Re: [lace] Out of Print Books
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:46:42 EDT, Liz in London wrote: >I was just wandering through the lace books on Amazon making up my birthday >wish list for the Aussie and had a bit of a shock - I have a copy of Lace: >Australian Wild Flowers in Point Ground by Elwyn Kenn which I bought when it first >came out. There is a copy for sale on Amazon which is being offered by an >American seller at ... >... take a deep breath and sit down . >150 pounds sterling >I mean it's a lovely book and all but > >I'm off to lock my copy away quickly I still carry a small stock of this book - it's available in the US from Robin and Russ. They still have quite a large list of lace books for sale - check out their web page, then call them - quite a few on the list are no longer available, but lots are still. http://www.robinandruss.com Don't get ripped off by this seller. ttfn Jacqui Jacqui Southworth, Fleetwood, Lancs, England [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Larkholme Lace - Bobbin Lace Supplies, painted bobbins and tools,books www.larkholmelace.co.uk ***New lower prices for 'Jewel' and 'Precious Metal' bobbins *** - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Lace-tour 3 and end
Dear All On Friday evening I came home after 16 nights in hospital being treated for the Hospital Super Bug MRSA (with mixed success!), and found that my daughter, although very computer literate (it's her job, for goodness sakes!) had not managed to follow through my "UNSUBSCRIBE" message, and I had 388 e-mails waiting, of which this was one. This reminded me of the film "Shakespeare in Love", based on a very funny book, by Brahms and Simon, called "No bed for Bacon". Queen Elizabeth I used to Progress around the country, wearing her high, lacy, ruffs (there's the lace content!) and sleeping at stopovers, enabling her hosts to put up signs stating "Queen Elizabeth slept here". I was very amused at the thought of a similar sign stating "The Emperor Napolean did NOT sleep here!" - Original Message - From: "Ilske und Peter Thomsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... On the first floor is a big exhibition about Napoleon including a bed in which he never slept because he preferred his campbed - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Haven't a clue!
This is for Teneriffe. The metal prongs control the little pins around the edge of the metal circle at the top. I have a smaller one, but can't think of the name for it right now. Wish me luck, hope I win it! Sumac At 10:48 AM 8/22/04, Diana Smith wrote: Does anyone have any idea what this ebay item was used for? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12&item=3743621864&rd=1 Diana in Northamptonshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Susan G. MacLeodDummerston, VT USA NATA #69 new! www.sumac.us www.sover.net/~sumac - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] RE:spidery fabric
Hi Spidees, Coming out of lurksville for a few minutes. My first Brugge flower is well on it's way. It's the first flower on a mat (pattern from the Brugge Bloemwork video.) Whe! I'm really excited. This will be my first large piece of lace. I'm taking it with me to demo lacemaking at the State Fair. My first demo, so I'm pretty nervous! I have to look like I know what I'm doing!!! LOL Okay. I went to the quilt shop to pick up some fat quarters & I found a fabric that was deep blues with gold spider webs and weeny peeny orange spiders. It's quite pretty so I'm going to make heart pillows as a door prizes at the lace guild meeting. I'm keeping one for myself and will add a tatted edging. Anyway, if you have a quilt shop & want spidery fabric, they may have some. Another shop had black fabric with spider webs done in multi-colored dots. Not pretty, but fun. I checked Hobby Lobby and JoAnn's, but all the fabrics with spider webs were see-through fabrics. I have yet to see the gorgeous & now famous read with black webs that was used for the pin cushions you lucky Arachnes did with the added laces. Those were the first Arachne photo's I'd seen & I'm still impressed by the lace edgings. Well, work to do then home to work on my mat, although that's not really "work". Mary _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Tess & Prof work on ebay
Is there any evidence that the piraters have actually sold any of these CD's. How much money have they actually made? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fwd: (Ne)Tina, ah, (Ne)Tina...
Hello Tamara My mistake it was also for the group to read, don't know why I didn't. True, richt people also did a lot of embroidery, tatting, bobbin lace painting etc. but just for fun but with a lot of interest put into it. Our roalty are very creativ, Queen Alexandra was marrid to Christian the 10, Our queen Margrethes grandmother, was making bobbin Lace, and her pillow in now in Tonder, Droesens Hus, On Rosenborg, ther is a cabinet, and when it is opend there is a lath, in it, the person was turning in bone, I can't remember who, ore wether it was a he ore a she. Our queens mother made a lot of embroidery, so did Magrethe, and she is also painting, and developed patterns for embroidery, made kostumes to fairy tails of H.C. Andersen to the ballet. - Original Message - From: "Tamara P. Duvall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lace Arachne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 6:08 AM Subject: [lace] Fwd: (Ne)Tina, ah, (Ne)Tina... > The following - from Dorte - came to my personal inbox... But I think > it's of intrest to everyone on Arachne-tech, so am forwarding. My > comment (of course! ) at the end. > > > From: "Dorte Zielke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: August 21, 2004 4:03:05 EDT > > >> It hadn't even occured to me - when reading Dorte's message - to > >> wonder > >> what would happen, if the teacher made a mistake in that first > >> repeat... :) > >> > > If you get to see old lace, and use a strong magnifying glass, you will > > discover many mistakes, When the lacer hat to live by doing lace, it > > had to > > be laced quickly, to earn, not to mucht time to undo, the tallies are > > not > > perfect, I was recontructing a pattern, photo copy from Tonder museum, > > there was a row off holes, and I couldn't understand why the pairs > > wouldn't > > match above and beneath that row, I keept having either a hole to > > mutch ore > > not enough pairs, until it was discovert, the prick distance was smaler > > beneath that row, that is becourse they were not so lucky to have this > > graph > > paper as we have now, there for it was so difficult to find out that > > problem. There is many mistakes in the old lace but no one that didn't > > have > > anything to do with lace would notice. And we usualy say as long you > > do the > > same mistake in all of your sections it becomes the pattern, it is no > > more a > > mistake, but one section with the right stich is then a mistake. > > Dorte > > Dorte's "When the lacer had to live by doing lace, it had to be laced > quickly" [...] reminded me of my class (workshop) on Flanders, with > Michael Giusiana (Ithaca, '97?)... Throughout the class, Michael kept > trying to stop us from retro-lacing and correcting mistakes; "You do > not have the time to go back and correct", he'd say. "Your children are > at home, crying hungry", he'd say. "Every minute you make lace counts, > as does every minute you spend undoing it", he'd say. > > Finally, I had enough of the image of the empty throats waiting to be > stuffed... When he caught me at my 2nd or 3rd retro-effort and repeated > all th reasons against such, I looked up from my pillow and - bold as > brass - said: "I married *rich*; I do this for pleasure"... > > Even in the "old days" there were people who made lace because they > enjoyed it, not because they had to. In the (many ) Danish and > Swedish museums that Vibeke took me to in '01, I saw a lot of paintings > with textiles (not always lace) in them. Mostly, it was the rich who > *wore* the fancy stuff, true... But, the *only* couple where both the > man *and* the woman looked contented instead of sour-faced...? The > woman had a needle in her hand, and was crafting a piece of lace... > Since a postcard of the painting was available, I couldn't resist > sending it to DH - what *better* excuse do I need for being "always at > your knitting"? > --- > Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd > Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) >Healthy US through The No-CARB Diet: > no C-heney, no A-shcroft, no R-umsfeld, no B-ush. > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fwd: (Ne)Tina, ah, (Ne)Tina...
In a message dated 8/23/2004 12:09:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When he caught me at my 2nd or 3rd retro-effort and repeated all th reasons against such, I looked up from my pillow and - bold as brass - said: "I married *rich*; I do this for pleasure"... Perhaps another response would be that you make lace for the most discriminating clientele. I can't imagine that poor quality would be tolerated in lace intended for royalty or aristocracy. In fact, in Tina, Mr. Le Fort is quite angry to hear that there is a mistake in the lace. Later he pleads with Tina to return to Belgium to help complete a special lace commission for the princess. Admitting that the writer may not have known much about lace making, it is nonetheless interesting to note that Tina has actually been taken into the house of a member of the aristocracy where her job is to do nothing but mend lace all day. She is being paid $40 a week and all of her living expenses. At the Metropolitan Museum of Art we have pieces of lace that have been so artfully mended that it is staggering to think how long it must have taken to do it. It is certainly a tribute to how highly the lace was valued. A great deal of our information about lacemakers and their economic conditions come from the period when lace was in decline, after the introduction of machinery. I often wonder if the extrapolation of these poor economic conditions back in time is actually justified. In the Despierres book on the Alencon industry, I believe she gives some figures that indicate that lacemaking was relatively well-paid compared to other female occupations and that lacemakers were considered desirable wives because of this. Alencon was a very luxurious fabric. I can't imagine it brought the high prices it did if mistakes were routinely made and left in. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Spidercloth "raffle"
Yay!! SPIDERS! *starts bouncing in over-tired joy (very long weekend) >... And I > have to say that God > must be listening even to atheists (amusement > value?); I'd hoped most > of the winners would come from the non-US area (ie, > non-WalMart area), > and they *did*... :) Well, for what little it's worth, the few times I've been in WallyWorld (Wallmart) I've looked for but never found any spider or lace related fabric. Maybe I just have exceptionally bad timing. But I wanted to reassure that there is at least some justice in picking the American. :D Frankly, I need the inspiration. I've been staring at a practice piece - I'm haphazardly working on how to do renaissance yardage freehand - but I'm feeling the need to have an actual project to work on start to finish. Time to go dig through the patterns and find something I like but never thought I could do - and then learn to do it! Chris - Don't mind me, I'm just very scatterbrained today :) = . |\_ "Eagles may soar, (:> _)Xbut weasels don't get |/ sucked into jet engines!" __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Spidercloth "raffle"
For all of you who seek spidercloth, I have found a bolt of it!! It's a lovely light blue, and the spiders and spiderwebs are black. Except for the spiders themselves, there's nothing to suggest Halloween at all! So it would make very nice cover cloths or bobbin rolls. If anyone is interested in having me buy them some, write to me privately. I'd be happy to help out! Clay - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Tess & Prof work on ebay
Yes, I'm afraid so. I did an "advanced search" for items sold by "les_lea" during the month of August. So far, they have sold four sets at $7.99, one at $8.99, two at $18.50, and one at $19.50. Their list of sold items is very repetitive... evidently they have a number of items which they burn to CDs and sell over and over again on the internet - including boat plans, of all things!! So I suppose that after downloading once, getting a return of a couple of hundred dollars a month is enough motivation to keep the unethical slimeballs happy. Clay - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [lace] Tess & Prof work on ebay > Is there any evidence that the piraters have actually sold any of these > CD's. How much money have they actually made? > Devon > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Tess & Prof work on ebay
Similar issue, on a larger scale. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5773907/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Judging lace
>And from a Judge's perspective - this year was a first for me at the State Fair: as >it's open Judging, it was very nice to have some interested spectators view our >Judging at times. Hello everyone, It appears that quite a few Arachnes have judged at various fairs and competitions. What do you look for when judging? I'm sure that lots of us would like to know. We may be able to improve our lace and also have more confidence about entering. Liz Pass Poole, Dorset, UK --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 16/08/2004 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Getting items removed from ebay
If Tess or the professor contacted ebay, I don't know how much success they'd have in stopping the pirates. The MSN articles shows how diifficult it is for large companies to get justice. Ebay says it will remove items which are against its stated policies. I had success in getting two items removed from sale for infringing the rules, but they were both 'used unwashed ladies underwear' and they couldn't argue against removing those. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: copyright for scanning was [lace] Anna magazine
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 'No part of this publication may be reproduced...except for your own personal use' So, the reason I haven't broken copyright law is because I couldn't be bothered? I'm going to have to give myself a strong talking to <<< No, it does allow "for your own personal use". As long as your scan is from your own copy and neither the scan nor the original are given to anybody else, you should be within copyright. >>>but what about patterns from people who were producing patterns upto a short while ago but who now, for whatever reason have stopped and we cannot source their work from any supplier.<<< It would be illegal for you to make a copy. Just because they have stopped doesn't mean they don't hold the right to copy. That lasts, if I remember correctly, for 70 years after their death (that will, of course, vary in other countries), so the heirs can benefit. If you really want a legal copy of a pattern not in print, you need to track down the copyright holder (usually the designer or publisher) and ask permission to copy it. Or find the book/magazine at a used bookstore and buy it. not a copyright (or any other kind of) lawyer, just my understanding; Robin P. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA http://www.pittsburghlace.8m.com/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Haven't a clue!
Hi Clay, I think the prongs on the handle are to release the finished Teneriffe wheel, which would have been worked over the extending tabs. Since Teneriffe, like most lace, is not worked in elastic threads, there has to be a release mechanism. Patty Dowden -Original Message- From: Clay Blackwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 11:26 AM To: Avital; Arachne Subject: Re: [lace] Haven't a clue! I agree with Avital - it appears to be some sort of teneriffe form. But I'm mystified about what that metal "thing" is on the handle. Clay - Original Message - From: "Avital" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Arachne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Haven't a clue! > Hmmm... It could be some kind of Teneriffe or Sol lace form. Karen Bovard, > are you around? What do you think? > > Avital in Maale Adumim > > - Original Message - > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12&item=3743621864&; > rd=1 > > Diana in Northamptonshire > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: lace-digest V2004 #275
> "You do > not have the time to go back and correct", he'd say. "Your children are > at home, crying hungry", he'd say. "Every minute you make lace counts, > as does every minute you spend undoing it", he'd say. > > Tamara P Duvall My mother used to say: "Wo walks fast doesn't see it, who walks slow doesn't look", is day dreaming she meant with the last. But I'm still able of undoing up to 6 times the same part, though if I can invent a work-around that isn't too vissible, I don't hesitate. For example a forgotten twist in a halfstitch part: cut the wrong threads with a tiny knot, pull back both very carefully, reknot while exchanging the threads and pull in place. Jo Falkink - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: [lace] judging lace
HI everyone This will be a rant. I've been judging laces for some years now, at fall fairs.I suppose I'm doing ok - they'd have fired me long ago if I'm not LOL. Howver, I'm more in favour of making lace accessible and do-able for the onlooker - have the competitive part, yes, but have the lace demo, and have-a-go pillow as well (which many already do). At one fair I attend, the judges are anonymous - if known, people aren't supposed to reveal 'who' - personally, I prefer this. I would not like to be in a spotlight, giving my reasons for 1st, 2nd, 3rd - hobby judging is *so* subjective (now if it is priced, and I'm 'judging' from the aspect of being a buyer, I can be as ruthless as I like - but when someone does a piece for pleasure, and offers it in competition, one wants to be as positive and constructive as possible, as a judge. In comparing entries: Who's to say that a piece that was 2nd one year, if judged the next wouldn't have been first; that the advice given (if in public) to the 2nd or 3 prize winners compared to 1st prize would result in any different placing another time (or not). Conversely, in my experience at another fair, the judges are known to the competitors, if they want to know, and often are chosen from names suggested by a hobby group. This does put the 'judge' in a small quandary - I like to be as objective as possible: I examine each piece on its own merit - particularly if there are few in a category before applying its attributes to a scale of excellence, for the purpose of awarding the ribbon. It takes me a long time to judge in order that each piece receive due consideration. When I finally do make the calls, the ribbons are placed and I find out later - from a friendly competitor - 'we only enter so that lacemaking has a presence - the ribbons aren't important to us' - it makes me feel redundant. In this instance, I really think a simple exhibit and enthusiastic lacemaking demo would give 'lace' more of a presence than a few competition entries. Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins www.woodhavenbobbins.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Judging lace
On 23 Aug 2004, at 18:51, Elizabeth Pass wrote: It appears that quite a few Arachnes have judged at various fairs and competitions. What do you look for when judging? I'm sure that lots of us would like to know. We may be able to improve our lace and also have more confidence about entering. Depends to some extent what the organisers ask you to look for. I've only judged a couple of informal lace day competitions and it was a mixture of first impact, presentation, neatness/tension and technical merit. The one I remember most was from someone whom I guessed was fairly inexperienced but her enthusiasm and enjoyment shone through a lovely display of several small and fairly simple pieces assembled together within a picture frame. Perhaps in a more formal situation technical ability would have more weight, and perhaps also strict adherance to the class schedule. Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] RE: Judging
Hi Liz and All, In answer to your question, I use a numerical system. It's not perfect, but I think it's better than simply "I like this one best" (and it seemed to impress a member of the audience this year, too). I have 9 categories that I score by - giving each a score out of 10. They're for things like overall impression, working techniques, mounting, etc. I work on the principle that each piece before me is perfect, and then I work down from there. Even though all of the entries in the class are laid out before me, I take 1 article at a time, and judge it completely, and move on to the next. I try very hard not to compare, but it can happen by the end of 4 hours of judging. Places are awarded based on highest score to lowest, and if some in a class are mounted, and some are not, I tend to through out the mounting score, but will use it for consideration for tie-breakers and higher awards. I have a jewelers loup to examine work closely with. I also like to write comments on the entrant tickets - and always temper a comment with a positive remark. I want to encourage people not discourage them. My biggest gripes are grubby lace - which is most obvious on pale/white/ecru threads, and shouldn't happen when submitted to a Fair/contest, animal hairs caught in the work and fuzzy ends of knots. I don't judge a lace any lower if it is not mounted on a card/backing, but if it is, I like to be able to see the reverse side to see the finishing, so it should be attached in just one corner. This is one rule of the Royal Melbourne Show that I like. They require work to be attached to backing in the top R (or L -can't remember which) corner only. It's uniform through out the lace classes. Hope this helps - this is just how I do it. Cheers, Helen, Aussie in Denver. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: copyright for scanning was [lace] Anna magazine
In a message dated 23/08/2004 19:12:04 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >>>but what about patterns from people who were producing patterns upto a > short while ago but who now, for whatever reason have stopped and we cannot > source their work from any supplier.<<< > > It would be illegal for you to make a copy. Just because they have stopped > doesn't mean they don't hold the right to copy. That lasts, if I remember > correctly, for 70 years after their death (that will, of course, vary in > other countries), so the heirs can benefit. If you really want a legal copy > of a pattern not in print, you need to track down the copyright holder > (usually the designer or publisher) and ask permission to copy it. Or find > the book/magazine at a used bookstore and buy it. > > not a copyright (or any other kind of) lawyer, just my understanding; > Robin P. You see what happens when I can't sleep and the Aussie is on nights - my mind dribbles out through my ears. When I reread my own post the answer was obvious - go make ANOTHER piece of lace and just remember to buy any book or pattern that takes your fancy when you see it and not windge about it 10 years later. I have more patterns than I can make in a life time but it won't stop me buying more. Same with books of all descriptions - the joke in our family is that come the day of judgement I will be in line with two carrier bags of books to read whilst I'm waiting - just in order to pass the time you know!! Regards Liz in London I'm back blogging my latest lace piece - have a look by clicking on the link or going to http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] judging lace
In a message dated 23/08/2004 21:51:08 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > In comparing entries: > Who's to say that a piece that was 2nd one year, if judged the next > wouldn't have been first; that the advice given (if in public) to the 2nd > or 3 prize winners compared to 1st prize would result in any different > placing another time (or not). Interesting here - in the two competitions that I have entered in my life like this, one was for craft, the other was for Model Soldiers (long explaination!!) - both worked on the same principle - a first place would only be awarded if the piece was of a high enough quality. So in a couple of catagories there was only one entry which got 3rd place because it was not 1st place quality. I've also seen where two people got second and no first was awarded. Just a thought!! Regards Liz in London I'm back blogging my latest lace piece - have a look by clicking on the link or going to http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] judging lace
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[lace] Judging Lace
Liz asks: "What do you look for when judging?" Well I have a list of things to look for - tension, finishing ( knotting off and finishing in ends etc) Mounting onto fabric - if it is a mat or handkie, the overall balance of the design ( Rose ground next to ½ stitch is Not good - not enough contrast), Using the correct thickness (or fineness) of thread for the pricking, - these sorts of things. My idea is that every piece of lace entered is perfect - then I try to find which one is more perfect than the othere! - eg. - I look for errors - failing to give a twist to prs being left out, - that sort of thing. I mark each section on the list - tension, mounting etc, out of 10, then just add the scores at the end. I judge each piece separately. - None of this "look at them all, then pick the winner". Each piece has been hand crafted, with the lacemakers time, and love, and deserves to be given full credit/time/respect. from Liz in Melbourne, Oz, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] beading Danish bobbins
Hi, Thank you all for advice on beading my Danish bobbins! The bobbins arrived about a week ago. I tried with wire, but I'm not very good at it (it wouldn't have worked at all without Patty's help), so I'll try beading thread and see if that works better. I also went to a beading store and spent $40 on lots of different colors of seed beads... Weronika -- Weronika Patena Caltech, Pasadena, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] pattern copyright and adaptations
Hi, Yet another question from me! I keep modifying patterns from books, and I'm confused about the copyright status... Here are some examples of what I'm confused about at the moment. If there are some general rules, by all means just tell me those instead of commenting on the examples... If I take an edging pattern I found in a book, and make a bookmark pattern that basically consists of two pieces of that edging, with some changes, is that an adaptation of the pattern, or what is it called? And can I put the pricking on my website? What if I made my pricking by scanning the book pattern and making changes with a graphics program? And what if I drew it by myself without any scanning? Also, are all designs in books automatically copyright? For example, in the Milanese books by Read and Kincaid there are lots of Milanese braid designs - I guess I don't really know, but I was assuming that they didn't personally design all the braids, but that some of them were just traditional Milanese braids. Can I use these braids in my patterns (including "patterns" that are just a straight piece of braid for a bookmark ) without copyright infringement? If I draw diagrams by myself, can I put them on my webpage? Weronika -- Weronika Patena Caltech, Pasadena, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] large bobbins
I'm looking at Danish bobbins on eBay, and I found one seller who has a lot (marine*corps). Most of them are about 5" long though. Are such large bobbins very different to use from normal ones? Would they break thread, and what size would be safe to use them with? Weronika -- Weronika Patena Caltech, Pasadena, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] cross-stitch fabric
I'm looking for cheap linen fabric to put lace edgings on. What's the difference between cross-stitch fabric and normal fabric, and would it make any sense to put lace edgings on it? Weronika -- Weronika Patena Caltech, Pasadena, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Beading Tønder bobbins/ half price books
Two quick notes I saw: "Practical Skills in Bobbin Lace," "Building Torchon Lace Patterns," "The Torchon Lace Workbook," and "100 Traditional Bobbin Lace Patterns" at Halfprice Books today. Up to 3 copies each. If you have any of these stores by you, and you want a copy you might check it out in your area. I have to say, I've seen BL books at Half Price before, and they always seem to sell. Also, just wanted to mention, when I bead Tønder bobbins with seed beads, I put a larger bead after every 4-6 seed beads, and it makes for an attract decoration as well as stopping the bobbins from rolling as much. April Bobbin Art - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] cross-stitch fabric
I'm looking for cheap linen fabric to put lace edgings on. What's the difference between cross-stitch fabric and normal fabric, and would it make any sense to put lace edgings on it? Cross stitch fabric is woven to have exactly the advertised number of threads per inch, with the same number of threads per inch in both directions. Normal fabric isn't woven to those standards, but that doesn't matter if you're not cross-stitching it. Put your lace edging on any fabric you think looks good. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] cross-stitch fabric
I'm really far from a lace expert but I must question your search for 'cheap' linen. I sew, weave, do lace etc and would never consider investing my time in inferior materials. If you plan to spend hours on a lace edge a very small part of the investment is the fabric you plan to trim. I'd vote for using the very best quality of fabric you can find. Your time and work is well worth the investment. Think silk purse and sow's ear. Darlene Mulholland www.darlenem.com I'm looking for cheap linen fabric to put lace edgings on. What's the difference between cross-stitch fabric and normal fabric, and would it make any sense to put lace edgings on it? Weronika -- Weronika Patena Caltech, Pasadena, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 16/08/2004 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Judging lace
On Aug 23, 2004, at 13:51, Elizabeth Pass wrote: It appears that quite a few Arachnes have judged at various fairs and competitions. What do you look for when judging? I almost hesitate to add my bit - everyone else has said it, and some of the ideas I've collected for my own use. All the same, here goes: We do get some directions from the Fair organizers, as to what we're supposed to be looking for (that will vary, from fair to fair, I expect). Some of those do not apply particularly well to *lace* entries, having been designed with *all* the craft entries in mind. We try to ignore those, as much as we're permitted. I think we're somewhat unique (lace judges at the VA Fair), in that we do not have individual score-cards, but go together, as a group (when there is more than one judge... ), discussing merits and demerits, and deciding what comments to put on the entrant's ticket. Then we have one final look over all the entries - yes, we do compare them - before deciding what to award to which entry. If anything; while I agree with Robin on principle - you should apply a scale to what you *have*, not to some imagined ideal - our fair's rules also specify that a 1st-place ribbon will be awarded only if an entry merits it. It has been a "way out" for us in the past, when the entries were truly bad; we could award it a 2nd or a 3rd, while still writing comments which were encouraging enough (we hoped) for the entrant to keep on plowing... Judges in a discussion panel format seems to work for us; we seem to be able to achieve a reasonably good balance between personal appeal and technical detail that way, both in the comments, and in the final decisions. What I look for, personally.. First, the overall impression - is it pretty? Unfortunately, that's the whimsical part of judging crafts, and that's why I like to have someone else (preferably more than one person) to counter-balance it, with a different perception. A nicely-mounted piece is nice, but I prefer one which allows me access to the wrong side, to see how well the hard part (finishing) has been tackled. OTOH, in a collection of motifs, such as someone mentioned, it's the mounting (arrangement) which is likely to make - or lack - a visual impact, so I'm 50-50 on those. I do not like - at all - pieces which have been mounted and are presented under glass; it does not allow me a closer look, which might be an essential element in the final decision re: ribbons... *Clean* and crisp look comes before technical proficiency to most of us, I think; I remember all of us (4?) *agonizing* once about a piece of tatting which was v. fine and difficult and technically faultless, but which had been stained with something that looked like CoolAde. Reluctantly, we didn't give it the first it would have - otherwise - won by a mile. Supplying info on the thread used had been a requirement in our fair for a long time - that way, we can say "try thinner/thicker/less fuzzy" in our comments, sometimes even being able to suggest alternatives. When I had the chance to meddle with the rules, I asked that info about the *origin of the pattern* should be requested (it now is); to me, it matters, whether the pattern is an original, an adaptation, or a staightforward copy/reproduction. IOLI has two separate categories - original pattern and technical proficiency - we do not. I judge an original pattern somewhat less stringently than an adaptation or a copy one, simply because I know - from my own experience - how much effort can go into producing such. So, for me, the overall appeal (and yes, the balance of "thick" and "thin" is one of the main factors) counts far more than the missed twists in individual stitches, when it comes to an original pattern. But an original pattern, which is botched in evey other way, still stinks, and a perfect copy is likely to steal the laurels... :) --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) Healthy US through The No-CARB Diet: no C-heney, no A-shcroft, no R-umsfeld, no B-ush. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: cross-stitch fabric
On Aug 23, 2004, at 20:07, Weronika Patena wrote: I'm looking for cheap linen fabric to put lace edgings on. What's the difference between cross-stitch fabric and normal fabric, and would it make any sense to put lace edgings on it? By the time you get to linen fabric for mounting, it's not going to be cheap... :) If you go for the cross-stitch variety, it's likely to be even more expensive; as Adele has said, that is the fabric which has been woven *specially*, so that the number of both horizontal and the vertical threads is the same per inch. That does have a certain advantage for mounting lace projects - you can match a pinhole to every 3 threads, say - but it's not worth the extra expense (IMO). It's far easier on the pocketbook to *pick a fabric which matches the weight of the lace* the best, and compensate for the (slight) discrepancy between the length and width, by easing in the lace into the "short" sides... --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) Healthy US through The No-CARB Diet: no C-heney, no A-shcroft, no R-umsfeld, no B-ush. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] cross-stitch fabric
One, I don't have a lot of money right now. Two, I've never tried attaching anything to fabric before, so the first pieces probably won't be very nice anyway. Three, cheap on eBay doesn't necessarily mean low-quality (not that I have any idea how to tell the quality of a piece of fabric in any case). That said, I'd try to get better fabric if I had any idea how to tell which one that is. It seems like just trying to buy more expensive fabric instead isn't the best idea, so for now I'll just get some cheap stuff to practice with, and maybe figure out the quality later. By the way, does anyone know if cross-stitch fabric is normally higher or lower quality than other fabric? Weronika On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 08:35:16PM -0700, Darlene Mulholland wrote: > I'm really far from a lace expert but I must question your search for > 'cheap' linen. I sew, weave, do lace etc and would never consider investing > my time in inferior materials. If you plan to spend hours on a lace edge a > very small part of the investment is the fabric you plan to trim. I'd vote > for using the very best quality of fabric you can find. Your time and work > is well worth the investment. > > Think silk purse and sow's ear. > > Darlene Mulholland > www.darlenem.com > > > I'm looking for cheap linen fabric to put lace edgings on. What's the > difference between cross-stitch fabric and normal fabric, and would it make > any sense to put lace edgings on it? -- Weronika Patena Caltech, Pasadena, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: cross-stitch fabric
> By the time you get to linen fabric for mounting, it's not going to be > cheap... :) ?? > If you go for the cross-stitch variety, it's likely to be > even more expensive; as Adele has said, that is the fabric which has > been woven *specially*, so that the number of both horizontal and the > vertical threads is the same per inch. That does have a certain > advantage for mounting lace projects - you can match a pinhole to every > 3 threads, say - but it's not worth the extra expense (IMO). I'm looking on eBay, where you can find everything cheaply, but the vast majority of linen fabric there is the cross-stitch sort. So it'll probably be easier to find cheap cross-stitch fabric than any other sort... > It's far > easier on the pocketbook to *pick a fabric which matches the weight of > the lace* the best, That would require: 1) Having already made the lace 2) Knowing how to match 3) Having a fabric store nearby so that I can actually look at the fabric as opposed to buying it online... Weronika -- Weronika Patena Caltech, Pasadena, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] cheap linen
There may be a source of cheap linen that you wouldn't normally think of...go to your local friendly frame shop. The better frame shops do linen "liners" for oil paintings, sort of the equivalent of a mat that's used for prints etc. Since the linen liners are only on the outer edge of the painting, the middle bit is often discarded because it's too small for any other painting (oils pictures tend to be quite big:) ). I know our local shop used to give the scraps away to anyone that asked, and they were great for needlework or the centres of mats etc. Just ask if they have any linen scraps. Actually the same goes for matting, you'd be surprised at the lovely scraps..suede, silk..just right for small lace :) Sharon, on dull, drizzly Vancouver Island (yippeee) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Spidercloth "raffle"
Time to go dig through the patterns and find > something I like but never thought I could do - and > then learn to do it! > > Chris - Don't mind me, I'm just very scatterbrained > today :) Personally, I think that is a great way to progress. Let us know what you choose. Lorri -who can't wait to do some more Withof - but I had better get the lace on pillow cases for my fair entry. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] cross-stitch fabric
That said, I'd try to get better fabric if I had any idea how to tell which one that is. It seems like just trying to buy more expensive fabric instead isn't the best idea, so for now I'll just get some cheap stuff to practice with, and maybe figure out the quality later. Square inch for square inch, cross stitch fabric is *much* more expensive than dress/shirt fabric. However, you *can* buy a small square of cross stitch fabric while you'll need to buy the full width of dress fabric. Another thing to note - some of the cross stitch fabrics (not all of them) are deliberately loosely-woven. The idea is that you're going to fill in the looseness with your cross stitching. But if you don't use the fabric for that purpose, it can be too loosely woven to look good. It can also be too loosely woven for your edging stitches to look nice. That's the problem with buying online - even with photos you can't be sure of what you're getting until you've got it. Try looking around for your linen, if you can. I got 6 linen cocktail napkins, new, at an antique store for $10.00 total. I once got 54" wide fine handkerchief linen for $5 a yard at an outlet store for a fashion design studio. Being the end of summer, now is a good time to find linen fabric on sale. Stores selling used clothing may also have some linen clothes on cheap. By the way, does anyone know if cross-stitch fabric is normally higher or lower quality than other fabric? It's hard to define what makes quality. They're just different, like peaches and nectarines. For sewing on your lace, the most important thing is what Tamara said about the fabric being the right weight for the lace. Just my 2 cents, Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: pattern copyright and adaptations
On Aug 23, 2004, at 20:20, Weronika Patena wrote:
If I take an edging pattern I found in a book, and make a bookmark
pattern that basically consists of two pieces of that edging, with
some changes, is that an adaptation of the pattern, or what is it
called?
I'm not a lawyer, much less a copyright lawyer, so what I *think* is
not likely to have much weight... But I'd call it an adaptation; the
shape is basically the same (if mirrored).
And can I put the pricking on my website?
I wouldn't; I'd put a photo of the finished lace, and reference the
pattern to the book you got it from.
What if I made my pricking by scanning the book pattern and making
changes with
a graphics program? And what if I drew it by myself without any
scanning?
Makes no diff (IMO) whether you got at your pricking the hard or the
easy way; it's still a copy... :)
Also, are all designs in books automatically copyright? For example,
in the
Milanese books by Read and Kincaid there are lots of Milanese braid
designs - I
guess I don't really know, but I was assuming that they didn't
personally design
all the braids, but that some of them were just traditional Milanese
braids.
*All* of them are traditional designs - Pat Read's daughter clarified
that for us some years ago. But the diagrams, and the lace which
illustrates them (in extensio - the photos of the lace) - as well as
the names - *are* original, and should be copyright protected. I think
that applies to all other books as well, even if all ("all"??? )
they do is reproduce traditional patterns. The *way* the patterns are
reproduced/illustrated/diagrammed might differ, and each will be unique
to the person who'd done the work. The same patterns from the Luton
(UK) Lace Dealer's Sample Book have been re-created, for years, by
various lacemakers; some don't even vary much :) All the same, those
re-creations are the personal property of the re-creator; paid for in
blood, sweat and tears... Same's true about many of the Danish
(Toender) patterns
Can I use these braids in my patterns (including "patterns" that are
just a
straight piece of braid for a bookmark ) without copyright
infringement?
Yes, you can *use* them any way you want (especially if you own the
books - not difficult at the moment, since both are available, in
paperback, as reprint), as long as you don't copy a page, and sell it
on E-Bay And you can use the collection of braids (placed at the
beginning of both books; my personal "dictionary ) to design your
own patterns incorporating them; I've been doing it for years, and,
last year in Ithaca, got Pat Read's imprimatur (indeed, a
*commendation* ) on the practice.
But... When I publish (website or hard copy; makes no difference) a
pattern which uses one of the braids from one of the books, I do not
attach a diagram to it; I refer people to the (relevant) book for it,
unless I've meddled with a braid well past the point where I think a
lesss-experienced lacemaker would be able to reproduce the effect, even
*with* the book in hand; the only braids I diagram are the ones I came
up with myself. And, even when I diagram a "wild detour" from something
I got from the book, I tend to give credit to the original source; if
nothing else, I think it's illuminating to see both the starting point,
and the end of the journey
I draw diagrams by myself, can I put them on my webpage?
IMO, if you *copy* by hand (either via tracing paper or via graph
paper), it's still "no cigar" - the diagram belongs to whoever came up
with it in the first place (and the diagram is, often, the hardest part
of designing a pattern. Except for writing the instructions ); all
you've done is make it hard on yourself... :) If, OTOH, you come
accross a piece of (old) lace which *has no* diagram, reproduce it, and
diagram your thought-path... *Then* the diagram is your property, and
you can do anything you want with it, including publishing it in any
format you want
---
Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)
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Re: [lace] pattern copyright and adaptations
Hi Weronika - you raised a couple of interesting questions. Copyright law recognizes that there is a process by which a copyright image or creation becomes changed, changed again, and further changed, and eventually is no longer the original image or creation at all. Unfortunately there is no hard-and-fast way to decide exactly where "adaptation" stops and "inspired by" begins. If I take an edging pattern I found in a book, and make a bookmark pattern that basically consists of two pieces of that edging, with some changes, is that an adaptation of the pattern, or what is it called? And can I put the pricking on my website? What if I made my pricking by scanning the book pattern and making changes with a graphics program? And what if I drew it by myself without any scanning? Your bookmark sounds like an adaptation to me. If you had looked at a photo of a finished piece and said to yourself "gosh, I bet I could draw a pattern like that" and then did, without using any published pattern as a guide, then that is your creation and the copyright is yours. But, you used the published pattern to help you create your own pricking and so you are adapting the published pattern and you may only use that for yourself. It doesn't matter whether you used the pattern by scanning it or by copying the dots by hand - it's still somebody else's pattern. Putting that pricking onto your website is a violation of copyright because you are basically republishing somebody else's pattern. But, you could put photos of your finished lace onto your website, with a credit to the book. Also, are all designs in books automatically copyright? If the design was done for the book, the designer (might be the author, might be somebody else) holds the copyright. But, if a book shows, for example, historical pieces of lace, nobody gets copyright on that design just because they put it in a book, but there is still a copyright on the *presentation* of that design - the photograph or drawing that appears in the book. So, you couldn't just scan the photo straight out of the book and put it up on your website, for example, but you could take a look at the photo and use the old lace as inspiration for a new pattern you drew yourself, and you would have the copyright on that. For example, in the Milanese books by Read and Kincaid there are lots of Milanese braid designs - I guess I don't really know, but I was assuming that they didn't personally design all the braids, but that some of them were just traditional Milanese braids. Can I use these braids in my patterns (including "patterns" that are just a straight piece of braid for a bookmark ) without copyright infringement? If I draw diagrams by myself, can I put them on my webpage? The difference is between illustrating a simple technique and a design. For example, if you learn from the book how to do the meandering braid, then you are welcome to use the meander design in your own patterns, just as you would be if you learned, say, cloth stitch or half stitch from the book. But, you have to draw your own pattern, even if it is just a straight strip with the meander technique in it. You can't just copy (hand or scanning) the ones from the book. Designs are more complex and may include many techniques - the actual designs, like "Tie Ends" or the "Braid Sampler" are of course copyright. These are just my opinions based on a fair amount of time spent reading up on copyright (and I have a friend who juggles copyright laws for a living). The reason lawyers make lots of money is that there are always fine shadings of meaning and grey areas that may be argued until the cows come home. And, as Stephanie has pointed out, the copyright laws differ depending on which country you're in. But anyway, I hope this helps. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: cross-stitch fabric
On Aug 23, 2004, at 23:57, Weronika Patena wrote: By the time you get to linen fabric for mounting, it's not going to be cheap... :) ?? Cotton is *much* cheaper than linen, 9 times out of 10 (the 10th being what Sharon has suggested - free discards from framing stores - *thanks* Sharon) It's far easier on the pocketbook to *pick a fabric which matches the weight of the lace* the best, That would require: 1) Having already made the lace 2) Knowing how to match 3) Having a fabric store nearby so that I can actually look at the fabric as opposed to buying it online... In that case, I'd *definitely not* buy my fabric on E-Bay, however tempting it might - seemingly (have you figured in the shipping?) - be with a low price... :) Re # 2: If you know zilch about fabrics in general, then the *only* sensible way to cope is to take the finished lace and try to match it to something that'll be pleasing - a lace/fabric "divorce" can be as harrowing as a real-life one. You'll know what's right and what's not if you have both *in hand* (lace is a lot about a tactile experience, even if we're not permited to touch it in the museums and at demos); there's no way you can tell from a screen... Re #1: If you don't even have the lace you might want to mount... It's a waste of time and money to buy the fabric *now*; you don't even know how much of it you might need. I have some mounting fabric (both cotton and linen, in different weights) which has been mouldering for years, because I got it before I knew what I wanted to use it for. Some of it I *have* used - by adapting the patterns and the threads to suit it - but it's not a route I'd recommend in general. The only exception would be handkerchiefs - either pre-embroidered (and spurring ideas for new patterns to match the embroidery) - or plain. They can always be cut down to size, at little expense/waste. Re #3: I *cannot imagine* that there isn't *a* fabric store anywhere near you - you're in the Bay Area of California, not in some place "where the devil says goodnight"... If nothing else, you could go there, and educate yourself about the terms used for fabrics, the better to be able to buy them on-line... And - following Sharon's suggestion - there ought to be framing stores galore; isn't half of the CA population "artistic"? Another source of cheap linen fabric, available to you (as it was to me )... Polish linen is inferior only to Irish linen in quality; ask your parents to send you some - once you know the weight (dress, shirt, handkerchief, etc) and colour you might require. --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) Healthy US through The No-CARB Diet: no C-heney, no A-shcroft, no R-umsfeld, no B-ush. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: cross-stitch fabric
On Tue, Aug 24, 2004 at 01:43:06AM -0400, Tamara P. Duvall wrote: > Cotton is *much* cheaper than linen, 9 times out of 10 (the 10th being > what Sharon has suggested - free discards from framing stores - > *thanks* Sharon) Ah. Well, the only thing I know about matching lace to fabric is that they should be made of the same type of thread, and I've only used linen thread for lace... > Re # 2: If you know zilch about fabrics in general, then the *only* > sensible way to cope is to take the finished lace and try to match it > to something that'll be pleasing - a lace/fabric "divorce" can be as > harrowing as a real-life one. You'll know what's right and what's not > if you have both *in hand* (lace is a lot about a tactile experience, > even if we're not permited to touch it in the museums and at demos); > there's no way you can tell from a screen... Hmm. I'll try. Somehow I can easily imagine myself staring at different combinations and having no idea what to pick... But I'd try if I found a store. > Re #3: I *cannot imagine* that there isn't *a* fabric store anywhere > near you - you're in the Bay Area of California, not in some place > "where the devil says goodnight"... If nothing else, you could go > there, and educate yourself about the terms used for fabrics, the > better to be able to buy them on-line... And - following Sharon's > suggestion - there ought to be framing stores galore; isn't half of the > CA population "artistic"? Lack of car. I'm sure there are fabric stores in the area, but as far as I know (Google, MapQuest etc.) none in Palo Alto, where I can get by bus/bike. And I don't really feel like making Geoffrey (DH? ) drive me around fabric stores, especially since he works all day anyway. > Another source of cheap linen fabric, available to you (as it was to me > )... Polish linen is inferior only to Irish linen in quality; ask > your parents to send you some - once you know the weight (dress, shirt, > handkerchief, etc) and colour you might require. That sounds reasonable... So in that case I can get away without looking and matching it to lace? Weronika -- Weronika Patena Caltech, Pasadena, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Spidercloth "raffle" - the Victorious(?) 7
Hooray! I don't usually "win" these raffles! Many thanks Tamara, I'll probably recieved just as I come out of hospital (Only a minor operation, but not fun!), which will cheer me up no end. Best wishes, Jo in still Sunny Cyprus P.S. Fabulously well done to Kelly Holmes for winning Olympic Gold in the 800m. We British are dead chuffed!! VBG And heartbreaking bad luck to Paula Radcliffe, we're still proud of her! "Tamara P. Duvall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gentle Spiders, The "winners" (wait till you see what you've "won" ) are: 1) Joan Whitfield, Yorkshire, UK - I need your smail address 2) Penny Ostler Williams, UK 3) Bridget Marrow, UK 4) Chris Vail, US, IL 5) Jo Christodoulides, Cyprus 6) Carol Adkinson, UK 7) Marie Parry, Australia Come November, maybe I'll go back to WalMart, trawling for more spidery fabric; by then, it ought to be on sale... :) --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) Healthy US through The No-CARB Diet: no C-heney, no A-shcroft, no R-umsfeld, no B-ush. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
