the Canadian Lacemaker Gazette - eeks! Bev wants to know how many pillows I have - I'm sure to find something else... like the beginner strip of cloth stitch on one (for demos and exhibition purposes), the length of half stitch worked by a student who could only make it to one lesson (pity, she was doing very well).. and I will need to add up how many pillows are out on loan at the moment! Add to that the thick book of crosswords, the quilted cushion panel, the petticoat (when the lace is done) and the fact that I am working (secretarial temping) on a part time basis again, besides my one day a week teaching... well, the housework will have to wait! -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] summer/winter projects
Hi Bev and all other busy spiders, I'm back at the pillow and have started making the logarithmic lace I was asking about. For this project, I had to clear a lot of bobbins, so in order not to waste too much thread , at least, I managed to finish some old projects. It was a good idea to get rid of all the old thread on my bobbins because after finishing this part of my project my hands were black. All I do right now is constantly wind bobbins. I do hope that I won't run oput of thread in the middle, that will really be a shame since I chose some Madeira cotona which I have for a long time already. The reel is new , so at least I know I have about 200 meters. Oh, Bev, I'm so glad you gave me a bobbin at the NWP convention. It might be just the one I need to have enough bobbins on my pillow (). I must add, that I did finish some chrysanthemum lace. It is half a mat which I found in the Kant magazine. I made it just in order to get back into lace making again. But the half looks just as good as the whole project. Well, I have plenty of plans, but now it is back to the logarithmic lace. I do want to concentrate on it and finish it. At least I won't be able to start anything else since all my bobbins are being used in this piece. Well, coming to think of it, I could do some wire lace. I got three kits from Lenka or I could do some Milanese with my square bobbins or how about some Honiton.? So all of you have a nice summer /winter and make a lot of lace, Miriam in Arad, 23 kms from the Dead Sea and about 1000 meters over it. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] exhibition of lace and other crafts
If any of you are passing through Dorset in the next few days you might like to visit the 89th Dorset Arts and Crafts Show. It's on until Tuesday 5th August at Bovington Middle School. There will be all manner of crafts on display as well as suppliers, although probably not lace suppliers. It's a super place to buy early, original, Christmas presents and there will most likely be Dorset button kits on sale. For those members of the family not interested in crafts the venue is within a mile or two of Monkey World, a rescue centre for all kind of primates. In the other direction is the largest collection of army tanks at Bovington Tank Museum and not far away is the cottage where Lawrence of Arabia lived as T E Shaw - all these are places worth a visit if you have time. Finally, the catering is pretty good too or you can bring a picnic. Liz Pass in Poole, Dorset. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date: 14/7/03 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Pounds, shillings and pence
We went decimal when I was about 3 but my mum and dad would still refer to paying with 2 bob (12 old pence - 10 new pence) and the old florin (2 bob) was still in use and equal to 10 new pence until the mid 70s I believe Regards Liz Beecher -Original Message- From: David Collyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 July 2003 17:34 To: Annette Gill; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [lace] Pounds, shillings and pence >Dear Annette, >As far as slang is concerned, a tanner was sixpence and a bob was a >shilling. That's most interesting. Of course the amounts were the same in Australia. However, for us a threepence (pronounced thruppence) was a "tray" and a sixpence was a "zack". Like you, our shilling was a "bob". The pound was a "quid", and although we knew 2 shillings (written 2/-) was a florin, we always called it "2 bob". I can remember back around 1959 when Greensborough, the Melbourne suburb in which I was dragged up, got it's first fish and chip shop, 2 bob's worth of chips was ample to feed Mum and Dad and the 5 kids. If we wanted potato cakes (scallops in NSW) they were a penny ha'penny each, and a piece of Flake (shark) was a shilling. David in Ballarat >That's about all I can remember (actually, I'm not old enough to remember >farthings, since they were withdrawn when I was about 3 years old, but I >have seen them - I think they had a robin on the back). > >Regards, >Annette > > >Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! >Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ >- >To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: >unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ This message has been checked for all known viruses on behalf of Vivista by MessageLabs. http://www.messagelabs.com or Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivista formerly Securicor Information Systems for further information http://www.vivista.co.uk ** The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the individuals named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you should be aware that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding or other duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. The views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual author and not necessarily those of Vivista Limited. Prior to taking any action based upon this e-mail message you should seek appropriate confirmation of its authenticity. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the e-mail reply facility. ** _ This message has been checked for all known viruses on behalf of Vivista by MessageLabs. http://www.messagelabs.com or Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivista formerly Securicor Information Systems for further information http://www.vivista.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Starch??
At 01:04 PM 7/31/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I have just finished a small motiff and want to frame it. I'm afraid it >will lose it's shape once I remove it from my pillow and am wondering how to >starch it. Does anyone have any advice/ideas?? I think that you need to remove it from the pillow and see how it does before worrying. You didn't say anything about the kind of thread or style of lace or density of the lace. All these things will affect how firm or soft a finished piece is. If it is going to be framed, it would have to be mounted on a backing. Sewing it to the backing would provide support, and you did say 'small'. It wouldn't have great size or weight to sag. (My experience with the lace items basted to fabric for my lace exhibit, where it hung for two months, was that the only item that sagged was a large knitted lace cloth.) Generally, I use starch only on three dimentional items, such as Christmas ornaments or shaped flowers. For anything that is flat, the natural tension of cotton or linen seems to be enough. I haven't done much with silk, so someone else can speak up about that. For the items that I do starch, I pin them out on a piece of cardboard covered with plastic wrap or wax paper. For convenience, I use a spray can of heavy duty starch. Spray, let dry, test. If not stiff enough for the purpose of the item, spray again, and so forth. The pins used for starching are kept in a separate packet labeled 'starch pins'. You can't use them for regular lace again without washing them. Use starch only as a last resort. Mounting it to the backing most likely will be all the support that is needed. Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon - 40 demo hours in 4 days sweltering at the fair. Oregon Country Lacemakers Arachne Secret Pal Administrator Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Starch??
If you're going to frame it, why are you stiffening it? You're going to have to tack it to the (presumably fabric) backing in order to be able to tilt the frame upright and not have it fall to the bottom. It's not like you're hanging the piece loose in a window--it'll be protected from poking/handling by the frame and glass, and tacking it to the fabric will keep it spread properly out. Anything you use for stiffening, whether starch or something else, will attract insects or will discolor or will otherwise risk harming the piece, so I'd recommend not doing so when it's not necessary. just my 3 cents, Robin P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA http://www.pittsburghlace.8m.com -Original Message- From: Johanna Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have just finished a small motiff and want to frame it. I'm afraid it will lose it's shape once I remove it from my pillow and am wondering how to starch it. Does anyone have any advice/ideas?? - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Starch???????
Johanna wrote: Haven't tried it myself, so I don't know what the long-term effect might be on discolouration, or whether it can be washed out, but craft and some fabric shops sell fabric stiffener which can be used neat for a cardboard-like effect or diluted for less stiffness. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Starch??
I have just finished a small motiff and want to frame it. I'm afraid it will lose it's shape once I remove it from my pillow and am wondering how to starch it. Does anyone have any advice/ideas?? Johanna - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Current and recent projects
I'm actually between projects now, having just finished a wire pendant based on a piece of binche (?) coronation lace that was in the Allhallows lace exhibition last year--members of the yahoo continentallace group will know the lace I mean! I posted a picture of the pendant at the photo section of that group and sent a longer discussion of how I made it to that group--you can read the post at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/continentallace/message/149 and you can follow the Photos link to "Sue's photos", where the photo is posted (I'm not sure if non-members can see the photographs, though). Part of me wants to back up and do some more binche or related lace in linen thread, but with most of my bobbins wound with silver wire I'll probably go on making jewelry ! Best wishes, Sue. Susan Lambiris Raleigh, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Current Project
David - I thought I remember that you already did Miss Channer's mat a couple of years ago! But then since at that time I was a menopausal blonde, who knows?!?! (I'm still blonde!) Best - Linda, the string-a-holic in Oregon where we're in the middle of a heat wave. Monday was 100F in Portland - a record! -Original Message- From: David Collyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:47 PM Subject: [lace] Current Project >Dear Friends, >I am currently working on a project for my sister's 60th birthday in Oct - >don't tell her anyone!! She's in Hobart, Tasmania. > >First I designed a 4" (10cm) square cross stitch (100 sts each way) of the >faces of her 3 children. I have worked this in 16 shades of grey. Now I am >about half way through a lovely Toender edging in black silk 2/20 which >will surround the cross stitch. > >Maybe after that I will start either Miss Channers Mat or that lovely >Binche Pompadour lace. >David Downunder in Ballarat - where it's absolutely freezing with snow, >hail and sleet galore. >- >To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: >unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] >--- >[This E-mail Scanned for viruses by Onlinemac.com] > > --- [This E-mail Scanned for viruses by Onlinemac.com] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Monetary conversion site
Whilst the lsd shillings to pounds would still work, unfortunately as it is the US at that time I have no idea what the buying power of a pound would be. Um ... in 1768 the US didn't exist, I believe they were still an English colony. So I would guess that they were using the same monetary system England was. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] summer/winter lace projects
> And what's on > >your pillow now? > My pillow (s) have lace that I am making for my church's altar. I have a Torchon pattern for yards of lace to put on the Altar cloth and I am doing a series of Bruge Bloemwork crosses for the lectern. I have to have one of the crosses done before I leave Friday for IOLI. So what am I doing on the computer?? Dianne in Dunlap - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Punto fiandra
>>>From: Nicole Gauthier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are right, Tamara, Punto Fiandra di Gorizia is not Flanders. They call the flander stitch the ribbon formed with 3 pairs of bobbins. <<< In Maltese lace there's a stitch called "Punto Inglizi" (spelling approximate), or "English stitch". Not like anything I've seen in English laces, just a name for a stitch. Perhaps, many years ago, some English lacemaker taught a Maltese lacemaker an interesting ground/filling and it caught on in the Maltese islands. Something similar could be the source of "Flanders stitch". Robin P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA http://www.pittsburghlace.8m.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Current Project
Dear Friends, I am currently working on a project for my sister's 60th birthday in Oct - don't tell her anyone!! She's in Hobart, Tasmania. First I designed a 4" (10cm) square cross stitch (100 sts each way) of the faces of her 3 children. I have worked this in 16 shades of grey. Now I am about half way through a lovely Toender edging in black silk 2/20 which will surround the cross stitch. Maybe after that I will start either Miss Channers Mat or that lovely Binche Pompadour lace. David Downunder in Ballarat - where it's absolutely freezing with snow, hail and sleet galore. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Pounds, shillings and pence
Dear Annette, As far as slang is concerned, a tanner was sixpence and a bob was a shilling. That's most interesting. Of course the amounts were the same in Australia. However, for us a threepence (pronounced thruppence) was a "tray" and a sixpence was a "zack". Like you, our shilling was a "bob". The pound was a "quid", and although we knew 2 shillings (written 2/-) was a florin, we always called it "2 bob". I can remember back around 1959 when Greensborough, the Melbourne suburb in which I was dragged up, got it's first fish and chip shop, 2 bob's worth of chips was ample to feed Mum and Dad and the 5 kids. If we wanted potato cakes (scallops in NSW) they were a penny ha'penny each, and a piece of Flake (shark) was a shilling. David in Ballarat That's about all I can remember (actually, I'm not old enough to remember farthings, since they were withdrawn when I was about 3 years old, but I have seen them - I think they had a robin on the back). Regards, Annette Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Monetary conversion site
Lorri, Whilst the lsd shillings to pounds would still work, unfortunately as it is the US at that time I have no idea what the buying power of a pound would be. sorry Regards Liz Beecher -Original Message- From: Lorri Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 July 2003 05:55 To: Liz Beecher; lace arachne Subject: Re: [lace] Monetary conversion site Liz Thank you for your reply. The period is 1768, in Ipswich, Mass. Colony. So obviously we are talking about the old pound. The text goes on to say he (at another time in the same period) "purchased 2 more skeins of thread for 2 shillings, six pence. Since lace is made from this thread, such purchases indicate that this household was engaged in lace making. The book "The Laces of Ipswich" is about the only real 'hand-made lace industry' we have had in this country - this lasted from 1750 - 1840. It is a new book written by Marta Cotterell Raffel, ISBN 1-58465-163-6. It would be very interesting to know what other items cost during this same period. Lorri - Original Message - From: "Liz Beecher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Lorri Ferguson'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lace arachne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 10:50 PM Subject: RE: [lace] Monetary conversion site > < would have been a comfortable debt to pay with lace valued at > approximately > eighteen shillings per yard.">> > > One pound = one pound > three shillings = 15 new pence > four pence = 1.6 new pence > > Therefore it equals one pound, 16.6 new pence. > > > 1 shilling = 5 new pence > > Therefore 18 shillings = 90 new pence (there are 20 shillings to the old > pound and 100 new pence to the new pound) > > If you let me know what the date they are talking about in the book is I > may > be able to equate that to a workman's wage > > > Regards > > Liz Beecher > > > ** > The information contained in this e-mail message is intended > only for the individuals named above. If you are not the > intended recipient, you should be aware that any > dissemination, distribution, forwarding or other duplication > of this communication is strictly prohibited. The views > expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual author > and not necessarily those of Vivista Limited. > Prior to taking any action based upon this e-mail message > you should seek appropriate confirmation of its authenticity. > If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately > notify the sender by using the e-mail reply facility. > ** > > > _ > > This message has been checked for all known viruses on behalf of Vivista > by MessageLabs. > > http://www.messagelabs.com or Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Vivista formerly Securicor Information Systems for further information > http://www.vivista.co.uk > > _ This message has been checked for all known viruses on behalf of Vivista by MessageLabs. http://www.messagelabs.com or Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivista formerly Securicor Information Systems for further information http://www.vivista.co.uk ** The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the individuals named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you should be aware that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding or other duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. The views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual author and not necessarily those of Vivista Limited. Prior to taking any action based upon this e-mail message you should seek appropriate confirmation of its authenticity. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the e-mail reply facility. ** _ This message has been checked for all known viruses on behalf of Vivista by MessageLabs. http://www.messagelabs.com or Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivista formerly Securicor Information Systems for further information http://www.vivista.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] summer/winter lace projects
Ann, I think what you are doing is a fantasic thing - I am sure your children will treasure anything you make. I'd love to know what pattern you are using. As to creaky gates and not - my dad has had his gate status changed but he is working on the principle that Bloody Mindedness can preserve you forever - it's worked so far!! Regards Liz Beecher -Original Message- From: ann DURANT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 July 2003 01:02 To: Bev Walker; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [lace] summer/winter lace projects Hi, all This is going to sound rather gloomy/pessimistic/stupid. I have spent the first 7 months of this year making the lace for 2 heirloom table cloths, and shall spend the next 5 months (God willing!) making the lace for a third. Until I have done all three and mounted them, I am not going to do anything else! The reason? Up until a couple of years ago I had every intention of living forever, with all my faculties (of course!) - even after my first heart attack, when the consultant told me that I was a creaking gate and would go on for ever. The second 'slight' heart attack had me in hospital for a month, during which time I had a double coronary bypass, and lost my 'creaking gate' status. The problem is that I have three children, and every one will have to have an heirloom - hence the three cloths. I just started the lace for the third this evening - and for light relief I am halfway through mounting the first. Ann in Manchester, UK - Original Message - From: "Bev Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 12:48 AM Subject: [lace] summer/winter lace projects - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ This message has been checked for all known viruses on behalf of Vivista by MessageLabs. http://www.messagelabs.com or Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivista formerly Securicor Information Systems for further information http://www.vivista.co.uk ** The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the individuals named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you should be aware that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding or other duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. The views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual author and not necessarily those of Vivista Limited. Prior to taking any action based upon this e-mail message you should seek appropriate confirmation of its authenticity. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the e-mail reply facility. ** _ This message has been checked for all known viruses on behalf of Vivista by MessageLabs. http://www.messagelabs.com or Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivista formerly Securicor Information Systems for further information http://www.vivista.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Lace fans
Yep, I'm ordering one from him until I can get to a lace fair and buy one from Richard Gravestock Regards Liz Beecher Vivista Limited * www.vivista.co.uk/ * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Carol Adkinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 July 2003 21:34 To: Sue Babbs; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [lace] Lace fans Hi All, I also am a great fan of Richard, but wonder if those of you mourning the fact that he doesn't send sharp objects out in the post have tried Richard Ives' Goodies. He does several prickers - the long slender ones, and the ones with a round globe-shaped handle - they are also beautifully made, and works of art! (He used to trade under the name of Jennrich Designs, if that rings any bells with you all, but now they are just Richard and Jenny Ives.) Take care of yourselves, Carol - in a very wet and stormy Suffolk, UK - Original Message - - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ This message has been checked for all known viruses on behalf of Vivista by MessageLabs. http://www.messagelabs.com or Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivista formerly Securicor Information Systems for further information http://www.vivista.co.uk ** The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the individuals named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you should be aware that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding or other duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. The views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual author and not necessarily those of Vivista Limited. Prior to taking any action based upon this e-mail message you should seek appropriate confirmation of its authenticity. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the e-mail reply facility. ** _ This message has been checked for all known viruses on behalf of Vivista by MessageLabs. http://www.messagelabs.com or Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivista formerly Securicor Information Systems for further information http://www.vivista.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Adhesives for fans
Evostick - there are two types of evostick -the one that shoe repairers use to stick soles on shoes (red) - DO NOT USE THIS - it turns dark brown and stains and damages your lace. and the green evow - which is used for woodwork and is a pva glue. From discussions with a couple of people when I made my first fan leaf (yet to be mounted some 10 years later) - the Green EvoW or Evowood or any good PVA is really good to prime the part of the fan stick that you wish to attach the lace too. All you do is water th PVA glue down to half and half glue water or even a little less and paint a fine layer onto the part of the fan stick that you wish to attach the fan to - because wood is porous the glue seals the wood and gives a better 'stick'. This principle is used to seal plaster before painting or even, as my dad did, seal the garage floor to make it water proof. However, it works just as well with fabric. Hopes this helps - when it comes to glue Dad and I are quite expert - it's just sticking the fan leaf to the fan sticks that I'm frighted off. If you are in the uk, creative beadcraft used to do a nice pva glue which you could stick beads to fabric with - I'm not sure if they still do - they do have a website - just search by their company name Regards Liz Beecher -Original Message- From: Jean Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 July 2003 09:38 To: Lace Subject: [lace] Adhesives for fans Jeri and I have exchanged a couple of emails following my email to the list about Nancy Armstrong, which she thought should be posted to the list . So here's the whole thing in chronoligical order: >From Jean: ** The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the individuals named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you should be aware that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding or other duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. The views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual author and not necessarily those of Vivista Limited. Prior to taking any action based upon this e-mail message you should seek appropriate confirmation of its authenticity. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the e-mail reply facility. ** _ This message has been checked for all known viruses on behalf of Vivista by MessageLabs. http://www.messagelabs.com or Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivista formerly Securicor Information Systems for further information http://www.vivista.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Joan Kelly and her patterns
Jacqui, Does anyone still stock her patterns? Regards Liz Beecher Vivista Limited * www.vivista.co.uk/ * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jacqui Southworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 July 2003 07:23 To: Liz Beecher Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [lace] Joan Kelly and her patterns On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:14:03 +0100, you wrote: >Guys, > >Does anyone know if Joan Kelly is still designing patterns? I have some >excellent and unusual designs from her such as a lace basket and hair slide >as well as some great ovals. I must have bought them from her at the >Springetts event in 91 or 92. > >Regards > >Liz Beecher > Hi Liz - Joan Kelly is not designing patterns any more. I agree that she did wonderful torchon designs - her book of six bookmarks kept me busy for ages when I first started making lace, and I used to sell her patterns when I started my business in the early 90's. ttfn Jacqui Jacqui Southworth, Fleetwood, Lancs, England [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Larkholme Lace - Bobbin Lace Supplies, painted bobbins and tools,books www.larkholmelace.co.uk *** New 'Precious metal' bobbins, 'Jewel' bobbins *** _ This message has been checked for all known viruses on behalf of Vivista by MessageLabs. http://www.messagelabs.com or Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivista formerly Securicor Information Systems for further information http://www.vivista.co.uk ** The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the individuals named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you should be aware that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding or other duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. The views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual author and not necessarily those of Vivista Limited. Prior to taking any action based upon this e-mail message you should seek appropriate confirmation of its authenticity. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the e-mail reply facility. ** _ This message has been checked for all known viruses on behalf of Vivista by MessageLabs. http://www.messagelabs.com or Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivista formerly Securicor Information Systems for further information http://www.vivista.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] summer/winter lace projects
Hi Bev, I enjoyed reading your article in the new Lace Guild magazine. Thankyou. I rather wish you hadn't started this trail about lace projects though, I'm feeling guilty. At the beginning of the year I had cleared all of the pillows with work on them, vowing not to have more than one project on the go at a time, (well perhaps two at a pinch) How are the mighty fallen, pride comes before a fall, etc. etc. While I was waiting for my recent operation I thought a largish project would take my mind off things. I started Geraldine Stotts 'Torchon Waterlily' pattern. It didn't work. I found tthat I couldn't give it the necessary concentration, so I put it to one side and made my rainbow pincushions instead. When I came back from hospital, I still felt that I couldn't go back to the water-lily, but I wanted to make some lace and decided traditional torchom was the answer. One of Biggins patterns was calling me. Now it is large, one that is a wide, full lace rectangular mat. You work down one side, round the bottom and up the other side sewing in as you go. I spent quite a bit of time planning how this could be made on my existing pillow. I have a large one with big movable blocks and I worked out how I could do it without moving the lace. As I worked down the first side and came to start the turn, I spent more and more time pondering the position of the lace on this pillow until now when i am halfway around the turn I know that it is not going to work like that and I am going to have to move it and it has 64 pairs of bobbins!!! Scream. Then it was our monthly lace meeting a couple of weeks ago and I could not pack up and take either of those pillows so I have started one of Cathy Belvilles Chrysanthemum Lace patterns, but at the meeting taking with one of the other members we decided that we must plan for a class we are teaching on Milanese lace so I have now started a sample for that. Four pillows now. No more. I have run out of places to stack them. It's a good job I thnk that I cannot go to the IOLI convention Jean in Cleveland U.K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 12:48 AM, Bev Walker wrote: Hi all For those not going over lists and checking them twice to go to convention, how're things, lace-wise? Everyone cool enough (or warm enough or tepid enough - this is hemisphere friendly) to do lace? And what's on your pillow now? Let's fill in the time until convention reports come our way... - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] "Technique of Bucks Point Lace"
I keep a complete record of what I buy on ebay, and in September last year I bought a copy of "The Technique of Bucks Point Lace" for 14 pounds 50 pence (plus postage). Having a small snake in my pocket (what DH describes as naturally tight with money) I was outbid on a couple of copies before that. Depends on how many people want it at the time. Don't get carried away on ebay. Set your maximum and stick to it. Another copy of what you're looking for will come up some time. Do you really want it right now? A couple of years ago I paid 20 pounds each for two of Veronica Sorenson's older books. Now you can pick them up for between 5 pounds and 10 pounds. I always check out if the secondhand dealers have the book and what they're charging through http://www.abebooks.com (or http://www.abebooks.co.uk in the UK because you can get the UK sellers listed first) before deciding whether to bid or buy from one of the secondhand book sellers. There are currently four copies of this book listed, all in the UK. Two at 20 pounds, one at 45 pounds and one at 49 pounds 50 - that last two from the same seller, with not a lot of difference in the description of the condition. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
